Your kids will be covered by UBI so no worries for them. Yes, your kids would also get free college education, are you seriously complaining about that? Would you like to borrow a gun so you could shoot yourself in your literal feet as well? Screw around on tech projects all you want, I would like to do the same, maybe we'll start a club and exchange ideas and tips, maybe even start a business.
The bureaucracy is a jobs program, yeah, they should automate the whole thing to a high level of efficiency and instead pass on similar income to the same not-to-decline continuous percentage of the population.
Or, it could be more like Star Trek. Where we essentially have reached a post scarcity society and people work for the self-actualization aspect of a job rather than the desperate need to struggle to survive. You might then have children who are raised by parents who have devoted their lives to perfecting some art form, advanced mathematics as a hobby, cooking or woodworking for the bliss of it. Then hey-lets-go-to-Mars because we haven't been there and I would like a challenge since I am not worried about a sickness putting my family in the poor-house for the next ten generations...
That's all fine and good but what you are proposing will only stave off the inevitable for at most a year or two. Automation is coming, it is already here and covering more ground faster and faster. Read "Rise of the Robots" it is an enlightening read. https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Ro...
How would you propose penalizing anyone that overlooks the long-term unemployed/discouraged? Who would you propose get penalized? What would be the mechanism for detecting and punishing these despicable beings?
Uh, Bernie was pushing Socialism hard and were it not for the entrenched and dirty DNC and the Clinton Machine, he would now be the candidate of the Democratic party. Not all Mercan's are afraid of socialism anymore, mainly because they noticed that the trickle-down policies of a demented B-Movie actor had no basis in reality.
Except that it is a technology problem and that cheaper labor is a temporary substitute for eventual automation. Anything that can be off-shored can and will be automated, so especially the countries that are benefiting from offshoring will have a hard and quick fall due to automation. This is well explained in the book, "Rise of the Robots". https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Ro...
You are sitting comfortably on your high (but rapidly disappearing under you) horse decreeing that no one but those able to find the very few jobs left will be able to eat and live. How will you feel when your job is automated out? No, seriously, it can and will happen no matter how skilled you think you are. Your friends, your family, your neighbors, all their jobs automated out. Will you still be have such a cold-hearted view when everyone that you care about that is around you is in dire straits? When the job-less crisis is a world-wide phenomenon? What will you contribute when everything you could possibly produce can be produced better, faster, cheaper, with more creativity and flair by a machine? See: https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Ro...
The thing is typically if you are brought up playing chess you are surrounded by a family that does things that families (or a parent) that plays chess do. Like eat well, read to/with their kids, converse on various current topics, discuss history, etc. So the chess happens to be one of many things but as we like to say around here "correlation does not imply causation". In this case, playing chess isn't the reason people are more able at intellectual pursuits, it just happens to be one of many things they have been breast fed since young. In cases where youth chess clubs are established in "the hood", the kids can and do excel at chess but that doesn't translate necessarily into broad academic achievement, other than the effect that it can have in their belief in their own ability to achieve.
To the morons going on about chess vs checkers: Being a competitive chess player does not indicate increased ability in areas other than playing chess. If you think you are smarter than average it isn't due to your chess playing prowess, it is due to other factors/advantages in our genetics or more-likely upbringing.
Except that he's not a moron and would not be assuaged by something that any fool could clearly see as a delaying tactic. They hired him for his expertise, people like him know what they know and he clearly had not just fallen off the turnip truck when he landed at "Yahoo!"
Eating fat is not unhealthy. Being fat is unhealthy. Sugary and carby, or carby alone is unhealthy because it causes people to become fat. Just throwing that in to set the record straight.
Yeah, I have fantasies too that someone should design this huge capturing dome that can be driven over the methane escape plumes to then capture the methane and compress it into cylinders for transport. The super cool part of that would be that the process would only require some initial energy to get it started and once on site could operate off of whatever it was capturing, even capture enough to move the ship to a new location or for station-keeping if needed. I'm apparently not motivated enough to move to make something like this happen but someone out there might be looking into it already. Looking at it fatalistically, I think that even if we put the methane to use before releasing it into the atmosphere it will contribute to global warming. It may contribute less as by that time it would have been converted to a different gas(?).
ShanghaiBill, please say that you're trolling (or don't, *wink*-*wink*). You are truly hilarious and I intend to follow every one of your posts. Your comedy level is astounding.
Except that due to ice melt, we are about to unleash several large methane caches that have been trapped under ice or under cooler waters. Some are already escaping as oceans warm.
It's not the scientists who have been crying wolf, but the Greens. Time after time after time, every discerned environmental problem is going to kill us all: famine, exhaustion of industrial metals, acid rain, the ozone layer, the energy crisis. Small wonder, then, that the average person is having trouble grasping the carbon problem.
Can we all agree to two things: let the science work itself out to find the truth, and set the engineers free to implement any fixes that may be needed?
Largely, "the Greens" have been vindicated. DDT was a very bad thing, the green "alarmist" in that case being the author of "Silent Spring", so DDT usage got shut down, at least in the US. The scientifists answer has always been "dilution is the solution", guess what? Turns out that they were wrong, thus dead zones in the ocean (algal blooms), anthropogenic global warming, the great pacific garbage patch, mercury poisoning of fish in the ocean.
let the science work itself out to find the truth
You mean the science as brought to you by Monsanto and the rest of the pharma/agro/med industries? Is that the science upon which you want the fate of humanity to rest on? Notice lately the articles surfacing about the sugar industry's influence on our US dietary recommendations? It took over 50 years for that shit to surface. You don't think the huge multinationals are controlling the debate and science in a similar but much more well-funded and studied manner?
set the engineers free to implement any fixes that may be needed
You are so cute. Do you really thing we can fix such a complicated system? Every time we meddle even on the small scale at which we've meddled so far, we break more than we fix. Who do you think is going to fund cleaning up the planet on such a scale? Are you a computer programmer? There is no restart in the real physical world, once we get to a bad enough place, only time will heal the planet. The healing process might take millions of years, maybe long enough for the destructive human species to die off, and good riddance to us.
Yes, you are right. Except for cows, I believe that pastured cows are not the source of pollution that industrial cows are as they are in balance with the pastures they are raised on. You are right in a larger sense regarding the impact on pollution a planet-wide scale, however on a local scale the impacts are decidedly tangible: http://web.uvic.ca/~gsteeves/e... https://www.quora.com/Whats-th... I am all for getting rid of most cars and replacing them with bicycles and a massively increased clean public transportation infrastructure. Also, I persist in my main statement that our major problems are (those I listed, there are others of course) here on earth and there is no conceivable scenario in which expending resources on space-flight are going to solve them.
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Your kids will be covered by UBI so no worries for them. Yes, your kids would also get free college education, are you seriously complaining about that? Would you like to borrow a gun so you could shoot yourself in your literal feet as well? Screw around on tech projects all you want, I would like to do the same, maybe we'll start a club and exchange ideas and tips, maybe even start a business.
The bureaucracy is a jobs program, yeah, they should automate the whole thing to a high level of efficiency and instead pass on similar income to the same not-to-decline continuous percentage of the population.
Or, it could be more like Star Trek. Where we essentially have reached a post scarcity society and people work for the self-actualization aspect of a job rather than the desperate need to struggle to survive. You might then have children who are raised by parents who have devoted their lives to perfecting some art form, advanced mathematics as a hobby, cooking or woodworking for the bliss of it. Then hey-lets-go-to-Mars because we haven't been there and I would like a challenge since I am not worried about a sickness putting my family in the poor-house for the next ten generations...
Can you elaborate? Why is it garbage? Why does it require a slave or plebe class of literal subhumans ?
That's all fine and good but what you are proposing will only stave off the inevitable for at most a year or two. Automation is coming, it is already here and covering more ground faster and faster. Read "Rise of the Robots" it is an enlightening read.
https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Ro...
How would you propose penalizing anyone that overlooks the long-term unemployed/discouraged? Who would you propose get penalized? What would be the mechanism for detecting and punishing these despicable beings?
Not anymore:
https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Ro...
Uh, Bernie was pushing Socialism hard and were it not for the entrenched and dirty DNC and the Clinton Machine, he would now be the candidate of the Democratic party. Not all Mercan's are afraid of socialism anymore, mainly because they noticed that the trickle-down policies of a demented B-Movie actor had no basis in reality.
Except that it is a technology problem and that cheaper labor is a temporary substitute for eventual automation. Anything that can be off-shored can and will be automated, so especially the countries that are benefiting from offshoring will have a hard and quick fall due to automation. This is well explained in the book, "Rise of the Robots". https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Ro...
You are sitting comfortably on your high (but rapidly disappearing under you) horse decreeing that no one but those able to find the very few jobs left will be able to eat and live. How will you feel when your job is automated out? No, seriously, it can and will happen no matter how skilled you think you are. Your friends, your family, your neighbors, all their jobs automated out. Will you still be have such a cold-hearted view when everyone that you care about that is around you is in dire straits? When the job-less crisis is a world-wide phenomenon?
What will you contribute when everything you could possibly produce can be produced better, faster, cheaper, with more creativity and flair by a machine? See: https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Ro...
The thing is typically if you are brought up playing chess you are surrounded by a family that does things that families (or a parent) that plays chess do. Like eat well, read to/with their kids, converse on various current topics, discuss history, etc. So the chess happens to be one of many things but as we like to say around here "correlation does not imply causation". In this case, playing chess isn't the reason people are more able at intellectual pursuits, it just happens to be one of many things they have been breast fed since young. In cases where youth chess clubs are established in "the hood", the kids can and do excel at chess but that doesn't translate necessarily into broad academic achievement, other than the effect that it can have in their belief in their own ability to achieve.
That sounds a lot like our mandatory minimum sentencing laws for drug-related offenses. Who's barbaric now?
To the morons going on about chess vs checkers: Being a competitive chess player does not indicate increased ability in areas other than playing chess. If you think you are smarter than average it isn't due to your chess playing prowess, it is due to other factors/advantages in our genetics or more-likely upbringing.
That would explain MY employer's (major defense contracting corporation) incredible increase in profitability lately.
Except that he's not a moron and would not be assuaged by something that any fool could clearly see as a delaying tactic. They hired him for his expertise, people like him know what they know and he clearly had not just fallen off the turnip truck when he landed at "Yahoo!"
So, no kids? Nothing you love? Sad indeed.
Eating fat is not unhealthy. Being fat is unhealthy. Sugary and carby, or carby alone is unhealthy because it causes people to become fat. Just throwing that in to set the record straight.
Yeah, that is more correct
Open source version of Mathematica: http://www.gnu.org/software/oc....
Yeah, I have fantasies too that someone should design this huge capturing dome that can be driven over the methane escape plumes to then capture the methane and compress it into cylinders for transport. The super cool part of that would be that the process would only require some initial energy to get it started and once on site could operate off of whatever it was capturing, even capture enough to move the ship to a new location or for station-keeping if needed. I'm apparently not motivated enough to move to make something like this happen but someone out there might be looking into it already. Looking at it fatalistically, I think that even if we put the methane to use before releasing it into the atmosphere it will contribute to global warming. It may contribute less as by that time it would have been converted to a different gas(?).
Nothing in my post was even in the slightest religious. Did I offend your religion of corporate sponsored "Science"?
ShanghaiBill, please say that you're trolling (or don't, *wink*-*wink*). You are truly hilarious and I intend to follow every one of your posts. Your comedy level is astounding.
LOL. I thought you were serious for a minute. Now I see, you were really doing a "Stephen Colbert"
Except that due to ice melt, we are about to unleash several large methane caches that have been trapped under ice or under cooler waters. Some are already escaping as oceans warm.
It's not the scientists who have been crying wolf, but the Greens. Time after time after time, every discerned environmental problem is going to kill us all: famine, exhaustion of industrial metals, acid rain, the ozone layer, the energy crisis. Small wonder, then, that the average person is having trouble grasping the carbon problem.
Can we all agree to two things: let the science work itself out to find the truth, and set the engineers free to implement any fixes that may be needed?
Largely, "the Greens" have been vindicated. DDT was a very bad thing, the green "alarmist" in that case being the author of "Silent Spring", so DDT usage got shut down, at least in the US. The scientifists answer has always been "dilution is the solution", guess what? Turns out that they were wrong, thus dead zones in the ocean (algal blooms), anthropogenic global warming, the great pacific garbage patch, mercury poisoning of fish in the ocean.
let the science work itself out to find the truth
You mean the science as brought to you by Monsanto and the rest of the pharma/agro/med industries? Is that the science upon which you want the fate of humanity to rest on? Notice lately the articles surfacing about the sugar industry's influence on our US dietary recommendations? It took over 50 years for that shit to surface. You don't think the huge multinationals are controlling the debate and science in a similar but much more well-funded and studied manner?
set the engineers free to implement any fixes that may be needed
You are so cute. Do you really thing we can fix such a complicated system? Every time we meddle even on the small scale at which we've meddled so far, we break more than we fix. Who do you think is going to fund cleaning up the planet on such a scale? Are you a computer programmer? There is no restart in the real physical world, once we get to a bad enough place, only time will heal the planet. The healing process might take millions of years, maybe long enough for the destructive human species to die off, and good riddance to us.
Yes, you are right. Except for cows, I believe that pastured cows are not the source of pollution that industrial cows are as they are in balance with the pastures they are raised on. You are right in a larger sense regarding the impact on pollution a planet-wide scale, however on a local scale the impacts are decidedly tangible:
http://web.uvic.ca/~gsteeves/e...
https://www.quora.com/Whats-th...
I am all for getting rid of most cars and replacing them with bicycles and a massively increased clean public transportation infrastructure. Also, I persist in my main statement that our major problems are (those I listed, there are others of course) here on earth and there is no conceivable scenario in which expending resources on space-flight are going to solve them.