well, it clearly depends on where you are. I am living in the US for 6 month and I grew up in France. I would say that Firefox has a huge market share in France (To give an idea, I would say something like 70% of computer I looked at used firefox). I was petrified when I saw Firefox was almost unknown in the US.
certainly people will have a different experience, but I really believe there is a difference. Have other people noticed something similar ?
As far as I understood for the team twizer blog, bootmii can not be easily removed once installed. Of course not having bannerbomb to install it first would make things more difficult.
I would address these, but that would get even more Offtopic than I already am. Do you wish to continue to discuss this line of questioning in my journal?
yeah, why not. We are clearly off-topic.:)
I am no web developper, but I believe javascript can generate clicks on a page, can't it ?
I can install applications on the hardware I own would it be a wii (and yes, homebrew channel/bootmii is legal even if nintendo does not like it)
Who would fund development of non-code components of, say, a Free video game?
It is not the point. The point was interoperability. If I can run any code I want, I will probably be able to run an abstraction layer to run this not-a-web-application on my wii.
By the way there are nice games or application on the wii. Allmost all classical free games run, from the classical doom or quake (very fun played with a wiimote/nunchuk), scumvm, open tyrian. I haven't tried battle for wesnoth, supertux or tremulous. Globulation should be difficult to play with a wiimote. But step mania is definitely great. I believe I also am going to port magicor.
And need access to the file system since you can send files over the network using web based applications.
Only if the end user clicks "Browse..." and "Upload" in an HTML form.
I am no web developper, but I believe javascript can generate clicks on a page, can't it ?
Without trolling I would say that if you can not install application on a machine, then the machine is useless. So I don't use them (so I didn't though about this point).
So you'd call WebTV and the major video game consoles useless, and you'd prefer PCs. But are there any devices that 1. can use an SDTV as a monitor, 2. come ready to run (i.e. not assembled from parts from newegg), and 3. are not useless? Major label PCs fail 1, home-built PCs fail 2, and game consoles fail 3.
I can install applications on the hardware I own would it be a wii (and yes, homebrew channel/bootmii is legal even if nintendo does not like it), my mobile phone or my eeebox. Call me a free software freak but if i can not control my hardware, I do not buy the product.
Well, you can bundle it and install it under the user's account.
Not if/home is mounted noexec, or equivalently if C:\Documents and Settings is covered by an active software restriction policy [microsoft.com]. You could get the corporate IT department to install it for you... a couple months after you request it.
I do not buy this one. The point in those 'security' measure is to prevent an employee from use external applications. Web applications are basically a workaround to avoid such policy. But you probably should not use them anyway according to the company computer usage policy. Oh, I do not buy the 'you can not download viruses' either since most of the time they do not reach the file systems and are run from memory.
[Restricting software installation] no longer provides extra security once all your applications run inside the webbrowser...
JavaScript and Java implementations provide a sandbox intended to prevent scripts and applets from interacting with the file system.
That was my point with virtual machines. But the JS engine needs to access the browser stored information such as cookies or history. And need access to the file system since you can send files over the network using web based applications.
I believe we need things more like this. However, making them fully cross platform may be difficult. I usally use X11 redirection or mounting a remote filesystem locally to do what people do with "web applications".
Your audience includes people who use a computer that they do not own and people who use lockout-chipped platforms such as Wii and iPhone.
I didn't though about it. Without trolling I would say that if you can not install application on a machine, then the machine is useless. So I don't use them (so I didn't though about this point).
Python does not come with Microsoft Windows, and non-administrators are not permitted to install a Python interpreter.
Well, you can bundle it and install it under the user's account. I know most people does not agree with me, but restriction local programmation installation is useless. It no longer provides extra security once all your applications run inside the webbrowser...
A Java program that does not require installation is called an applet, and web apps prior to widespread use of AJAX were often written as Java applets.
And they were better for most use. Java applet earn bad reputation mostly due to the incompatibility in different java version and the slugishness of such apps. The former is a minor problem since it should be easy to bundle the JRE with the browser or to download it from background. The latter was mainly due to poor compilers and crappy AWT API.
Once again I'd like to recall that those solutions probably are not perfect. My main point is that we are using an engine that render static pages through a dedicated presentation languages (html/css) and we try to make it a cross platform general processing/rendering tool. It is wrong, it is not what it was designed for. What you need is a abstraction of the platform such as a virtual machine or a fully cross platform programming language.
GP deserves it -1 dumbass but the question is still valid. Who the hell choose in an administratoin that needs security sofwares that are not tested yet ? It seems strange to me.
if you have weird hardware issues,you are using a low level programming language which is clearly not required for the type of apps that are web based nowaday.
you can push a new version of the code at startup time. Since the software requires a server connexion, it is easy to send a new code/binary/resources/whatever at this time.
I was going to reply to say it is usually slow for me and just when I clicked the 'reply to this' button, I waited more than 15 seconds for the reply box to appear. Sometimes the preview button takes more than a minute to process the preview. There is probably a lot of parameter that impact the times. But it is usually slow for me.
I completely agree with you, those technologies were not thought to be used like that. Thus, some effects are not directly possible and need serious hacking to be reached. HTML/Javascript/CSS are definitively not the right tool for what we are doing with it. The problem is that there is no tool/technology/language to replace it; and I can't see one coming.
I am taking here the risk to be modded troll. I do not believe in so called "web applications". If you need an application, just right a classical application that connects to remote servers. We do not lack portable tool today. python is present on most (all?) operating systems. You can easily do the GUI using portable libraries QT or GTK are available on most OS as well. You can still even use java or.net (recall mono is standard in debian now, I believe there is a similar thing for mac os x).
that is why I use a weak password and install all trojan and spyware I can. It should give me reasonnable doubts. But strangely my computer stops working every 2 weeks...
Have you read TFA ? When you are talking to someone next to you and something strange happens, there are two pairs of eyes to see it. The other person will stop speaking when s/he sees something is happening. Whereas your buddy on the phone will not.
I agree hands free use of cell phones is still dangerous, but at least such drivers are capable of and sometimes do use turn signals.
As said by TFA and various study in Europe. Talking on phone with or without your hands does not change anything.
True, an in a free society you need serious justification for a ban of some activity. Personally, I favor laws making people financially and criminally responsible if they do get in an accident while on the phone, rather than an outright ban.
To make them responsible for having an accident while talking on the phone, you have to make it forbidden. Or is there a way a behavior can be aggravating fact without being illegal ? I do not think such a thing could exist (however, IANAL)
mod parent +5 irony!
seriously, centos is completely out of date. For instance Firefox 3.0 was included in centos with the 5.3 revision which was released in april 2009, a year after the upstream release.
The point in ubuntu is being always a couple of months late. You probably want to use a more up to date distribution such as debian unstable (note: unstable does not mean will crash after a reboot, just that they may contain bug).
it is also possible to keep a mixed system, that is to say, use mainly debian stable but borrow some packages from unstable. It uses teh preferences options of APT and you can find information on the debian website http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html
BTW, there exist an even more closer to upstream distribution of debian which is called experimental. I would not recommend a non debian developer to use that but it can be useful sometimes.
I've been to the Atomium and it is definitely lame. In Paris I would recommend "Le musee des arts et metiers" which features very nice steam machines. (I love them)
The notion of obsolenece is also quite strange. Some software can be released but should not be used. I am thinking KDE 4.0 which was completely broken. I also recal gnuplot 4.0 that brings a lot a regression. regression in the kernel are also common due to driver which are not yet ported.
All in all, I am not sure being close to the upstream is a good property for a distribution. Providing a coherent user experience is probably different from being up to date. Of course, it does not stand true for security patches which should always be applied.
however, on a set of 400 all of them working means that the 10% rule does not apply to them. (yes, it is statistically significative). It has probably to do with the CD quality or the burner quality or whatever. But it has some sense.
Actually 550$ for a computer is quite expensive... My regular computer is a eeebox. I paid it 300$. It makes alsmost no noise, is small and is power efficient. It won't run far cry, but I do not want to run it anyway...
As an interface to set up a backup system for a moderately adept geek with sufficient focus to set up and maintain a recurring rsync backup, an above average grasp of the layout of their filesystem, and the presence of mind to alter their rsync script as their computer changes over time, rsync is extremely powerful. For everyone else, it's next to useless.
On the other hand, if you thought you could ask on/. you probably match this description...
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well, it clearly depends on where you are. I am living in the US for 6 month and I grew up in France. I would say that Firefox has a huge market share in France (To give an idea, I would say something like 70% of computer I looked at used firefox). I was petrified when I saw Firefox was almost unknown in the US.
certainly people will have a different experience, but I really believe there is a difference. Have other people noticed something similar ?
I would have said 20% more useless stuff (from the web2.0 experience)
Nintendo could close Bannerbomb in Wii Menu 4.2.
As far as I understood for the team twizer blog, bootmii can not be easily removed once installed. Of course not having bannerbomb to install it first would make things more difficult.
I would address these, but that would get even more Offtopic than I already am. Do you wish to continue to discuss this line of questioning in my journal?
yeah, why not. We are clearly off-topic. :)
I am no web developper, but I believe javascript can generate clicks on a page, can't it ?
Sure, a script can submit a form, [...] chooser.
I didn't knew that. Thanks for the information. :)
I can install applications on the hardware I own would it be a wii (and yes, homebrew channel/bootmii is legal even if nintendo does not like it)
Who would fund development of non-code components of, say, a Free video game?
It is not the point. The point was interoperability. If I can run any code I want, I will probably be able to run an abstraction layer to run this not-a-web-application on my wii.
By the way there are nice games or application on the wii. Allmost all classical free games run, from the classical doom or quake (very fun played with a wiimote/nunchuk), scumvm, open tyrian. I haven't tried battle for wesnoth, supertux or tremulous. Globulation should be difficult to play with a wiimote. But step mania is definitely great. I believe I also am going to port magicor.
And need access to the file system since you can send files over the network using web based applications.
Only if the end user clicks "Browse..." and "Upload" in an HTML form.
I am no web developper, but I believe javascript can generate clicks on a page, can't it ?
Without trolling I would say that if you can not install application on a machine, then the machine is useless. So I don't use them (so I didn't though about this point).
So you'd call WebTV and the major video game consoles useless, and you'd prefer PCs. But are there any devices that 1. can use an SDTV as a monitor, 2. come ready to run (i.e. not assembled from parts from newegg), and 3. are not useless? Major label PCs fail 1, home-built PCs fail 2, and game consoles fail 3.
I can install applications on the hardware I own would it be a wii (and yes, homebrew channel/bootmii is legal even if nintendo does not like it), my mobile phone or my eeebox. Call me a free software freak but if i can not control my hardware, I do not buy the product.
Well, you can bundle it and install it under the user's account.
Not if /home is mounted noexec, or equivalently if C:\Documents and Settings is covered by an active software restriction policy [microsoft.com]. You could get the corporate IT department to install it for you... a couple months after you request it.
I do not buy this one. The point in those 'security' measure is to prevent an employee from use external applications. Web applications are basically a workaround to avoid such policy. But you probably should not use them anyway according to the company computer usage policy. Oh, I do not buy the 'you can not download viruses' either since most of the time they do not reach the file systems and are run from memory.
[Restricting software installation] no longer provides extra security once all your applications run inside the webbrowser...
JavaScript and Java implementations provide a sandbox intended to prevent scripts and applets from interacting with the file system.
That was my point with virtual machines. But the JS engine needs to access the browser stored information such as cookies or history. And need access to the file system since you can send files over the network using web based applications.
I believe we need things more like this. However, making them fully cross platform may be difficult. I usally use X11 redirection or mounting a remote filesystem locally to do what people do with "web applications".
Assuming "right" means "write"
Sure, I was tired.
Your audience includes people who use a computer that they do not own and people who use lockout-chipped platforms such as Wii and iPhone.
I didn't though about it. Without trolling I would say that if you can not install application on a machine, then the machine is useless. So I don't use them (so I didn't though about this point).
Python does not come with Microsoft Windows, and non-administrators are not permitted to install a Python interpreter.
Well, you can bundle it and install it under the user's account. I know most people does not agree with me, but restriction local programmation installation is useless. It no longer provides extra security once all your applications run inside the webbrowser...
A Java program that does not require installation is called an applet, and web apps prior to widespread use of AJAX were often written as Java applets.
And they were better for most use. Java applet earn bad reputation mostly due to the incompatibility in different java version and the slugishness of such apps. The former is a minor problem since it should be easy to bundle the JRE with the browser or to download it from background. The latter was mainly due to poor compilers and crappy AWT API.
Once again I'd like to recall that those solutions probably are not perfect. My main point is that we are using an engine that render static pages through a dedicated presentation languages (html/css) and we try to make it a cross platform general processing/rendering tool. It is wrong, it is not what it was designed for. What you need is a abstraction of the platform such as a virtual machine or a fully cross platform programming language.
have you looked here ? http://www.microsoft.com/gettingWindowsAtDoD/NewSoftwarePolicy
GP deserves it -1 dumbass but the question is still valid. Who the hell choose in an administratoin that needs security sofwares that are not tested yet ? It seems strange to me.
if you have weird hardware issues,you are using a low level programming language which is clearly not required for the type of apps that are web based nowaday.
you can push a new version of the code at startup time. Since the software requires a server connexion, it is easy to send a new code/binary/resources/whatever at this time.
I completely agree with you. I am often browsing website on low powered device and sometimes with low bandwidth and it is so slow...
And there are website that can not be browsed if you do display images which you really don't want to do when you have a low bandwidth
webmasters, just strip the shit out of your pages !
I was going to reply to say it is usually slow for me and just when I clicked the 'reply to this' button, I waited more than 15 seconds for the reply box to appear. Sometimes the preview button takes more than a minute to process the preview. There is probably a lot of parameter that impact the times. But it is usually slow for me.
I completely agree with you, those technologies were not thought to be used like that. Thus, some effects are not directly possible and need serious hacking to be reached. HTML/Javascript/CSS are definitively not the right tool for what we are doing with it. The problem is that there is no tool/technology/language to replace it; and I can't see one coming.
I am taking here the risk to be modded troll. I do not believe in so called "web applications". If you need an application, just right a classical application that connects to remote servers. We do not lack portable tool today. python is present on most (all?) operating systems. You can easily do the GUI using portable libraries QT or GTK are available on most OS as well. You can still even use java or .net (recall mono is standard in debian now, I believe there is a similar thing for mac os x).
that is why I use a weak password and install all trojan and spyware I can. It should give me reasonnable doubts. But strangely my computer stops working every 2 weeks...
They can ban women, the /. crowd will not see the difference.
Have you read TFA ? When you are talking to someone next to you and something strange happens, there are two pairs of eyes to see it. The other person will stop speaking when s/he sees something is happening. Whereas your buddy on the phone will not.
I agree hands free use of cell phones is still dangerous, but at least such drivers are capable of and sometimes do use turn signals.
As said by TFA and various study in Europe. Talking on phone with or without your hands does not change anything.
True, an in a free society you need serious justification for a ban of some activity. Personally, I favor laws making people financially and criminally responsible if they do get in an accident while on the phone, rather than an outright ban.
To make them responsible for having an accident while talking on the phone, you have to make it forbidden. Or is there a way a behavior can be aggravating fact without being illegal ? I do not think such a thing could exist (however, IANAL)
mod parent +5 irony! seriously, centos is completely out of date. For instance Firefox 3.0 was included in centos with the 5.3 revision which was released in april 2009, a year after the upstream release.
The point in ubuntu is being always a couple of months late. You probably want to use a more up to date distribution such as debian unstable (note: unstable does not mean will crash after a reboot, just that they may contain bug).
it is also possible to keep a mixed system, that is to say, use mainly debian stable but borrow some packages from unstable. It uses teh preferences options of APT and you can find information on the debian website http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html
BTW, there exist an even more closer to upstream distribution of debian which is called experimental. I would not recommend a non debian developer to use that but it can be useful sometimes.
I've been to the Atomium and it is definitely lame. In Paris I would recommend "Le musee des arts et metiers" which features very nice steam machines. (I love them)
The notion of obsolenece is also quite strange. Some software can be released but should not be used. I am thinking KDE 4.0 which was completely broken. I also recal gnuplot 4.0 that brings a lot a regression. regression in the kernel are also common due to driver which are not yet ported.
All in all, I am not sure being close to the upstream is a good property for a distribution. Providing a coherent user experience is probably different from being up to date. Of course, it does not stand true for security patches which should always be applied.
however, on a set of 400 all of them working means that the 10% rule does not apply to them. (yes, it is statistically significative). It has probably to do with the CD quality or the burner quality or whatever. But it has some sense.
This is a pretty cool sumary of why and how to backup data. It deserves a +5 interesting.
Actually 550$ for a computer is quite expensive... My regular computer is a eeebox. I paid it 300$. It makes alsmost no noise, is small and is power efficient. It won't run far cry, but I do not want to run it anyway...
As an interface to set up a backup system for a moderately adept geek with sufficient focus to set up and maintain a recurring rsync backup, an above average grasp of the layout of their filesystem, and the presence of mind to alter their rsync script as their computer changes over time, rsync is extremely powerful. For everyone else, it's next to useless.
On the other hand, if you thought you could ask on /. you probably match this description...