Omnibenevolent ???
Have you actually READ any of the "prevalent" religious texts? The Quran, the Bible, etc??
The gods in those texts kill without remorse. They encourage their members to kill nonbelievers as well.
This is not benevolent... It is counterproductive to our human race (though I guess it would make fewer people to use the limtied resources we have...)
I never said the money was the sole motivator. Those are your words. Simply that the money is indeed a motivator.
Honestly, I think that NOT believing the money to be a big factor says a lot about your character as well. Nothing good, though, as you might say...
You seriously think scientists are NOT under TREMENDOUS pressure to get grants? That is not some made up thing. My friends in research spend much of their time trying to get grants vs. actually doing the research. This is especially true of the older scientists. My friends are close to my age (40), and most of the research work is handled by grad students, while the experienced scientists are busy writing grants.
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The point is that the entire world is motivated by the flow of money, whether it is oil companies seeking profits for their shareholders (is YOUR retirement fund invested in them??), or research organizations trying to get money wherever they can. To think that climate research is NOT influenced by the flow of money is just plain naive.
It's not the scientists themselves... they just get to keep their jobs... It is the research organizations (often universities) reaping in the money. Sad they won't even give more of it to the scientists. And, yes, we all know that the oil companies are bringing in more money (each anyway). There are a LOT of organizations making money from GW research funding... of course this produces jobs, which is also a good thing.
Many of these scientists actually do make a lot of money. Their choice of vehicle may be for fuel efficiency and overall global impact (i.e., why some do NOT drive a hybrid... the batteries and their production are terrible for the planet) rather than as a status symbol. Of course most make little, but a lot of them are probably grad students anyway, just another source of cheap labor...
(In its heyday the Prelude was a pretty cool, and not too cheap, car.)
Sorry to spoil your little profanity-laden diatribe, but with regard to GW research not bringing in money you are just plain wrong. Feel free to use "the google" for ten seconds to learn the error of your ways (and, yes, I mean there are even articles in real newspapers and magazines showing all the spending, not just in anti-global warming blogs...)
Yes, oil companies make money, likely more than the research organizations, but all the ranting in the world will not change the fact that GW research DOES bring in billions of dollars. The post I replied to said AGW was an inconvenience to people financially... My point (which you summarily, and ignorantly dismissed) was that money flows both ways, as does the inconvenience.
Speaking of ad hominem, your rant attacks me, and I did not even state an opinion. I am sure climate change is happening; I even think we are causing some of it. Has it really gotten to be such a religion that we cannot even have a professional discussion on the subject?
A true scientists spends his efforts trying to disprove his theories.
Conversely: Anthropogenic global warming would very convenient for all the scientists researching it, as it brings in tons of research money, therefore it must exist, and be ridiculously powerful.
(The thing is that GW as a whole is being exaggerated by both sides one way or the other, and I fear not enough unbiased info is being collected either way.)
The other thing still being disputed is whether or not it matters that global warming is happening... Yes, the planet will change, some species will go extinct... But the planet has been changing for billions of years, and species have been going extinct since the first evolution of species.
Planetary change is a normal thing, and will continue as the sun's output varies (and the sun eventually dies). This will happen NO MATTER WHAT WE DO. The Earth has warmed and cooled many time in the past without human intervention. It will continue to do so.
That said, we ought to be more concerned about not squandering our resources, and limiting our population growth. I'd like to see us reward efficiency whenever we can. But you are talking to a/. reader who is always trying to find the most efficient set of steps to make a pot of coffee using the least amount of water to wash out the pot first... The correct order of cold and hot water to take advantage of the lukewarm water while the hot water is getting hot...
Of course... And climate is WAY more complex than weather... We can't even predict weather a few days in advance... We certainly cannot predict climate years in advance, and definitely cannot predict the effect of our actions on climate (barring something crazy like a nuclear war).
You pretty much summed it up. A scientist wants to prove his theory wrong, not right.
There may be an almost consensus that climate change is happening, but there is far from a consensus that it is caused by man's actions or inactions. The planet does a lot of thing that we cannot understand completely.
Weather is far from predictable-- as a pilot I find the weather predictions can rarely be trusted more than one day out... How can we possibly make predictions for *decades* in the future?
Am I saying we should burn all the oil as fast as possible and dump as many pollutants or greenhouse gases into the atmosphere as possible? Not at all... We humans have a duty to be conservative of resources in everything we do. Improving efficiency is a good thing, and that often takes economic factors.
Why is it that our asinine politicians in both parties have no respect for the Constitution anymore? I thought at least this crap would get better under Obama. Instead it has only gotten worse...
That would be nice, but we have both sides of the fence touting god this and god that. Obama is constantly holding prayer breakfasts and promoting these fairy tales, saying that his faith guides his policies just as much as Bush did. There is no escape from this lunacy.Perhaps his Holy Noodleness, the Great FSM, will smite them all!
Perhaps the hippie states realize that the red states tend to be the ones with all the guns... Can you imagine how much more broke California would be if they got attacked by Texas?
Post a link about the pay walled NYT site on the pay walled WSJ site. Then post a link back to the pay walled NYT site on the WSJ site. You use up everyody's ten free views and people realize how cool these papers are and start paying for them..
Either that or we end up in a Chronic Hysteresis...
There is already a service that works like this. An app called iSwifter gives you a Linux Firefox window that runs flash based content. It works decently, though can get a hinlegalgy at times. iSwifter is a one time fee. They do Not charge per month (I think they originally did, but nobody wanted to pay).
I use iSwifter for King Schools flight training programs, which are flash based. Works pretty well.
There are far too many in "accedemia" who just get tenure and do nothing. How about schools focus on TEACHING, specifically undergrads.... Universities these days just worry about publishing and other things that get them grants, but don't care too much about the students, especially the undergrads, which is all the degree most of them are going to get...
Put people out in their field and they will learn far more in a week than in a semester of school.
In the interest of the greater good...
Omnibenevolent ??? Have you actually READ any of the "prevalent" religious texts? The Quran, the Bible, etc?? The gods in those texts kill without remorse. They encourage their members to kill nonbelievers as well. This is not benevolent... It is counterproductive to our human race (though I guess it would make fewer people to use the limtied resources we have...)
Resedients can look forward to having a maniacal computer trigger some PLCs to mix waste products with their cereal...
I never said the money was the sole motivator. Those are your words. Simply that the money is indeed a motivator. Honestly, I think that NOT believing the money to be a big factor says a lot about your character as well. Nothing good, though, as you might say...
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The point is that the entire world is motivated by the flow of money, whether it is oil companies seeking profits for their shareholders (is YOUR retirement fund invested in them??), or research organizations trying to get money wherever they can. To think that climate research is NOT influenced by the flow of money is just plain naive.
It's not the scientists themselves... they just get to keep their jobs... It is the research organizations (often universities) reaping in the money. Sad they won't even give more of it to the scientists. And, yes, we all know that the oil companies are bringing in more money (each anyway). There are a LOT of organizations making money from GW research funding... of course this produces jobs, which is also a good thing. Many of these scientists actually do make a lot of money. Their choice of vehicle may be for fuel efficiency and overall global impact (i.e., why some do NOT drive a hybrid... the batteries and their production are terrible for the planet) rather than as a status symbol. Of course most make little, but a lot of them are probably grad students anyway, just another source of cheap labor... (In its heyday the Prelude was a pretty cool, and not too cheap, car.)
Yes, oil companies make money, likely more than the research organizations, but all the ranting in the world will not change the fact that GW research DOES bring in billions of dollars. The post I replied to said AGW was an inconvenience to people financially... My point (which you summarily, and ignorantly dismissed) was that money flows both ways, as does the inconvenience.
Speaking of ad hominem, your rant attacks me, and I did not even state an opinion. I am sure climate change is happening; I even think we are causing some of it. Has it really gotten to be such a religion that we cannot even have a professional discussion on the subject?
A true scientists spends his efforts trying to disprove his theories.
Conversely: Anthropogenic global warming would very convenient for all the scientists researching it, as it brings in tons of research money, therefore it must exist, and be ridiculously powerful. (The thing is that GW as a whole is being exaggerated by both sides one way or the other, and I fear not enough unbiased info is being collected either way.)
Planetary change is a normal thing, and will continue as the sun's output varies (and the sun eventually dies). This will happen NO MATTER WHAT WE DO. The Earth has warmed and cooled many time in the past without human intervention. It will continue to do so.
That said, we ought to be more concerned about not squandering our resources, and limiting our population growth. I'd like to see us reward efficiency whenever we can. But you are talking to a /. reader who is always trying to find the most efficient set of steps to make a pot of coffee using the least amount of water to wash out the pot first... The correct order of cold and hot water to take advantage of the lukewarm water while the hot water is getting hot...
Of course... And climate is WAY more complex than weather... We can't even predict weather a few days in advance... We certainly cannot predict climate years in advance, and definitely cannot predict the effect of our actions on climate (barring something crazy like a nuclear war).
There may be an almost consensus that climate change is happening, but there is far from a consensus that it is caused by man's actions or inactions. The planet does a lot of thing that we cannot understand completely.
Weather is far from predictable-- as a pilot I find the weather predictions can rarely be trusted more than one day out... How can we possibly make predictions for *decades* in the future?
Am I saying we should burn all the oil as fast as possible and dump as many pollutants or greenhouse gases into the atmosphere as possible? Not at all... We humans have a duty to be conservative of resources in everything we do. Improving efficiency is a good thing, and that often takes economic factors.
Code can only be created by intellectuals, like /. readers; therefore, it is Intellectual Property, not some ho-hum, run-of-the-mill property...
Why is it that our asinine politicians in both parties have no respect for the Constitution anymore? I thought at least this crap would get better under Obama. Instead it has only gotten worse...
That would be nice, but we have both sides of the fence touting god this and god that. Obama is constantly holding prayer breakfasts and promoting these fairy tales, saying that his faith guides his policies just as much as Bush did. There is no escape from this lunacy.Perhaps his Holy Noodleness, the Great FSM, will smite them all!
Precisely, I mean this is where Al Gore was elected Senator!
Perhaps the hippie states realize that the red states tend to be the ones with all the guns... Can you imagine how much more broke California would be if they got attacked by Texas?
Post a link about the pay walled NYT site on the pay walled WSJ site. Then post a link back to the pay walled NYT site on the WSJ site. You use up everyody's ten free views and people realize how cool these papers are and start paying for them..
Either that or we end up in a Chronic Hysteresis...
Tesla is the wheels I'm looking for. Move along...
And regulation is a magic wand that fixes technical problems and design flaws?
Simple as that. I would never consider driving a car that looked hideous.
More like a free trip to Gitmo...
There is already a service that works like this. An app called iSwifter gives you a Linux Firefox window that runs flash based content. It works decently, though can get a hinlegalgy at times. iSwifter is a one time fee. They do Not charge per month (I think they originally did, but nobody wanted to pay). I use iSwifter for King Schools flight training programs, which are flash based. Works pretty well.
There are far too many in "accedemia" who just get tenure and do nothing. How about schools focus on TEACHING, specifically undergrads.... Universities these days just worry about publishing and other things that get them grants, but don't care too much about the students, especially the undergrads, which is all the degree most of them are going to get... Put people out in their field and they will learn far more in a week than in a semester of school.
Sometimes we need good spelling in our code too... But it was the original library author who spelled those methods lawer instead of lawyer...
( you.isLawer() == true ) || ( you.GetParent().isLawer() == true )
That's ok, we do sometimes need lawyers, like when the Feds come knocking... ;)