I see a lot of people responding about Internet Based PC Charity. The Internet is a great way to spread the word about PC Charity, but we need to get more PCs out there to the disabled or under privledged even if they are 486s etc.
Before the organization had to fold, I spent time rebuilding older PCs and fetching them out to the disabled and under privleged. It was definitely a rewarding experience. We also sponsered classes for a small operational fee.
There are many people eager to learn more about computers.
If your ambitious -- launch a PC recycling center. Offer to give a workshop to local students. Offer to give a workshop and have it take place in a community center. Demonstrate basic literacy skills.
It may may be advantageous to offer free pamphlets
Women from the dawn of the human race have been the shells and bearers of life. Our bodies give life to men and woman yet we are berated by men. We gave birth to men. This is not to state we *deserve to be given* that which we do not possess. However, we deserve the same possibilities as men. We deserve the chance to reach for the opportunities provided to men as well.
For many years we were unable to hold land, make economic decisions, vote for representation, or speak our minds. Our expressions of love were cauterized while men could flagrantly parade from relationship to relationship. Women were taught to obey and be modest. Our minds were to be caged.
For years and till this day, women have fought to rise and reach our own moments of acheivement and the fruits of hard work. Knowledge is hard earned. It is sad that as we march forward, we still have to subscribe to a bludgeoning and antagonizing fight to save ourselves from the medocrity of discrimination and social programming.
And I will state this problem is also continued by the women (not just men) who were created by this gender profiling for they in turn foster in women coming up behind them same chains of indifference.
I love computers and science. I love to learn. I have had my heart and mind stomped on by many men in the tech industry because of my curiosity. I have gotten subtle gestures that I am too lazy to research the answers I am seeking to shouts of RFTM.
I have come into IRC channels to watch and ask questions only to be told that Women have no place using Unix/Linux etc because we are inferior and lazy. Our place is to bring them coffee and parade in lingerie.
Many times I have been stripped of my confidence and good will. It hurts no matter how hard you want something.
I fight to continue what I want to do. Obviously, there are many who don't want to see me succeed, but I am not worried because I believe in myself. I evaluate this every morning I wake up, and I reaffirm my dreams with every inch of success I make.
If men could only see us for more that what others have given them to see.
Something for future parents to dwell on: Why can't fathers give their daugthers a book about Einstein instead of a Barbie? Why can't our mothers give us a computer instead of years and years of dance lessons? Why can't we celebrate females as much as we celebrate men?
Men cringe when they think of the Lifetime channel or the newer Oxygen. Women, my sweethearts, are on a long path to healing themselves and reclaiming their rights as humans. We need a beginning. We need to forge our own boundaries of expression. Spirit is important.
-- this is a tough subject to but into a concise form because there is so much involved..but I wanted to touch on as many subjects with out rambling far of context... thanks to/. for a place to speak our minds.
I somewhat agree with what you are saying, but speaking from truth... you are never going to see it happen where everyone in a particular field are in it because they love it.
It would be a oompas dream in willy wonka land before societies become devoid of class, payroll, cultural, racial, sexual, economic, and trend boundaries. It isn't going to happen anytime soon. Our system is too dependent on this way of life.
If this happened it would be like pulling a pacifier out of a baby's mouth. Your looking forward to a long crying session.
Believe me I would love for the stereotypical and inherent boundaries we have to melt away.
Wouldn't it be dreamy? Personally, every day I wake up I take red pill...
I am a girl. I would definitely classify myself as a geek. I love computers, science.. and so forth.
I admit I find this situation a bit sad, but I also have very strong and different feelings regarding this subject.
I do wish there were more girls in science. It would be nice. Sometimes I would not feel so alone in the male throng. Its kind of tough sometimes.
I definitely agree with others that socialization plays a huge factor in what people choose as their lifestyle and careers - both men and women. Don't be one sided, men are encouraged in high school to be jocks more than scientists these days (but hey this has happened for a while now). Girls are still encouraged in areas that gift the world with homemakers and entertainment (dating, advertising, waitressing, + the rest of the whole yuck yuck in crowd).
What really bugs me is that its not just school and open human mingling that influence -- its parents, blind role models, businesses, peers, & the almighty buck combined with glitz.
Although -- I am tired of hearing of women whine about how men get this and that when women do not actively go after the jobs they feel women need to part of. In truth women and men are cultures amongt themselves. There is nothing wrong in showing pride and desire in yourselves(-) the inflated ego. But there should be equality... but I think for the right reasons. I wish we didn't have to have affirmative action. However, it is still a necessity.
However, I strongly believe... if you ain't got the skills and know how for the position you have been hired into... then the position has gone to waste and there is no contribution. (--mind you I know this can't speak for every situation).
I sometimes wished I had the opportunity to have been paid more attention in high school. It seemed that I got overlooked when I was truly interested in math and science when others were being recruited to fill quotas. What I mean is why do people who really really want to be in a certain field get overlooked. These programs are coming way too late in my opinion. It is going to take years to unravel the damage done to women..and men.
Fathom does in fact have gorgeous artwork and colors. The story, I beg to differ, is not a cliche.
Michael Turner has a iventful imagination. The story is not dull by any means.
We all have things that personally draw us to a story or character.
Fathom in my ways reminds of themes that I have seen in movies such as Star Wars and DUNE.
The central character in Fathom is a young woman named Aspen. She has an affinity with the water much like Luke's affinity with travel.
Her relationship is persistant, and it drives her into the field of biosciences just like Luke was driven to join the rebel cause. Aspen genuinely cares for the enviroment especially the ocean while Luke genuinely cares for human life. Both of these characters have a equal admiration of what is good.
Both Aspen and Luke are different in ways that set them apart from other people. Aspen is of aquatic humanoid race while Luke inherits the ability to harness energy and life itself. Aspen also has the power to meld with water and control its forceful nature. She too can harness and wield energy and life.
However just like Luke, Aspen is unaware of her gifts. Remember when Luke went to Yoda, he was so full of anger. Aspen, naive to who she was, was led astray by a faction of her race who wanted to elimnate the human race if they couldn't be controlled. Aspen was taught to use her powers. She was given excuses regarding the good of their cause. She was confused and lost. Her mind was not focused and her goals were not clear. Luke faced this sort fear and confusion.
Ultimately she faced her fears and enemy head on and destroyed them. She became confident in who she was.
I have gotten a lot of enjoyment out of reading and looking at Fathom.
I would advise you to read Fathom before assuming anything.
The comic books I like to read, in any regard, are Kabuki, Fathom, Aria, Dark Minds, Dark Angel, Neo Cyber, The Crow, Blade of the Immortal.
I will admit that from time to time, I will pick a comic book that may be lacking in a story that features nifty graphics. I like to draw. I use them as a learning tool.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, I just think you need to actually read and examine something before you comment about it.
I like the idea of comic books coming to the big screen, but they still need to understand how to cross the barrier between feature film and comic book.
Feature films require, of course, a lot of editing due to people's impatience and length of standard films.
I have seen clips and trailers, and I hope the movie will be better than what I have seen.
I would rather see no name actors who look and act the part rather than some pretty well know model's face aka Mrs. Stamos. No offense to her, but I wanted to use her as example. I can admit I have only seen her act on a couple of occasions. However, I can't imagine Halle Berry playing Storm nor Anna Paquin playing Rogue.
I would have personally casted Iman to play Storm. I would have casted Nicole Kidman as Rogue because she can do an American Accent very well and she has spunk. Rogue has gusto, and I always found her terribly sentimental. I think Nicole emulates a lot of these qualities.
I would like to see two comics come to the big screen personally -- Fathom and Kabuki especially Kabuki. The Noh rock.
As to people's comments about a rip off of the Matrix. Nothing is truly a rip off unless they create an almost exact copy. We all know that Hollywood has reused script after script, that is why they have branched out and developed movies out of books aka Dune, The Green Mile, etc. Only once in a while you get an original thought that didn't come from a book directly but came from the head of a Screenwriter's collective musings. Even though you may not consider them gems, some examples of what I am talking about are EverAfter, Elizabeth, The Hunted, Dark Crystal...just a few.
Themes will always be reused. However, we can always come with a new way to represent them. The Power of Imagination. --------------------------------------------- _ O-furo ni hairanakatta desho ? =)
I wouldn't be surprised if you were a real female. You certainly don't appear to be a woman nor a lady.
-Obviously by using obtrusive vocalizations, you think you have really earned yourself brownie points. You definitely try to use a bounty of big words to describe an infinitely small view. A salute or rather a congrats to the REAL FEMALE that you are....!!
Are you more afraid of yourself than us? Who is but in pain but you my love? We do not need something 'cosmetic': Something superficial that is used to cover a deficit or defect.
We lack nothing but our humble ideals and wishes for a better future. Obvious, your best wishes for the future are die with a tight,wrinkle free face and a flat fanny!
We are the real people? Who are you?
Ps. You really think that chat rooms are composed of real people?
...so sorry grasshopper...you do not learn lesson..life..not revolve around a big head...life revolve around small pebble...
Believe or not there are heterosexual women interested in:
->kernel hacking ->coding all night long with a bottle of jolt in hand ->drinking coffee from a segfault mug while reading the latest edition coming off the digital presses of Slashdot.org
Not all of us are club hoppers, couch potatoes, shopping fiends...=)
Who says you are going to get flamed for your comment?
Being a fem in the tech world. I can understand your point of view. I feel bad for the women of today and of yesterday. You have the women of yesterday, who fought so hard to have an equal playing field, but you have the women of today who are completely undoing all of that movement piece by piece.
Why in "insert your favorite deity" 's name would you want to become pregnant at 11, 12, 13, 14...ok you get my point? In the old days, you didn't have a long life ahead of you. It is easy to say who wouldn't want to push life faster than necessary.
Having a child is a wealth of responsibility! How are you going to be responsible with a child when you are too young to support the child financially let alone mentally or affectionately? Who says that child is even going to grow up to love? How can teach life's lessons to a child when you have failed to learn them?
Some of these girls want to have babies so someone will love them. If you don't love yourself, how can you expect someone else to love you? Also, why would expect the male of today to love you for having their baby? If a girl is planning to have a baby in order to trap a guy, I am sad to say that is not how love works.
These things as I have mentioned have pushed women backwards in terms of: ->respect ->honor ->decency and developing the breadeth of: ->character ->dignity, ->intelligence, and empathy we so boldy carry within us.
I finished high school. I am in college. My sister,as I will use her as example, is 15 while I am 23, and she wants to have a baby. She wants to get married. She doesn't school.
This is a sad trend.
I am 23. I have been dating the same man for 5 years. He is 21. I have no plans to have any children anytime soon. I am not ready, neither is he, and I want my children to have a loving, stable, and decent upbringing.
Let me steer myself back on track. In regards to the women of today, those exotic dancers and models earn much more but at what price? Their bodies will eventually sag and wrinkle in some form or fashion. What preparations are being taken for old age? What is going to happen if they suffer a huge finanacial loss? What if all of their possessions are stolen? What if someone takes it upon themselves to deface them?
Investing in your education whether through self teaching or school is something that should be continued as a long term goal.
There are fewer women in the tech industry because -> Being considered a geek is still uncool. -> Lack of focus and discipline. -> Social Conditioning. -> Lack of encouragement.
Even today, as many wonderful Geek guys like yourself are out there, women get pushed out of irc channels or criticized. However, don't get me wrong there a lot of great geek guys out there that go out of their way to help everyone including women understand the finer points of technology.
Who cares about fat or ugly men sitting on their butt watching football games or eating a cholestrol choking steak while sipping cheap beer to advance their beer belly. I'll stick to the geek boys in the basement showing me Perl while I am grooming my kernel. Then i'll give him some help to go about his coding. Hes happy & I'm happy.
--(Before you consider this flamebait, read the original comment)--
SeineThinker ~~Besame mi alma~~ --"I don't believe; I know" -Carl Jung
If most geniuses are male, and I will cite Albert Einstein as example, right? You wouldn't disagree with me that Albert Einstein was a genius and a formidable human being, right?
Then why would it escape from his mouth that, and I quote --
"Every child is born a genius."
Have you every heard of the words -- potential and kinetic?
E = MC^2
Potential - The inherent ability or capacity for growth, development, or coming into being ; Something possessing the capacity for growth or development. Kinetic - Of, relating to, or produced by motion.
We all, as human beings, have potential. However, our intelligence comes from being kinetic. It is the choices we make that prosper our intelligence.
Biology simply doesn't can't for the entire makeup of the world let alone Science.
Oh, by the way tests like the Bell Curve cannot account for social conditioning. Read more about Pavlov...You might just learn something, love....
--With Love, Seinethinker --"I don't believe; I know" -Carl Jung
I have been a girl and I am now a woman. I have grown and changed. Truthfully, people place so much importance on gender. Importance should not be placed on gender but people. We are people foremost. People with burgeoning potential.
However, power and manipulation would rather retract and degrade that potential. It seems that men, not to blame every man out there and I am trying hard not to make a blanket statement, have the cave man mentality that men should be superior above all including woman, child (male or female), animal, and plant.
This world has perverted the thoughts and notions of many women. Where, even women placed hurdles for their own kith.
You have women who call themselves Feminists. Some of these activists call to women and say "Stand up for yourselves. Be where men are! Do what they do! You have the right to be just like them!"
Why would women want to emulate the thing that has placed women in a secondary position?
If you see these men dressed in suits, making money, acting arrogant, cutting their friends down because 'its just business', then...what have women really accomplished!
To quote Judy Garland -"Always be a first-rate version of yourself, instead of a second-rate version of somebody else."
If women want to go into the computer field it should be encouraged because we do have the gift to think in an alternate way just like men think in an alternate way to us. Also, all in all we each differ in the way we think from one another-human to human.
A multiplicity of ideas and thoughts create such a diversity. How much more of a gift could you ask for? To not only have gifted men working in this field pushing it forward but to have the skills and mind's eye of gifted women as well.
I work in the computer field. Everyday is a loving and wonderful growing experience. I learn so much. My friends (males - 3 LINUX GEEKS to be exact) have taught me things as I have taught them things. We are healthy compeition to one another, but we are all equal. We learn and we develop together. We do not subtract from each other.
I even, with the aide of two other male friends, begun a LUG where I was the only woman. I became surrounded by men. Yes, it was uncomfortable at first, but I had the benefit of learning something new each time I sat down.
It can be difficult for a woman because some men are highly competitive about what they know. It is a shame that in an open source community, that these men would rather keep knowledge and experience from others. You can help others without having to dissolve the ability and status of yourself. I speak this from personally experiencing it from a member within the LUG.
However, I am more and more scared at how women and men are behaving. The women out there care more about being a preening bunch of pigeons as do the men. Clothes. Hairstyles. Cars. Sex. Money.....what happen to education? what happen to adding to the potential? If you are so interesting in creating a comfortable world..Why do it in the slow, careless and less creative way?
People are really losing themselves in the whirlwind of fast, patched solutions to complex and evolving issues.
I love computers genuinely I do. I have been a geek since pre-school. I have always opted to hang to with the geek guys because I saw what they did and it was what I wanted to do. I had the want to do something other than being a peacock.
Usually unless it has changed, friends provide development, warmth and encouragement. Those geek guys I love and hang out do all of this. Your friends can be your best resources for many things.
I guess to really sum up my jumbled feelings and thoughts. Be open minded, invite women into the community of geeks, make friends with us --you would truly be impressed to find out what we have to say and what we know...you would also be surprised that we want to learn from you...as wanting to learn from our encounters, adventures, and explorations into the realm of what moves and makes a computer tick.
Oh, well --I love you geek men nonetheless..
SeineThinker --a subject of honest rambling-- --"I don't believe; I know" -Carl Jung
These are the people who deserve a pocket protector clap---besides just Mr. *Blush* Torvalds 1. Mark Tilden (Godfather of BEAM) 2. John Bardeen (co-inventor of the transistor) 3. S. Joseph Begun (Inventor of Magnetic Recording) 4. Grace Murray Hopper (Who? This lady was credited with devising the first compiler -yep, a woman....later to become a senior advisor to DEC) 5. Albert Einstein (My hero, I don't need to say anything about this man.) 6. Nolan Bushnell (Inventor of Pong =)-Yeah that's right PONG.....gotta problem?? j/k) 7. Chester F. Carlson (Inventor of the photocopier and electrophotography aka that thing that takes nice pictures of my butt....=B)) 8. Seymour Cray (Inventor of the Cray Computer) 9. Enro Rubik (The one and only behind Rubik's cube) 10. George de Mestral (Invented VELCRO) --------- With Love, The SeineThinker ---------------------------------------- Motto for life: "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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I see a lot of people responding about Internet Based PC Charity. The Internet is a great way to spread the word about PC Charity, but we need to get more PCs out there to the disabled or under privledged even if they are 486s etc.
Before the organization had to fold, I spent time rebuilding older PCs and fetching them out to the disabled and under privleged. It was definitely a rewarding experience. We also sponsered classes for a small operational fee.
There are many people eager to learn more about computers.
If your ambitious -- launch a PC recycling center. Offer to give a workshop to local students. Offer to give a workshop and have it take place in a community center. Demonstrate basic literacy skills.
It may may be advantageous to offer free pamphlets
Seek community sponsors through businesses.
Just some ideas to kick around at.
Women from the dawn of the human race have been the shells and bearers of life. Our bodies give life to men and woman yet we are berated by men. We gave birth to men. This is not to state we *deserve to be given* that which we do not possess. However, we deserve the same possibilities as men. We deserve the chance to reach for the opportunities provided to men as well.
For many years we were unable to hold land, make economic decisions, vote for representation, or speak our minds. Our expressions of love were cauterized while men could flagrantly parade from relationship to relationship. Women were taught to obey and be modest. Our minds were to be caged.
For years and till this day, women have fought to rise and reach our own moments of acheivement and the fruits of hard work. Knowledge is hard earned. It is sad that as we march forward, we still have to subscribe to a bludgeoning and antagonizing fight to save ourselves from the medocrity of discrimination and social programming.
And I will state this problem is also continued by the women (not just men) who were created by this gender profiling for they in turn foster in women coming up behind them same chains of indifference.
I love computers and science. I love to learn. I have had my heart and mind stomped on by many men in the tech industry because of my curiosity. I have gotten subtle gestures that I am too lazy to research the answers I am seeking to shouts of RFTM.
I have come into IRC channels to watch and ask questions only to be told that Women have no place using Unix/Linux etc because we are inferior and lazy. Our place is to bring them coffee and parade in lingerie.
Many times I have been stripped of my confidence and good will. It hurts no matter how hard you want something.
I fight to continue what I want to do. Obviously, there are many who don't want to see me succeed, but I am not worried because I believe in myself. I evaluate this every morning I wake up, and I reaffirm my dreams with every inch of success I make.
If men could only see us for more that what others have given them to see.
Something for future parents to dwell on: Why can't fathers give their daugthers a book about Einstein instead of a Barbie? Why can't our mothers give us a computer instead of years and years of dance lessons? Why can't we celebrate females as much as we celebrate men?
Men cringe when they think of the Lifetime channel or the newer Oxygen. Women, my sweethearts, are on a long path to healing themselves and reclaiming their rights as humans. We need a beginning. We need to forge our own boundaries of expression. Spirit is important.
-- this is a tough subject to but into a concise form because there is so much involved..but I wanted to touch on as many subjects with out rambling far of context... thanks to /. for a place to speak our minds.
I somewhat agree with what you are saying, but speaking from truth... you are never going to see it happen where everyone in a particular field are in it because they love it.
It would be a oompas dream in willy wonka land before societies become devoid of class, payroll, cultural, racial, sexual, economic, and trend boundaries. It isn't going to happen anytime soon. Our system is too dependent on this way of life.
If this happened it would be like pulling a pacifier out of a baby's mouth. Your looking forward to a long crying session.
Believe me I would love for the stereotypical and inherent boundaries we have to melt away.
Wouldn't it be dreamy? Personally, every day I wake up I take red pill...
I am a girl. I would definitely classify myself as a geek. I love computers, science.. and so forth.
I admit I find this situation a bit sad, but I also have very strong and different feelings regarding this subject.
I do wish there were more girls in science. It would be nice. Sometimes I would not feel so alone in the male throng. Its kind of tough sometimes.
I definitely agree with others that socialization plays a huge factor in what people choose as their lifestyle and careers - both men and women. Don't be one sided, men are encouraged in high school to be jocks more than scientists these days (but hey this has happened for a while now). Girls are still encouraged in areas that gift the world with homemakers and entertainment (dating, advertising, waitressing, + the rest of the whole yuck yuck in crowd).
What really bugs me is that its not just school and open human mingling that influence -- its parents, blind role models, businesses, peers, & the almighty buck combined with glitz.
Although -- I am tired of hearing of women whine about how men get this and that when women do not actively go after the jobs they feel women need to part of. In truth women and men are cultures amongt themselves. There is nothing wrong in showing pride and desire in yourselves(-) the inflated ego. But there should be equality... but I think for the right reasons. I wish we didn't have to have affirmative action. However, it is still a necessity.
However, I strongly believe... if you ain't got the skills and know how for the position you have been hired into... then the position has gone to waste and there is no contribution. (--mind you I know this can't speak for every situation).
I sometimes wished I had the opportunity to have been paid more attention in high school. It seemed that I got overlooked when I was truly interested in math and science when others were being recruited to fill quotas. What I mean is why do people who really really want to be in a certain field get overlooked. These programs are coming way too late in my opinion. It is going to take years to unravel the damage done to womenThese are just some thoughts on the matter.
Ciao, Seine
Fathom does in fact have gorgeous artwork and colors. The story, I beg to differ, is not a cliche.
Michael Turner has a iventful imagination. The story is not dull by any means.
We all have things that personally draw us to a story or character.
Fathom in my ways reminds of themes that I have seen in movies such as Star Wars and DUNE.
The central character in Fathom is a young woman named Aspen. She has an affinity with the water much like Luke's affinity with travel.
Her relationship is persistant, and it drives her into the field of biosciences just like Luke was driven to join the rebel cause. Aspen genuinely cares for the enviroment especially the ocean while Luke genuinely cares for human life. Both of these characters have a equal admiration of what is good.
Both Aspen and Luke are different in ways that set them apart from other people. Aspen is of aquatic humanoid race while Luke inherits the ability to harness energy and life itself. Aspen also has the power to meld with water and control its forceful nature. She too can harness and wield energy and life.
However just like Luke, Aspen is unaware of her gifts. Remember when Luke went to Yoda, he was so full of anger. Aspen, naive to who she was, was led astray by a faction of her race who wanted to elimnate the human race if they couldn't be controlled. Aspen was taught to use her powers. She was given excuses regarding the good of their cause. She was confused and lost. Her mind was not focused and her goals were not clear. Luke faced this sort fear and confusion.
Ultimately she faced her fears and enemy head on and destroyed them. She became confident in who she was.
I have gotten a lot of enjoyment out of reading and looking at Fathom.
I would advise you to read Fathom before assuming anything.
The comic books I like to read, in any regard, are Kabuki, Fathom, Aria, Dark Minds, Dark Angel, Neo Cyber, The Crow, Blade of the Immortal.
I will admit that from time to time, I will pick a comic book that may be lacking in a story that features nifty graphics. I like to draw. I use them as a learning tool.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, I just think you need to actually read and examine something before you comment about it.
I like the idea of comic books coming to the big screen, but they still need to understand how to cross the barrier between feature film and comic book.
Feature films require, of course, a lot of editing due to people's impatience and length of standard films.
I have seen clips and trailers, and I hope the movie will be better than what I have seen.
I would rather see no name actors who look and act the part rather than some pretty well know model's face aka Mrs. Stamos. No offense to her, but I wanted to use her as example. I can admit I have only seen her act on a couple of occasions. However, I can't imagine Halle Berry playing Storm nor Anna Paquin playing Rogue.
I would have personally casted Iman to play Storm. I would have casted Nicole Kidman as Rogue because she can do an American Accent very well and she has spunk. Rogue has gusto, and I always found her terribly sentimental. I think Nicole emulates a lot of these qualities.
I would like to see two comics come to the big screen personally -- Fathom and Kabuki especially Kabuki. The Noh rock.
As to people's comments about a rip off of the Matrix. Nothing is truly a rip off unless they create an almost exact copy. We all know that Hollywood has reused script after script, that is why they have branched out and developed movies out of books aka Dune, The Green Mile, etc. Only once in a while you get an original thought that didn't come from a book directly but came from the head of a Screenwriter's collective musings. Even though you may not consider them gems, some examples of what I am talking about are EverAfter, Elizabeth, The Hunted, Dark Crystal...just a few.
Themes will always be reused. However, we can always come with a new way to represent them. The Power of Imagination.
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O-furo ni hairanakatta desho ? =)
I wouldn't be surprised if you were a real female.
...
You certainly don't appear to be a woman nor a lady.
-Obviously by using obtrusive vocalizations, you think you have really earned yourself brownie points. You definitely try to use a bounty of big words to describe an infinitely small view. A salute or rather a congrats to the REAL FEMALE that you are....!!
Are you more afraid of yourself than us? Who is but in pain but you my love? We do not need something 'cosmetic': Something superficial that is used to cover a deficit or defect.
We lack nothing but our humble ideals and wishes for a better future. Obvious, your best wishes for the future are die with a tight,wrinkle free face and a flat fanny!
We are the real people? Who are you?
Ps. You really think that chat rooms are composed of real people?
...so sorry grasshopper...you do not learn lesson..life..not revolve around a big head...life revolve around small pebble
Con Amor y Espiritu, SeineThinker
Kudos! I am glad to hear the Techie fems come out of the shadows and speak.
I admit, I still have a lot to learn about technology. It something that changes minute by minute. However, I love it.
It is nice to know that there are women out there who like to challenge themselves.
More power to you.
Con Amor y Espiritu, SeineThinker
1.A compulsive, often unreasonable idea or emotion.
However, wouldn't you agree that out of obsession have not been the birth of great ideas. Sometimes the unreasonable becomes the reasonable.
A man of great importance was locked up because of his obsession -Galileo
Everyone thought his views were unreasonable and an outright untruth. In the end, he was in fact correct.
Ok...that was my penny for the wishing well.
Con Amor y Espiritu, SeineThinker
Believe or not there are heterosexual women interested in:
->kernel hacking
->coding all night long with a bottle of jolt in hand
->drinking coffee from a segfault mug while reading the latest edition coming off the digital presses of Slashdot.org
Not all of us are club hoppers, couch potatoes, shopping fiends...=)
Con Amor y Espiritu, SeineThinker
Who says you are going to get flamed for your comment?
,as I will use her as example, is 15 while I am 23, and she wants to have a baby. She wants to get married. She doesn't school.
Being a fem in the tech world. I can understand your point of view. I feel bad for the women of today and of yesterday. You have the women of yesterday, who fought so hard to have an equal playing field, but you have the women of today who are completely undoing all of that movement piece by piece.
Why in "insert your favorite deity" 's name would you want to become pregnant at 11, 12, 13, 14...ok you get my point? In the old days, you didn't have a long life ahead of you. It is easy to say who wouldn't want to push life faster than necessary.
Having a child is a wealth of responsibility! How are you going to be responsible with a child when you are too young to support the child financially let alone mentally or affectionately? Who says that child is even going to grow up to love? How can teach life's lessons to a child when you have failed to learn them?
Some of these girls want to have babies so someone will love them. If you don't love yourself, how can you expect someone else to love you? Also, why would expect the male of today to love you for having their baby? If a girl is planning to have a baby in order to trap a guy, I am sad to say that is not how love works.
These things as I have mentioned have pushed women backwards in terms of:
->respect
->honor
->decency
and developing the breadeth of:
->character
->dignity,
->intelligence, and empathy we so boldy carry within us.
I finished high school. I am in college. My sister
This is a sad trend.
I am 23. I have been dating the same man for 5 years. He is 21. I have no plans to have any children anytime soon. I am not ready, neither is he, and I want my children to have a loving, stable, and decent upbringing.
Let me steer myself back on track. In regards to the women of today, those exotic dancers and models earn much more but at what price? Their bodies will eventually sag and wrinkle in some form or fashion. What preparations are being taken for old age? What is going to happen if they suffer a huge finanacial loss? What if all of their possessions are stolen? What if someone takes it upon themselves to deface them?
Investing in your education whether through self teaching or school is something that should be continued as a long term goal.
There are fewer women in the tech industry because
-> Being considered a geek is still uncool.
-> Lack of focus and discipline.
-> Social Conditioning.
-> Lack of encouragement.
Even today, as many wonderful Geek guys like yourself are out there, women get pushed out of irc channels or criticized. However, don't get me wrong there a lot of great geek guys out there that go out of their way to help everyone including women understand the finer points of technology.
Con Amor & Espiritu, SeineThinker
Who cares about fat or ugly men sitting on their butt watching football games or eating a cholestrol choking steak while sipping cheap beer to advance their beer belly. I'll stick to the geek boys in the basement showing me Perl while I am grooming my kernel. Then i'll give him some help to go about his coding. Hes happy & I'm happy.
--(Before you consider this flamebait, read the original comment)--
SeineThinker ~~Besame mi alma~~
--"I don't believe; I know" -Carl Jung
If most geniuses are male, and I will cite Albert Einstein as example, right? You wouldn't disagree with me that Albert Einstein was a genius and a formidable human being, right?
Then why would it escape from his mouth that, and I quote --
"Every child is born a genius."
Have you every heard of the words -- potential and kinetic?
E = MC^2
Potential - The inherent ability or capacity for growth, development, or coming into being ; Something possessing the capacity for growth or development.
Kinetic - Of, relating to, or produced by motion.
We all, as human beings, have potential. However, our intelligence comes from being kinetic. It is the choices we make that prosper our intelligence.
Biology simply doesn't can't for the entire makeup of the world let alone Science.
Oh, by the way tests like the Bell Curve cannot account for social conditioning. Read more about Pavlov...You might just learn something, love....
--With Love, Seinethinker
--"I don't believe; I know" -Carl Jung
I have been a girl and I am now a woman. I have grown and changed. Truthfully, people place so much importance on gender. Importance should not be placed on gender but people. We are people foremost. People with burgeoning potential.
...what have women really accomplished!
....what happen to education? what happen to adding to the potential? If you are so interesting in creating a comfortable world..Why do it in the slow, careless and less creative way?
However, power and manipulation would rather retract and degrade that potential. It seems that men, not to blame every man out there and I am trying hard not to make a blanket statement, have the cave man mentality that men should be superior above all including woman, child (male or female),
animal, and plant.
This world has perverted the thoughts and notions of many women. Where, even women placed hurdles for their own kith.
You have women who call themselves Feminists. Some of these activists call to women and say "Stand up for yourselves. Be where men are! Do what they do! You have the right to be just like them!"
Why would women want to emulate the thing that has
placed women in a secondary position?
If you see these men dressed in suits, making money, acting arrogant, cutting their friends down because 'its just business', then
To quote Judy Garland -"Always be a first-rate version of yourself, instead of a second-rate version of somebody else."
If women want to go into the computer field it should be encouraged because we do have the gift to think in an alternate way just like men think in an alternate way to us. Also, all in all we each differ in the way we think from one another-human to human.
A multiplicity of ideas and thoughts create such a diversity. How much more of a gift could you ask for? To not only have gifted men working in this field pushing it forward but to have the skills and mind's eye of gifted women as well.
I work in the computer field. Everyday is a loving and wonderful growing experience. I learn so much. My friends (males - 3 LINUX GEEKS to be exact) have taught me things as I have taught them things. We are healthy compeition to one another, but we are all equal. We learn and we develop together. We do not subtract from each other.
I even, with the aide of two other male friends, begun a LUG where I was the only woman. I became surrounded by men. Yes, it was uncomfortable at first, but I had the benefit of learning something new each time I sat down.
It can be difficult for a woman because some men are highly competitive about what they know. It is a shame that in an open source community, that these men would rather keep knowledge and experience from others. You can help others without having to dissolve the ability and status of yourself. I speak this from personally experiencing it from a member within the LUG.
However, I am more and more scared at how women and men are behaving. The women out there care more about being a preening bunch of pigeons as do the men. Clothes. Hairstyles. Cars. Sex. Money.
People are really losing themselves in the whirlwind of fast, patched solutions to complex and evolving issues.
I love computers genuinely I do. I have been a geek since pre-school. I have always opted to hang to with the geek guys because I saw what they did and it was what I wanted to do. I had the want to do something other than being a peacock.
Usually unless it has changed, friends provide development, warmth and encouragement. Those geek guys I love and hang out do all of this. Your friends can be your best resources for many things.
I guess to really sum up my jumbled feelings and thoughts. Be open minded, invite women into the community of geeks, make friends with us --you would truly be impressed to find out what we have to say and what we know...you would also be surprised that we want to learn from you...as wanting to learn from our encounters, adventures, and explorations into the realm of what moves and makes a computer tick.
Oh, well --I love you geek men nonetheless..
SeineThinker --a subject of honest rambling--
--"I don't believe; I know" -Carl Jung
These are the people who deserve a pocket protector clap---besides just Mr. *Blush* Torvalds 1. Mark Tilden (Godfather of BEAM) 2. John Bardeen (co-inventor of the transistor) 3. S. Joseph Begun (Inventor of Magnetic Recording) 4. Grace Murray Hopper (Who? This lady was credited with devising the first compiler -yep, a woman....later to become a senior advisor to DEC) 5. Albert Einstein (My hero, I don't need to say anything about this man.) 6. Nolan Bushnell (Inventor of Pong =)-Yeah that's right PONG.....gotta problem?? j/k) 7. Chester F. Carlson (Inventor of the photocopier and electrophotography aka that thing that takes nice pictures of my butt....=B)) 8. Seymour Cray (Inventor of the Cray Computer) 9. Enro Rubik (The one and only behind Rubik's cube) 10. George de Mestral (Invented VELCRO) --------- With Love, The SeineThinker ---------------------------------------- Motto for life: "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein