Nothing wrong with being critical when a situation deserves criticism. If you really have read Chomsky you'd know he thinks Clinton sucks as well for bombing Serbia and for the sanctions against Iraq. I'm pretty sure Amy Goodman thinks the same. The Republican Democrat dichotomy is really a false one. When looked at from a geopolitical perspective there is hardly an angstrom of difference between them and in fact Clinton killed ten times as may Iraqis with the cruel sanctions as Bush killed in his pointless war. Further I'd vote for an isolationist like Pat Buchanan before I voted for a war monger like Hilary Clinton. While it's easy to smear people along the Dem Repig lines so favored by our vacuous MSM, the real world is more complicated than that.
So what you are saying in essence is might equals right that those who can't make it in the global market place should be left to suffer at the side of the road? Whatever happened to compassion? It fascinates that so many who claim to be "Christians" are also social Darwanists which is about as far opposite from Christianity as you can get. Now I happen to be secular but I sure wouldn't mind seeing a little more Christian compassion and little less kill em all and let the market sort it out in the U.S. In the long run I think history will judge us rather harshly if as the richest nation in the world we end up giving our poor and downtrodden a great big backhand. Rome comes to mind...
Yeah that why I'm pretty much an anarchist and believe in small consensus oriented decision processes, an oligarchy of the ignorant manipulated masses impresses me no more than straight up tyranny.
And if you had lived without radicals women would not have the vote nor be allowed in the work place, blacks wouldn't have the vote, you'd work a compulsory 70-80 hour work week, etc. Is that the way you want to go? Yes truth tellers may rock the comfortable complacency of people like you who'd rather not think about how your comfort is predicated on the suffering of others, but nonetheless we will continue to get in your face and loudly, count on it. Remember there are literally billions of people in the world who HATE Americans for the misery our government and corperations have spread post WWII. Our government has killed MILLIONS yes that right millions in other lands, 2 million in Vietnam alone. And contrary to what you might think the brown people are NOT happily whistling as they march off to work 80+ hours a week to make your shoes.
There are lots of solutions to bring back good old American self reliance from labor unions to co-ops to prioritizing an ethical lifestyle over having an endless supply of badly made shiny gadgets. What you are really saying is that you don't like the solutions offered, most likely because they threaten some ill gotten gain you have obtained.
There is always a choice, we could tariff goods produced in abusive countries right out of our markets. Perhaps we can't stop globalization in other parts of the world but we could absolutely refuse to be complicit in it here. What's more that type of tariff would have broad popular support bother from isolationist paleo-cons and the radical left. It would lead to increase to workers wages and a revitalization of American research and American industry. It would also send a strong message to the rest of the world that abusive labor practices and short sighted destruction of the environment is not acceptable to Americans and that in turn would put pressure on those countries to clean up there acts by increasing wages, etc, to regain American markets.
When you say there is no choice you sound like a Marxist talking about the "inevitable" triumph of the dictatorship of the proletariat or a Nazi talking about the "1000 year reich." Whenever someone pulls inevitable out of there hat beware, it means they are afraid you ARE going to make a choice that is threatening to their abusive practices.
"So now 300 million people have to pay more for TVs to support the few thousand that make them? No thanks." That sentence in a nutshell is what is wrong with "mainstream" American politics and social commentary through the MSM. The elite is quite willing to see working people left homeless and without health care so they can pay 20-30 bucks less for a tee vee. It's disgusting and what's more I think you know that and simply don't care that your cheaper tee vee causes immense suffering. And you wonder why the streets explode with rage at various times all over the world.
Sure I would the Greens are doing a fine job in Germany. BTW You wingers really need a new insult calling people dirty hippies is soooo 1969. It's the 21st century, hellllo.
Yes I am exactly suggesting we don't invest in China. If they want to fuck their own people then that is their business as a sovereign nation, but for our management and ownership class to enable that exploitation through investment and to benefit from it at the expense of our workers is obscene. Time to go back to American self reliance like the 50s and 60s when American received fair union set wages for their work. Perhaps we'd have slightly fewer shiny trinkets but I'd gladly trade a cheap DVD player for the opportunity to have a a house and health care as the result of the fruits of my labor. And I doubt we'd even give up the trinkets, companies like Zenith and Maytag made appliances and electronics in the 50s and 60s and I'm sure new American companies would come along to pick up the slack if we adopted an isolationist policy of refusing to trade with countries that engage in abusive practices. I strongly advocate an alliance of pitchfork Pat Buchanan isolationist paleo-cons and radical lefties to stop the insidious influence of outsource advocates such as yourself. Sooner or later American workers are going to get tired of working a full work week only to find themselves living in a motel or a car with no health care because their job has been outsourced to someone "bunking" in the third world and those are the lucky ones. It's getting harder and harder to hide the big picture with the rise of the internet and I predict you globalists days are numbered.
"The Health Costs of Wealth Inequality by John Robbins
Not that long ago in this country, you could raise a family on a single paycheck. If you were working, you didn't have to worry about an unexpected medical bill making you homeless. If you were disabled, your basic needs were taken care of, and if you were elderly, you could count on benefits that made your final years restful and safe.
But real wages have been declining since the 1970s, and benefits have been deteriorating. Every year, more working people are losing their pensions and their health insurance.
Meanwhile, our wealth distribution has been becoming increasingly disparate. Today, many corporate executives earn more money in a couple of hours than the average factory worker makes in a year. The wealthiest 1 percent of America's population owns more wealth than the bottom 90 percent combined. And the minimum wage, adjusted for inflation, has fallen by 37 percent since 1968, and become the lowest of any industrialized nation.
What impact is this having on the health of our people?
With 5 percent of the world's population, the United States accounts for nearly 50 percent of the world's healthcare spending, yet ranks only 26th in life expectancy, and 28th in infant mortality. Is it a coincidence that not a single one of the 25 countries that have longer life expectancies than the United States, nor a single one of the 27 countries that have better infant mortality rates, has as wide a wealth gap between its richest and poorest citizens?"
Our middle class is being gutted so our jobs can be replaced by wages so low in the third world that people have to live in bunk houses. I was arguing with an asshole up thread who said those bunk houses were a good thing. You you know what I say, I say screw that, screw bringing all people BOTH here and in the third world down to a subsistence level of living so.01% of the population can live in obscene opulence. And if you can continue to justify such obscenities don't be surprised if the black block trashes your yuppie downtown or people put their foot down in the third world and say enough imperialism and exploitation and elect more Chvezs. You can't fuck people forever and expect no reaction, sooner or later the looting of the world will garner a reaction and you are smug about your globalist looting expect it to be an ugly one.
But YOU wouldn't bunk now would you? Yet you advocate it for others, that's what makes you a hypocrite and an asshole. Screw your oh it's fine for those brown people rationalizations. They are a lie to mask a terrible truth and what's more you know that. A pox on YOUR house I say. After all a house isn't important so why should you mind a pox on it? I'm sure you can find someone to bunk with after it's gone.
Spare me your straw man arguments about communism I'm an anarchist at heart and hate the state as much as you do if not more. What I'm talking about is restoring strong labor unions (a private organization) so American workers are decently compensated for their labor like they were in the 50s and 60s. America was FAR more livable then, there was virtually no homeless problem, fewer ghettos, etc. America is really a pretty rotten place to live in the 21st century and the poverty caused by outsourcing bears a large part of the blame. Do you think people were afraid to walk a couple of blocks to the store to get milk in the 50s and 60s? Why is that? Because basic common labor assured a livelihood including the ability to purchase a home in the 50s & 60s. People who are comfortably housed have no reason to resort to crime. Now you can even work 40+ hours a week and be condemned to living in a car because wages have not kept up an inflated housing market. Is it any wonder that people resort to selling drugs and other crimes that bring quick easy money but lower our quality of life when honest work for many is a suckers game of desperate poverty? I'd take life in 50s or 60s U.S. or in current Europe any day of the week over the shithole of paranoid authoritarian gated communities and ghettos that America has become in the 21st century.
Lets spread some white phosphorus on your ass that burns to the bone. Then I suspect you won't be parsing legal documents in a way that would embarrass Bill Clinton* trying to figure out what the meaning of is, is, no you would want the torturous burning pain to stop. That's what I'm talking about stopping the torturous burning pain gas from being spewed from air planes paid for with my tax dollars. Anything else is just shilling for evil. I'm also talking about stopping Chinese slave labor and people being paid pennies an hour. I'm also talking about stopping the gutting of the American middle class for the short term profit of corporations. Are these things really so hard to understand? Have Americans become so fundamentally morally corrupt that we are willing to accept immense suffering to support our way of life? If so deep shame on us, the same shame that was felt by good Germans, or those who passively accepted Stalin.
*For stupid ass Fox watchers note that I hate Bill Clinton possibly more than even Bush for condemning hundreds of thousands of Iraqis to brutal deaths through starvation and disease with the sanctions he imposed on Iraq year after year. The corrupt Democrats don't impress me even one bit more than the corrupt Republicans.
If it's so nice why don't you sell your big house in the U.S. and bunk together with someone in the third world? Oh that's right I forgot those living conditions are for those other brown people who you are shilling for the exploiters thereof. You know what I call a hypocrite like you who talks about how "nice" it is to bunk up, but won't do so himself? An asshole.
I have zero and I do mean zero interest in catering to misinformed stupid people. Sometimes you have to act on your convictions. Thank god for John Brown and the attack on Harper's ferry. It was direct action like that mobilized people to fight the south on slavery. The moderates of the day were in engaging on long tedious academic debates on whether slaves were human and if so by what percentage. Screw that sometimes you just have to cut through the bullshit spewed by "moderates" and act on behalf of the downtrodden without compromise. The problem with America today is that the word moderate has been enshrined with a warm fuzzy glow when it ought to be a curse word. For moderate means compromising on fundamental ethical issues. If the moderates had won the day we'd still have child labor, 70 hour work weeks, blacks wouldn't be able to vote, women wouldn't be able to vote, and women would be "barefoot and pregnant." Screw that, I say resist evil without compromise.
Voting, what good will that do? 90+% of the time the choice is between a Republican and DLC Clinton "triangulating" Democrat who represents the EXACT same policies at least on important macro scale issues like global economic policy and the environment. While dumbasses argue over flag burning, gay marriage, and the ten commandments on buildings the economic elite laughs their way to the bank regardless of whether a Rep. or De. wins. In 90+% of U.S. elections saying "go vote" has about as much meaning here in the U.S. as it does in Cuba, or the old Soviet Union. Why vote when we are in essence in a one party system that has a virtual consensus on policy issues like war, the global economy and the environment? All voting does is legitimize a corrupt system where BOTH electable parties are in the pocket of Abramoff like corporate lobbyists. Maybe there is a Green here in Michigan running for dog catcher or drain commissioner unopposed and I'll go vote for him or or her, otherwise piss on the "mainstream" parties.
Did you read the fine article? Corporations DON'T want to pay Americans even minimum wage they are outsourcing those jobs in droves to places that pay pennies an hour. When was the last time you saw an American product at Wal Mart? And they only pay the clerks and cleaning people at Wal Mart minimum wage because they can't outsource those jobs that must be done locally and because the law compels them to pay these people a very low minimum wage. Hint Wal Mart is America's biggest employer, and then beyond Wal Mart there are millions of workers at other big box stores, restaurants, etc, who are equally screwed. 1 in 6 Americans who no health insurance whatsoever, i.e. they'd be better off living in Cuba or Venezuela where at least could get decent health care. Keep shilling for pure evil some us know better and aren't buying the shit you people spew anymore.
And yes this does relate to I.T. work as globalization hollows out our I.T. industry increasing numbers of Americans WILL wind up in service jobs. And not only does this hurt Americans but the person in the third world replacing the American will be paid a pitance compared to the wage the American made. You've heard of win-win situations. Well this one is lose-lose.
"WAL-MART'S DIRTY SECRET Millions of young Chinese men can find neither money nor love because many of the relatively few available single women are being beaten and raped while producing products for the USA, Canada and other world markets in death camps called laogai.
chinese sweat shops
Or they "voluntarily" work backbreaking hours in what amount to slave labor camps, where the National Labor Committee for Human Rights has documented 98-hour workweeks in factories over 100F, a ban on talking during work hours, 24-hour surveillance, and compulsory unpaid overtime.
Top wages are 10 cents an hour.
Average pay in China's "Special Economic Zones" is three cents an hour.
Other workers are paid just 36 cents for more than a month's work--making just 8/100th of a cent an hour.
At the Qin Shi factory, thousands of women work 98 hours a week making Kathie Lee handbags that retail for $8.76 at Wal-Mart. They are paid less than $22 a week. In air thick with dust and chemical solvents, workers handle toxic glues without gloves alongside machines that roar like express trains. The whole production line must often remain at work unpaid for an extra three to four hours, until the inhuman daily quotas are met."
China's booming economy continues to increase through its use of slave labor or Laogai camps. Laogai means "reform through labor." It's a system of prison factories and detention centers set up by former Chinese leader Mao Zedong during the 1950's as a means to re-educate through labor and increase economic gain for the People's Republic of China. As of 1979, there were apparently only several thousand people being forced to work in the Laogai system. Today it has become an enormous source of free labor and financial profit for the Chinese government. According to estimates from the Laogai Research Foundation, there are 6.8 million people incarcerated in China's 1,100 labor institutions.
For those incarcerated in these facilities, the reality they face is long hours of brutal treatment with little sleep or food to sustain themselves. Reports of 20-hour work days and violent oppression force some detainees to choose suicide instead of being beaten, starved, or worked to death according to a paper by Stephen D. Marshall, "Chinese Laogai: a hidden role in 'Developing Tibet." Others mutilate or injure themselves in an effort to avoid the work. Inmates who fall behind or refuse to work are shocked with electric batons, beaten, sexually assaulted, or thrown into solitary confinement. Among those that make up the population in these labor camps are criminals, political prisoners, and practitioners of the spiritual practice Falun Gong, who reportedly now make up to half of those detained in the Laogai labor system.
Who Uses Slave Labor?
Forced labor has become both a form a torture and a source of great profit for China. With the enormous amount of free labor that comes from Laogai, China has lured many overseas businesses into its profit-through-slave-labor system. With ridiculously cheap wholesale labor costs many cannot resist the bait and unknowingly come to support this illegal practice.
Common everyday products ranging from artificial Christmas trees, Christmas tree lights, bracelets, tools and foodstuffs, et cetera are among some of the products manufactured and exported from these facilities. According to a 1998 House Committee on International Relations report, companies who reportedly have or had products made in China's Laogai are Midas, Staples, Chrysler, and Nestle. A recent report from one detainee in the Changji Labor Camp in Xinjiang states the Tianshan Wooltex Stock Corporation Ltd., a contractor to Changji Labor Camp, makes products for overseas companies such as Banana Republic, Neiman Marcus, Bon Genie, Holt
Nice ad hominem attack do you have any substantive facts to back up your little snit? I had two cites from the source I was defending proving that Democracy Now actually broke stories using serious investigative reporting. Do you have anything similar or just empty rhetoric. I'm waiting...
America has become a sad place when speaking the truth plainly without some sort of "moderate" nicey, nicey nodding in the direction of the Fox corporate blow hards is considered "lunatic fringe." Remember it was people protesting and striking that brought us the 40 hour work, that got black people the votes, that got women the vote, that helped end the Vietnam war, earth day that brought us NEPA, getting the picture? If you think the regressive forces of the world will give up their ill gotten privileges without loud protest you are kidding yourself. Moderates never got shit in history except some Uncle Tom pats on the back, it's radicals that got the goods time after time. From the founding fathers who used gasp violence against the "legitimate" British government to the current radicals like ACT UP who brought gay rights into the forefront in the late 80s the powers that be have to be pushed against if you want to gain any ground, count on it.
Nader in 2000 and Leonard Pelteir in 2004. I sure as hell wasn't going to vote for John "100,000 troops more troops for Iraq" Kerry. Nor will I vote for Hilary who is just as in pocket of the attack Iran AIPAC as Dick Cheney. Screw BOTH the Republicans and Democrats. Even though I'm a left decentralist I'd vote for Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, or Paul Craig Roberts before I voted for 99+% of the sold our DLC Dems. At least paleo-cons and Libertarians know that we should be small decentralized Republic and not an empire. In fact screw the Dems doubly for being a weak ineffective opposition. Who spoke out against torture this week the Republican McCain and then he of course collapsed. Bottom line there are NO moral choices available to vote for at the national level,period end of story,so I might as well vote for a Green, Libertarian or paleo-con as a protest vote.
Pressed your brown shirt lately? That's what the Nazi thugs did beat up people on the streets they didn't like. It's not funny it just makes you look like a goon wannabe. Hint I don't beat up too easy I was a tree sitter and got pretty tough using all that rock climbing equipment.
Yeah I'll go watch the lying MSM that told us that there were WMDs in Iraq for sure. Oh you mean Chalabi and "Curveball" stovepiped false "intelligence" to Cheney and the MSM reported these lies verbatim without any questioning whatsoever from "liberal" CNN/NYTs/NPR to Fox all the same story? What a shock. And their reporting on environmental and economic issues is just as distorted. No life is too short to be lied to by the MSM, I value my time more than that. Just because large swaths of the American public are being lied and dazzled by flashy graphics and news anchor bimbos peddling celebrity gossip, fear mongering about the in fact very small dangers posed by terrorism ans pedophilia, and endless stories on missing white girls doesn't mean that I have to fall into the same trap. I am far more interested in hard numbers and facts on what the power elite is actually up and the MSM is the last place to find that information.
Yes lets use slave labor like China that would be awfully "competitive" wouldn't it? Can't get cheaper than slave labor right, and we must do the "competitive" cheap thing, right? That's the secret behind the rhetoric of you business school management/economist types, you want to reduce all environmental and labor regulations to lowest common denominator in the world. I.e. you want to reduce us ALL everywhere to poverty infested third world shit holes like Brazil where.0001% of the population controls the wealth instead of the upper 10% as is currently the case in the U.S. Well some of us so see through your insidious game of looting the world through outsourcing, spiraling downward wages, and the eliminating environmental regulations, and corporate taxes, etc, and we will fight you tooth and nail every step of the way, count on it. Want to see more Hugo Chavez's in the world? Keep pushing it... Hint Chavez got a 5 minute ovation after his speech at the U.N. where he waved a Chomsky book around and called Bush the devil. There are a lot of people in the world who are utterly disgusted with the behavior of the corporate and government elite who think they control the levers of finance and power. If people get enraged at the level of suffering caused by corporate globalization and imperialist actions of government the elite may come to find out their power is very thin and brittle indeed.
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Nothing wrong with being critical when a situation deserves criticism. If you really have read Chomsky you'd know he thinks Clinton sucks as well for bombing Serbia and for the sanctions against Iraq. I'm pretty sure Amy Goodman thinks the same. The Republican Democrat dichotomy is really a false one. When looked at from a geopolitical perspective there is hardly an angstrom of difference between them and in fact Clinton killed ten times as may Iraqis with the cruel sanctions as Bush killed in his pointless war. Further I'd vote for an isolationist like Pat Buchanan before I voted for a war monger like Hilary Clinton. While it's easy to smear people along the Dem Repig lines so favored by our vacuous MSM, the real world is more complicated than that.
So what you are saying in essence is might equals right that those who can't make it in the global market place should be left to suffer at the side of the road? Whatever happened to compassion? It fascinates that so many who claim to be "Christians" are also social Darwanists which is about as far opposite from Christianity as you can get. Now I happen to be secular but I sure wouldn't mind seeing a little more Christian compassion and little less kill em all and let the market sort it out in the U.S. In the long run I think history will judge us rather harshly if as the richest nation in the world we end up giving our poor and downtrodden a great big backhand. Rome comes to mind...
Yeah that why I'm pretty much an anarchist and believe in small consensus oriented decision processes, an oligarchy of the ignorant manipulated masses impresses me no more than straight up tyranny.
And if you had lived without radicals women would not have the vote nor be allowed in the work place, blacks wouldn't have the vote, you'd work a compulsory 70-80 hour work week, etc. Is that the way you want to go? Yes truth tellers may rock the comfortable complacency of people like you who'd rather not think about how your comfort is predicated on the suffering of others, but nonetheless we will continue to get in your face and loudly, count on it. Remember there are literally billions of people in the world who HATE Americans for the misery our government and corperations have spread post WWII. Our government has killed MILLIONS yes that right millions in other lands, 2 million in Vietnam alone. And contrary to what you might think the brown people are NOT happily whistling as they march off to work 80+ hours a week to make your shoes.
There are lots of solutions to bring back good old American self reliance from labor unions to co-ops to prioritizing an ethical lifestyle over having an endless supply of badly made shiny gadgets. What you are really saying is that you don't like the solutions offered, most likely because they threaten some ill gotten gain you have obtained.
There is always a choice, we could tariff goods produced in abusive countries right out of our markets. Perhaps we can't stop globalization in other parts of the world but we could absolutely refuse to be complicit in it here. What's more that type of tariff would have broad popular support bother from isolationist paleo-cons and the radical left. It would lead to increase to workers wages and a revitalization of American research and American industry. It would also send a strong message to the rest of the world that abusive labor practices and short sighted destruction of the environment is not acceptable to Americans and that in turn would put pressure on those countries to clean up there acts by increasing wages, etc, to regain American markets.
When you say there is no choice you sound like a Marxist talking about the "inevitable" triumph of the dictatorship of the proletariat or a Nazi talking about the "1000 year reich." Whenever someone pulls inevitable out of there hat beware, it means they are afraid you ARE going to make a choice that is threatening to their abusive practices.
"So now 300 million people have to pay more for TVs to support the few thousand that make them? No thanks." That sentence in a nutshell is what is wrong with "mainstream" American politics and social commentary through the MSM. The elite is quite willing to see working people left homeless and without health care so they can pay 20-30 bucks less for a tee vee. It's disgusting and what's more I think you know that and simply don't care that your cheaper tee vee causes immense suffering. And you wonder why the streets explode with rage at various times all over the world.
Sure I would the Greens are doing a fine job in Germany. BTW You wingers really need a new insult calling people dirty hippies is soooo 1969. It's the 21st century, hellllo.
Yes I am exactly suggesting we don't invest in China. If they want to fuck their own people then that is their business as a sovereign nation, but for our management and ownership class to enable that exploitation through investment and to benefit from it at the expense of our workers is obscene. Time to go back to American self reliance like the 50s and 60s when American received fair union set wages for their work. Perhaps we'd have slightly fewer shiny trinkets but I'd gladly trade a cheap DVD player for the opportunity to have a a house and health care as the result of the fruits of my labor. And I doubt we'd even give up the trinkets, companies like Zenith and Maytag made appliances and electronics in the 50s and 60s and I'm sure new American companies would come along to pick up the slack if we adopted an isolationist policy of refusing to trade with countries that engage in abusive practices. I strongly advocate an alliance of pitchfork Pat Buchanan isolationist paleo-cons and radical lefties to stop the insidious influence of outsource advocates such as yourself. Sooner or later American workers are going to get tired of working a full work week only to find themselves living in a motel or a car with no health care because their job has been outsourced to someone "bunking" in the third world and those are the lucky ones. It's getting harder and harder to hide the big picture with the rise of the internet and I predict you globalists days are numbered.
"The Health Costs of Wealth Inequality
.01% of the population can live in obscene opulence. And if you can continue to justify such obscenities don't be surprised if the black block trashes your yuppie downtown or people put their foot down in the third world and say enough imperialism and exploitation and elect more Chvezs. You can't fuck people forever and expect no reaction, sooner or later the looting of the world will garner a reaction and you are smug about your globalist looting expect it to be an ugly one.
by John Robbins
Not that long ago in this country, you could raise a family on a single paycheck. If you were working, you didn't have to worry about an unexpected medical bill making you homeless. If you were disabled, your basic needs were taken care of, and if you were elderly, you could count on benefits that made your final years restful and safe.
But real wages have been declining since the 1970s, and benefits have been deteriorating. Every year, more working people are losing their pensions and their health insurance.
Meanwhile, our wealth distribution has been becoming increasingly disparate. Today, many corporate executives earn more money in a couple of hours than the average factory worker makes in a year. The wealthiest 1 percent of America's population owns more wealth than the bottom 90 percent combined. And the minimum wage, adjusted for inflation, has fallen by 37 percent since 1968, and become the lowest of any industrialized nation.
What impact is this having on the health of our people?
With 5 percent of the world's population, the United States accounts for nearly 50 percent of the world's healthcare spending, yet ranks only 26th in life expectancy, and 28th in infant mortality. Is it a coincidence that not a single one of the 25 countries that have longer life expectancies than the United States, nor a single one of the 27 countries that have better infant mortality rates, has as wide a wealth gap between its richest and poorest citizens?"
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1001-29.htm
Our middle class is being gutted so our jobs can be replaced by wages so low in the third world that people have to live in bunk houses. I was arguing with an asshole up thread who said those bunk houses were a good thing. You you know what I say, I say screw that, screw bringing all people BOTH here and in the third world down to a subsistence level of living so
But YOU wouldn't bunk now would you? Yet you advocate it for others, that's what makes you a hypocrite and an asshole. Screw your oh it's fine for those brown people rationalizations. They are a lie to mask a terrible truth and what's more you know that. A pox on YOUR house I say. After all a house isn't important so why should you mind a pox on it? I'm sure you can find someone to bunk with after it's gone.
Spare me your straw man arguments about communism I'm an anarchist at heart and hate the state as much as you do if not more. What I'm talking about is restoring strong labor unions (a private organization) so American workers are decently compensated for their labor like they were in the 50s and 60s. America was FAR more livable then, there was virtually no homeless problem, fewer ghettos, etc. America is really a pretty rotten place to live in the 21st century and the poverty caused by outsourcing bears a large part of the blame. Do you think people were afraid to walk a couple of blocks to the store to get milk in the 50s and 60s? Why is that? Because basic common labor assured a livelihood including the ability to purchase a home in the 50s & 60s. People who are comfortably housed have no reason to resort to crime. Now you can even work 40+ hours a week and be condemned to living in a car because wages have not kept up an inflated housing market. Is it any wonder that people resort to selling drugs and other crimes that bring quick easy money but lower our quality of life when honest work for many is a suckers game of desperate poverty? I'd take life in 50s or 60s U.S. or in current Europe any day of the week over the shithole of paranoid authoritarian gated communities and ghettos that America has become in the 21st century.
Lets spread some white phosphorus on your ass that burns to the bone. Then I suspect you won't be parsing legal documents in a way that would embarrass Bill Clinton* trying to figure out what the meaning of is, is, no you would want the torturous burning pain to stop. That's what I'm talking about stopping the torturous burning pain gas from being spewed from air planes paid for with my tax dollars. Anything else is just shilling for evil. I'm also talking about stopping Chinese slave labor and people being paid pennies an hour. I'm also talking about stopping the gutting of the American middle class for the short term profit of corporations. Are these things really so hard to understand? Have Americans become so fundamentally morally corrupt that we are willing to accept immense suffering to support our way of life? If so deep shame on us, the same shame that was felt by good Germans, or those who passively accepted Stalin.
*For stupid ass Fox watchers note that I hate Bill Clinton possibly more than even Bush for condemning hundreds of thousands of Iraqis to brutal deaths through starvation and disease with the sanctions he imposed on Iraq year after year. The corrupt Democrats don't impress me even one bit more than the corrupt Republicans.
If it's so nice why don't you sell your big house in the U.S. and bunk together with someone in the third world? Oh that's right I forgot those living conditions are for those other brown people who you are shilling for the exploiters thereof. You know what I call a hypocrite like you who talks about how "nice" it is to bunk up, but won't do so himself? An asshole.
I have zero and I do mean zero interest in catering to misinformed stupid people. Sometimes you have to act on your convictions. Thank god for John Brown and the attack on Harper's ferry. It was direct action like that mobilized people to fight the south on slavery. The moderates of the day were in engaging on long tedious academic debates on whether slaves were human and if so by what percentage. Screw that sometimes you just have to cut through the bullshit spewed by "moderates" and act on behalf of the downtrodden without compromise. The problem with America today is that the word moderate has been enshrined with a warm fuzzy glow when it ought to be a curse word. For moderate means compromising on fundamental ethical issues. If the moderates had won the day we'd still have child labor, 70 hour work weeks, blacks wouldn't be able to vote, women wouldn't be able to vote, and women would be "barefoot and pregnant." Screw that, I say resist evil without compromise.
Voting, what good will that do? 90+% of the time the choice is between a Republican and DLC Clinton "triangulating" Democrat who represents the EXACT same policies at least on important macro scale issues like global economic policy and the environment. While dumbasses argue over flag burning, gay marriage, and the ten commandments on buildings the economic elite laughs their way to the bank regardless of whether a Rep. or De. wins. In 90+% of U.S. elections saying "go vote" has about as much meaning here in the U.S. as it does in Cuba, or the old Soviet Union. Why vote when we are in essence in a one party system that has a virtual consensus on policy issues like war, the global economy and the environment? All voting does is legitimize a corrupt system where BOTH electable parties are in the pocket of Abramoff like corporate lobbyists. Maybe there is a Green here in Michigan running for dog catcher or drain commissioner unopposed and I'll go vote for him or or her, otherwise piss on the "mainstream" parties.
Did you read the fine article? Corporations DON'T want to pay Americans even minimum wage they are outsourcing those jobs in droves to places that pay pennies an hour. When was the last time you saw an American product at Wal Mart? And they only pay the clerks and cleaning people at Wal Mart minimum wage because they can't outsource those jobs that must be done locally and because the law compels them to pay these people a very low minimum wage. Hint Wal Mart is America's biggest employer, and then beyond Wal Mart there are millions of workers at other big box stores, restaurants, etc, who are equally screwed. 1 in 6 Americans who no health insurance whatsoever, i.e. they'd be better off living in Cuba or Venezuela where at least could get decent health care. Keep shilling for pure evil some us know better and aren't buying the shit you people spew anymore.
And yes this does relate to I.T. work as globalization hollows out our I.T. industry increasing numbers of Americans WILL wind up in service jobs. And not only does this hurt Americans but the person in the third world replacing the American will be paid a pitance compared to the wage the American made. You've heard of win-win situations. Well this one is lose-lose.
See for example:
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"WAL-MART'S DIRTY SECRET
Millions of young Chinese men can find neither money nor love because many of the relatively few available single women are being beaten and raped while producing products for the USA, Canada and other world markets in death camps called laogai.
chinese sweat shops
Or they "voluntarily" work backbreaking hours in what amount to slave labor camps, where the National Labor Committee for Human Rights has documented 98-hour workweeks in factories over 100F, a ban on talking during work hours, 24-hour surveillance, and compulsory unpaid overtime.
Top wages are 10 cents an hour.
Average pay in China's "Special Economic Zones" is three cents an hour.
Other workers are paid just 36 cents for more than a month's work--making just 8/100th of a cent an hour.
At the Qin Shi factory, thousands of women work 98 hours a week making Kathie Lee handbags that retail for $8.76 at Wal-Mart. They are paid less than $22 a week. In air thick with dust and chemical solvents, workers handle toxic glues without gloves alongside machines that roar like express trains. The whole production line must often remain at work unpaid for an extra three to four hours, until the inhuman daily quotas are met."
http://www.willthomas.net/Convergence/Weekly/China
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"Free and Endless Supply of Workers
China's booming economy continues to increase through its use of slave labor or Laogai camps. Laogai means "reform through labor." It's a system of prison factories and detention centers set up by former Chinese leader Mao Zedong during the 1950's as a means to re-educate through labor and increase economic gain for the People's Republic of China. As of 1979, there were apparently only several thousand people being forced to work in the Laogai system. Today it has become an enormous source of free labor and financial profit for the Chinese government. According to estimates from the Laogai Research Foundation, there are 6.8 million people incarcerated in China's 1,100 labor institutions.
For those incarcerated in these facilities, the reality they face is long hours of brutal treatment with little sleep or food to sustain themselves. Reports of 20-hour work days and violent oppression force some detainees to choose suicide instead of being beaten, starved, or worked to death according to a paper by Stephen D. Marshall, "Chinese Laogai: a hidden role in 'Developing Tibet." Others mutilate or injure themselves in an effort to avoid the work. Inmates who fall behind or refuse to work are shocked with electric batons, beaten, sexually assaulted, or thrown into solitary confinement. Among those that make up the population in these labor camps are criminals, political prisoners, and practitioners of the spiritual practice Falun Gong, who reportedly now make up to half of those detained in the Laogai labor system.
Who Uses Slave Labor?
Forced labor has become both a form a torture and a source of great profit for China. With the enormous amount of free labor that comes from Laogai, China has lured many overseas businesses into its profit-through-slave-labor system. With ridiculously cheap wholesale labor costs many cannot resist the bait and unknowingly come to support this illegal practice.
Common everyday products ranging from artificial Christmas trees, Christmas tree lights, bracelets, tools and foodstuffs, et cetera are among some of the products manufactured and exported from these facilities. According to a 1998 House Committee on International Relations report, companies who reportedly have or had products made in China's Laogai are Midas, Staples, Chrysler, and Nestle. A recent report from one detainee in the Changji Labor Camp in Xinjiang states the Tianshan Wooltex Stock Corporation Ltd., a contractor to Changji Labor Camp, makes products for overseas companies such as Banana Republic, Neiman Marcus, Bon Genie, Holt
Nice ad hominem attack do you have any substantive facts to back up your little snit? I had two cites from the source I was defending proving that Democracy Now actually broke stories using serious investigative reporting. Do you have anything similar or just empty rhetoric. I'm waiting...
America has become a sad place when speaking the truth plainly without some sort of "moderate" nicey, nicey nodding in the direction of the Fox corporate blow hards is considered "lunatic fringe." Remember it was people protesting and striking that brought us the 40 hour work, that got black people the votes, that got women the vote, that helped end the Vietnam war, earth day that brought us NEPA, getting the picture? If you think the regressive forces of the world will give up their ill gotten privileges without loud protest you are kidding yourself. Moderates never got shit in history except some Uncle Tom pats on the back, it's radicals that got the goods time after time. From the founding fathers who used gasp violence against the "legitimate" British government to the current radicals like ACT UP who brought gay rights into the forefront in the late 80s the powers that be have to be pushed against if you want to gain any ground, count on it.
Nader in 2000 and Leonard Pelteir in 2004. I sure as hell wasn't going to vote for John "100,000 troops more troops for Iraq" Kerry. Nor will I vote for Hilary who is just as in pocket of the attack Iran AIPAC as Dick Cheney. Screw BOTH the Republicans and Democrats. Even though I'm a left decentralist I'd vote for Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, or Paul Craig Roberts before I voted for 99+% of the sold our DLC Dems. At least paleo-cons and Libertarians know that we should be small decentralized Republic and not an empire. In fact screw the Dems doubly for being a weak ineffective opposition. Who spoke out against torture this week the Republican McCain and then he of course collapsed. Bottom line there are NO moral choices available to vote for at the national level,period end of story,so I might as well vote for a Green, Libertarian or paleo-con as a protest vote.
Pressed your brown shirt lately? That's what the Nazi thugs did beat up people on the streets they didn't like. It's not funny it just makes you look like a goon wannabe. Hint I don't beat up too easy I was a tree sitter and got pretty tough using all that rock climbing equipment.
You said a mouthful there and wise. I hope people are listening.
Yeah I'll go watch the lying MSM that told us that there were WMDs in Iraq for sure. Oh you mean Chalabi and "Curveball" stovepiped false "intelligence" to Cheney and the MSM reported these lies verbatim without any questioning whatsoever from "liberal" CNN/NYTs/NPR to Fox all the same story? What a shock. And their reporting on environmental and economic issues is just as distorted. No life is too short to be lied to by the MSM, I value my time more than that. Just because large swaths of the American public are being lied and dazzled by flashy graphics and news anchor bimbos peddling celebrity gossip, fear mongering about the in fact very small dangers posed by terrorism ans pedophilia, and endless stories on missing white girls doesn't mean that I have to fall into the same trap. I am far more interested in hard numbers and facts on what the power elite is actually up and the MSM is the last place to find that information.
Yes lets use slave labor like China that would be awfully "competitive" wouldn't it? Can't get cheaper than slave labor right, and we must do the "competitive" cheap thing, right? That's the secret behind the rhetoric of you business school management/economist types, you want to reduce all environmental and labor regulations to lowest common denominator in the world. I.e. you want to reduce us ALL everywhere to poverty infested third world shit holes like Brazil where .0001% of the population controls the wealth instead of the upper 10% as is currently the case in the U.S. Well some of us so see through your insidious game of looting the world through outsourcing, spiraling downward wages, and the eliminating environmental regulations, and corporate taxes, etc, and we will fight you tooth and nail every step of the way, count on it. Want to see more Hugo Chavez's in the world? Keep pushing it... Hint Chavez got a 5 minute ovation after his speech at the U.N. where he waved a Chomsky book around and called Bush the devil. There are a lot of people in the world who are utterly disgusted with the behavior of the corporate and government elite who think they control the levers of finance and power. If people get enraged at the level of suffering caused by corporate globalization and imperialist actions of government the elite may come to find out their power is very thin and brittle indeed.