Your right, that is an inferior system. I just priced a Dell Inspiron 8000 that would be more comparable. This setup is $2420.00. You could replace the built-in NIC with a built-in wireless for $140 (vs $99 to add a airport card to a G4). I personally would bump the hard drive a couple sizes and add some 3rd party memory(Way cheaper) but that is just me. This system also could have DVD and CDRW in at the same time (pull the worthless floppy out) or you could just order the DVD/CDRW combo drive. They also have a lot of the bay swapping features that Macs have had for so long. I don't think it does the cool PCMCIA ejecting though. The one we have at work has everything built in so we don't have any to test with. The port replicator has a second NIC built into it and we use it for a fixed IP at the desk and the built-in on the laptop for DHCP when we go mobile. I've always thought my brother-in-law's Powerbooks were superior because of features but this Dell system levels playing field in my eyes. I want one of each.
1Ghz CPU
15.0" @ 1400x1050 or 15.4" @ 1280x1024
128MB SDRAM memory
10GB Ultra ATA drive
DVD-ROM
32mb ATI Rage Mobility 128
10/100BASE-T Ethernet
56K internal modem
Two USB ports
One FireWire port
The most avid user would have to concede that a 1Ghz PIII would out perform a 400Mhz G4
My brother-in-law always ran a trackball on his G3 laptop. I was amazed at the results he would get with that trackball sitting on his leg on road trips. Of course he is a professional graphic artist and maybe mere mortals can't do this.
While I agree that clock for clock a G4 will hurt an x86 CPU. The question was about Linux on G4/x86. Now if Gimp had some Altivec optimized plugins/filters then we would be cooking.
It seems that the poster wanted to run (genetic algorithms, mathmatical simulations,etc.) but neglected to mention if this is off the shelf software or if he can write/optimize the code for a G4. Obviously a G4 has the technical superiority with the larger cache and altivec but won't mean anything if you can't get optimized code for it. It's like driving a Ferrari but only able to drive in first gear (good but way below what it could do). Is anyone aware of any Altivec code in any compilers outside of Mac OS? Maybe you could cross compile with decent results.
If you can get the software and be reasonably optimized then I would go for the G4 laptop. I would also do the G4 if the apps were extremely ram intensive because you can get the G4 laptop with a Gig of ram but x86 laptops max out at a 1/2 Gig. I didn't see any mention of the 1Ghz laptops but it would be an acceptable alternative if this is the platform you can get the software you want.
I'd love to get RA2 running in Linux. Red Alert 1 works well in Wine. I had trouble getting the Commandos series working because it wouldn't find the CD no matter what I tried. I rebooted to Windows and cracked it so it didn't need a CD and now they work great. I've been spending a lot of time in UT since I just got cable and ping time is great but I've been wanting to play RA2 again.
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The spoofs have been so popular that Bud finally spoofed themselves and about time too. "What are you doing?" "Watching the market recap, drinking an import." Great stuff. I love the Halflife spoof that uses the commercial's audio.
You could also do a web demo of Citrix Metaframe and run Win2k and Office apps over the internet. Seriously though you can look at their Metaframe for Unix product. It does everything X does but is supposed to be more managed, secure, portable, etc. Their screenshots are mostly a Unix version of StarOffice 5.1 running on win2k. It a little more money than I can justify.
That right. I love my cdrom on my Palm Pilot and my digital camera. This really doesn't answer the question that was asked. The question is different devices not different computers.
I had twice that into my Apple IIgs when I was playing LSL at its release. I spent a lot of time playing Sierra Online games back then. I also played a lot of Wings of Fury and Tetris too. I still fire up an emulator from time to time to play.
If you use the -share option then everyone one connecting to the same display will have control of the mouse and keyboard. If you don't use it then you will disconnect the current user of the display. You must use the -viewonly option if you don't want to use use the mouse and keyboard when using the -share option. You can set the options to -alwaysshared or -nevershared on the server side to override the viewer options.
I think you can connect to display 0 and share it or you could have the students run the server and connect to it locally full screen and they wouldn't know the difference. There is also an option to do reverse connections if you set it up. This would allow the server to view the viewer's display(s). You should be able to use VNC to solve your problem but there is always more than one way to solve a problem.
P.S. Yes I was reading the docs for the xserver and xviewernot the Win32.
If your burner isn't cdr-only then try using cdrw disks instead. I've loaded Mandrake this way and it works like a charm. You can wipe it and reuse the disks for every beta if you want.
Corporate 1.0 is based on 7.1 with a customization wizard helping you setup everything the first time you logon. Seemed pretty handy to me but I moved on to 7.2 and set it up myself.
I think you hit the nail on the head there. That was basically what I was thinking, someone has already done it. You have to stop and ask yourself if the new is better than the old or not. Too many times people jump for the different without trying to work out the issues with what they already have. If you don't fix the issues, you will run into them all over again.
It looks great if you want to use aolserver, PostgreSQL and TCL. One of the things I like about PHPGroupware is the ability to use several webserver/database combinations (PostgreSQL, MySQL, Oracle, Apache, IIS, Unix, OS/2, Win32, etc.) . It's good to see several projects that are having some good success so we can find the project(s) that fit our particular needs.
I used to work at a computer store that custom built computers to specifications. I ended up testing returned merchandise. In my experience, Maxtors and Western Digital drives have had time frames and models that weren't as good as the rest. There was a time I wouldn't have bought a Seagate IDE drive of less than 4Gb because the smaller ones died way too quick but I would have bought any of their SCSI drives. The only brand I have seen that has been consistently good over the years is Quantum drives. They usually are a few dollars more but I have seen far fewer bad ones. I bought my last one before the merger so I can't comment on current models.
You better buy from someone who can provide support and not some fly-by-night online store. I worked at an authorized Supermicro dealer and we had to have an account setup to talk directly to support. I built dozens of systems with that board and never had problems with Adaptec controllers. I have to admit that I haven't tried USB because we were way beyond that board by the time Win98 came out of beta (if it actually has yet).
I used to talk directly to the head of the tech support and he was also in charge of overseeing development. We had some customers want some really particular bios settings and tech support said they would burn us custom bios if we really needed it. Have you actually tried updating the bios? I built a Lightwave animation box with a P6DBU and a 3d Labs Oxygen RPM video card. There was a conflict with the bios. I jumped on their site and found the updated bios right away. Their tech site is good with updated bios, pdf manuals, etc.
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Just a couple questions
You mean OSX has had terrible network support but great support coming around the corner in the form of a BSD network stack?
You mean OSX has had terrible 3d accelerated support but great support coming around the corner with a rewrite aimed at Voodoo, Matrox, etc.?
You mean OSX has had terrible software support but great support isn't around the corner? Like DVD players, Quicktime, IE, Office, etc.
Seriously, I think BeOS has a lot of good things but it hasn't been enough yet and it may never be enough on the desktop. Good SMP, 64bit Journaling filesystem, etc. might be enough for BIA because it has captured enough attention to possibly get it off the ground.
I'm going to mention a NT based product and let the moderators do their thing if they need to.
I was working a place that needed a HA product for NT. Most of the products wanted shared storage or used a file level replication that were either not 100% reliable or had way too much overhead. We stumbled across Vinca's Co-Standby Server. It establishes a 2-node cluster with a 100Mb, Fiber, etc. link between them. I realize that several packages do this but I think this one had a couple things going for it. The data had to be on a seperate physical disk or volume(s) and copied on a block level. You need 2 seperate disks or volume(s) if you wanted to fail over either direction (system, data and mirror for other system) or if you only had 2 disks you can do a fall back from to the other. You setup virtual IP addresses, shares, etc. and the other machine will assume it's identity if it doesn't answer in the time you tell to. We only rebooted our servers 1 time for SP4 in the year I was there after they were setup.
I'm not telling the poster that he should look into this non-open $3000-$4000 software on NT. What I am saying is that if a similar type of setup was done on a *nix setup then it would be about as bullet-proof as you can get on a commodity x86 box. I'm talking about a product from 3 years ago for NT. Surely someone can create a similar product on Linux/BSD/Etc..
To answer the whiners before they start: I would do this myself if I could but I have been severly handicapped by starting with NT. I've got a lot of retraining to do before I could help out with something like this.
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If you replace 3 boxes with one, how do you figure that the OS is better on saving power? How much more power would it use if you loaded BSD on the new box?
The Nvidia hardware should easily do everything the PowerVR 2DC 3D chipset can do and more. The DVD should be able to read the Sega format GDROM with a firmware update. Considering all this, I would have to agree that it shouldn't take much to do this with a little bit of hardware or even emulation if they chose. The hardest part of emulation is figuring out what the other person did so you can recreate it properly. If they are working together (if) then it shouldn't be to difficult to do.
For most of the OS's that is true. Check the page for Linux and you will see that will let you run the Linux version for free up to 50 users. You will have to get a new license every 6 months and won't have any support.
To quote from HP's site
If you wish to continue using the fully functional evaluation version of OpenMail after the six month evaluation period, we offer a FREE license key for up to 50 users. Once again, this is the fully functional product, but phone-in support and upgrades are not included. Manuals can be downloaded from our web site.
In order to receive a free license key for up to 50 users all you have to do is send an e-mail to linuxkey@openmail.com. This license key expires every six months, so you will need to get a new license key via this mailbox.
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Your right, that is an inferior system. I just priced a Dell Inspiron 8000 that would be more comparable. This setup is $2420.00. You could replace the built-in NIC with a built-in wireless for $140 (vs $99 to add a airport card to a G4). I personally would bump the hard drive a couple sizes and add some 3rd party memory(Way cheaper) but that is just me. This system also could have DVD and CDRW in at the same time (pull the worthless floppy out) or you could just order the DVD/CDRW combo drive. They also have a lot of the bay swapping features that Macs have had for so long. I don't think it does the cool PCMCIA ejecting though. The one we have at work has everything built in so we don't have any to test with. The port replicator has a second NIC built into it and we use it for a fixed IP at the desk and the built-in on the laptop for DHCP when we go mobile. I've always thought my brother-in-law's Powerbooks were superior because of features but this Dell system levels playing field in my eyes. I want one of each.
1Ghz CPU
15.0" @ 1400x1050 or 15.4" @ 1280x1024
128MB SDRAM memory
10GB Ultra ATA drive
DVD-ROM
32mb ATI Rage Mobility 128
10/100BASE-T Ethernet
56K internal modem
Two USB ports
One FireWire port
The most avid user would have to concede that a 1Ghz PIII would out perform a 400Mhz G4
My brother-in-law always ran a trackball on his G3 laptop. I was amazed at the results he would get with that trackball sitting on his leg on road trips. Of course he is a professional graphic artist and maybe mere mortals can't do this.
It seems that the poster wanted to run (genetic algorithms, mathmatical simulations,etc.) but neglected to mention if this is off the shelf software or if he can write/optimize the code for a G4. Obviously a G4 has the technical superiority with the larger cache and altivec but won't mean anything if you can't get optimized code for it. It's like driving a Ferrari but only able to drive in first gear (good but way below what it could do). Is anyone aware of any Altivec code in any compilers outside of Mac OS? Maybe you could cross compile with decent results.
If you can get the software and be reasonably optimized then I would go for the G4 laptop. I would also do the G4 if the apps were extremely ram intensive because you can get the G4 laptop with a Gig of ram but x86 laptops max out at a 1/2 Gig. I didn't see any mention of the 1Ghz laptops but it would be an acceptable alternative if this is the platform you can get the software you want.
I'd love to get RA2 running in Linux. Red Alert 1 works well in Wine. I had trouble getting the Commandos series working because it wouldn't find the CD no matter what I tried. I rebooted to Windows and cracked it so it didn't need a CD and now they work great. I've been spending a lot of time in UT since I just got cable and ping time is great but I've been wanting to play RA2 again.
The spoofs have been so popular that Bud finally spoofed themselves and about time too. "What are you doing?" "Watching the market recap, drinking an import." Great stuff. I love the Halflife spoof that uses the commercial's audio.
How about PI to 1 million places? or in a zip. Gotta love Project Gutenburg
You could also do a web demo of Citrix Metaframe and run Win2k and Office apps over the internet. Seriously though you can look at their Metaframe for Unix product. It does everything X does but is supposed to be more managed, secure, portable, etc. Their screenshots are mostly a Unix version of StarOffice 5.1 running on win2k. It a little more money than I can justify.
That right. I love my cdrom on my Palm Pilot and my digital camera. This really doesn't answer the question that was asked. The question is different devices not different computers.
I had twice that into my Apple IIgs when I was playing LSL at its release. I spent a lot of time playing Sierra Online games back then. I also played a lot of Wings of Fury and Tetris too. I still fire up an emulator from time to time to play.
I think you can connect to display 0 and share it or you could have the students run the server and connect to it locally full screen and they wouldn't know the difference. There is also an option to do reverse connections if you set it up. This would allow the server to view the viewer's display(s). You should be able to use VNC to solve your problem but there is always more than one way to solve a problem.
P.S. Yes I was reading the docs for the xserver and xviewer not the Win32.
If your burner isn't cdr-only then try using cdrw disks instead. I've loaded Mandrake this way and it works like a charm. You can wipe it and reuse the disks for every beta if you want.
Corporate 1.0 is based on 7.1 with a customization wizard helping you setup everything the first time you logon. Seemed pretty handy to me but I moved on to 7.2 and set it up myself.
I think you hit the nail on the head there. That was basically what I was thinking, someone has already done it. You have to stop and ask yourself if the new is better than the old or not. Too many times people jump for the different without trying to work out the issues with what they already have. If you don't fix the issues, you will run into them all over again.
It looks great if you want to use aolserver, PostgreSQL and TCL. One of the things I like about PHPGroupware is the ability to use several webserver/database combinations (PostgreSQL, MySQL, Oracle, Apache, IIS, Unix, OS/2, Win32, etc.) . It's good to see several projects that are having some good success so we can find the project(s) that fit our particular needs.
Try Hurd if you are looking for a different kernel.
I used to work at a computer store that custom built computers to specifications. I ended up testing returned merchandise. In my experience, Maxtors and Western Digital drives have had time frames and models that weren't as good as the rest. There was a time I wouldn't have bought a Seagate IDE drive of less than 4Gb because the smaller ones died way too quick but I would have bought any of their SCSI drives. The only brand I have seen that has been consistently good over the years is Quantum drives. They usually are a few dollars more but I have seen far fewer bad ones. I bought my last one before the merger so I can't comment on current models.
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I used to talk directly to the head of the tech support and he was also in charge of overseeing development. We had some customers want some really particular bios settings and tech support said they would burn us custom bios if we really needed it. Have you actually tried updating the bios? I built a Lightwave animation box with a P6DBU and a 3d Labs Oxygen RPM video card. There was a conflict with the bios. I jumped on their site and found the updated bios right away. Their tech site is good with updated bios, pdf manuals, etc.
You mean OSX has had terrible network support but great support coming around the corner in the form of a BSD network stack?
You mean OSX has had terrible 3d accelerated support but great support coming around the corner with a rewrite aimed at Voodoo, Matrox, etc.?
You mean OSX has had terrible software support but great support isn't around the corner? Like DVD players, Quicktime, IE, Office, etc.
Seriously, I think BeOS has a lot of good things but it hasn't been enough yet and it may never be enough on the desktop. Good SMP, 64bit Journaling filesystem, etc. might be enough for BIA because it has captured enough attention to possibly get it off the ground.
I was working a place that needed a HA product for NT. Most of the products wanted shared storage or used a file level replication that were either not 100% reliable or had way too much overhead. We stumbled across Vinca's Co-Standby Server. It establishes a 2-node cluster with a 100Mb, Fiber, etc. link between them. I realize that several packages do this but I think this one had a couple things going for it. The data had to be on a seperate physical disk or volume(s) and copied on a block level. You need 2 seperate disks or volume(s) if you wanted to fail over either direction (system, data and mirror for other system) or if you only had 2 disks you can do a fall back from to the other. You setup virtual IP addresses, shares, etc. and the other machine will assume it's identity if it doesn't answer in the time you tell to. We only rebooted our servers 1 time for SP4 in the year I was there after they were setup.
I'm not telling the poster that he should look into this non-open $3000-$4000 software on NT. What I am saying is that if a similar type of setup was done on a *nix setup then it would be about as bullet-proof as you can get on a commodity x86 box. I'm talking about a product from 3 years ago for NT. Surely someone can create a similar product on Linux/BSD/Etc..
To answer the whiners before they start: I would do this myself if I could but I have been severly handicapped by starting with NT. I've got a lot of retraining to do before I could help out with something like this.
If you replace 3 boxes with one, how do you figure that the OS is better on saving power? How much more power would it use if you loaded BSD on the new box?
The Nvidia hardware should easily do everything the PowerVR 2DC 3D chipset can do and more. The DVD should be able to read the Sega format GDROM with a firmware update. Considering all this, I would have to agree that it shouldn't take much to do this with a little bit of hardware or even emulation if they chose. The hardest part of emulation is figuring out what the other person did so you can recreate it properly. If they are working together (if) then it shouldn't be to difficult to do.
IF everyone can buy Macs then Linux/BSD/Etc. would have something to consider. I'd love to get my hands on one but I've got a house full x86 boxes.
Why wouldn't you just get a single Micron PC133 128Mb for $48.00?
To quote from HP's site
If you wish to continue using the fully functional evaluation version of OpenMail after the six month evaluation period, we offer a FREE license key for up to 50 users. Once again, this is the fully functional product, but phone-in support and upgrades are not included. Manuals can be downloaded from our web site.
In order to receive a free license key for up to 50 users all you have to do is send an e-mail to linuxkey@openmail.com. This license key expires every six months, so you will need to get a new license key via this mailbox.