Nice rhetoric but the reason GM is going broke is that they are trying to sell glorified early 50s inefficient V8 trucks (SUVs) as commuter vehicles in an age of declining petroleum resources. I.e. management and the owners made terrible and I do mean terrible marketing and design decisions thus leading to their companies downfall.
The same thing BTW with Ford and Chrysler, I too am from Michigan and have watched this all go down for years in disgust. Don't try to blame the unions for bad decisions by management that shit doesn't fly. The big 3 auto makers had 35 years to figure out how to make fuel efficent vehicles and they blew it and coasted on bad engineering and now they are paying the price.
Of course labor organizations are organized into cross supporting networks, that's the way any successful organization works including the organizations of the ownership and management class. Do venture capitalists, stocks markets, and the WTO/IMF ring a bell? It's more than a bit hypocritical to lament mutual support networks among labor organizations when the ruling class has far lager, more powerful, and more wealthy organizations watching it's back. To say that workers should face a highly organized global economy as disempowered and isolated individuals is just ludicrous.
AC said: "Lets just say that I am not yet in enough pain while at work to make me willing to ingore the politics of the unions."
By the time you are in enough pain (i.e. you've been outsourced) it will be too late to do anything about it. Sometimes narrow self interest, is just that narrow, and winds up not even being self interest but just short sighted and stupid.
Nice try stooge for the owners, you are off by about 30 years, with accuracy like that your labor should be worth about 4 dollars an hour on the global market. It's all good until YOUR ox gets gored, right?
"The struggle for the shorter work week is the thread that ties together the history of American labor. The country's first union 1;the National Labor Union in 1866 issued its primary demand, "8 hours shall bethe normal work day." The NLU died. But the demand prompted action. In 1872 in New York City thousands of building trades workers stuck for the 40 hour week. Some won. But their g~~h-s were lost in a tide of depression. In 1877 Pittsburgh workers, led by striking rail workers, seized the city and adopted a shorter day. They were shot back to work by federal troops.
1886. Chicago. The Federation of Organized Trades and Labor Unions (later the AFL) called for a national strike for the 8 hour day on May 1. Nearly one million American workers stopped work that day. The nations industrial centers were hushed. Transportation halted. Some employers yielded concessions. Others sighted their targets.
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In the 1890's, as wealthy families like the Morgans and Rockefellers tightened their monopolies in industry , Spies' words stood true. The first general strike in the deep south, led by an integrated workforce in New Orleans, won a shorter work day. In this period the U.S. waged two wars. We fought Spain. And the government waged a war on the Western Federation of Miners led by Big Bill Haywood. Casualties in the hundreds. couldn't stop the miners, historically among the most militant of all workers. They won the 8 hour day near the turn of the century."
If you think American workers will stand for being reduced to utter destitution you are sadly mistaken. If the left labor unions won't protect workers then the workers who are being screwed will turn to people on the hard isolationist right like pitchfork Pat Buchanan. We won't go down the drain to a return to 18th century working conditions without a FIGHT. And if it comes to a fight those of you who justify utterly screwing people will be the targets, think about it, you may be laughing now thinking you own the world and screw everyone else, but you'll be laughing less hard when there is an angry mob at your door.
Honestly left or right means far less to me than defeating the globalists in their nefarious plans of becoming ultra wealthy while 95+% of people in the world are utterly impoverished, screw that. If Pat Buchanan is the only one concerned with a decent living wage than Buchanan it will be, though for the sake of civilized discourse I sincerely hope it's labor unions and not isolationists who step up to the plate to protect us from the globalists.
That's not FUD it's reality, cooperations right now as we speak are using the threat of lower prevailing wages in other countries to reduce peoples wages and benefits here in the U.S. A race to the bottom not only screws American workers but allows cooperations to exert downward pressure on wages globally as they frantically search for the cheapest labor market. Their goal is a return to the working conditions seen in Dicken's England, working conditions we are already seeing at U.S. owned multinationals like Nike in Indonesia, China, and Vietnam.
Globilization is just beginning to hit tech workers but if we let global corporations get away with it without organizing labor coders and other geeks will be the next victims of the global sweatshop. Hint a software engineer is paid about 15 dollars an hour in India. If that becomes the prevailing wage of IT work you can kiss your nice house and endless supply of cool new gadgets goodbye. Thomas Friedman's "flat earth" means YOU get flattned my friend.
You may laugh at labor unions now but when the corporations say your software engineering/coding/sys admin/systems integration/hardware design job is worth 8 dollars an hour on the world market and you have NO ONE to back you up when you renegotiate your job contract perhaps you won't be laughing so loud?
And again to Libertarians tell me exactly what is wrong with a non governmental organization representing workers in negotiating job contracts? How else are we going to see a minarchist society that provides a living wage for families? For I assure you if the globalists get their way their goal is to pay you as close to the prevailing wage in India and China as possible, don't let them get away with it.
Shouldn't that be Aussie tech workers threaten walkout? Why is the Slashdot headline FUDing managements position? Without labor unions we wouldn't have ever gained a 40 hour work week or an end to child labor. Is that really the way we want to go? Further labor unions are way for workers to gain rights without government interference which ought to be just fine with the Libertarians among you unless you are really just hypocritical cheap labor conservatives.
Until the left tells the Dems to shove it when they say they are the lesser of two evils, we will continue to get this sort of horse shit over and over again. Tell them you aren't interested in the evil of two lessors and will vote Green or Libertarian EVERY time until they reform their platform and actually diverge from being the same if not worse than priggish Republicans.
Yeah and all those studies funded by coal companies attempting to "debunk" global warming, and those funded by Monsanto that show GMO foods are safe just happen to coincide with the agenda of the sponsoring company. It's just pure coincidence and the billions of dollars at stake don't bias the research even.00000001%, NOT.
Follow the money is a saying far older than "post modernism." Saying it's post modernist thinking ironically enough is itself an ad hominem attack that doesn't address the substance of the issue.
So in sum I think that the motives of an organization that stands to lose billions if the GPL 3 motivations for publishing an article attacking the GPL are fair game. The essay writer is not a neutral party and should be called on his non neutrality and the funding of said non neutrality. For this is political in the same way that a Republican supporting a new fighter jet that just happens to be built in his his district is political, Don't be naive.
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Try growing food without topsoil fascist fuck (hint soil at the bottom of creeks and in the ocean does you no damn good).
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Trees aren't like corn easily harvested. When you cut trees from slopes the root ball dies and then the soil that takes hundreds of years to build up slides down the hillside causing landslides and stream siltation. Humboldt county is suffering from severe flooding and landslides on those creeks and rivers near clear cuts due to the unsustainable harvesting of old growth Redwood trees by Pacific Lumber.
Those whose expertise is mainly in economics or political science shouldn't presume to have knowledge of ecology, and when they do it inevitably results in bad and destructive decisions being made, and yes that does make me angry.
Those who selfishly and cynically promote unsustainable practices using underhanded arguments I believe fully deserve to suffer when ecological disaster results from their bad decisions. That's why I hope a landslide takes out asshole's house.
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Asshole said: "...I prefer to buy non-recycled paper. In fact, I never buy recycled products unless there is no alternative."
Have you ever even seen an old growth forest? No I suppose not, and if you did you would find a soulless strip mall to be more beautiful.
I sincerely hope your house is destroyed by a landslide from a clearcut slope.
Ding, ding, ding, and we have a winner. ALL that matters in a cable is resistance and capacitance and those are exactly the same for 10 dollar zip cord or 30,000 "audiophile" cables. Speaks DO vary in sound due to differing frequency response of drivers and speaker box resonance etc.
Amplifiers fall in between the non variance of cables and the significant variance of speakers. Most amplifiers have a very similar circuit design but the quality of the transformer and the size of the direct coupled capacitor varies and this determines when the system will clip which matters a great deal.
Don't get ripped off do a little basic physics research before buying any sound system and spend at least 60% of your money on speakers which is the only element of a modern system to show actually significant vvariance.
And look at the exactly ZERO times the Dems have used the filibuster regarding the nominations of Alito, Meijers, and Roberts? Do I wish the Dems were fighting to protect the people and the constitution? Yes of course, sadly it's not the case they prove to be too weak, too in the pocket of the lobbyists, just like the Republicans. If you think Hilary "60,000" more troops Clinton is going to save us, you are only fooling yourself.
Only a grass roots rebellion by both disenfranchised true small government conservatives, and pissed off people concerned with the environment, civil rights, and crushing poverty caused by corporate globalization will save the republic. It's not too late yet but we are creeping up on midnight in America frighteningly fast. Fast enough that paleo-cons should learn to work with pot smoking commie lesbians, and pot smoking commie lesbians should work with uptight fat ass white birchers and Buchananites to save us from the Orwellian "long war," and keep the government spies off our backs.
To risk our constitution and plunge people into the endless poverty of being a Wal mart employment nation on the offhand chance the Dems MIGHT (despite their record of the last decade) defend the constitutionally dubious right of choice is a bad mistake.
And yes I AM "pro choice" but I'm not convinced that freedom is inherent in the constitution but rather it's something we should convince our legislators to vote to secure.
If we fight over lifestyle issues like "pro choice," "gay rights," "burning the flag," and "ten commandments on public buildings" while BOTH the Republicans and Democrats vote for endless wars, giving Bush a pass on NSA spying in violation of the intent of the 4th amendment, and voting for support of the IMF/WTO/WIPO/DMCA and corporate globalization, then the fat cats of BOTH parties and the corporate CEOs will laugh their way to the bank while we remain a divided and weak populace ripe for the picking. We can and must do better than supporting bought off Dems and soon.
All that is true, yet it doesn't matter, here's why. The reason is the U.S. has two center right parties that don't vary even an angstrom in the policies they support:
Does a 99-1 vote in favor of the Patriot act ring a bell?
Does Hilary Clinton calling for 60,000 more troops last summer ring a bell?
Does a bi-partisan Washington consensus in favorite of corporate globilization that hurts both American and Third World workers and the environment, not mention supporting the DMCA, WIPO, and other "intellectual property" laws ring a bell?
Does Kerry calling for more troops ring a bell?
" May 28 (Bloomberg) -- Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry called for increasing the U.S. military by 40,000 troops, probably for a decade, in order ``to match its new missions'' in the war on terror and homeland security."
Does Bill Clinton's Joint Terrorism Task forces spying on non-violent anti-war activists ring a bell? Note the JTTFs were created as part of Clinton's anti terrorism act in response to Oklahoma city and are the genesis of the Patriot Act, and NSA spying abuses.
"Names and license numbers of peaceful demonstrators protesting NATO's bombing of Serbia In April, 1999, JTTF agent Tom Fisher, joined by two members of the Denver Intelligence Unit, monitored two peaceful demonstrations protesting the bombing of Serbia. According to the report, detectives followed one participant to her car three blocks away, apparently to get her license number so she could be identified."
Does Madeline Albright saying 500,000 Iraqis dying from the sanctions ring a bell?
While the Republicans ARE more vicious in their campaign tactics, the victory of a Democrat gains you almost no real policy change. BOTH the Dems and Repigs are documented on record as supporting the same war mongering constitution violating policies. At this point we would be far better off uniting Libertarians, Pat Buchanan small republic supporting Paleo-Cons, Greens and lefty radicals to get BOTH the DNC supported Dems and the Republicans out of D.C. while we still have a Republic at all. If we don't hang together we will all hang seperatly.
Kerry far from being to the left of Bush on important issues was actually to the right of Bush on the war. Remember he said he wanted MORE troops. That's why many of us on the left couldn't stomach voting for him. I agree with you Hilary is a non starter, you get all of Bush war mongering, and spying (Bill Clinton gave us the joint terrorism task forces that spied on peace groups in the 90s) + probable legislation against "violent video games," + strict gun control laws that leave us defenseless against the state, no thanks.
BTW back on the topic of this issue, my gut feeling is the election was stolen but I think that will be very difficult to prove after the fact. Unfortunately the logs only rise to the level of circumstantial evidence much as i might wish they were a smoking gun.
Actually I would think Linux has the largest number of small servers out there. I'm sure there are many people in my situation who have taken a 50 dollar old AMD box, thrown Ubuntu/LAMP on it and they are serving up web pages for their small business or personal blog. Smallest potatoes? Sure, times a million then it is worth talking about and doesn't show up in sales figures as we are talking about free downloads.
Because investors also have to buy servers to run thier companies, they would want to know how long the server is going to last as part of the value equation. Doh.
And lets not forget the domestic programs like secret spying by the FBI using it's COINTELPRO program against people we regard as heroes now like Dr. Martin Luther King and John Lennon. See:
Still think government secrecy is a good idea? Or perhaps world peace and protecting the bill of rights is a little more important than being an apologist for the governments cover ups of it's abuses both here and abroad?
I'll bite, the government ought not to have any secrets. All these secret spying missions like interfering with other governments only lead to blowback. For a list of countries where the U.S. has intervened since WWII see:
This is "why they hate us," that and our unquestioning support for Israel and our lust for their oil. Everything else is government propaganda. So yes if there were no secrets, and we were a small republic like the founders intended we would live in a much more peaceful world. That's something Noam Chomsky and Pat Buchanan can agree on and if the rest of the American public would wake up to we would all be better off
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Nice rhetoric but the reason GM is going broke is that they are trying to sell glorified early 50s inefficient V8 trucks (SUVs) as commuter vehicles in an age of declining petroleum resources. I.e. management and the owners made terrible and I do mean terrible marketing and design decisions thus leading to their companies downfall.
The same thing BTW with Ford and Chrysler, I too am from Michigan and have watched this all go down for years in disgust. Don't try to blame the unions for bad decisions by management that shit doesn't fly. The big 3 auto makers had 35 years to figure out how to make fuel efficent vehicles and they blew it and coasted on bad engineering and now they are paying the price.
Yep, the wobblies were and are a great model for the way could be organized.
Of course labor organizations are organized into cross supporting networks, that's the way any successful organization works including the organizations of the ownership and management class. Do venture capitalists, stocks markets, and the WTO/IMF ring a bell? It's more than a bit hypocritical to lament mutual support networks among labor organizations when the ruling class has far lager, more powerful, and more wealthy organizations watching it's back. To say that workers should face a highly organized global economy as disempowered and isolated individuals is just ludicrous.
AC said: "Lets just say that I am not yet in enough pain while at work to make me willing to ingore the politics of the unions."
By the time you are in enough pain (i.e. you've been outsourced) it will be too late to do anything about it. Sometimes narrow self interest, is just that narrow, and winds up not even being self interest but just short sighted and stupid.
Nice try stooge for the owners, you are off by about 30 years, with accuracy like that your labor should be worth about 4 dollars an hour on the global market. It's all good until YOUR ox gets gored, right?
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"The struggle for the shorter work week is the thread that ties together the history of American labor. The country's first union 1;the National Labor Union in 1866 issued its primary demand, "8 hours shall bethe normal work day." The NLU died. But the demand prompted action. In 1872 in New York City thousands of building trades workers stuck for the 40 hour week. Some won. But their g~~h-s were lost in a tide of depression. In 1877 Pittsburgh workers, led by striking rail workers, seized the city and adopted a shorter day. They were shot back to work by federal troops.
1886. Chicago. The Federation of Organized Trades and Labor Unions (later the AFL) called for a national strike for the 8 hour day on May 1. Nearly one million American workers stopped work that day. The nations industrial centers were hushed. Transportation halted. Some employers yielded concessions. Others sighted their targets.
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In the 1890's, as wealthy families like the Morgans and Rockefellers tightened their monopolies in industry , Spies' words stood true. The first general strike in the deep south, led by an integrated workforce in New Orleans, won a shorter work day. In this period the U.S. waged two wars. We fought Spain. And the government waged a war on the Western Federation of Miners led by Big Bill Haywood. Casualties in the hundreds. couldn't stop the miners, historically among the most militant of all workers. They won the 8 hour day near the turn of the century."
http://www.pipeline.com/~rgibson/ShorterWorkWeek.
If you think American workers will stand for being reduced to utter destitution you are sadly mistaken. If the left labor unions won't protect workers then the workers who are being screwed will turn to people on the hard isolationist right like pitchfork Pat Buchanan. We won't go down the drain to a return to 18th century working conditions without a FIGHT. And if it comes to a fight those of you who justify utterly screwing people will be the targets, think about it, you may be laughing now thinking you own the world and screw everyone else, but you'll be laughing less hard when there is an angry mob at your door.
Honestly left or right means far less to me than defeating the globalists in their nefarious plans of becoming ultra wealthy while 95+% of people in the world are utterly impoverished, screw that. If Pat Buchanan is the only one concerned with a decent living wage than Buchanan it will be, though for the sake of civilized discourse I sincerely hope it's labor unions and not isolationists who step up to the plate to protect us from the globalists.
That's not FUD it's reality, cooperations right now as we speak are using the threat of lower prevailing wages in other countries to reduce peoples wages and benefits here in the U.S. A race to the bottom not only screws American workers but allows cooperations to exert downward pressure on wages globally as they frantically search for the cheapest labor market. Their goal is a return to the working conditions seen in Dicken's England, working conditions we are already seeing at U.S. owned multinationals like Nike in Indonesia, China, and Vietnam.
Globilization is just beginning to hit tech workers but if we let global corporations get away with it without organizing labor coders and other geeks will be the next victims of the global sweatshop. Hint a software engineer is paid about 15 dollars an hour in India. If that becomes the prevailing wage of IT work you can kiss your nice house and endless supply of cool new gadgets goodbye. Thomas Friedman's "flat earth" means YOU get flattned my friend.
You may laugh at labor unions now but when the corporations say your software engineering/coding/sys admin/systems integration/hardware design job is worth 8 dollars an hour on the world market and you have NO ONE to back you up when you renegotiate your job contract perhaps you won't be laughing so loud?
And again to Libertarians tell me exactly what is wrong with a non governmental organization representing workers in negotiating job contracts? How else are we going to see a minarchist society that provides a living wage for families? For I assure you if the globalists get their way their goal is to pay you as close to the prevailing wage in India and China as possible, don't let them get away with it.
Shouldn't that be Aussie tech workers threaten walkout? Why is the Slashdot headline FUDing managements position? Without labor unions we wouldn't have ever gained a 40 hour work week or an end to child labor. Is that really the way we want to go? Further labor unions are way for workers to gain rights without government interference which ought to be just fine with the Libertarians among you unless you are really just hypocritical cheap labor conservatives.
Until the left tells the Dems to shove it when they say they are the lesser of two evils, we will continue to get this sort of horse shit over and over again.
Tell them you aren't interested in the evil of two lessors and will vote Green or Libertarian EVERY time until they reform their platform and actually diverge from being the same if not worse than priggish Republicans.
I'd say who funds a study IS a serious issue. Would you trust a study funded by Microsoft showing Windows to be a superior operating system?
Yeah and all those studies funded by coal companies attempting to "debunk" global warming, and those funded by Monsanto that show GMO foods are safe just happen to coincide with the agenda of the sponsoring company. It's just pure coincidence and the billions of dollars at stake don't bias the research even .00000001%, NOT.
Follow the money is a saying far older than "post modernism." Saying it's post modernist thinking ironically enough is itself an ad hominem attack that doesn't address the substance of the issue.
So in sum I think that the motives of an organization that stands to lose billions if the GPL 3 motivations for publishing an article attacking the GPL are fair game. The essay writer is not a neutral party and should be called on his non neutrality and the funding of said non neutrality. For this is political in the same way that a Republican supporting a new fighter jet that just happens to be built in his his district is political, Don't be naive.
Try growing food without topsoil fascist fuck (hint soil at the bottom of creeks and in the ocean does you no damn good).
Trees aren't like corn easily harvested. When you cut trees from slopes the root ball dies and then the soil that takes hundreds of years to build up slides down the hillside causing landslides and stream siltation. Humboldt county is suffering from severe flooding and landslides on those creeks and rivers near clear cuts due to the unsustainable harvesting of old growth Redwood trees by Pacific Lumber.
Those whose expertise is mainly in economics or political science shouldn't presume to have knowledge of ecology, and when they do it inevitably results in bad and destructive decisions being made, and yes that does make me angry.
Those who selfishly and cynically promote unsustainable practices using underhanded arguments I believe fully deserve to suffer when ecological disaster results from their bad decisions. That's why I hope a landslide takes out asshole's house.
Asshole said: "...I prefer to buy non-recycled paper. In fact, I never buy recycled products unless there is no alternative."
Have you ever even seen an old growth forest? No I suppose not, and if you did you would find a soulless strip mall to be more beautiful.
I sincerely hope your house is destroyed by a landslide from a clearcut slope.
The subject says it all. And I don't do chat, problem solved.
Ding, ding, ding, and we have a winner. ALL that matters in a cable is resistance and capacitance and those are exactly the same for 10 dollar zip cord or 30,000 "audiophile" cables. Speaks DO vary in sound due to differing frequency response of drivers and speaker box resonance etc.
Amplifiers fall in between the non variance of cables and the significant variance of speakers. Most amplifiers have a very similar circuit design but the quality of the transformer and the size of the direct coupled capacitor varies and this determines when the system will clip which matters a great deal.
Don't get ripped off do a little basic physics research before buying any sound system and spend at least 60% of your money on speakers which is the only element of a modern system to show actually significant vvariance.
And look at the exactly ZERO times the Dems have used the filibuster regarding the nominations of Alito, Meijers, and Roberts? Do I wish the Dems were fighting to protect the people and the constitution? Yes of course, sadly it's not the case they prove to be too weak, too in the pocket of the lobbyists, just like the Republicans. If you think Hilary "60,000" more troops Clinton is going to save us, you are only fooling yourself.
Only a grass roots rebellion by both disenfranchised true small government conservatives, and pissed off people concerned with the environment, civil rights, and crushing poverty caused by corporate globalization will save the republic. It's not too late yet but we are creeping up on midnight in America frighteningly fast. Fast enough that paleo-cons should learn to work with pot smoking commie lesbians, and pot smoking commie lesbians should work with uptight fat ass white birchers and Buchananites to save us from the Orwellian "long war," and keep the government spies off our backs.
To risk our constitution and plunge people into the endless poverty of being a Wal mart employment nation on the offhand chance the Dems MIGHT (despite their record of the last decade) defend the constitutionally dubious right of choice is a bad mistake.
And yes I AM "pro choice" but I'm not convinced that freedom is inherent in the constitution but rather it's something we should convince our legislators to vote to secure.
If we fight over lifestyle issues like "pro choice," "gay rights," "burning the flag," and "ten commandments on public buildings" while BOTH the Republicans and Democrats vote for endless wars, giving Bush a pass on NSA spying in violation of the intent of the 4th amendment, and voting for support of the IMF/WTO/WIPO/DMCA and corporate globalization, then the fat cats of BOTH parties and the corporate CEOs will laugh their way to the bank while we remain a divided and weak populace ripe for the picking. We can and must do better than supporting bought off Dems and soon.
All that is true, yet it doesn't matter, here's why. The reason is the U.S. has two center right parties that don't vary even an angstrom in the policies they support:
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Does a 99-1 vote in favor of the Patriot act ring a bell?
Does Hilary Clinton calling for 60,000 more troops last summer ring a bell?
http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=2005082
Does a bi-partisan Washington consensus in favorite of corporate globilization that hurts both American and Third World workers and the environment, not mention supporting the DMCA, WIPO, and other "intellectual property" laws ring a bell?
Does Kerry calling for more troops ring a bell?
" May 28 (Bloomberg) -- Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry called for increasing the U.S. military by 40,000 troops, probably for a decade, in order ``to match its new missions'' in the war on terror and homeland security."
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=71000001&r
Does Bill Clinton's Joint Terrorism Task forces spying on non-violent anti-war activists ring a bell? Note the JTTFs were created as part of Clinton's anti terrorism act in response to Oklahoma city and are the genesis of the Patriot Act, and NSA spying abuses.
"Names and license numbers of peaceful demonstrators protesting NATO's bombing of Serbia In April, 1999, JTTF agent Tom Fisher, joined by two members of the Denver Intelligence Unit, monitored two peaceful demonstrations protesting the bombing of Serbia. According to the report, detectives followed one participant to her car three blocks away, apparently to get her license number so she could be identified."
http://www.aclu-co.org/spyfiles/fbifiles.htm
Does Madeline Albright saying 500,000 Iraqis dying from the sanctions ring a bell?
While the Republicans ARE more vicious in their campaign tactics, the victory of a Democrat gains you almost no real policy change. BOTH the Dems and Repigs are documented on record as supporting the same war mongering constitution violating policies. At this point we would be far better off uniting Libertarians, Pat Buchanan small republic supporting Paleo-Cons, Greens and lefty radicals to get BOTH the DNC supported Dems and the Republicans out of D.C. while we still have a Republic at all. If we don't hang together we will all hang seperatly.
Kerry far from being to the left of Bush on important issues was actually to the right of Bush on the war. Remember he said he wanted MORE troops. That's why many of us on the left couldn't stomach voting for him. I agree with you Hilary is a non starter, you get all of Bush war mongering, and spying (Bill Clinton gave us the joint terrorism task forces that spied on peace groups in the 90s) + probable legislation against "violent video games," + strict gun control laws that leave us defenseless against the state, no thanks.
BTW back on the topic of this issue, my gut feeling is the election was stolen but I think that will be very difficult to prove after the fact. Unfortunately the logs only rise to the level of circumstantial evidence much as i might wish they were a smoking gun.
Actually I would think Linux has the largest number of small servers out there. I'm sure there are many people in my situation who have taken a 50 dollar old AMD box, thrown Ubuntu/LAMP on it and they are serving up web pages for their small business or personal blog. Smallest potatoes? Sure, times a million then it is worth talking about and doesn't show up in sales figures as we are talking about free downloads.
BTW my server is: http://treefunk.net/forum
Because investors also have to buy servers to run thier companies, they would want to know how long the server is going to last as part of the value equation. Doh.
And lets not forget the domestic programs like secret spying by the FBI using it's COINTELPRO program against people we regard as heroes now like Dr. Martin Luther King and John Lennon. See:
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http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/cointel.
And for recent abuses of the governments shroud of secrecy see:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10965509/site/newswee
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http://www.aclu.org/safefree/spyfiles/index.html
Still think government secrecy is a good idea? Or perhaps world peace and protecting the bill of rights is a little more important than being an apologist for the governments cover ups of it's abuses both here and abroad?
I'll bite, the government ought not to have any secrets. All these secret spying missions like interfering with other governments only lead to blowback. For a list of countries where the U.S. has intervened since WWII see:
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http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interve
This is "why they hate us," that and our unquestioning support for Israel and our lust for their oil. Everything else is government propaganda. So yes if there were no secrets, and we were a small republic like the founders intended we would live in a much more peaceful world. That's something Noam Chomsky and Pat Buchanan can agree on and if the rest of the American public would wake up to we would all be better off
More doctors and fewer cops please, thanks.