I ask you if you took the time to investigate if anyone had been referred for prosecution by the grand jury in that Kansas City ACORN case - and I'm the one who is brain dead? You have been played for a sucker and you probably know it.
Ballotpedia? What's the matter, was Conservapedia not right wing enough for you?
So, what happened? How many people were convicted? How many people went to jail?
And since we're questioning the credibility of sources (which is a good thing) why hasn't Ballotpedia added this update from 2006? Could it be because that the implied wrongdoing they want people like to you believe was invalid? That couldn't be the reason, could it?
Really, that's all ACORN was doing? Ken, you are incapable of seeing the reality that's in front of your face. How has the middle class done under the boot heel of Barack Obama and the ACA? http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB...
You actually linked to the WSJ as though a Rupert Murdock publication is credible? Christ, if you're to slam the NYT (and deservedly so) why is it that you don't apply the same credibility standards to your own bullshit? Oh, right, because you're a partisan moron. Well, they say GIGO (Garbage In Garbage Out) and I want to commend you on proving that point.
By the way, I read the article - er, hit piece - and then went out to find out what happened. Yes, four people were indicted but how many were actually charged? Do you know? Did you bother to see if anyone was charged, tried or convicted?
No? Why am I not surprised.
And as to how the middle class is doing, the answer is terrible.
Let's see,The Bush tax cuts were extended, putting the burden of paying for this country on the Middle Class, labor has been repeatedly attacked (but you probably think what the conservatives have done in North Caroline to the education system is wonderful) and minimum wage, which should now be somewhere around $21.50 if we had kept parity to where it was when I was a kid, is still well below $10.00/hour.
Awesome job Republicans, you have fucked us all up the ass but on the good side, at least the federal government wasn't forced to pay for condoms, resulting in a drop in our deficit spending.
Got off the dock and walked through Immigration centers.
No, got off the ship and walked away. Do you really believe that in the 1920s we had an immigration center located in every port?
The fact that you have no real understanding of history might be why you make the bad decisions that you do.
You actually believe that the video showed anything meaningful? Do you really? I watched it and found it boring.
Here's a heads up for you. ACORN was attacked because they we getting poor people to the polls - and that's the only reason.
But even this kind of manipulation isn't going to save the Republican Party. Texas turns blue in 2020 and it's all over, except for the crying. Once that many electoral college votes go blue, no amount of screwing with elections in Ohio will make a difference. The slide is about to begin in 2016. The country has watched your policies decimate the middle class while making the rich wealthier and the general populace is sick to death of it. You worked for it, you earned it, and you're going to live with it for the rest of your life.
And when a boorish prick like Donald Trump is your go to man, maybe you do need to think about where you're coming from and where you're going.
We didn't have an illegal alien problem in the 1920s because we didn't have any way of tracking them. People came here on ships, got off at the dock and walked away.
And as far as talking out your ass, any time you'd like to provide a list of accomplishments you believe conservative administrations have created, feel free to do so. Since we're on the topic, and we all know it's those pesky Democrats that ruin conservative dreams, why don't you specifically stick to the years when George W. Bush had a Republican controlled congress and had just about anything he wanted passed.
Of course it led to defunding of ACORN, so it certainly had an element of truth.
Yes, that's it. Even though the video was shown to be a complete fabrication, it led to ACORN being defunded so that means some part of it was true. It couldn't be that the fools who actually believed it allowed the Republicans to do what they had set out to do. No, it has to be that the video had some truth to it.
Ah, I see. Your entire argument can be reduced to claiming that the conservatives of the 1920s are politically identical to the conservatives today. And even being shown that Coolidge believed in welcoming immigrants as well as creating large scale infrastructure projects to alleviate unemployment, you are still basing your entire argument on a label?
More to the point, feel free to document where Coolidge ever made any distinction between legal immigrants and illegal ones.
And that's where you've lost the battle. You seem to think that because someone used the word conservative it must mean what you think it means. History also labels Eisenhower a conservative but not like any conservatives you'd ever vote for. In much the same way, Nixon was a conservative as well. He created the EPA, believed in universal health care, and befriended China.
You do understand that in Coolidge's time, we didn't much of an immigration policy, right? In fact, Coolidge actually signed one. You know, except for those damn Chinese once we were finished blowing them up while we were building the western portion of our railway system.
Congratulations on your continued drive to remain ignorant. You've come a long way since you were born knowing nothing. While ignorance is curable, willful ignorance should be a capital offense.
It's still okay to kill a few thousand kids with Shock and Awe though, right?
I can't believe you cited the Washington Examiner. It's a damn shame that the Weekly World News wasn't still around for people with your level of intellectual prowess to get your talking points from.
No, conservatives are not warmongering racists, at least, not the sane ones.
But this iteration of conservatives is united against pretty much everything that Coolidge said and denying that is beyond the point of absurd.
The fact that you would make the claim that conservatives welcome immigrants to America when the entire Republican platform in this elections seems to be talking about who can build a higher wall, is kind of tough to take. And not to be outdone on the insanity scale, Carly Fiorina is screaming that Planned Parenthood is harvesting infant brains for resale.
I don't hate conservatives nor do I think every single one of them is a moron. I understand that the liberals and conservatives have differing views on how this country should be run and can accept that both philosophies have standing in that discussion. At the same time, when one of the leading candidates is Donald Trump, you really need to look at where your political alignment has gone and ask yourself has it gone too far.
But the stimulus bill isn't the topic of discussion, is it? And the fact remains I have clearly shown that Republicans are against infrastructure spending while you have yet to post one source backing up your bullshit assertion.
So what you're trying to say is that the Republicans are for infrastructure spending even though they have repeatedly voted against it? Really? That's the argument you are trying to make?
Liberals oppose inexpensive food, exercising free political speech, educating our children as we see fit, and wanting bathroom fixtures that work? You'd have to be sniffing glue to actually post that on a public forum, much less believe it.
You do realize that Coolidge worked for and pushed through the Kellogg–Briand Pact, right? And you do know that treaty legally bound the United States to, "renounce war, as an instrument of national policy in their relations with one another." Does like sound like a conservative to you?
In October 1924, Coolidge stressed tolerance of differences as an American value and thanked immigrants for their contributions to U.S. society, saying that they have "contributed much to making our country what it is." Does like sound like a conservative to you?
Coolidge also stated the United States should assist and help immigrants who come to the country, and urged immigrants to reject "race hatreds" and "prejudices". Which particular brand of conservative are you referring to?
Each of the above stances Coolidge stood for are a firm rejection of everything the conservative movement believes. And just because that Alzheimer riddled conservative lunatic talked about Coolidge doesn't mean he was a conservative, not by today's standards.
Your still missing the point. Before Reagan changed the tax code those "loopholes" he closed allowed for far more money to be used for R&D without penalty. Yes, R&R itself can be expensed (and I suppose I misspoke) but all of the other tax advantages no longer exist. The point I was trying to make is that with the Reagan tax code changes R&D became left behind. If you want to argue the details, be my guest.
Lol. I thought this whole conversation is about stimulating the economy with public infrastructure project. Are they a good thing or not?
Hmm, as a personal commentary, I do believe infrastructure projects are an excellent way to stimulate the economy even including the many abuses which do occur.
But I'm a liberal, I would think that.
And which end of the political spectrum believes in stimulating the economy with large scale infrastructure projects?. Well, when Obama asked for a trillion and a half he got a lot less and it was the Republican controlled legislature who forced that compromise.
Interestingly enough, we have people here arguing that historically conservatives believed in these types of projects and to a certain extent that could be considered true - except that the conservatives of the 1920s would be considered as liberals today. Christ, Eisenhower would be called a RINO and kicked out of today's Republican Party, war hero and all.
Hey, you didn't hurt yourself moving those goalposts, did you? And yes, I am attacking both you and your argument.
Here's something else for you to think about. During the period in history we are talking about, the Republicans were the more liberal of the two parties which is why many southern conservatives joined and then staunchly supported the Democratic Party. But you would have to actually understand our political history to know how wrong you are.
And yet, you seem to be repeatedly claiming that the Republicans of the early 20th century would be politically aligned with today's Republican Party. What is staggering about that assertion is that you can make it and then suggest I am ignorant. Exactly what does your colon look like from your viewpoint?
The Hoover Dam was a conservative infrastructure project.
I won't pretend to insult your intelligence by suggesting that you actually believe what you just wrote.
Is it your assertion that Calvin Coolidge, a man known as a Progressive Republican, would be considered a conservative in today's political climate? You do understand that it was Calvin Coolidge who signed the bill authorizing construction of the dam, right? Do you believe that Hiram Johnson, the man who repeatedly introduced legislation to authorize the dam, a man who was Teddy Roosevelt's running mate in the 1912 presidential election on the Progressive, aka Bull Moose, ticket was a conservative? That legislation was also co-sponsored by Phil Swing who was also known as a progressive Republican. Then we have Herbert Hoover, a man who tried to combat the Great Depression with government public works projects such as the Hoover Dam who you are claiming to be a conservative.
Let me see if I understand the point you are making. You have no idea what the tax laws were prior to the Tax Reform Act of 1986. You cannot speak to how the largest change in tax code in the better part or half a century altered how business was done by "eliminating $30 billion annually in loopholes" among the many other changes but you somehow have an opinion.
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Let's recap.
I ask you if you took the time to investigate if anyone had been referred for prosecution by the grand jury in that Kansas City ACORN case - and I'm the one who is brain dead? You have been played for a sucker and you probably know it.
Ballotpedia? What's the matter, was Conservapedia not right wing enough for you?
So, what happened? How many people were convicted? How many people went to jail?
And since we're questioning the credibility of sources (which is a good thing) why hasn't Ballotpedia added this update from 2006? Could it be because that the implied wrongdoing they want people like to you believe was invalid? That couldn't be the reason, could it?
Really, that's all ACORN was doing? Ken, you are incapable of seeing the reality that's in front of your face. How has the middle class done under the boot heel of Barack Obama and the ACA? http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB...
You actually linked to the WSJ as though a Rupert Murdock publication is credible? Christ, if you're to slam the NYT (and deservedly so) why is it that you don't apply the same credibility standards to your own bullshit? Oh, right, because you're a partisan moron. Well, they say GIGO (Garbage In Garbage Out) and I want to commend you on proving that point.
By the way, I read the article - er, hit piece - and then went out to find out what happened. Yes, four people were indicted but how many were actually charged? Do you know? Did you bother to see if anyone was charged, tried or convicted?
No? Why am I not surprised.
And as to how the middle class is doing, the answer is terrible.
Let's see,The Bush tax cuts were extended, putting the burden of paying for this country on the Middle Class, labor has been repeatedly attacked (but you probably think what the conservatives have done in North Caroline to the education system is wonderful) and minimum wage, which should now be somewhere around $21.50 if we had kept parity to where it was when I was a kid, is still well below $10.00/hour.
Awesome job Republicans, you have fucked us all up the ass but on the good side, at least the federal government wasn't forced to pay for condoms, resulting in a drop in our deficit spending.
Got off the dock and walked through Immigration centers.
No, got off the ship and walked away. Do you really believe that in the 1920s we had an immigration center located in every port? The fact that you have no real understanding of history might be why you make the bad decisions that you do.
You actually believe that the video showed anything meaningful? Do you really? I watched it and found it boring.
Here's a heads up for you. ACORN was attacked because they we getting poor people to the polls - and that's the only reason.
But even this kind of manipulation isn't going to save the Republican Party. Texas turns blue in 2020 and it's all over, except for the crying. Once that many electoral college votes go blue, no amount of screwing with elections in Ohio will make a difference. The slide is about to begin in 2016. The country has watched your policies decimate the middle class while making the rich wealthier and the general populace is sick to death of it. You worked for it, you earned it, and you're going to live with it for the rest of your life.
And when a boorish prick like Donald Trump is your go to man, maybe you do need to think about where you're coming from and where you're going.
We didn't have an illegal alien problem in the 1920s because we didn't have any way of tracking them. People came here on ships, got off at the dock and walked away.
And as far as talking out your ass, any time you'd like to provide a list of accomplishments you believe conservative administrations have created, feel free to do so. Since we're on the topic, and we all know it's those pesky Democrats that ruin conservative dreams, why don't you specifically stick to the years when George W. Bush had a Republican controlled congress and had just about anything he wanted passed.
Of course it led to defunding of ACORN, so it certainly had an element of truth.
Yes, that's it. Even though the video was shown to be a complete fabrication, it led to ACORN being defunded so that means some part of it was true. It couldn't be that the fools who actually believed it allowed the Republicans to do what they had set out to do. No, it has to be that the video had some truth to it.
This is what passes for logic in your mind?
History regards Coolidge as a conservative
Ah, I see. Your entire argument can be reduced to claiming that the conservatives of the 1920s are politically identical to the conservatives today. And even being shown that Coolidge believed in welcoming immigrants as well as creating large scale infrastructure projects to alleviate unemployment, you are still basing your entire argument on a label?
More to the point, feel free to document where Coolidge ever made any distinction between legal immigrants and illegal ones.
And that's where you've lost the battle. You seem to think that because someone used the word conservative it must mean what you think it means. History also labels Eisenhower a conservative but not like any conservatives you'd ever vote for. In much the same way, Nixon was a conservative as well. He created the EPA, believed in universal health care, and befriended China.
As I recall there was also a video showing ACORN talking to a pimp and a hooker. You just love being lied to, don't you?
You do understand that in Coolidge's time, we didn't much of an immigration policy, right? In fact, Coolidge actually signed one. You know, except for those damn Chinese once we were finished blowing them up while we were building the western portion of our railway system.
Congratulations on your continued drive to remain ignorant. You've come a long way since you were born knowing nothing. While ignorance is curable, willful ignorance should be a capital offense.
It's still okay to kill a few thousand kids with Shock and Awe though, right?
I can't believe you cited the Washington Examiner. It's a damn shame that the Weekly World News wasn't still around for people with your level of intellectual prowess to get your talking points from.
No, conservatives are not warmongering racists, at least, not the sane ones.
But this iteration of conservatives is united against pretty much everything that Coolidge said and denying that is beyond the point of absurd.
The fact that you would make the claim that conservatives welcome immigrants to America when the entire Republican platform in this elections seems to be talking about who can build a higher wall, is kind of tough to take. And not to be outdone on the insanity scale, Carly Fiorina is screaming that Planned Parenthood is harvesting infant brains for resale.
I don't hate conservatives nor do I think every single one of them is a moron. I understand that the liberals and conservatives have differing views on how this country should be run and can accept that both philosophies have standing in that discussion. At the same time, when one of the leading candidates is Donald Trump, you really need to look at where your political alignment has gone and ask yourself has it gone too far.
But the stimulus bill isn't the topic of discussion, is it? And the fact remains I have clearly shown that Republicans are against infrastructure spending while you have yet to post one source backing up your bullshit assertion.
So what you're trying to say is that the Republicans are for infrastructure spending even though they have repeatedly voted against it? Really? That's the argument you are trying to make?
Liberals oppose inexpensive food, exercising free political speech, educating our children as we see fit, and wanting bathroom fixtures that work? You'd have to be sniffing glue to actually post that on a public forum, much less believe it.
Calvin Coolidge was a conservative?
You do realize that Coolidge worked for and pushed through the Kellogg–Briand Pact, right? And you do know that treaty legally bound the United States to, "renounce war, as an instrument of national policy in their relations with one another." Does like sound like a conservative to you?
In October 1924, Coolidge stressed tolerance of differences as an American value and thanked immigrants for their contributions to U.S. society, saying that they have "contributed much to making our country what it is." Does like sound like a conservative to you?
Coolidge also stated the United States should assist and help immigrants who come to the country, and urged immigrants to reject "race hatreds" and "prejudices". Which particular brand of conservative are you referring to?
Each of the above stances Coolidge stood for are a firm rejection of everything the conservative movement believes. And just because that Alzheimer riddled conservative lunatic talked about Coolidge doesn't mean he was a conservative, not by today's standards.
Yes, the Republicans are the ones pushing infrastructure spending.
Right.
Senate GOP Blocks Obama's $60 Billion Infrastructure Plan
The Republican Budgets CUT Infrastructure Spending
If you need more of a reality check, try Google.
Oh, right, you were complimenting the Socialists. Yes, I see that now.
In a pig's eye.
I am all for honest discussion, seriously. But that's not really what you're looking for, is it?
Your still missing the point. Before Reagan changed the tax code those "loopholes" he closed allowed for far more money to be used for R&D without penalty. Yes, R&R itself can be expensed (and I suppose I misspoke) but all of the other tax advantages no longer exist. The point I was trying to make is that with the Reagan tax code changes R&D became left behind. If you want to argue the details, be my guest.
Right. Sure.
Unless you want to do drugs or get an abortion or maybe marry outside of your race.
Then there's that entire, we should go to war thing what with the draft and all.
Lol. I thought this whole conversation is about stimulating the economy with public infrastructure project. Are they a good thing or not?
Hmm, as a personal commentary, I do believe infrastructure projects are an excellent way to stimulate the economy even including the many abuses which do occur.
But I'm a liberal, I would think that.
And which end of the political spectrum believes in stimulating the economy with large scale infrastructure projects?. Well, when Obama asked for a trillion and a half he got a lot less and it was the Republican controlled legislature who forced that compromise.
Interestingly enough, we have people here arguing that historically conservatives believed in these types of projects and to a certain extent that could be considered true - except that the conservatives of the 1920s would be considered as liberals today. Christ, Eisenhower would be called a RINO and kicked out of today's Republican Party, war hero and all.
When did I claim that?
When progressive socialist dreams collide, it's a beautiful sight.
Oh, I don't know...
Hey, you didn't hurt yourself moving those goalposts, did you? And yes, I am attacking both you and your argument.
Here's something else for you to think about. During the period in history we are talking about, the Republicans were the more liberal of the two parties which is why many southern conservatives joined and then staunchly supported the Democratic Party. But you would have to actually understand our political history to know how wrong you are.
And yet, you seem to be repeatedly claiming that the Republicans of the early 20th century would be politically aligned with today's Republican Party. What is staggering about that assertion is that you can make it and then suggest I am ignorant. Exactly what does your colon look like from your viewpoint?
The Hoover Dam was a conservative infrastructure project.
I won't pretend to insult your intelligence by suggesting that you actually believe what you just wrote.
Is it your assertion that Calvin Coolidge, a man known as a Progressive Republican, would be considered a conservative in today's political climate? You do understand that it was Calvin Coolidge who signed the bill authorizing construction of the dam, right? Do you believe that Hiram Johnson, the man who repeatedly introduced legislation to authorize the dam, a man who was Teddy Roosevelt's running mate in the 1912 presidential election on the Progressive, aka Bull Moose, ticket was a conservative? That legislation was also co-sponsored by Phil Swing who was also known as a progressive Republican. Then we have Herbert Hoover, a man who tried to combat the Great Depression with government public works projects such as the Hoover Dam who you are claiming to be a conservative.
Right, I see your point.
Let me see if I understand the point you are making. You have no idea what the tax laws were prior to the Tax Reform Act of 1986. You cannot speak to how the largest change in tax code in the better part or half a century altered how business was done by "eliminating $30 billion annually in loopholes" among the many other changes but you somehow have an opinion.
I stand in awe of your incredible hubris.