People who don't "participate" either live off their own substinence or, y'know, earn their living with a job, dealing with others, y'know. No such thing as a mooch that deals fairly and squarely with other people economically.
But, to demand people work for you, for free, out of some twisted sense of "duty"... who is the mooch there?
The whole premise of your thought is that others have the right to order you around and to make you work for their causes, and not the ones you personally chose to work for.
All of these positions require you deal with people new people. And there's different degrees to any type of phobia.
You say it promotes "civic responsibility", but that's very vague, and very personally value-laden. Who are you to force your values on others?
Maybe it is a good idea in spirit. But forcing people to do labor? Might as well have them work at Burger King for free. That's basically what this community service amounts to.
Easy. Because the Democratic Left get to decide what's worthwhile and what serves the community. Basically, it's a brilliant plan to force people to serve their personal moral agendas.
Both interpretations are likely; which one is true, is unclear. It's true that it may refer to the 100 hours for $4,000; but it's also true that to attend college the money and hour program is mandatory. Obama hasn't said; he certainly hasn't talked about this all the much and has remained vague.
What happened to "ask not what your country can do for you?"
Oh, that great JFK quote: Don't ask what your government can do for you, ask what you can do for your government. Is that what we meant? Is that what you mean?
Government is there to protect us. Not to herd us around because of some man's moral crusade.
Math class is not analogous to labor. You might as well argue that kids being forced into working at Burger King by the local government is not involuntary servitude.
No, psychologically, it was very distressing for me. Not just "awkward" (good choice of words, though, trying to soften up what I said to make it easier to attack) but to the point where I could barely function.
It might be a surprise to you but not everyone is an extroverted person or is Obama's great vision for them. But the liberal vision (and in many aspects our Republican one, too) has always been to form people into one mold, or at least, that has always been what their ideas would lead to. My example is just one of them.
Maybe community service is a good idea, though. For you. But I am not you, and you are not me. What gives you and Barack Obama the right to tell me how I'm supposed to live?
Bullshit. I doubt you get much more of an understanding than flipping burgers or even moreso manning the registers. Meet new people, deal with people, maybe make small talk. Doesn't sound too different from picking up garbage or pouring soup into empty bowls for the homeless.
Maybe your vision of life is following "dear leader" but not I.
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So is Obama, because he's not educated in economics anymore than most of us are.
If worse comes to worse we can crash together and laugh behind a campfire over a great hill overlooking the cities, watching everything burn.
People who don't "participate" either live off their own substinence or, y'know, earn their living with a job, dealing with others, y'know. No such thing as a mooch that deals fairly and squarely with other people economically.
But, to demand people work for you, for free, out of some twisted sense of "duty"... who is the mooch there?
The whole premise of your thought is that others have the right to order you around and to make you work for their causes, and not the ones you personally chose to work for.
Getting a job at Burger King is a learning experience too. Might as well give THE CORPORATIONS free labor to deal with, eh?
Bingo.
How kind of them to be so generous with their hard-earned money.
All of these positions require you deal with people new people. And there's different degrees to any type of phobia.
You say it promotes "civic responsibility", but that's very vague, and very personally value-laden. Who are you to force your values on others?
Maybe it is a good idea in spirit. But forcing people to do labor? Might as well have them work at Burger King for free. That's basically what this community service amounts to.
Easy. Because the Democratic Left get to decide what's worthwhile and what serves the community. Basically, it's a brilliant plan to force people to serve their personal moral agendas.
You might like the spirit of the idea, but what gives you the right to demand it of anyone?
Yes, because being employed at the soup kitchen is so much different from working at Taco Bell.
People that don't have Kool-Aid stains on their upper lip.
That's a statement of purpose; it's not enumerating any powers of the government.
What makes you think democracy is even real freedom? The "people" may be free, but the individuals are not. That is not really freedom.
Both interpretations are likely; which one is true, is unclear. It's true that it may refer to the 100 hours for $4,000; but it's also true that to attend college the money and hour program is mandatory. Obama hasn't said; he certainly hasn't talked about this all the much and has remained vague.
What happened to "ask not what your country can do for you?"
Oh, that great JFK quote: Don't ask what your government can do for you, ask what you can do for your government. Is that what we meant? Is that what you mean?
Government is there to protect us. Not to herd us around because of some man's moral crusade.
Math class is not analogous to labor. You might as well argue that kids being forced into working at Burger King by the local government is not involuntary servitude.
How far we have come, from government existing to serve the people, to the people existing to serve the government.
No, psychologically, it was very distressing for me. Not just "awkward" (good choice of words, though, trying to soften up what I said to make it easier to attack) but to the point where I could barely function.
It might be a surprise to you but not everyone is an extroverted person or is Obama's great vision for them. But the liberal vision (and in many aspects our Republican one, too) has always been to form people into one mold, or at least, that has always been what their ideas would lead to. My example is just one of them.
Maybe community service is a good idea, though. For you. But I am not you, and you are not me. What gives you and Barack Obama the right to tell me how I'm supposed to live?
Hah. Oh, how I agree with you. Wonder why the LP skipped out on nominating a libertarian candidate?
Forcing people to do labor with people you're literally afraid of isn't a traditional form of therapy.
Bullshit. I doubt you get much more of an understanding than flipping burgers or even moreso manning the registers. Meet new people, deal with people, maybe make small talk. Doesn't sound too different from picking up garbage or pouring soup into empty bowls for the homeless.
Maybe your vision of life is following "dear leader" but not I.
Quite true. He didn't specify what kind of change. Caveat emptor.
Math class is part of the education. It is not "work" in the sense of labor. Community service is.
The GOVERNMENT pays for it? How charitable of them; giving me some of their hard-earned money.