Just wanted to say I understand your need in trying something else. I wanted some change a few monthes ago. I tried dragonflyBSD for a few weeks. The system was way too experimental and has too much out-of-date documentation to be used by someone that don't want to do OS level programming. I finnlay reverted back to debian. But I was very happy of having tried something else.
I might give a try to freebsd in the next monthes. Perhaps through debian/kfreebsd. Or perhaps I'll give a look at hurd. So keep us posted!:)
You cannot see how an operating system performs in a virtual environment. Mainly you see none of the why-the-hell-this-driver-is-not-working issues which I believe is the most difficult point in OSes.
But you need network to do that. I was in bombfuck cevennes last year in a workshop. We barely had a landline so let's forget about mobile phones or internet connexion.
Even if you have network, if it is not a high bandwidth, low latency link, you are screwed for most tasks. I am in Ohio,USA right now connecting to a university gateway in France. The latency is too high to type text. I am going to have constraint through the network. With a classical netbook I won't have those issues.
Why try to build usable tools over web applications when we already have a perfect solution in netbooks?
Netbooks are intended to be small to be carried easily. If people use them only to check their mail and surf the web then "good for them". The question is not "will some people use them ?" but "will I use it ?". I am sure some people will find them useful; they are just not to me.
I see them as the smallest/lightest machines featuring a usable keyboard so I can do my typing activities on the go either on a car, in a plane, in a train, in a hotel room all over the world. In bombfuck, I don't think I will have an internet connexion.
IDL is almost slow on my computer. I can not even imagine what it will be across the network. When you are having a look at GB of data you need them locally. The results of latex compilation can easily be MB large which is probably going to take one or two seconds to transfer I can have it instantly if the compilation is local. What if the network breaks for 10 minutes. It happens. Will I have to take a 10 minutes break ?
As for free-as-in-speech software, aren't Android and Chrome OS both open source?
Sure the software is free-as-in-speech. But can I update the machine to get my flavor of it ? Certainly not. Then I don't care I can have the source code since it is useless.
Oh, and by the way, Chromium is released under the BSD license [google.com], which is free-as-in-speech.
The machine are supposed to be locked to prevent custom OS and to have no hard drive. No hard drive implies no data which implies useless in offline mode.
My favorite game is an MMORPG. [...]Even other games[...]When I'm developing things locally in Visual Studio[...]
And how do you do that through a webbrowser ? The machine is supposed to only run a webbrowser...
If I need to update my blog or do IM, I need a real keyboard. If I need a real keyboard, than I prefer using a netbook that can work offline. Because I am going to be offline some times and it would be a waste to have 2 netbooks one for being online and one for being offline. I can have a powered-by-free-software that I can update/tune to my needs so I won't use google's one for that
If the machine is intended to be a portable internet device then nokia has really good hardware and I am actually using a N810. I am enjoying it both online and offline. I am enjoying being able to write software for it and get a full unix compatibility. I even have a very compatible webbrowser for web applications. So I am not going to use a google-locked platform.
You want total control over all your software on a free machine?
I just say I prefer a free-as-in-speech machine over free-as-in-beer because my freedom worth the 300 bucks I will put in it.
I suspect a tool like this would be perfect for older people who just want to e-mail their kids/grandkids
Those people are not me. The question is "would you use such a machine ?" and my answer is "no, I won't". If the question was "will some people use it ?", then the answer is "sure, a lot of people will".
I won't use a machine which is useless without network. I don't like to rely on an internet connection because some times it breaks. I want to be able to store files on my computer and use it on the plane. And I want to be able to do it off-line. I want all my tools locally, I need LaTeX to work, I need a compiler, I need scientific visualization tools.
I believe in free-as-in-speech software and I don't see how GoogleOS really fits into it.
This is ridiculous, you should not be paid less because you like the job you do. I don't think postdoc got any benefit in term of housing. I am currently post doc in Ohio-State University and I have almost no benefit. A post doc has to pay for exactly the same things as other people do.
of course you can. the ssh support was added on the top of rsync. It originally used the rsyncd daemon which I believe do not use encryption. (similar to rlogin for authentification)
I think I had a knoppix which did exactly : "boot and launch firefox". I don't see the point of developping an full OS when configuring a linux distributin might be enough.
Well, It does not work that well. Indentation based language are difficult to use with copy/paste. Sure you should be careful when you do copy/paste anyway, but it may add problem.
The point of GP is that Go is claimed to be a system programming language. Then if you can not write an OS with your system programming language then it is not a system programming language.
But I suspect the Go team was not thinking of that when they characterized it as "system".
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I agree it's brave. It's a bit like calling the FDA to make sure your restaurant is clean enough.
I think most website waits for an acknoledgment from the ad service to display the content of the page.
I can't believe that. FreeBSD is so good you'll lose all your friends!! I'd like to try it, but I already lost them trying Hurd....
Just wanted to say I understand your need in trying something else. I wanted some change a few monthes ago. I tried dragonflyBSD for a few weeks. The system was way too experimental and has too much out-of-date documentation to be used by someone that don't want to do OS level programming. I finnlay reverted back to debian. But I was very happy of having tried something else.
I might give a try to freebsd in the next monthes. Perhaps through debian/kfreebsd. Or perhaps I'll give a look at hurd. So keep us posted! :)
You cannot see how an operating system performs in a virtual environment. Mainly you see none of the why-the-hell-this-driver-is-not-working issues which I believe is the most difficult point in OSes.
But you need network to do that. I was in bombfuck cevennes last year in a workshop. We barely had a landline so let's forget about mobile phones or internet connexion.
Even if you have network, if it is not a high bandwidth, low latency link, you are screwed for most tasks. I am in Ohio,USA right now connecting to a university gateway in France. The latency is too high to type text. I am going to have constraint through the network. With a classical netbook I won't have those issues.
Why try to build usable tools over web applications when we already have a perfect solution in netbooks?
Netbooks are intended to be small to be carried easily. If people use them only to check their mail and surf the web then "good for them". The question is not "will some people use them ?" but "will I use it ?". I am sure some people will find them useful; they are just not to me.
I see them as the smallest/lightest machines featuring a usable keyboard so I can do my typing activities on the go either on a car, in a plane, in a train, in a hotel room all over the world. In bombfuck, I don't think I will have an internet connexion.
IDL requires a good graphics card to do the rendering otherwise it is slow. Have you ever run a opengl application over the network ? it really sucks.
IDL is almost slow on my computer. I can not even imagine what it will be across the network. When you are having a look at GB of data you need them locally. The results of latex compilation can easily be MB large which is probably going to take one or two seconds to transfer I can have it instantly if the compilation is local. What if the network breaks for 10 minutes. It happens. Will I have to take a 10 minutes break ?
As for free-as-in-speech software, aren't Android and Chrome OS both open source?
Sure the software is free-as-in-speech. But can I update the machine to get my flavor of it ? Certainly not. Then I don't care I can have the source code since it is useless.
The question never was "will other people use it ?" :)
Oh, and by the way, Chromium is released under the BSD license [google.com], which is free-as-in-speech.
The machine are supposed to be locked to prevent custom OS and to have no hard drive. No hard drive implies no data which implies useless in offline mode.
My favorite game is an MMORPG. [...]Even other games[...]When I'm developing things locally in Visual Studio[...]
And how do you do that through a webbrowser ? The machine is supposed to only run a webbrowser...
If I need to update my blog or do IM, I need a real keyboard. If I need a real keyboard, than I prefer using a netbook that can work offline. Because I am going to be offline some times and it would be a waste to have 2 netbooks one for being online and one for being offline. I can have a powered-by-free-software that I can update/tune to my needs so I won't use google's one for that
If the machine is intended to be a portable internet device then nokia has really good hardware and I am actually using a N810. I am enjoying it both online and offline. I am enjoying being able to write software for it and get a full unix compatibility. I even have a very compatible webbrowser for web applications. So I am not going to use a google-locked platform.
You want total control over all your software on a free machine?
I just say I prefer a free-as-in-speech machine over free-as-in-beer because my freedom worth the 300 bucks I will put in it.
I suspect a tool like this would be perfect for older people who just want to e-mail their kids/grandkids
Those people are not me. The question is "would you use such a machine ?" and my answer is "no, I won't". If the question was "will some people use it ?", then the answer is "sure, a lot of people will".
I won't use a machine which is useless without network. I don't like to rely on an internet connection because some times it breaks. I want to be able to store files on my computer and use it on the plane. And I want to be able to do it off-line. I want all my tools locally, I need LaTeX to work, I need a compiler, I need scientific visualization tools.
I believe in free-as-in-speech software and I don't see how GoogleOS really fits into it.
There is nothing to do in London
This is ridiculous, you should not be paid less because you like the job you do. I don't think postdoc got any benefit in term of housing. I am currently post doc in Ohio-State University and I have almost no benefit. A post doc has to pay for exactly the same things as other people do.
Paris subway is quite busy, you are going to smash into someone at some point. I am not even talking about the subway doors closing on you...
exactly, my gf used to put a eeepc in her purse and run in the crowd to get her subway. I am not surprised if it breaks quickly.
of course you can. the ssh support was added on the top of rsync. It originally used the rsyncd daemon which I believe do not use encryption. (similar to rlogin for authentification)
I think I had a knoppix which did exactly : "boot and launch firefox". I don't see the point of developping an full OS when configuring a linux distributin might be enough.
i didnot got it at first. then I "$ dict gimp" and now I understand.
I thought it would be funny to run "aptitude show gspot" and get a "gspot not found". but it is not...
$ aptitude show gspot
Package: gspot
State: not installed
Version: 0.1.5-1
Priority: optional
Section: gnome
Maintainer: Rogerio Reis
Uncompressed Size: 188k
Depends: libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.18), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.15.0), libbonoboui2-0
(>= 2.15.1), libc6 (>= 2.6.1-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.4.0), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libgconf2-4
(>= 2.13.5), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.6.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.14.0), libgnome-keyring0 (>= 0.8),
libgnome2-0 (>= 2.17.3), libgnomecanvas2-0 (>= 2.11.1), libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.17.1),
libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 1:2.17.90), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), liborbit2 (>=
1:2.14.1), libpanel-applet2-0 (>= 2.14), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.18.2), libpopt0 (>= 1.10),
libsm6, libx11-6, libxcomposite1 (>= 1:0.3-1), libxcursor1 (> 1.1.2), libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1),
libxext6, libxfixes3 (>= 1:4.0.1), libxi6, libxinerama1, libxml2 (>= 2.6.29), libxrandr2 (>=
2:1.2.0), libxrender1
Description: A GNOME applet to query the Net
A Gnome applet for Searching the web in a Practical, Outlined and Tidy way. This uses the text in the
copy/paste clipboard and uses it as search string for querying web-search engines, dictionaries, web
databases, etc.
I think the article you cite criticize the use of ridiculously long url such as http://www.google.com/search?q=slashdot&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a which is not even that bad. If you want short URL to save bandwidth you can change the URL for the one you manage and run a short url service yourself for the one you do not manage.
Well, It does not work that well. Indentation based language are difficult to use with copy/paste. Sure you should be careful when you do copy/paste anyway, but it may add problem.
The point of GP is that Go is claimed to be a system programming language. Then if you can not write an OS with your system programming language then it is not a system programming language. But I suspect the Go team was not thinking of that when they characterized it as "system".
I usually prefer w3m for those things (in particular to read the HTML mails in mutt). but lynx get the job done as well.