in that moody sort of way, (I guess, that seems to be the consensus) and therefore gets fangirls to buy tickets. I think that's the reasoning behind most of the male casting, really. Just like it is for most of the female casting. Guys are gonna go 'cause it's a comic book flick and has girls wearing barely nothing, so this is the girl's eye candy to get 'em in the seats.
Practically speaking, they stuck with him 'cause of continuity, and picked him in the first place 'cause all the actors better suited didn't want the job.
In my opinion, that's what ruined comic's in the 90's.
Can I nominate all those "issue" and soap storylines? If I wanted to read about secret love children forced into the child sex trade by getting abducted and being doped up with heroine, well I'd read bad teen lit. I want my superheros to occasionally fight bad guys, not be so caught up in their love triangles it's like "bad guy who?"
If this thing's legit and half decent, it's probably not gonna be any more expensive than whatever deal Dell/Mac give schools, so it may be worth picking up. I'm thinking of private/parochial schools that don't have gov't contracts, but maybe even elementary schools if you throw sugar/a sugar like interface 'cause it may be friendlier to kids than a full size (heavy) laptop.
No, Main and Savitch's "Data structures and other objects using C++". One of those books I just don't regret buying.
On the flip, one of those university pages rec'd a computer architecture book centered on MIPS that I want to sell back. Maybe it was the MIPS, maybe it was my prof, but I found that my x86 Assembly text explained most of it much better.
I suppose you make your own RAM, know exactly how every one of the 500 million transistors on your CPU is wired, and bake your own bread?
Of course. He also built the powersupplies for all his tech toys, and refuses to use NAND IC's* (instead wiring his own.) He can even give the circuit diagram for his computer and trace all the voltage and current in it.
*For every single lab course I've ever had, we always used IC's for logic. I'm not sure you can buy a single nand gate, unless it's an educational kit for kids or something.
I just had to wire up an amp for a lab, and it's not something I plan to do again unless absolutely necessary 'cause there are just too many ways to break the circuit and I often don't need that much control (at the sacrifice of time and efficiency). I play with robots, and the only time I can remember anyone going with a DIY approach was when they were putting together a PIC microcontroller, and even that was only 'cause a store bought would have cost a fortune. (And we still used IC's for that circuit.)
and I go to a public college in New York. Lots of the ones I have aren't very good, and one of my best books is a "Data Structures in C++" book that's not on the list at one (or more, 'could only get to a few pages) of these schools. Book lists don't tell a thing, 'cept maybe what's the flavor of the semester for a certain professor (as he's the one who determines which book to use.)
I'm much more interested in how the entire curricula is structured, 'cause that's what's really important. What are freshman courses, sophmore courses, etc.? And by the way, that info is actually probably public and really easy to find. When I was looking at schools, a lot of 'em published their curriculum on their prospective students page (we even do it in a nice grid format). My school puts it in our bulletin, which is also public, as are many other schools.
Smaller schools, however, continue to muddle the two topics into a single programme, which causes the type of confusion often seen here when discussion "Computer Science vs. The Working World".
Or causes most of the students to have no interest in theory courses, which is what happens at my school. We have a total mishmash of pure theory and applied (like software design and databases) and end up producing a lot of very muddled code monkeys 'cause just about the entire curriculum is electives past sophomore year. (And that's just comp sci, compE is even worse 'cause it's a semi-random assortment of CS and EE courses.)
Part of the mess is that the staff is heavily theory people, so they don't seem all that interested in teaching the more practical courses, and when they do the students just want to write whatever code will get them out of it. I've had all of one class where software/implementation had to be thought about, and most people in the class left it to one person in the group and maybe provided some help (and I happen to love group work 'cause it's important and all, but man does it let people get away with not learning anything). Even capstones tend to be spoonfed and watered down individual projects that can require very little thought.
At my school, software engineering is one of the most hated CS courses (I think the most hated once professors are taken out of the equation.) It's seen too much like management or a liberal arts class or whatever else, and this is by people who don't like theory and just want to get out their and work. It's a problem of too much theory being taught and not explained/applied right away, so students don't learn why it's important.
Mozilla/Firefox should also probably be in the first tier.
That being said, have you even read the other comments? Most posters are complaining 'cause the whole thing is just with a bunch of self-righteous activists wasting some techs time, and in the process pissing off clueless customers who just want to get their toys fixed.
I don't care who the company is, the entire thing is totally counter-productive 'cause it'll annoy FSF sympathetic techs who need to talk to genius bar people, people who don't know who the FSF is, and FSF sympathizers who feel bad for people in category one and two. I can't see this winning the FSF any new fans or support, 'cause even people who support this likely already were FSF fans, only costing them potential fans. So yeah, this is an idiotic move.
For the record? I think the FSF has some noble goals and has a fair claim against Apple. I just think this is not the way to get their message across.
They treat every girl as if she is a "what part is the mouse again?" level newbie even if they have a comp sci PHD.
That's what I call kid glove treatment, which I've gotten my fair share of. And when I complained to the dean about a specific professor doing this, the dean told me I was gravely mistaken. So, trying to give that prof the benefit of the doubt, maybe a combination of sheer lack of exposure to women in tech and the few they meet often not being the most tech savvy* has conditioned many guys to treat most girls like total n00bs. Plus, I've noticed a screwed up sense of chivalry sometimes coming into play.
*Most of the people I've met in comp sci are totally clueless about tech, not just girls. I just think numbers (and girls often being more willing to admit that they're newbies and ask for help) make it seem like more girls are newbies.
No real quotable source - CNN's "Black in America" would back this up for african americans in particular, but in general it's just my own, admittedly anecdotal, experience.
But you can't generalize because CNN's study was looking at African Americans, which means that there's a whole set of social/cultural/economic factors that make the particular trend much more prevalent in the African American community than in any others.
I know cultures where college is expected, so every kid out of high school applies somewhere. Lots of cultures were a girl is expected to just get married and skip the higher ed and I know of one small religious community where it's predominately the girls who go to college (and some form of grad school too.)
Like my posts? Dunno 'bout you, but I dig the karma.
Seriously though, it's the old demographics issue. Something like %10-20 of engineering schools/comp sci programs/hard sciences, etc. are female, and slashdot pulls primarily from those populations(but even then a small subset, say y%, y20.) So y% of 10% means slashdot should only have a couple of girls (and I've seen at least one comment by a girl, excluding me, on almost every post here) just 'cause of distributions.
Most people I have dealt with (both guys and girls) view a tech girl more negatively then they would a tech guy at first and then have no trouble treating them as an equal after they have proven them self.
Are you sure it's not 'cause the girl's typically a newbie, and all newbies tend to be treated quite badly at first by a vocal subset of geeks. I
I dunno, I've never felt like anyone was viewing me negatively 'cause of my gender, more like a sparkly object 'cause yeah the # of girls interested in tech seems tiny. And actually, the sparkly factor may be where the negativity comes in, 'cause I've noticed it sometimes comes with kid glove behavior.
Which means most of your research probably involves human subjects (assuming it involves some new data collection), so of course you have to get approval. I know all about IRB from psych courses for the same reason.
Most comp sci prof rarely run human subjects (or consider that they data they're looking at comes from human subjects) and therefore often don't need to get IRB approval. The only comp sci field that I can think of that regularly would run human subjects is HCI, and even most of those studies could get an IRB waiver pretty easily (assuming they even need oversight.) I think these guys were security's people, so they mostly deal in algorithms. I doubt they thought much beyond the various data collection. Granted, they all should have known better, but I've yet to here a comp sci prof mention IRB (even in courses where it's relevant, like ethics.)
Provided you even have a choice. When I opened my bank account, I was given a pamphlet on online banking. Few days later my default username and password came in the mail.
The only explanation I can see for Apple's recent surge in popularity is their marketing, which is absolutely top notch.
Don't discount the shiny factor. They make very pretty products: other products try to look like macs, not the other way around. This is key to their demographic, which judging by their commercials and the like is the style conscious pretty toy crowd. Most everyone else is gonna buy something that's cheaper but works just as well. (Ipods are one of the few tech toys that have as many (if not more) female users as male ones.)Cool toy factor is important: I know a kid who wasn't even allowed to watch videos, but still wanted a nano just 'cause it was the hot new thing. (I ended up selling her on a mini, which was a pain to track down. Apples release cycle is also fabulous for sales, matching constant new toys with a demographic that doesn't really get the technical improvements and just wants the latest toy.)
Also, the average apple user probably doesn't know (much less care) about what an sdk is. These are people who download whatever games other people have developed and buy unlocked iphones. Proprietary lock in's aren't that bothersome if you don't have any reason to run OSX on anything but a mac (for example), and apple makes all their big profit getters (itunes) work on windows for market share. The biggest complaints I usually here from mac users is about trying to network with windows (or some program not working, but dual booting has gotten rid of that.)
Not a lawyer, but yeah. I was in Potter fandom for a while and remember COPPA coming up in the weirdest instances, and kids coming on the forums and bragging about being 12 (and wondering how they got out of instant ban.) End result was that most of the big sites that allowed kids under 13 already had a legal staff. Here's the actual bill: link
This feature would probably be most useful if you know the person can't be disturbed (ie. they're in a meeting).
a) texts. At least that's what every one I know does when they're not sure if the other person is in class (or they know the other person is in class.)
b)call later if it's not urgent
c)if it is urgent enough, maybe the meeting should be interrupted (texts work great here too, as person can scan and decide if it needs to be dealt with right away)
d)they should have their phone turned off in any meeting where phones aren't allowed, (unless they're waiting for an urgent call anyways-in which silent + looking at phone # should work just as well.)
In most of the languages that anyone actually uses, there's a function to return the length of the array, so that's the easiest. Otherwise, the other AC actually answered: (pythonish, non optimized, psuedocode)
i=0 k=0 end=a[k] While end!=None:
midpt_val=unknown[i]
end=unknown[k]
i+=1
k+=2*i midpt=i
He's one of my best friends, and he doesn't have the people (political) skills to become the boss (he's had a project forked over it) and he wants to go the academia route. Plus he's one of the people that cheat their ways to a degree; I know 'cause my poor textbooks have ended up in almost every boy's bathroom trashcan as a result. (And therefore I must stop lending him my books.)
Actually he's one of the many people that made me horribly disillusioned with the degree. He's great at some stuff, (even been published a few times) but it's all things he learned on his own/would've learned even without school 'cause he's a hardcore EE geek. Which is what I'm mostly finding, that either people get good at it 'cause they've got a passion for it or they stay mediocre. Though one the best compE people I know, a guy who really knows his stuff, once to go to law school 'cause it'll pay better.
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E.G.#1-> I remember telling a bunch of network techs, or rather, first asking them:
"Do you know how to find the midpoint of an array, without knowing the total # of elements"
& not a one of them could...
We had this kid in my research lab who was a fabulous hacker and pretty solid scripter, but didn't know what a for loop was. One of the best programmers I know is self taught (which is the way a lot of people got into the field)). On the flip side, I've got classmates who are so lost on fundamentals that they don't know what an object is (seriously, one professor gives that question on exams and it kills students.)
I've seen far too many people get through their degrees through a combination of cheating, relying on partners, and cutting and pasting code to really trust it. One of the worst programmers I know has a 4.0; he writes hacks that work well enough, but that I wouldn't trust anywhere near production code (mostly 'cause I've seen it fail miserably in production code 'cause he didn't comprehend real time debugging.)
Managers suck ('cept for a select handful the op likes and the op himself) and are therefore responsible for everything that's wrong with the company/tech industry/humanity.
I wonder why the OP lends any credence to having a degree in the field. Going into my fourth year in computer engineering, I've learned it's usually not worth the paper it's printed on.
Still amazes me that people don't have a dedicated "trash" e-mail for stuff like this.
*shrugs* Got the account back when you needed a college account. Since moved the primary contact email to my trash email account. (I've got separate trash accounts for forums, stores, and academia.)
Which would automatically kill the whole "blind" test. The essays are designed to be personal, and therefore likely will (and probably should) give away some information. Hell my best was on religion, and my worst could have passed a blind test. Then there's the interview, which is still recommended by some schools and is probably gonna have identifying stuff in the write ups.
Most of the male engineering students I've known would have loved to have more women in their classes.
So would the females. I've had a couple of classes where I've been the only girl (or it was a 3:30 ratio), and it's kind of uncomfortable for like a minute. (Not so bad 'cause it also happened in high school, yeah for compsci classes.) But I agree that quotas are just not a good way to go about it, 'cause I really don't want to have to work 4 times as hard as anyone else just to prove that I didn't make it through just 'cause of a stupid quota.
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in that moody sort of way, (I guess, that seems to be the consensus) and therefore gets fangirls to buy tickets. I think that's the reasoning behind most of the male casting, really. Just like it is for most of the female casting. Guys are gonna go 'cause it's a comic book flick and has girls wearing barely nothing, so this is the girl's eye candy to get 'em in the seats.
Practically speaking, they stuck with him 'cause of continuity, and picked him in the first place 'cause all the actors better suited didn't want the job.
In my opinion, that's what ruined comic's in the 90's.
Can I nominate all those "issue" and soap storylines? If I wanted to read about secret love children forced into the child sex trade by getting abducted and being doped up with heroine, well I'd read bad teen lit. I want my superheros to occasionally fight bad guys, not be so caught up in their love triangles it's like "bad guy who?"
If this thing's legit and half decent, it's probably not gonna be any more expensive than whatever deal Dell/Mac give schools, so it may be worth picking up. I'm thinking of private/parochial schools that don't have gov't contracts, but maybe even elementary schools if you throw sugar/a sugar like interface 'cause it may be friendlier to kids than a full size (heavy) laptop.
No, Main and Savitch's "Data structures and other objects using C++". One of those books I just don't regret buying.
On the flip, one of those university pages rec'd a computer architecture book centered on MIPS that I want to sell back. Maybe it was the MIPS, maybe it was my prof, but I found that my x86 Assembly text explained most of it much better.
I suppose you make your own RAM, know exactly how every one of the 500 million transistors on your CPU is wired, and bake your own bread?
Of course. He also built the powersupplies for all his tech toys, and refuses to use NAND IC's* (instead wiring his own.) He can even give the circuit diagram for his computer and trace all the voltage and current in it.
*For every single lab course I've ever had, we always used IC's for logic. I'm not sure you can buy a single nand gate, unless it's an educational kit for kids or something.
I just had to wire up an amp for a lab, and it's not something I plan to do again unless absolutely necessary 'cause there are just too many ways to break the circuit and I often don't need that much control (at the sacrifice of time and efficiency). I play with robots, and the only time I can remember anyone going with a DIY approach was when they were putting together a PIC microcontroller, and even that was only 'cause a store bought would have cost a fortune. (And we still used IC's for that circuit.)
and I go to a public college in New York. Lots of the ones I have aren't very good, and one of my best books is a "Data Structures in C++" book that's not on the list at one (or more, 'could only get to a few pages) of these schools. Book lists don't tell a thing, 'cept maybe what's the flavor of the semester for a certain professor (as he's the one who determines which book to use.)
I'm much more interested in how the entire curricula is structured, 'cause that's what's really important. What are freshman courses, sophmore courses, etc.? And by the way, that info is actually probably public and really easy to find. When I was looking at schools, a lot of 'em published their curriculum on their prospective students page (we even do it in a nice grid format). My school puts it in our bulletin, which is also public, as are many other schools.
Smaller schools, however, continue to muddle the two topics into a single programme, which causes the type of confusion often seen here when discussion "Computer Science vs. The Working World".
Or causes most of the students to have no interest in theory courses, which is what happens at my school. We have a total mishmash of pure theory and applied (like software design and databases) and end up producing a lot of very muddled code monkeys 'cause just about the entire curriculum is electives past sophomore year. (And that's just comp sci, compE is even worse 'cause it's a semi-random assortment of CS and EE courses.)
Part of the mess is that the staff is heavily theory people, so they don't seem all that interested in teaching the more practical courses, and when they do the students just want to write whatever code will get them out of it. I've had all of one class where software/implementation had to be thought about, and most people in the class left it to one person in the group and maybe provided some help (and I happen to love group work 'cause it's important and all, but man does it let people get away with not learning anything). Even capstones tend to be spoonfed and watered down individual projects that can require very little thought.
At my school, software engineering is one of the most hated CS courses (I think the most hated once professors are taken out of the equation.) It's seen too much like management or a liberal arts class or whatever else, and this is by people who don't like theory and just want to get out their and work. It's a problem of too much theory being taught and not explained/applied right away, so students don't learn why it's important.
Mozilla/Firefox should also probably be in the first tier.
That being said, have you even read the other comments? Most posters are complaining 'cause the whole thing is just with a bunch of self-righteous activists wasting some techs time, and in the process pissing off clueless customers who just want to get their toys fixed.
I don't care who the company is, the entire thing is totally counter-productive 'cause it'll annoy FSF sympathetic techs who need to talk to genius bar people, people who don't know who the FSF is, and FSF sympathizers who feel bad for people in category one and two. I can't see this winning the FSF any new fans or support, 'cause even people who support this likely already were FSF fans, only costing them potential fans. So yeah, this is an idiotic move.
For the record? I think the FSF has some noble goals and has a fair claim against Apple. I just think this is not the way to get their message across.
frighten away potential wives
and potential boyfriends
They treat every girl as if she is a "what part is the mouse again?" level newbie even if they have a comp sci PHD.
That's what I call kid glove treatment, which I've gotten my fair share of. And when I complained to the dean about a specific professor doing this, the dean told me I was gravely mistaken. So, trying to give that prof the benefit of the doubt, maybe a combination of sheer lack of exposure to women in tech and the few they meet often not being the most tech savvy* has conditioned many guys to treat most girls like total n00bs. Plus, I've noticed a screwed up sense of chivalry sometimes coming into play.
*Most of the people I've met in comp sci are totally clueless about tech, not just girls. I just think numbers (and girls often being more willing to admit that they're newbies and ask for help) make it seem like more girls are newbies.
No real quotable source - CNN's "Black in America" would back this up for african americans in particular, but in general it's just my own, admittedly anecdotal, experience.
But you can't generalize because CNN's study was looking at African Americans, which means that there's a whole set of social/cultural/economic factors that make the particular trend much more prevalent in the African American community than in any others.
I know cultures where college is expected, so every kid out of high school applies somewhere. Lots of cultures were a girl is expected to just get married and skip the higher ed and I know of one small religious community where it's predominately the girls who go to college (and some form of grad school too.)
Like my posts? Dunno 'bout you, but I dig the karma.
Seriously though, it's the old demographics issue. Something like %10-20 of engineering schools/comp sci programs/hard sciences, etc. are female, and slashdot pulls primarily from those populations(but even then a small subset, say y%, y20.) So y% of 10% means slashdot should only have a couple of girls (and I've seen at least one comment by a girl, excluding me, on almost every post here) just 'cause of distributions.
Most people I have dealt with (both guys and girls) view a tech girl more negatively then they would a tech guy at first and then have no trouble treating them as an equal after they have proven them self.
Are you sure it's not 'cause the girl's typically a newbie, and all newbies tend to be treated quite badly at first by a vocal subset of geeks. I
I dunno, I've never felt like anyone was viewing me negatively 'cause of my gender, more like a sparkly object 'cause yeah the # of girls interested in tech seems tiny. And actually, the sparkly factor may be where the negativity comes in, 'cause I've noticed it sometimes comes with kid glove behavior.
As a social science undergrad,
Which means most of your research probably involves human subjects (assuming it involves some new data collection), so of course you have to get approval. I know all about IRB from psych courses for the same reason.
Most comp sci prof rarely run human subjects (or consider that they data they're looking at comes from human subjects) and therefore often don't need to get IRB approval. The only comp sci field that I can think of that regularly would run human subjects is HCI, and even most of those studies could get an IRB waiver pretty easily (assuming they even need oversight.) I think these guys were security's people, so they mostly deal in algorithms. I doubt they thought much beyond the various data collection. Granted, they all should have known better, but I've yet to here a comp sci prof mention IRB (even in courses where it's relevant, like ethics.)
Provided you even have a choice. When I opened my bank account, I was given a pamphlet on online banking. Few days later my default username and password came in the mail.
The only explanation I can see for Apple's recent surge in popularity is their marketing, which is absolutely top notch.
Don't discount the shiny factor. They make very pretty products: other products try to look like macs, not the other way around. This is key to their demographic, which judging by their commercials and the like is the style conscious pretty toy crowd. Most everyone else is gonna buy something that's cheaper but works just as well. (Ipods are one of the few tech toys that have as many (if not more) female users as male ones.)Cool toy factor is important: I know a kid who wasn't even allowed to watch videos, but still wanted a nano just 'cause it was the hot new thing. (I ended up selling her on a mini, which was a pain to track down. Apples release cycle is also fabulous for sales, matching constant new toys with a demographic that doesn't really get the technical improvements and just wants the latest toy.)
Also, the average apple user probably doesn't know (much less care) about what an sdk is. These are people who download whatever games other people have developed and buy unlocked iphones. Proprietary lock in's aren't that bothersome if you don't have any reason to run OSX on anything but a mac (for example), and apple makes all their big profit getters (itunes) work on windows for market share. The biggest complaints I usually here from mac users is about trying to network with windows (or some program not working, but dual booting has gotten rid of that.)
Oops, never mind, but yeah the law that affected you was COPPA (Child Online Privacy Protecion Act), not COPA (Child Online Protection Act).
wiki has a good write up.
Not a lawyer, but yeah. I was in Potter fandom for a while and remember COPPA coming up in the weirdest instances, and kids coming on the forums and bragging about being 12 (and wondering how they got out of instant ban.) End result was that most of the big sites that allowed kids under 13 already had a legal staff. Here's the actual bill: link
This feature would probably be most useful if you know the person can't be disturbed (ie. they're in a meeting).
a) texts. At least that's what every one I know does when they're not sure if the other person is in class (or they know the other person is in class.)
b)call later if it's not urgent
c)if it is urgent enough, maybe the meeting should be interrupted (texts work great here too, as person can scan and decide if it needs to be dealt with right away)
d)they should have their phone turned off in any meeting where phones aren't allowed, (unless they're waiting for an urgent call anyways-in which silent + looking at phone # should work just as well.)
In most of the languages that anyone actually uses, there's a function to return the length of the array, so that's the easiest. Otherwise, the other AC actually answered: (pythonish, non optimized, psuedocode)
i=0
k=0
end=a[k]
While end!=None:
midpt_val=unknown[i]
end=unknown[k]
i+=1
k+=2*i
midpt=i
He's one of my best friends, and he doesn't have the people (political) skills to become the boss (he's had a project forked over it) and he wants to go the academia route. Plus he's one of the people that cheat their ways to a degree; I know 'cause my poor textbooks have ended up in almost every boy's bathroom trashcan as a result. (And therefore I must stop lending him my books.)
Actually he's one of the many people that made me horribly disillusioned with the degree. He's great at some stuff, (even been published a few times) but it's all things he learned on his own/would've learned even without school 'cause he's a hardcore EE geek. Which is what I'm mostly finding, that either people get good at it 'cause they've got a passion for it or they stay mediocre. Though one the best compE people I know, a guy who really knows his stuff, once to go to law school 'cause it'll pay better.
E.G.#1-> I remember telling a bunch of network techs, or rather, first asking them:
"Do you know how to find the midpoint of an array, without knowing the total # of elements"
& not a one of them could...
We had this kid in my research lab who was a fabulous hacker and pretty solid scripter, but didn't know what a for loop was. One of the best programmers I know is self taught (which is the way a lot of people got into the field)). On the flip side, I've got classmates who are so lost on fundamentals that they don't know what an object is (seriously, one professor gives that question on exams and it kills students.)
I've seen far too many people get through their degrees through a combination of cheating, relying on partners, and cutting and pasting code to really trust it. One of the worst programmers I know has a 4.0; he writes hacks that work well enough, but that I wouldn't trust anywhere near production code (mostly 'cause I've seen it fail miserably in production code 'cause he didn't comprehend real time debugging.)
Managers suck ('cept for a select handful the op likes and the op himself) and are therefore responsible for everything that's wrong with the company/tech industry/humanity.
I wonder why the OP lends any credence to having a degree in the field. Going into my fourth year in computer engineering, I've learned it's usually not worth the paper it's printed on.
Still amazes me that people don't have a dedicated "trash" e-mail for stuff like this.
*shrugs* Got the account back when you needed a college account. Since moved the primary contact email to my trash email account. (I've got separate trash accounts for forums, stores, and academia.)
any essays the applicant may have included
Which would automatically kill the whole "blind" test. The essays are designed to be personal, and therefore likely will (and probably should) give away some information. Hell my best was on religion, and my worst could have passed a blind test. Then there's the interview, which is still recommended by some schools and is probably gonna have identifying stuff in the write ups.
Most of the male engineering students I've known would have loved to have more women in their classes.
So would the females. I've had a couple of classes where I've been the only girl (or it was a 3:30 ratio), and it's kind of uncomfortable for like a minute. (Not so bad 'cause it also happened in high school, yeah for compsci classes.) But I agree that quotas are just not a good way to go about it, 'cause I really don't want to have to work 4 times as hard as anyone else just to prove that I didn't make it through just 'cause of a stupid quota.