There is no balancing involved whatsoever. BOTH American and third world I.T. workers make LESS as companies scour the world for the cheapest wages they can find. And the I.T. work only benefits a tiny sliver of the billion + people in both China and India something like quite literally.001%. How can you honestly call something that benefits.001& in the third world a little bit while the rest of the world is suffering a setback a balancing? It's a disingenuous use of that word i.e. a lie. What's more I think you people who peddle these falsehoods are engaging in deliberate mendacities i.e. you are shilling to cover some ones ass in the elite. Shame on you I hope you sleep very poorly at night.
You've never actually listened to Democracy Now have you? Amy Goodman has broken a lot of stories with serious investigative journalism like following the deposed president of Haiti Aristide to Jamaica after he was ousted in U.S. backed coup. Or being the first to report on the use of white phosphorus as a chemical weapon against the Iraqi people which was latter admitted by the U.S. government:
As for Noam Chomsky he has been documenting U.S. war crimes in places from Nicaragua to Vietnam for 40 years now. He is an American hero and if the MSM dared to give him a voice and people were made aware of the level of violence the U.S.government has committed against the world we might see new leadership in the U.S. and live in a much more ethical country. Of course we will never see that because it would threaten the corporate bottom line.
If you were to listen to Democracy Now and read a Chomsky book you might actually learn something. Of course it's much easier to not to read or listen and just smear with a cheap ad hominem attack, right?
Wow you are misinformed about almost EVERYTHING in your post. The blue color was very behind the anti-globalization protests in Seattle in 1999. In fact the largest contingent was labor unions, out of roughly 50,000 people there 20,000 were from mainstream blue color labor unions:
"Instead, he opted to let the AFL-CIO march proceed, a move that aimed as many as 20,000 more people toward downtown as skirmishes between police, demonstrators and anarchist vandals were escalating."
If you read this entire article you would also find out that far from being "dirty hippies," the anarchists were in fact better organized and had more effective tactics than either the cops or the unions. The anarchists were using in essence a non violent version of "4th generation warfare" with affinity groups and organized intelligence with cell phones, instant messaging, and live updates on the indymedia.org web site.
Finally far from turning people off from being against globalization the Seattle demonstrations were the first time most people had even heard of the globalization issue. Seattle put globalization, sweat shops, etc, on the map as a topic of political discussion in the U.S. Who outside of a few academics and inside players had even heard of the WTO before Seattle?
So in sum you are wrong about everything in your post. I suggest you stop watching so much MSM and so some research before you just spout off.
Nice try at creating a false wedge that doesn't exist. This isn't a Republican v.s. Dem thing Paul Craig Roberts who wrote this article that I submitted was deputy secretary of the treasury under REAGAN. Meanwhile Bill Clinton pushed all the alphabet soup of trade agreements like WIPO (World intellectual property organization DRM and patent law ring a bell), the WTO, and NAFTA ALL happened under Clinton. Pat Buchanan a conservative is very against globalization. So this isn't a "liberal" CNN v.s. conservative thing, but a populist grass roots on both the right and left concerned with the fate of workers and global downward pressure on wages v.s. a greedy corporate and government elite lining their pockets at the expense of quite literally 90+% of the people of the world. The greedy ownership, management and government elite may kill the goose that is laying their golden egg though there is only so much crap people will take before they put a Chavez or a Pat Buchanan in power who will put a halt to this shit.
Parent asked: "How, exactly, do you propose keeping your salary artificially high without it coming at the expense of others?"
Simple, the reverse of globalization pay people here a living wage and create an upward pressure on wages as opposed to the downward pressure on wages created by corporation scouring the globe for cheap labor. Strong labor unions would be a good start for creating this upward pressure on wages. Oh and maybe a CEO making a hundred million a year might have to take a pay cut to help pay for it, they might have to sacrifice their third multimillion dollar vacation home in Europe sniff boo-hoo.
And don't give me any b.s. about how that will lower worker productivity. If that was true how do you explain the productivity and innovation coming from companies in Europe like Nokia, Saab, Porsche, BMW, Daimler Chrysler, etc? These companies somehow manage to do fine in quasi socialist European economies. What I'm proposing isn't even as socialist as Europe rather than the government collecting hefty taxes or owning corporations I propose that unions as a private pressure group strengthen themselves to keep workers from being washed down the drain of the downward spiral of wages created by globalization. If Starbuck's wage slaves who often even aren't an educated elite like I.T. workers can manage to organize themselves into unions despite tremendous pressure not to, so can highly educated and highly motivated I.T. workers.
Another important reform would be to revoke corporate personhood and charter corporations to be responsible to the communities they operate within. Also revoking limited liability would help as CEOs would suddenly be responsible for the actions of the corporation if they CHOSE to engage in irresponsible criminal behavior such as cooking the books to maintain offshore shell companies, etc.
So in sum parent poster there are many well thought out answers to your question. And your response?
What a lying sack of shit the parent post is, it's all about reducing labor costs so a thin layer of owners and managers can make hundreds of millions if not billions a year while BOTH Americans and people in the third world suffer terribly. Hint.001% of Indians will become coders and engineers and even that elite they will be paid probably a quarter of what an American would make at the same job and the rest of India, Vietnam, China, etc will work sweatshop jobs for pennies an hour. Globalization is a bad deal for BOTH Americans and people in the third word. As corporations scour the world for the lowest wages possible it creates downward pressure on wages for all of us. Unless we wake up to this fact and reign in the corporations they will continue to bend us over and have their way with us.
Maybe YOU said globalization was a good thing but speak for yourself I was very much in favor of the protests against the WTO meetings in Seattle in 1999. I didn't go but many of my friends did and got tear gassed for their troubles. Looks like us rads were right about globalization just like we were right to protest the disaster of the war in Iraq. Maybe it's time the MSM stopped laughing at rads and started listening, and giving our views some air time considering our excellent track record over the past 10 years. Giving Noam Chomsky an Amy Goodman more MSM air time would be a good start.
One word telescreen. Sure if it's voluntary it would be fine, but how long would it remain voluntary? Remember our (U.S. citizen here) president just gave himself the power to tap our phones at his own discretion with no oversight except for blanket authorization of the program. The idea of a life hard drive in our current society gives me nightmares thinking of the possibilities. Hint if the British had, had this technology in 1776 you'd be living in the British commonwealth of the Americas and Franklin, Jefferson, Washington, etc, would be know to history as terrorist traitors to the legitimate authority of the British state. Think hard before you jump for joy over this one.
Capitalist pigs screw over the academic system just like they screw their workers and customers. Oink, oink pig, bring the noise insulted Libertarians I'll be interested to see how you defend this one.
...is capitalism makes you a dumbass who rejects education. Thanks for playing and I'll be sure to tell all my earth crunchy co-op friends that sentiment was straight from the capitalist shills mouth.
Perhaps it would be better to be self sufficient non supper power like the Swiss. They have an equally high standard of living to the U.S., a lose decentralized government where power is local and accountable, no one in the middle east wants to blow up their citizens, and their money ends being spent of their citizens and not foreign misadventures, what's not to like?
Here's how well loved you are in Iraq imperialist scum bag:
"Millions of Iraqis believe that suicide attacks against British troops are justified, a secret military poll commissioned by senior officers has revealed.
The poll, undertaken for the Ministry of Defence and seen by The Sunday Telegraph, shows that up to 65 per cent of Iraqi citizens support attacks and fewer than one per cent think Allied military involvement is helping to improve security in their country.
It demonstrates for the first time the true strength of anti-Western feeling in Iraq after more than two and a half years of bloody occupation."
And even more Iraqis support the U.S. leaving peacefully and don't trust the U.S. occupiers:
"Four out of five Iraqis report holding a negative view of the U.S. occupation authority and of coalition forces, according to a new poll conducted for the occupation authority.
In the poll, 80 percent of the Iraqis questioned reported a lack of confidence in the Coalition Provisional Authority, and 82 percent said they disapprove of the U.S. and allied militaries in Iraq."
And that was in 2004 before the torture at Abu Gharaib had been revealed to the world, the numbers are no doubt worse now.
You aren't wanted you aren't needed, get gone already.
You sed: "None of my Marines would ever grab a civilian to hide behind while advancing on an enemy position. We would never kidnap the children of a family and threaten to kill the kids if the family didn't allow a weapons or bomb cache to be located in the house. And we sure as hell would never drive a carbomb into a crowd of kids hoping to kill as many of them as we could just so it would make the evening news."
No instead you bomb an ENTIRE CITY into rubble killing hundreds if not thousands and making life miserable for tens of thousands of people of now homeless people. You would then write off that great number of civilian dead as collateral damage.
"The video shows a good deal of the damage to the city (2/3s of buildings damaged) and has some graphic shots of the dead. At one point the health workers excavate a shallow grave with a body bag. They look inside and say "Atfal"-- "children." Someone had had to bury them hastily."
" * On 9 November, CNN Correspondent Karl Penhaul reported the use of cluster bombs in the offensive: "The sky over Falluja seems to explode as U.S. Marines launch their much-trumpeted ground assault. War planes drop cluster bombs on insurgent positions and artillery batteries fire smoke rounds to conceal a Marine advance."[17]
* November 10, 2004 reports by the Washington Post suggest that US armed forces used white phosphorus grenades and/or artillery shells, creating walls of fire in the city. Doctors working inside Fallujah report seeing melted corpses of suspected insurgents.[18] The use of WP ammunition was confirmed from various independent sources, including US troops who had suffered WP burns due to 'friendly fire'. On November 16, 2005 The Independent reported that Pentagon spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Barry Venable "disclosed that (white phosphorus) had been used to dislodge enemy fighters from entrenched positions in the city"..."We use them primarily as obscurants, for smokescreens or target marking in some cases. However it is an incendiary weapon and may be used against enemy combatants." [19] But a day before, Robert Tuttle the US ambassador to London denied that white phos
Parent sed: "To the extent it has to be prevented elsewhere, that's where we have to go." Yeah you mean like Iraq's "WMDs" oops. Why would I believe the lying sacks of shit in our government Dem. or Rep. when they claim we are in danger of being attacked? "Our" government throughout history has consistently lied before going to war. The Gulf of Tonkin incident that didn't actually happen ring a bell? Or how about the coal explosion on the "Maine" blamed on the Spanish to jump start the Spanish American war? Anyone who believes governments reasons for going to war is an utter fool.
Furthermore preventive war was the casus belli used by the Nazis. Nice company you keep there dumbass. I'll stick with the prudence of the founding fathers and urge the military only be used in direct response to a military attack on our soil.
And you are also wrong about the Taliban turning over Bin Laden it was BUSH that broke off negotiations not the Taliban he then attacked Afghanistan outside the legal channels of international law using a coalition of the willing which is a shocking similar concept to the fascists extralegal axis coalition.
How do you know the civilians don't want to be involved? In Iraq almost no one wants the American invaders there and I suspect it's VERY easy for the resistance fighters to find people willing to shelter them. Ditto for Hizbollah in Lebanon. Remember one mans "sub human scum terrorist" is another mans "freedom fighter" resisting imperialist foreign invasion.
I would prefer that we not involve ourselves in other countries civil wars that are none of our damn business in the first place. I believe Thomas Jefferson got it exactly right when he said:
"Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none"
U.S. marines ought to defend the nations borders from attacks from other nations militaries, period, end of story. Situations like you describe at most ought to be handled by U.N. peace keeping forces and even that OFTEN does more harm than good as is happening in Haiti currently where U.N. troops are raping and murdering innocent civilians and supporting the government that came to power through a coup.
And yes I do walk the talk I protested Clinton's destructive NATO bombing of Serbia in the same way I protest Bush's destructive and pointless attack on Iraq. Time for Americans to focus on American problems from crumbling infrastructure to 46 million people who lack access to basic health care. let the rest of the world take of itself they are big boys and girls. Whatever happened to American self reliance? Hint the 300 billion plus Bush spent on the disastrous destabilizing war on Iraq would have better spent almost anywhere including drawing down the debt or tax refunds. We just WASTED 2600 young American lives, 50,000 Iraqi lives, and 300 billion dollars THAT is what meddling in other peoples affairs gets you.
Further to get back on topic foreign interventionism leads to domestic unrest when people get tired of paying and dying for foreign wars which then gives the government "excuses" to test experimental weapons on it's own citizens. Screw that police state jazz.
What part of small constitutional republic not an empire don't you understand?
I guess the founding fathers were "sub human scum" too because they fired from behind trees instead of wearing red uniforms and standing out in a field and "fighting fair" like the British did, right?
Why are we in "Carjakistan" in the first place? I'm dead serious the reason "they hate us," is not because of our freedom and democracy but because we fuck with other countries, routinely doing things like supporting coups, and building military bases that guess what make people angry. Hint you don't see angry Muslims burning Swiss flags, nor do you see the Swiss government talking about how wonderful it would be to test experimental weapons on it's citizens.
The U.S. has strayed very far from it's rightful foundation as a small non interventionist freedom respecting republic. If the idea of the government testing experimental weapons on it's own citizens doesn't terrify you then you never understood what freedom or a constitutionally limited republican (small r) government meant in the first place.
Why bother? Someone with a good eye can take a great photo with a 20 dollar 20 year old Russian Holga. On the other hand if you suck at seeing the world the highest end Mamaya large format digital camera will still give you shitty results. See this article if you are confused by what I mean oh Equipment Measurbator.
Mod parent up this specifically answers the grandparent posts question. Yes the U.S. does specifically censor information based on political viewpoint, period, end of story.
Dumbass. I wasn't defending the terrorists or child porn people I was defending all the other innocent users of TOR who have their freedoms taken away because the govt. uses the excuse it is used by those bad people to shut it down in Germany. This action is totally hypocritical on the govts part because terrorists and child porn sickos also use telephones and roads yet you don't see the govt. shutting those things down, do you? TOR is shut down because geeks who believe in freedom of speech are weak, and the technologies they use are hard for ordinary people to understand. How nice of you back the crushing of weak freedom fighters by the govt.
Parent sed: "Don't get me wrong. In principle I do believe in freedom of speech and freedom to surf."
No you don't not with an attitude like that you believe some people should be allowed to see some images and words. Now that may be all well and good but don't LIE and proclaim your great love of freedom like some modern day Benjamin Franklin when in fact you value safety over freedom. Lack of freedom and the chilling of free speech ALSO tears peoples lives apart If you don't believe me just read a biography of the beat writers like William Burroughs who were persecuted for their sexually explicit writings in the 50s. Ditto for James Joyce in the 20s.
Real life often offers hard choices with no clear cut guidelines to make those choices. In those cases I believe we are best served by erring on the side of freedom even at the risk that some people may be hurt on occasion. Are we really so cowardly that we have gone from being a nation willing to die for freedom to one willing to destroy freedom because of the mere hypothetical risk something bad may happen? And yes this article may be abut Germany but I suspect a majority of the responders are Americans so this action is relevant to us to as these sorts of actions set bad precedents.
Also keep in mind eliminating TOR is NOT going to end child pornography or terrorism. If TOR is gone these people will just switch to steganography, or coded phone calls, or secret drop spots. The bottom line is that if people want to do bad things they will most likely do them and the best we can do is clean up the mess afterwards. The alternative is quite literally 1984.
This creeps me out in the same way the Bush NSA spying scandal does. Big organizations both public and private it seems are continually on the look out for ways to increase their power and control. The reason I am an anarchist and not a Libertarian is I think large private organizations can use spying powers and other coercive means to ruin peoples lives as often as governments do. Yet for Libertarians suddenly ANY level of spying becomes OK if it's to protect their first love which is not liberty but property. I say a pox on the spy mongering whores of both concentrated property power, and concentrated government power.
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There is no balancing involved whatsoever. BOTH American and third world I.T. workers make LESS as companies scour the world for the cheapest wages they can find. And the I.T. work only benefits a tiny sliver of the billion + people in both China and India something like quite literally .001%. How can you honestly call something that benefits .001& in the third world a little bit while the rest of the world is suffering a setback a balancing? It's a disingenuous use of that word i.e. a lie. What's more I think you people who peddle these falsehoods are engaging in deliberate mendacities i.e. you are shilling to cover some ones ass in the elite. Shame on you I hope you sleep very poorly at night.
You've never actually listened to Democracy Now have you? Amy Goodman has broken a lot of stories with serious investigative journalism like following the deposed president of Haiti Aristide to Jamaica after he was ousted in U.S. backed coup. Or being the first to report on the use of white phosphorus as a chemical weapon against the Iraqi people which was latter admitted by the U.S. government:
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As for Noam Chomsky he has been documenting U.S. war crimes in places from Nicaragua to Vietnam for 40 years now. He is an American hero and if the MSM dared to give him a voice and people were made aware of the level of violence the U.S.government has committed against the world we might see new leadership in the U.S. and live in a much more ethical country. Of course we will never see that because it would threaten the corporate bottom line.
If you were to listen to Democracy Now and read a Chomsky book you might actually learn something. Of course it's much easier to not to read or listen and just smear with a cheap ad hominem attack, right?
Wow you are misinformed about almost EVERYTHING in your post. The blue color was very behind the anti-globalization protests in Seattle in 1999. In fact the largest contingent was labor unions, out of roughly 50,000 people there 20,000 were from mainstream blue color labor unions:
"Instead, he opted to let the AFL-CIO march proceed, a move that aimed as many as 20,000 more people toward downtown as skirmishes between police, demonstrators and anarchist vandals were escalating."
http://www.nwcitizen.us/publicgood/reports/wto/
If you read this entire article you would also find out that far from being "dirty hippies," the anarchists were in fact better organized and had more effective tactics than either the cops or the unions. The anarchists were using in essence a non violent version of "4th generation warfare" with affinity groups and organized intelligence with cell phones, instant messaging, and live updates on the indymedia.org web site.
Finally far from turning people off from being against globalization the Seattle demonstrations were the first time most people had even heard of the globalization issue. Seattle put globalization, sweat shops, etc, on the map as a topic of political discussion in the U.S. Who outside of a few academics and inside players had even heard of the WTO before Seattle?
So in sum you are wrong about everything in your post. I suggest you stop watching so much MSM and so some research before you just spout off.
Exactly mod parent up. Fortunately I think people are getting pretty sick of getting neo-coned
Nice try at creating a false wedge that doesn't exist. This isn't a Republican v.s. Dem thing Paul Craig Roberts who wrote this article that I submitted was deputy secretary of the treasury under REAGAN. Meanwhile Bill Clinton pushed all the alphabet soup of trade agreements like WIPO (World intellectual property organization DRM and patent law ring a bell), the WTO, and NAFTA ALL happened under Clinton. Pat Buchanan a conservative is very against globalization. So this isn't a "liberal" CNN v.s. conservative thing, but a populist grass roots on both the right and left concerned with the fate of workers and global downward pressure on wages v.s. a greedy corporate and government elite lining their pockets at the expense of quite literally 90+% of the people of the world. The greedy ownership, management and government elite may kill the goose that is laying their golden egg though there is only so much crap people will take before they put a Chavez or a Pat Buchanan in power who will put a halt to this shit.
Parent asked: "How, exactly, do you propose keeping your salary artificially high without it coming at the expense of others?"
Simple, the reverse of globalization pay people here a living wage and create an upward pressure on wages as opposed to the downward pressure on wages created by corporation scouring the globe for cheap labor. Strong labor unions would be a good start for creating this upward pressure on wages. Oh and maybe a CEO making a hundred million a year might have to take a pay cut to help pay for it, they might have to sacrifice their third multimillion dollar vacation home in Europe sniff boo-hoo.
And don't give me any b.s. about how that will lower worker productivity. If that was true how do you explain the productivity and innovation coming from companies in Europe like Nokia, Saab, Porsche, BMW, Daimler Chrysler, etc? These companies somehow manage to do fine in quasi socialist European economies. What I'm proposing isn't even as socialist as Europe rather than the government collecting hefty taxes or owning corporations I propose that unions as a private pressure group strengthen themselves to keep workers from being washed down the drain of the downward spiral of wages created by globalization. If Starbuck's wage slaves who often even aren't an educated elite like I.T. workers can manage to organize themselves into unions despite tremendous pressure not to, so can highly educated and highly motivated I.T. workers.
Another important reform would be to revoke corporate personhood and charter corporations to be responsible to the communities they operate within. Also revoking limited liability would help as CEOs would suddenly be responsible for the actions of the corporation if they CHOSE to engage in irresponsible criminal behavior such as cooking the books to maintain offshore shell companies, etc.
So in sum parent poster there are many well thought out answers to your question. And your response?
What a lying sack of shit the parent post is, it's all about reducing labor costs so a thin layer of owners and managers can make hundreds of millions if not billions a year while BOTH Americans and people in the third world suffer terribly. Hint .001% of Indians will become coders and engineers and even that elite they will be paid probably a quarter of what an American would make at the same job and the rest of India, Vietnam, China, etc will work sweatshop jobs for pennies an hour. Globalization is a bad deal for BOTH Americans and people in the third word. As corporations scour the world for the lowest wages possible it creates downward pressure on wages for all of us. Unless we wake up to this fact and reign in the corporations they will continue to bend us over and have their way with us.
Maybe YOU said globalization was a good thing but speak for yourself I was very much in favor of the protests against the WTO meetings in Seattle in 1999. I didn't go but many of my friends did and got tear gassed for their troubles. Looks like us rads were right about globalization just like we were right to protest the disaster of the war in Iraq. Maybe it's time the MSM stopped laughing at rads and started listening, and giving our views some air time considering our excellent track record over the past 10 years. Giving Noam Chomsky an Amy Goodman more MSM air time would be a good start.
One word telescreen. Sure if it's voluntary it would be fine, but how long would it remain voluntary? Remember our (U.S. citizen here) president just gave himself the power to tap our phones at his own discretion with no oversight except for blanket authorization of the program. The idea of a life hard drive in our current society gives me nightmares thinking of the possibilities. Hint if the British had, had this technology in 1776 you'd be living in the British commonwealth of the Americas and Franklin, Jefferson, Washington, etc, would be know to history as terrorist traitors to the legitimate authority of the British state. Think hard before you jump for joy over this one.
Capitalist pigs screw over the academic system just like they screw their workers and customers. Oink, oink pig, bring the noise insulted Libertarians I'll be interested to see how you defend this one.
...is capitalism makes you a dumbass who rejects education. Thanks for playing and I'll be sure to tell all my earth crunchy co-op friends that sentiment was straight from the capitalist shills mouth.
Wow what scintillating logic a brilliant masterwork of a response, not. Have fun dropping white phosphorus on innocent little kids, ASSHOLE!
Perhaps it would be better to be self sufficient non supper power like the Swiss. They have an equally high standard of living to the U.S., a lose decentralized government where power is local and accountable, no one in the middle east wants to blow up their citizens, and their money ends being spent of their citizens and not foreign misadventures, what's not to like?
Here's how well loved you are in Iraq imperialist scum bag:
"Millions of Iraqis believe that suicide attacks against British troops are justified, a secret military poll commissioned by senior officers has revealed.
The poll, undertaken for the Ministry of Defence and seen by The Sunday Telegraph, shows that up to 65 per cent of Iraqi citizens support attacks and fewer than one per cent think Allied military involvement is helping to improve security in their country.
It demonstrates for the first time the true strength of anti-Western feeling in Iraq after more than two and a half years of bloody occupation."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ne ws/2005/10/23/wirq23.xml
And even more Iraqis support the U.S. leaving peacefully and don't trust the U.S. occupiers:
"Four out of five Iraqis report holding a negative view of the U.S. occupation authority and of coalition forces, according to a new poll conducted for the occupation authority.
In the poll, 80 percent of the Iraqis questioned reported a lack of confidence in the Coalition Provisional Authority, and 82 percent said they disapprove of the U.S. and allied militaries in Iraq."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A224 03-2004May12.html
And that was in 2004 before the torture at Abu Gharaib had been revealed to the world, the numbers are no doubt worse now.
You aren't wanted you aren't needed, get gone already.
You sed: "None of my Marines would ever grab a civilian to hide behind while advancing on an enemy position. We would never kidnap the children of a family and threaten to kill the kids if the family didn't allow a weapons or bomb cache to be located in the house. And we sure as hell would never drive a carbomb into a crowd of kids hoping to kill as many of them as we could just so it would make the evening news."
No instead you bomb an ENTIRE CITY into rubble killing hundreds if not thousands and making life miserable for tens of thousands of people of now homeless people. You would then write off that great number of civilian dead as collateral damage.
"The video shows a good deal of the damage to the city (2/3s of buildings damaged) and has some graphic shots of the dead. At one point the health workers excavate a shallow grave with a body bag. They look inside and say "Atfal"-- "children." Someone had had to bury them hastily."
http://www.juancole.com/2005/06/fallujah-film-ital ian-magazine-diario.html
" * On 9 November, CNN Correspondent Karl Penhaul reported the use of cluster bombs in the offensive: "The sky over Falluja seems to explode as U.S. Marines launch their much-trumpeted ground assault. War planes drop cluster bombs on insurgent positions and artillery batteries fire smoke rounds to conceal a Marine advance."[17]
* November 10, 2004 reports by the Washington Post suggest that US armed forces used white phosphorus grenades and/or artillery shells, creating walls of fire in the city. Doctors working inside Fallujah report seeing melted corpses of suspected insurgents.[18] The use of WP ammunition was confirmed from various independent sources, including US troops who had suffered WP burns due to 'friendly fire'. On November 16, 2005 The Independent reported that Pentagon spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Barry Venable "disclosed that (white phosphorus) had been used to dislodge enemy fighters from entrenched positions in the city"..."We use them primarily as obscurants, for smokescreens or target marking in some cases. However it is an incendiary weapon and may be used against enemy combatants." [19] But a day before, Robert Tuttle the US ambassador to London denied that white phos
Parent sed: "To the extent it has to be prevented elsewhere, that's where we have to go." Yeah you mean like Iraq's "WMDs" oops. Why would I believe the lying sacks of shit in our government Dem. or Rep. when they claim we are in danger of being attacked? "Our" government throughout history has consistently lied before going to war. The Gulf of Tonkin incident that didn't actually happen ring a bell? Or how about the coal explosion on the "Maine" blamed on the Spanish to jump start the Spanish American war? Anyone who believes governments reasons for going to war is an utter fool.
Furthermore preventive war was the casus belli used by the Nazis. Nice company you keep there dumbass. I'll stick with the prudence of the founding fathers and urge the military only be used in direct response to a military attack on our soil.
And you are also wrong about the Taliban turning over Bin Laden it was BUSH that broke off negotiations not the Taliban he then attacked Afghanistan outside the legal channels of international law using a coalition of the willing which is a shocking similar concept to the fascists extralegal axis coalition.
How do you know the civilians don't want to be involved? In Iraq almost no one wants the American invaders there and I suspect it's VERY easy for the resistance fighters to find people willing to shelter them. Ditto for Hizbollah in Lebanon. Remember one mans "sub human scum terrorist" is another mans "freedom fighter" resisting imperialist foreign invasion.
I would prefer that we not involve ourselves in other countries civil wars that are none of our damn business in the first place. I believe Thomas Jefferson got it exactly right when he said:
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"Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none"
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U.S. marines ought to defend the nations borders from attacks from other nations militaries, period, end of story. Situations like you describe at most ought to be handled by U.N. peace keeping forces and even that OFTEN does more harm than good as is happening in Haiti currently where U.N. troops are raping and murdering innocent civilians and supporting the government that came to power through a coup.
And yes I do walk the talk I protested Clinton's destructive NATO bombing of Serbia in the same way I protest Bush's destructive and pointless attack on Iraq. Time for Americans to focus on American problems from crumbling infrastructure to 46 million people who lack access to basic health care. let the rest of the world take of itself they are big boys and girls. Whatever happened to American self reliance? Hint the 300 billion plus Bush spent on the disastrous destabilizing war on Iraq would have better spent almost anywhere including drawing down the debt or tax refunds. We just WASTED 2600 young American lives, 50,000 Iraqi lives, and 300 billion dollars THAT is what meddling in other peoples affairs gets you.
Further to get back on topic foreign interventionism leads to domestic unrest when people get tired of paying and dying for foreign wars which then gives the government "excuses" to test experimental weapons on it's own citizens. Screw that police state jazz.
What part of small constitutional republic not an empire don't you understand?
I guess the founding fathers were "sub human scum" too because they fired from behind trees instead of wearing red uniforms and standing out in a field and "fighting fair" like the British did, right?
Why are we in "Carjakistan" in the first place? I'm dead serious the reason "they hate us," is not because of our freedom and democracy but because we fuck with other countries, routinely doing things like supporting coups, and building military bases that guess what make people angry. Hint you don't see angry Muslims burning Swiss flags, nor do you see the Swiss government talking about how wonderful it would be to test experimental weapons on it's citizens.
The U.S. has strayed very far from it's rightful foundation as a small non interventionist freedom respecting republic. If the idea of the government testing experimental weapons on it's own citizens doesn't terrify you then you never understood what freedom or a constitutionally limited republican (small r) government meant in the first place.
Why bother? Someone with a good eye can take a great photo with a 20 dollar 20 year old Russian Holga. On the other hand if you suck at seeing the world the highest end Mamaya large format digital camera will still give you shitty results. See this article if you are confused by what I mean oh Equipment Measurbator.
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/7.htm
Mod parent up this specifically answers the grandparent posts question. Yes the U.S. does specifically censor information based on political viewpoint, period, end of story.
Dumbass. I wasn't defending the terrorists or child porn people I was defending all the other innocent users of TOR who have their freedoms taken away because the govt. uses the excuse it is used by those bad people to shut it down in Germany. This action is totally hypocritical on the govts part because terrorists and child porn sickos also use telephones and roads yet you don't see the govt. shutting those things down, do you? TOR is shut down because geeks who believe in freedom of speech are weak, and the technologies they use are hard for ordinary people to understand. How nice of you back the crushing of weak freedom fighters by the govt.
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Parent sed: "Don't get me wrong. In principle I do believe in freedom of speech and freedom to surf."
No you don't not with an attitude like that you believe some people should be allowed to see some images and words. Now that may be all well and good but don't LIE and proclaim your great love of freedom like some modern day Benjamin Franklin when in fact you value safety over freedom. Lack of freedom and the chilling of free speech ALSO tears peoples lives apart If you don't believe me just read a biography of the beat writers like William Burroughs who were persecuted for their sexually explicit writings in the 50s. Ditto for James Joyce in the 20s.
http://pers-www.wlv.ac.uk/~bu1895/EN3016_text.htm
Real life often offers hard choices with no clear cut guidelines to make those choices. In those cases I believe we are best served by erring on the side of freedom even at the risk that some people may be hurt on occasion. Are we really so cowardly that we have gone from being a nation willing to die for freedom to one willing to destroy freedom because of the mere hypothetical risk something bad may happen? And yes this article may be abut Germany but I suspect a majority of the responders are Americans so this action is relevant to us to as these sorts of actions set bad precedents.
Also keep in mind eliminating TOR is NOT going to end child pornography or terrorism. If TOR is gone these people will just switch to steganography, or coded phone calls, or secret drop spots. The bottom line is that if people want to do bad things they will most likely do them and the best we can do is clean up the mess afterwards. The alternative is quite literally 1984.
This creeps me out in the same way the Bush NSA spying scandal does. Big organizations both public and private it seems are continually on the look out for ways to increase their power and control. The reason I am an anarchist and not a Libertarian is I think large private organizations can use spying powers and other coercive means to ruin peoples lives as often as governments do. Yet for Libertarians suddenly ANY level of spying becomes OK if it's to protect their first love which is not liberty but property. I say a pox on the spy mongering whores of both concentrated property power, and concentrated government power.