Trademarks, logos, images and service marks (the "Marks") displayed on the Property are registered and unregistered Marks of Apogee.
You may not use the Marks in a derogatory or defamatory manner, or in any negative context. Such use will terminate your license to use the Marks.
Please explain to me how this cannot be used to stop negative reviews. You cannot review software without referring to it. You cannot refer to it without using a "Mark"
We are not talking about logos, we're talking about trademarks, like "Duke Nukem".
Before jumping on your attack/. bandwagon, why noy read some of the posts and see that they have a good point. The wording is bad. The meaning is obscure, and it appears as though they ARE claiming rights that they cannot legaly claim. Any good lawyer would tear this 'license' to pieces anyway, so it really doesn't matter.
I think what is interesing in this case is the company's 'you aren't smart enough to understand' response. Right or wrong, they should have better cutsomer relations than the childish responses I've seen.
I think that it's ludicrous though, that anyone would ever want to state that "if your viewpoint doesn't match ours, you shouldn't be here"
I never said that. Nobody is restricting access to this site. In fact, you can come here and bitch up a storm about the whole site (as some do).
However, like I said this site fills a niche. They went from an obscure site called Chips N Dips with a few loyal followers (and no trolls I might add) to the suge site they are today. All while keeping to their mission statement (which is "post whatever interests them")
That being said, if you come here complain about stories that are posted, comments that are modded up or down, or that slashdot doesn't post what YOU want to read, don't expect anyone to care. Don't expect the site to change for you (as many seem to do)
This site has always been Linux slanted, and that is what many of us like best about it. You want "balanced" news, go see ZDNet or CNN. As for the opinions, it's their site. If they want to post opinions, more power to them. That is usually what starts the great discussion and interaction.
Perhaps not, but I wonder how many other potential customers this guy has turned off. I've seen plenty of childish e-mails from him posted in yesterday's discussion.
Hell, they probably gained more sales than they lost in this whole mess just from the exposure, but the point is, I'm not going to spend my money supporting a company like that. It's not to hurt them.
Many have, and his responses were posted in the previous story on this subject. Most of them insulting, and unprofessional. I think Taco is right in this case, however the letter he is referencing is not a god example of how Mr. Miller has been dealing with this.
In the letters from Scott I've seen, I've found him to be a poor excuse for a professional.
He comes across vulger, insulting and incessantly giggling (I mean, do you really have to write "hee hee" in an e-mail 6 times!)
I'm sure he was tired of dealing with questions and complaints (many I'm sure were flames) but as a representative of a software company, I thought maybe he would try to clear up the misunderstanding instead of calling everyone "morons".
The fact is, the license IS scary, not because of what they plan to use it for but what they CAN use it for. If they only plan to hit copyright violations, why not say that. Why even give yourselves the power to someday go after negative reviews of your products?
I will never purchase products from this company again (I have in the past), not only due to the license issue, but the unprofessional, insulting manner in which Mr. Miller dealt with it.
Finkployd
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Herritage Oaks, an apartment complex in State College, PA requires not only your social security number, but also both your parent's SS#s (if you are a student).
Outragous? Yes. Violation of federal law? Yes But how many students who need housing (they are pretty inexpensive) are going to take the time to fight that.
I think that the Librarian is saying is that they DO NOT monitor screens, but if the person needs help, they have to see the screen. You ever try to walk someone through something on a computer? Isn't it much easier when you can see their screen?
Actually, you've got nothing to worry about either way. The only people getting caught are the ones "serving" illegal media. If you aren't sharing any MP3's, you are safe....for now
I disagree. As US citizens, our rights as decreasing at a phenominal rate. Our first two rights in the Bill of Rights are constantly attacked from the right and left, respectivly. As a government gets more corrupt (as the US's most certainly is) education and involvment in the political process is dangerous. Why do you suppose the government has so many documants sealed and so many secrets. National security is important but it's become an excuse for them to hide anything they wany, thus cutting off our security.
As for education, Clinton has signed a record number of "executive orders", laws that he can write and enact while circumventing congress. Many of these have allowed for such wierd things as FEMA being able declare martial law and removing state's power in favor of federal power. If education is important, then why does no one talk about these "unconstitutional" laws in the media? Why doesn't Clinton ever mention them when bragging about all he has done?
Well, the problem here is a very blurred line between privacy and being anonymous.
Some may say you don't have a right to publish information anonymously (ie posting to slashdot as AC). While I don't know why they would want to take away a freedom that we enjoy in meatspace from the cyberspace folks, I can see the reasoning behind this (copyright violations, slander, etc). Plus, this is not really a privacy issue.
Well, along with this comes the ability to not only trace public information postings, but also track online activites (you have to track online activited to catch the 'anonymous' posters). So who's to stop the government from going even further and 'profiling' a person's online habits to determine the possibility this person may be doing something illegal.
At this point we are deeply into privacy issues. Sure it sounds like a jump at first to go from outlawing anonymous speech to online monitoring, but it's not that far fetched if you think about it.
Make no mistake about it, the government would love to be able to listen to every conversation, log every online user, and have access to every letter. Not for some wacko conspiricy theory, just "for our own good" and to "protect the public".
Eliminating anonymous speech would be my first step also.
The government for some reason doesn't understand that power corrupts. Sure all of this monitoring would be used for good and noble purposes (subjectivly speaking), but it's human nature that with that much power, there would be abuses.
I will say that anyone who thinks we are trying to control reviews and such are clueless morons.
Mr Miller, you are a sad excuse for a professional. People expressing valid concerns for a badly worded agreement do not deserve to be treated as clueless morons by an ignorant, giggling employee like yourself. In other letters you claim that the the agreement will not be used against reviewers, but fail to explain why it's worded to allow it to be in the future. After getting burned by Unisys over the GIF patent (don't worry, we will not collect royalties for this) why exactally should we trust your poorly written word?
You also claim that most fan sites had lawers? Exectally who is being clueless here?
Not to mention that Pittsburgh is simply a great city to live in. As a Pittsburgh native who moved to State College PA for a job, I really miss it, but at least I'm close:)
I'll admit, that looks impressive. However, aside from the coolness factor, I'm not sure how much better that is from our current UI model. It would most likely take up a lot of resources and (currently) looks like it would be pretty difficult to use. That said, this could be a step in the right direction if they fix some of the clutter and usability of it.
I didn't know you had to come up with a "better idea" in order to critique current ideas !!!???
At some point you do, otherwise all the bitching is pointless.
I agree that there doesn't seem to be much innovation on the UI end of things, but who says there needs to be? I've heard plenty of complaining, but not one suggestion as to what model a 'new' UI should follow. This leads me to believe either we currently use the best UI model available, or we lack the intelligence as a species to come up with a better one.
Before you come across sounding like an annoying prick...
I have no stickers. I have no spoiler. I have a stock muffler.
What I do have is a cheap car with a tweaked engine that gives me better performance, gas mileage, and doesn't stand out at all.
If you have a problem with me being an obstacle, why not just try running my shitty little car off the road, then you'll find I also have a 357 Mag with hollow points.
I figured, but I wasn't sure.:) I thought there was a chance you were seriously referring to tennis balls (which would have also been funny, just more surreal)
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Trademarks, logos, images and service marks (the "Marks") displayed on the Property are registered and unregistered Marks of Apogee.
You may not use the Marks in a derogatory or defamatory manner, or in any negative context. Such use will terminate your license to use the Marks.
Please explain to me how this cannot be used to stop negative reviews. You cannot review software without referring to it. You cannot refer to it without using a "Mark"
We are not talking about logos, we're talking about trademarks, like "Duke Nukem".
Finkployd
In other words you have no intelligent comment, you just like starting trouble.
Don't you have some better way to waste people's time?
FYI: I understand them both. Do you, hotshot?
Finkployd
Before jumping on your attack /. bandwagon, why noy read some of the posts and see that they have a good point. The wording is bad. The meaning is obscure, and it appears as though they ARE claiming rights that they cannot legaly claim. Any good lawyer would tear this 'license' to pieces anyway, so it really doesn't matter.
I think what is interesing in this case is the company's 'you aren't smart enough to understand' response. Right or wrong, they should have better cutsomer relations than the childish responses I've seen.
Finkployd
I think that it's ludicrous though, that anyone would ever want to state that "if your viewpoint doesn't match ours, you shouldn't be here"
I never said that. Nobody is restricting access to this site. In fact, you can come here and bitch up a storm about the whole site (as some do).
However, like I said this site fills a niche. They went from an obscure site called Chips N Dips with a few loyal followers (and no trolls I might add) to the suge site they are today. All while keeping to their mission statement (which is "post whatever interests them")
That being said, if you come here complain about stories that are posted, comments that are modded up or down, or that slashdot doesn't post what YOU want to read, don't expect anyone to care. Don't expect the site to change for you (as many seem to do)
This site has always been Linux slanted, and that is what many of us like best about it. You want "balanced" news, go see ZDNet or CNN. As for the opinions, it's their site. If they want to post opinions, more power to them. That is usually what starts the great discussion and interaction.
Finkployd
Perhaps not, but I wonder how many other potential customers this guy has turned off. I've seen plenty of childish e-mails from him posted in yesterday's discussion.
Hell, they probably gained more sales than they lost in this whole mess just from the exposure, but the point is, I'm not going to spend my money supporting a company like that. It's not to hurt them.
Finkployd
The minute slashdot becomes cold and clinical ( ie CNN ) is the day I stop coming here.
Well said.
My standard response to this kind of complaining is:
Slashdot fills a niche. If it's not your niche, why are you here?
Finkployd
Many have, and his responses were posted in the previous story on this subject. Most of them insulting, and unprofessional. I think Taco is right in this case, however the letter he is referencing is not a god example of how Mr. Miller has been dealing with this.
Finkployd
Urg.....Replace DMCA with UCITA in that last post.
:)
Got my 'evil' acronyms mixed up again
Finkployd
It does not say that Apogee has the right to ban negative reviews (as if they could reserve that right anyway)
It's my understanding that under the DMCA, they CAN invoke that right. Can someone comment on this? Isn't that part of the problem with the DMCA?
Finkployd
In the letters from Scott I've seen, I've found him to be a poor excuse for a professional.
He comes across vulger, insulting and incessantly giggling (I mean, do you really have to write "hee hee" in an e-mail 6 times!)
I'm sure he was tired of dealing with questions and complaints (many I'm sure were flames) but as a representative of a software company, I thought maybe he would try to clear up the misunderstanding instead of calling everyone "morons".
The fact is, the license IS scary, not because of what they plan to use it for but what they CAN use it for. If they only plan to hit copyright violations, why not say that. Why even give yourselves the power to someday go after negative reviews of your products?
I will never purchase products from this company again (I have in the past), not only due to the license issue, but the unprofessional, insulting manner in which Mr. Miller dealt with it.
Finkployd
Herritage Oaks, an apartment complex in State College, PA requires not only your social security number, but also both your parent's SS#s (if you are a student).
Outragous? Yes. Violation of federal law? Yes
But how many students who need housing (they are pretty inexpensive) are going to take the time to fight that.
Finkployd
I think that the Librarian is saying is that they DO NOT monitor screens, but if the person needs help, they have to see the screen. You ever try to walk someone through something on a computer? Isn't it much easier when you can see their screen?
Finkployd
Actually, you've got nothing to worry about either way. The only people getting caught are the ones "serving" illegal media. If you aren't sharing any MP3's, you are safe....for now
Finkployd
I disagree. As US citizens, our rights as decreasing at a phenominal rate. Our first two rights in the Bill of Rights are constantly attacked from the right and left, respectivly. As a government gets more corrupt (as the US's most certainly is) education and involvment in the political process is dangerous. Why do you suppose the government has so many documants sealed and so many secrets. National security is important but it's become an excuse for them to hide anything they wany, thus cutting off our security.
As for education, Clinton has signed a record number of "executive orders", laws that he can write and enact while circumventing congress. Many of these have allowed for such wierd things as FEMA being able declare martial law and removing state's power in favor of federal power. If education is important, then why does no one talk about these "unconstitutional" laws in the media? Why doesn't Clinton ever mention them when bragging about all he has done?
Finkployd
Well, the problem here is a very blurred line between privacy and being anonymous.
Some may say you don't have a right to publish information anonymously (ie posting to slashdot as AC). While I don't know why they would want to take away a freedom that we enjoy in meatspace from the cyberspace folks, I can see the reasoning behind this (copyright violations, slander, etc). Plus, this is not really a privacy issue.
Well, along with this comes the ability to not only trace public information postings, but also track online activites (you have to track online activited to catch the 'anonymous' posters). So who's to stop the government from going even further and 'profiling' a person's online habits to determine the possibility this person may be doing something illegal.
At this point we are deeply into privacy issues. Sure it sounds like a jump at first to go from outlawing anonymous speech to online monitoring, but it's not that far fetched if you think about it.
Make no mistake about it, the government would love to be able to listen to every conversation, log every online user, and have access to every letter. Not for some wacko conspiricy theory, just "for our own good" and to "protect the public".
Eliminating anonymous speech would be my first step also.
The government for some reason doesn't understand that power corrupts. Sure all of this monitoring would be used for good and noble purposes (subjectivly speaking), but it's human nature that with that much power, there would be abuses.
Finkployd
I will say that anyone who thinks we are trying to control reviews and such are clueless morons.
Mr Miller, you are a sad excuse for a professional. People expressing valid concerns for a badly worded agreement do not deserve to be treated as clueless morons by an ignorant, giggling employee like yourself. In other letters you claim that the the agreement will not be used against reviewers, but fail to explain why it's worded to allow it to be in the future. After getting burned by Unisys over the GIF patent (don't worry, we will not collect royalties for this) why exactally should we trust your poorly written word?
You also claim that most fan sites had lawers? Exectally who is being clueless here?
Finkployd
I agree. If only there was some way to just "skip over" the story. I mean being forced to read and comment on every story is terrible.
Finkployd
Not to mention that Pittsburgh is simply a great city to live in. As a Pittsburgh native who moved to State College PA for a job, I really miss it, but at least I'm close :)
Finkployd
I'll admit, that looks impressive. However, aside from the coolness factor, I'm not sure how much better that is from our current UI model. It would most likely take up a lot of resources and (currently) looks like it would be pretty difficult to use. That said, this could be a step in the right direction if they fix some of the clutter and usability of it.
Finkployd
I didn't know you had to come up with a "better idea" in order to critique current ideas !!!???
At some point you do, otherwise all the bitching is pointless.
I agree that there doesn't seem to be much innovation on the UI end of things, but who says there needs to be? I've heard plenty of complaining, but not one suggestion as to what model a 'new' UI should follow. This leads me to believe either we currently use the best UI model available, or we lack the intelligence as a species to come up with a better one.
Finkployd
Odd, considering that neither are GPL languages.
Python does seem less restrictive though.
Finkployd
Yes, GNOME sits on top of E or whatever
Nope, my GNOME sits on Sawfish (previously Sawmill), a small, fast, effective window manager.
Finkployd
Because Microsoft came up with a menu button and taskbar (blatently false, but lets pretend) it must be a bad idea. Do you have a better idea?
Everyone complaines about the way GUIs work, but I have yet to hear any suggestions except "try something new"
Finkployd
Before you come across sounding like an annoying prick...
I have no stickers. I have no spoiler. I have a stock muffler.
What I do have is a cheap car with a tweaked engine that gives me better performance, gas mileage, and doesn't stand out at all.
If you have a problem with me being an obstacle, why not just try running my shitty little car off the road, then you'll find I also have a 357 Mag with hollow points.
I figured, but I wasn't sure. :)
I thought there was a chance you were seriously referring to tennis balls (which would have also been funny, just more surreal)
finkployd