The point that the guy I replied to made was "people are too dumb to use a tool, so we should make a "tool-for-dummies" version", the only problem being that when the tool-for-dummies version is made, it removes virtually all usefulness from the tool. As I said above, simple / easy to use is not the same as locked down and feature deprived.
And you totally missed the point. The point was about stupid people, not about "easy to use". There's a difference between ignorant/uneducated in doing something and just plain dumb. You can teach the ignorant and the uneducated, you can't teach the stupid. Simple or easy to use is not the same as making a locked down, feature deprived device for stupid people - and by catering to stupid people, you promote it.
One of the great ironies of slashdot is that people on here support Darwin, yet no one wants to let survival of the fittest apply (even in something as simple as whether or not you can drive a car or use a computer) to the modern world. Basic computing is not complicated - hence why so many 5 year olds can do more on computers than the typical person that you're talking about. That's not a matter of a complicated device, that's a matter of people intentionally refusing to learn. I never have, and never will, tolerate people who refuse to try to learn. Unfortunately we have too many people like you promoting those who refuse to learn and as a result you're dragging all of society down. You don't cure cancer by giving the cancer hugs and telling it that you'll make it special devices, you kill it off and let the rest of the body flourish.
Apple wants to sell the iPad to people who don't like upgrading their software, installing from DVDs, or properly connecting a wi-fi router. These skills should not be considered mandatory learning for someone who just wants to email and surf.
And all of those things can be done without Apple's draconian lockdown of the device that renders it an almost useless media consumption device. You can have simple and easy to use without removing function. The only problem is that you and Apple seem to be unaware of that fact.
No part of your objection really seems likely to be a problem except the lack of video chat
Really? So all of those different websites (even for news sites) that use Flash for video don't exist? I wasn't aware that I just imagined them. Thanks for informing me! Flash (unfortunately) is very prevalent for video and not having flash support kills many worthwhile sites.
And frankly, yes, giving a novice user an unlocked computer is a retarded idea in the first place
Well I wasn't aware we were talking about children, I thought we were talking about adults. And yes, in this age it would be very hard to find an adult in the developed world who's never used a computer before, even in retirement homes. You're confusing ignorance (a novice) with stupidity (someone who can't check email without breaking the computer).
I don't know about VNC, but I know that Citrix is making a client app for the iPad. I could see that actually being useful for businesses in a Citrix environment - be working at your desk then when you have to go to a meeting, launch the Citrix app on your iPad and everything that was on your desktop is now on the iPad for you to take to the meeting with you.
Except that the iPhone is infinitely more useful than an iPad due to the fact you can drop it in your pocket. The iPad is a blown up iPhone, and that's a big reason so many people are feeling "meh" about the iPad. I was excited about the iPad until I fully found out it's limitations - then I said "........it doesn't do a damn thing my iPhone doesn't do, so what's the point in buying it?"
The thing really sounds like what most people want for a computer.
Sorry, but I have to disagree. It comes close to being what most people want. However, most people want the full internet and lack of Flash on the iPad prevents that. Most people want to be able to install any program they might choose in order to do task XYZ and unfortunately, that's just not happening with the way the iPhone / iPod Touch / iPad are locked down. Look around the App Store sometime, most of it is utter crap (I have an iPhone and love it, but I can count the number of worthwhile apps on my fingers). Most people also want to be able to easily copy over movies, pictures, and other files - the iPad only allows that for pictures (with the SD reader attachment). The hardware of the iPad is great (well, most people would also like to have a webcam), but the software side of it being so locked down hamstrings it.
All she does is email, browse the web and chat with Skype.
So with an iPad she could email, browse the 75% or so of the web that doesn't involve Flash, and not be able to do video calls on Skype. I can sure see the benefit in paying more money for a device that does 75% of what you want it to do just because it's so hard to set up automatic updates....
If someone is so incapable of using a computer without fucking it up, they don't need a "locked down appliance", they just need to be kept the hell away from computers period. It's akin to saying that "we just need self-driving cars" for incompetent drivers as opposed to just keeping them from getting behind the wheel.
Which is why religion and all other straight-faced magical thinking should be abolished.
Would you include socialism / communism in there? It's no secret that the creators of collectivism ideology completely ignored human behavior and expected people to work hard to support others due to a mythical desire to see everyone happy at their own expense.
this is an appalling indicator of how bad an environment corporatism and unregulated capitalism can create.
If you think that the US has unregulated capitalism, or even just plain capitalism, then you need to come visit the US sometime so you can see how wrong you are.
Instinctively, I want to do just that to try to stop such idiotic laws. However, it's their own damn fault for allowing their government to have such control that they're reaching this point. Seeing as how we constantly have articles about people all over the world in developed countries losing their rights to oppressive governments, I say let it happen and maybe the masses of asses will finally start to realize just why it's a bad thing to have government running every aspect of your life. Any time people try to defend freedom, the average person says "Who cares? I don't use those rights" - so the only way to get them to care is for a right they actually DO care about to be taken away.
In developed countries there is a general sentiment among the people that obeying the law is something that benefits everybody.
Really? While I've noticed that mentality to be true for those I know living in very controlled socialist countries (UK, AU, Germany), here in the US I find the general sentiment to be that laws are created by those in power for their own benefit. It's a minority of the US population that thinks that passing more laws is actually a GOOD thing.
No, he stated that Windows 7 used more memory than XP. This is true. However, it's extremely misleading because that memory is being used as a form of cache.
He didn't lie. He just seems to have been ignorant of how Windows 7 works.
If he wasn't lying, then why would he create a fake name to hide behind for it? Last I checked, giving a legitimate criticism of an OS wasn't something that required anyone to use fake names for.
The term "fanboy" *IS* disparaging.
There are certain people who have a fanatical devotion to a company or platform - these people are the ones who would come up with lies about why the other product is inferior because of their almost religious devotion to their product of choice. That's not disparaging, that's just stating a fact about their views. I suppose you would also call labeling a Muslim a Muslim as "disparaging" or calling a Catholic person "Catholic" as disparaging.
You're defending Windows 7 against "lying Mac or Linux fanboys".
Wrong. I'm simply saying that there are two groups of people who would lie about Windows 7 - Linux or Mac fanboys. I'd say the same (and have plenty of times) if there were lies being spread against Linux and I'd say the same if there were lies being spread about OS X.
Even *if* there were only three groups, you haven't even shown that the person isn't from the same group being attacked. Specifically, a Windows user criticizing Windows 7. People criticize the products they prefer all the time.
Except he wasn't criticizing - he created an alias so that he could spread false claims about Windows 7. There's a difference between "I dislike X because of Y" and going out and intentionally misleading people into thinking your someone else so that you can say "X does Y" when Y is completely false. He was lying and was well aware of it or else he wouldn't have created the alias to hide behind.
Except that boycotting Apple products won't hurt them because too many fanboys will still buy their products and as long as Steve Jobs is running the show, everything will stay locked down at Apple - so you can't try to claim that buying it and jailbreaking it is "encouraging" them, they don't need any encouragement.
I (proud Nexus One owner) would still take Android over Iphone or Windows phones
something empowering about having more freedom and choice than these 2 locked down and bastardized "platforms" where now i cant even download an app with boobies in it!
Yes, because it's so hard to download a 512KB file and run it to jailbreak an iPhone........
I would've preferred an Android phone actually, but when I got a new phone the only Android phones were on T-Mobile.
I have my UAC settings at maximum under Windows 7 and I don't see any UAC prompts for IE.
I don't think anyone is getting them for IE under Windows 7, but I know ones who do under Vista. It's also bullshit that it gives you a UAC prompt just to run a virus manual virus scan (not sure if it still does under Windows 7, I turned them off because on a single user system, they don't serve any purpose than to annoy you).
I call it "spreading lies" because that's what the guy in TFA was doing - making up lies about Windows 7 to make it look inferior to OS X or Linux. I'm also not "disparaging" anyone, I'm simply pointing out that you will only find people with a reason to make false claims about an OS in the fanboy camp of one of the other OS's. I'm not defending anything, merely pointing out that when you have 3 groups and one group is being attacked, it's pretty fucking obvious that it's a member of one of the other two groups.
And you totally missed the point about "what two groups of people have cause to spread lies about MS". I guess you were out sick they day they taught common sense in school.
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The point that the guy I replied to made was "people are too dumb to use a tool, so we should make a "tool-for-dummies" version", the only problem being that when the tool-for-dummies version is made, it removes virtually all usefulness from the tool. As I said above, simple / easy to use is not the same as locked down and feature deprived.
And you totally missed the point. The point was about stupid people, not about "easy to use". There's a difference between ignorant/uneducated in doing something and just plain dumb. You can teach the ignorant and the uneducated, you can't teach the stupid. Simple or easy to use is not the same as making a locked down, feature deprived device for stupid people - and by catering to stupid people, you promote it.
One of the great ironies of slashdot is that people on here support Darwin, yet no one wants to let survival of the fittest apply (even in something as simple as whether or not you can drive a car or use a computer) to the modern world. Basic computing is not complicated - hence why so many 5 year olds can do more on computers than the typical person that you're talking about. That's not a matter of a complicated device, that's a matter of people intentionally refusing to learn. I never have, and never will, tolerate people who refuse to try to learn. Unfortunately we have too many people like you promoting those who refuse to learn and as a result you're dragging all of society down. You don't cure cancer by giving the cancer hugs and telling it that you'll make it special devices, you kill it off and let the rest of the body flourish.
Apple wants to sell the iPad to people who don't like upgrading their software, installing from DVDs, or properly connecting a wi-fi router. These skills should not be considered mandatory learning for someone who just wants to email and surf.
And all of those things can be done without Apple's draconian lockdown of the device that renders it an almost useless media consumption device. You can have simple and easy to use without removing function. The only problem is that you and Apple seem to be unaware of that fact.
No part of your objection really seems likely to be a problem except the lack of video chat
Really? So all of those different websites (even for news sites) that use Flash for video don't exist? I wasn't aware that I just imagined them. Thanks for informing me! Flash (unfortunately) is very prevalent for video and not having flash support kills many worthwhile sites.
And frankly, yes, giving a novice user an unlocked computer is a retarded idea in the first place
Well I wasn't aware we were talking about children, I thought we were talking about adults. And yes, in this age it would be very hard to find an adult in the developed world who's never used a computer before, even in retirement homes. You're confusing ignorance (a novice) with stupidity (someone who can't check email without breaking the computer).
I don't know about VNC, but I know that Citrix is making a client app for the iPad. I could see that actually being useful for businesses in a Citrix environment - be working at your desk then when you have to go to a meeting, launch the Citrix app on your iPad and everything that was on your desktop is now on the iPad for you to take to the meeting with you.
The iPad is not a computer.
No, the iPad is a computer - the iPad software prevents you from using it as anything other than a media consumption device. There's a big difference.
Personally, I could care less who makes them and who approves them, I just want them free. ;)
Yes, but free apps are worthless if the apps themselves aren't worth using.
Except that the iPhone is infinitely more useful than an iPad due to the fact you can drop it in your pocket. The iPad is a blown up iPhone, and that's a big reason so many people are feeling "meh" about the iPad. I was excited about the iPad until I fully found out it's limitations - then I said "........it doesn't do a damn thing my iPhone doesn't do, so what's the point in buying it?"
The thing really sounds like what most people want for a computer.
Sorry, but I have to disagree. It comes close to being what most people want. However, most people want the full internet and lack of Flash on the iPad prevents that. Most people want to be able to install any program they might choose in order to do task XYZ and unfortunately, that's just not happening with the way the iPhone / iPod Touch / iPad are locked down. Look around the App Store sometime, most of it is utter crap (I have an iPhone and love it, but I can count the number of worthwhile apps on my fingers). Most people also want to be able to easily copy over movies, pictures, and other files - the iPad only allows that for pictures (with the SD reader attachment). The hardware of the iPad is great (well, most people would also like to have a webcam), but the software side of it being so locked down hamstrings it.
All she does is email, browse the web and chat with Skype.
So with an iPad she could email, browse the 75% or so of the web that doesn't involve Flash, and not be able to do video calls on Skype. I can sure see the benefit in paying more money for a device that does 75% of what you want it to do just because it's so hard to set up automatic updates....
If someone is so incapable of using a computer without fucking it up, they don't need a "locked down appliance", they just need to be kept the hell away from computers period. It's akin to saying that "we just need self-driving cars" for incompetent drivers as opposed to just keeping them from getting behind the wheel.
Which is why religion and all other straight-faced magical thinking should be abolished.
Would you include socialism / communism in there? It's no secret that the creators of collectivism ideology completely ignored human behavior and expected people to work hard to support others due to a mythical desire to see everyone happy at their own expense.
this is an appalling indicator of how bad an environment corporatism and unregulated capitalism can create.
If you think that the US has unregulated capitalism, or even just plain capitalism, then you need to come visit the US sometime so you can see how wrong you are.
Instinctively, I want to do just that to try to stop such idiotic laws. However, it's their own damn fault for allowing their government to have such control that they're reaching this point. Seeing as how we constantly have articles about people all over the world in developed countries losing their rights to oppressive governments, I say let it happen and maybe the masses of asses will finally start to realize just why it's a bad thing to have government running every aspect of your life. Any time people try to defend freedom, the average person says "Who cares? I don't use those rights" - so the only way to get them to care is for a right they actually DO care about to be taken away.
In developed countries there is a general sentiment among the people that obeying the law is something that benefits everybody.
Really? While I've noticed that mentality to be true for those I know living in very controlled socialist countries (UK, AU, Germany), here in the US I find the general sentiment to be that laws are created by those in power for their own benefit. It's a minority of the US population that thinks that passing more laws is actually a GOOD thing.
A game for 40 year olds? Well I don't really see too much of a market for "Change the Baby" or "Do Chores Around the House"!
The only winning move is not to play.
I apologize if I'm slightly OT, but with the way companies are going with DRM, that quote is rapidly becoming true.
I'm not banned from the App Store, besides, I've found many more useful apps on the jailbroken app stores than I have from the Apple one.
No, he stated that Windows 7 used more memory than XP. This is true. However, it's extremely misleading because that memory is being used as a form of cache. He didn't lie. He just seems to have been ignorant of how Windows 7 works.
If he wasn't lying, then why would he create a fake name to hide behind for it? Last I checked, giving a legitimate criticism of an OS wasn't something that required anyone to use fake names for.
The term "fanboy" *IS* disparaging.
There are certain people who have a fanatical devotion to a company or platform - these people are the ones who would come up with lies about why the other product is inferior because of their almost religious devotion to their product of choice. That's not disparaging, that's just stating a fact about their views. I suppose you would also call labeling a Muslim a Muslim as "disparaging" or calling a Catholic person "Catholic" as disparaging.
You're defending Windows 7 against "lying Mac or Linux fanboys".
Wrong. I'm simply saying that there are two groups of people who would lie about Windows 7 - Linux or Mac fanboys. I'd say the same (and have plenty of times) if there were lies being spread against Linux and I'd say the same if there were lies being spread about OS X.
Even *if* there were only three groups, you haven't even shown that the person isn't from the same group being attacked. Specifically, a Windows user criticizing Windows 7. People criticize the products they prefer all the time.
Except he wasn't criticizing - he created an alias so that he could spread false claims about Windows 7. There's a difference between "I dislike X because of Y" and going out and intentionally misleading people into thinking your someone else so that you can say "X does Y" when Y is completely false. He was lying and was well aware of it or else he wouldn't have created the alias to hide behind.
Except that boycotting Apple products won't hurt them because too many fanboys will still buy their products and as long as Steve Jobs is running the show, everything will stay locked down at Apple - so you can't try to claim that buying it and jailbreaking it is "encouraging" them, they don't need any encouragement.
I (proud Nexus One owner) would still take Android over Iphone or Windows phones
something empowering about having more freedom and choice than these 2 locked down and bastardized "platforms" where now i cant even download an app with boobies in it!
Yes, because it's so hard to download a 512KB file and run it to jailbreak an iPhone........
I would've preferred an Android phone actually, but when I got a new phone the only Android phones were on T-Mobile.
If you know people that are getting UAC prompts all the time, you need to get with them and figure out exactly why. That shouldn't happen.
Yea, no one should be using Vista - I wouldn't even wish that on my enemies! =D
I have my UAC settings at maximum under Windows 7 and I don't see any UAC prompts for IE.
I don't think anyone is getting them for IE under Windows 7, but I know ones who do under Vista. It's also bullshit that it gives you a UAC prompt just to run a virus manual virus scan (not sure if it still does under Windows 7, I turned them off because on a single user system, they don't serve any purpose than to annoy you).
I call it "spreading lies" because that's what the guy in TFA was doing - making up lies about Windows 7 to make it look inferior to OS X or Linux. I'm also not "disparaging" anyone, I'm simply pointing out that you will only find people with a reason to make false claims about an OS in the fanboy camp of one of the other OS's. I'm not defending anything, merely pointing out that when you have 3 groups and one group is being attacked, it's pretty fucking obvious that it's a member of one of the other two groups.
You're going to run a *chan site..
PedobearChan.org - come on, you know it's coming eventually!
And you totally missed the point about "what two groups of people have cause to spread lies about MS". I guess you were out sick they day they taught common sense in school.