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Ladies And Gentlemen, Linux 2.4
Lars Lehtonen writes: "The 2.0 kernel is no longer obsolete, it is now "vintage." 2.4.0 is out. " Here is a bit on
LinuxToday
but I'm sure there will be many more. I don't think the mirrors have updated as of this writing, but if I don't post this now, I'll have to spend the next 3 hours deleting hundreds of submissions. Download! Compile! Rejoice! Thanks to Linus and all the rest of the guys who made it happen.
Want to give money to someone? Give money to them! Look them up and send them what you will.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
The kernel being delayed does not hinder taking over Microsoft. It doesn't. There's nothing about the kernel that's a problem. All of the cool stuff like USB in 2.4 has been ported back to 2.2 long ago.
Engineering and the Ultimate
It's a relief to see a rational analysis -- thanks. I agree with the points that you're making and Linux serious hurts from the idea that usability is inversely proportional to looking pretty. So far, Linux has spent $0 in usability studies in comparison to the millions that Microsoft has spent -- and it shows.
VS7 is definitely a powerful IDE -- I'm quite impressed with its capabilities, though it isn't really an OS thing. The line between the OS and applications is rapidly blurring as the OS becomes more and more capable, which is why I think that the DOJ vs. Microsoft was crap. They had some predatory business practices, but I consider the browser an essential part of any modern computer. But that discussion is for a different time and a different place.
Just wanted to go on the record as saying thanks to Linus and the whole Kernel Crew for the LINUX 2.4 Kernel.
Thanks all!
Codifex Maximus ~ In search of... a shorter sig.
Yay for Open Source indeed!
No, Linux is not the best, neither are the BSD's, neither is VMS, Solaris or even Win2k. But they all might be the best solution for a certain problem.
Alas, I don't think Linux is bad software, no. I don't think Linux is a bad choice for a server system.
And now I wanted to put my reasons for not choosing Linux, but I don't think it would be of any value for you, or anybody. That's because everybody should take his/her of decision.
I was wrong trying to make my reasons clear, but I can say that I'm quite happy now having chosen FreeBSD. I don't feel any reason for going back to Linux. Maybe if I had newer hardware: yes. At the moment: no. But that's my own decision, you've made yours.
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friday, january 5
Saddam does it again! after buying up the entire stock of Sony PlayStation 2's (PS2), he once again annoyed the american geeks by opening so many simultaneous connections that the well-known hackersite kernel.org was unavailable for many hours. when asked about it, a hacker known only as 'anonymous coward' commented about the case: I don't know why he did it.. linux isn't truly free. he should've got BSD. We also asked a source at microsoft who wishes to remain anonymous about the inherent danger in the. He answered: we all know linux is the platform of choice for hackers, and this only demonstrates that only a closed source can provide security. let's all think on the danger that linux poses to our democracy.
//rdj
No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness.
--Sheikh Abd-Al-Kadir, 1587
No package manager in Slack.... Hello, pkgtool
That's what I meant, in the States the exploiter was Big Business while in the CCCP it was the Party. This is why neither of them should be implemented to the extreme.
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Or find some old machine, install Red Hat 6.2, and compile it there, then copy it to your RH7 system.
That's what I did (actually, I just had a system available which hadn't been upgraded to 7.0 yet) after trying the "kgcc" hack in the makefile, and getting lockup #1 (even RESET wouldn't bring it back to life - I had to turn it off) upon loading es1371, and lockup #2 (after disabling the sound module load) some time during the "linuxconf hooks" stage.
But now it _does_ seem to be working nicely, and I'm looking forward to testing its USB capabilities.
1. Why would you think that the linux softupdates implementation would be any better? If there is a significant difference, it'd be in favor of FreeBSD, as McKusick is a FreeBSD developer and all.
2. Sure, you could take major parts of the FreeBSD (or any BSD) kernel and start from there, but at what point would it just be easier to take BSD and add what Linux does better?
-bugg
A multithreaded IP stack doesn't make it faster. As a matter of fact, it's necessarily slower than it would be possible with a non-multithreaded stack, all other things being equal.
What it DOES make for is for greater performance on SMP systems and with multiple NICs.
FreeBSD is reputed to have a faster IP stack, as far as UP systems go. I don't know whether that's true or not, but many ex-Linux FreeBSD users do claim so. The huge (and record) throughput on ftp.freesoftware.com (formely ftp.cdrom.com) is sometimes cited as proof.
As for Windows, I don't know about 2000, but NT does have a multithreaded IP stack, one of the reasons why it beat the hell out of Linux (and FreeBSD) on a famous benchmark.
Still, real world throughput is likely to depend much more heavily on simple things like the accept filters or the kqueue interface than on the IP stack speed.
And while all the above might be true or not, it's not really the reason why heavy weights chose FreeBSD. What makes FreeBSD special for many is it's capability to handle heavy loads gracefully.
(8-DCS)
Well, most of the hardware on Linux or other free operating systems is supported by the vendors simple by giving the developers the interface, not the actual drivers.
I've asked for months for support from NVidea when I once bought my nvdidia riva128 chipset supported videocard. If at all a reply there was a corporate salemanager who said their standards were closed.
Sorry, but I can't really participate in your cheerfullness with NVidea.
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Right. I'm sure all the people downloading the kernel got to it by following the Slashdot link. Because Slashdot is the center of the universe.
At some level, centralization is necessary. Many people developing the same software with no or little central control almost always results in spaghetti code - people tend to write code the way they like it as long as nobody forces them to write it like the rest of the project is done. Different coding styles don't matter much, but imagine having two completely different apis for ide and scsi. It's a hell to try to find bugs in inconsistent code, and you don't get the consistency unless sombody forces it upon all the contributors.
A lot of the software that comes with BSD kernels is kernel-specific, in much the same way all Linux distributions have the same software packages that always get installed. Take mount, util-linux, modutils. (If this sounds completely fucked, it's because it was a good while ago I had Linux installed). And as the software's functionality and development is tied so tightly to the kernel it might as well be controlled by the same people who control the kernel itself, getting the same consistency.
The BSDs don't discourage new distributions or different ways of doing things more than Linux does. You are free to at any time take an existing BSD, or parts of it, call it something else and do whatever changes you wish. Remember that once there was only the BSD, developed at Berkeley. Now there are FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD, there's the commercial BSD/OS from BSDi, I've also heard of TrustedBSD and SecureBSD(?). Please, go ahead and fork! (Well, maybe not BSD/OS).
I think that BSD still is technically superior any other operating system family. When ever I need the best stability, security or portability, BSD is the way to go. I think that this centralized development, while still keeping the software free, is one of the key reasons.
The VM will be inspired from FreeBSD.
Even the "page aging" stuff which got into the 2.4 late was inspired from FreeBSD.
Don't be so closed mind, Free software is all about sharing knowledge..
Linux 2.4.0ac1
t hi s-week/0919.html
http://boudicca.tux.org/hypermail/linux-kernel/
Yeah, if he had a "one-click-one-dollar" donation button, I am sure he could have quickly made at least $10,000 tonight.
I haven't had much luck with freenet so far so I don't have it installed, that is why I am not going to, I don't want to sound like too much of a hypocrite.
This Wiki Feeds You TV and Anime - vidwiki.org
You can do the following, of course this only works if you've got rsync installed...
n ux-2.4.0.tar.bz2 linux-2.4.0.tar.bz2
rsync rsync://rsync.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/li
But make sure that you remove the space that slashcode likes to put on long lines...
I assume this is available to the outside world as well...
ftp://mirror.sit.wisc.edu/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/
http://mirror.sit.wisc.edu/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/
The last line of Linus's post is hilarious. "I won't care anyway." After this development cycle he's due for a long vacation.
And by the way, wasen't there some 2.4 release betting going on? Did anyone win?
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Sure, 2.4 still isn't here yet. But Linux developers have their wish lists for the 2.5 kernel
There were a few major things that had to be done right at the end of the development process after other things had stablilized, such as adding proper flushing and syncing to the page cache. The page cache is, by the way, where a lot of the improved performance of 2.4 comes from. Before the page cache was only used to reading, now it's used for reading and writing, consuming only half the cache memory. The other big performance improvement came from a fairly major modification to the memory management system, to use an approach called page aging which you can see works a lot better. This radical surgery all happened in the last 3 months of the leadup to 2.4, and there were a lot of stupid little bugs and problems to track down and kill as a result of it. It came together pretty fast, actually.
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I just downloaded linux-2.4.0.tar.bz2 from kernel.org. Perhaps you tried earlier than I did.
JET Program: see Japan, meet intere
I cannot believe that the above post, which was a reproduction of Linus's email to the kernel list, was tagged as flamebait. In case the moderator didn't know this, this is Linus's actual email, which you can find off of this Linux Today article.
If this happens to attract flames, it because the flamers are ignorant, and not because the poster is baiting for flames.
In other words, please moderate the parent to this post back up. Thank you.
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This has made my day.
--Giving to trolls for the benefit of us all
Kernel 2.4.0 is available for download in Australia at:
http://www.linux.org.au/mirrors/kernel/v2.4
and
ftp://ftp.linux.org.au/pub/kernel/v2.4
Currently (about 20:49 EST), the largest slashdot effect I've ever seen is taking place -
We're pounding kernel.org at almost 99 MBit/S.
Now only if they had another 1.5 terabit router...
You need... a new distro. Of course, it's always possible to do the upgrade, but there's going to be way too much stuff that will need to be installed. It's much simpler to re-install a new distro than to look for all the compatibility/utilities problems... I suggest you wait for your favorite distro to ship with a 2.4.x kernel and install it.
Opus: the Swiss army knife of audio codec
Now everyone will have to go change their votes from Pr0n to Kernel Downloads Sorry, only eligible residents of Florida are allowed to change their votes.
If you check the /scripts/MAKEDEV.ide script, it makes nodes for 20 ide drives (hda to hdt).
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it's called irony ;)
SLab is an excellent multitrack recorder/mixer. It is not up to snuff with ProTools yet (though no program is on any platform).
Other Linux audio related links include (sorry if some links are bad, I haven't updated this list in awhile):
Multitrack audio recording/mixing:
Ardour
Slab
Snd
Midi Sequencing:
Jazz++
Rosegarden
Brahms (I THINK this is a sequencer)
Sound editing / effects processing:
MixViews
ecasound
Audio creation (synth emulators):
Ultramaster RS-101 and Juno6 CSound
Cecilia (requires Csound)
Notation:
Lilypond
Rosegarden
Mup
Awesome pages with links to everything you wanted to know about Linux audio:
Applications for Open Sound System
Sound and MIDI software for Linux
Well, since you ask.. no. There are more worthy causes.
Um, no, Vistasource is continueing to support Applixware, they've just decided to integrate it with their line of server-based office apps (anyware).
here's one story on it (see the response at the bottom and a the direct link story. Note that the major change is the the name - from Applixware to Anyware Office Client. I don't know, but this may be because the original company, Applix, still exists, but doesn't do the office suite, they spun that off to VistaSource.
I was actually replying to his sig, "Long live Microsoft!", and not his statement.
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As a SCSI lover myself... I certainly can understand the sentiment... IDE sucks major ass.
There are however those who are stuck with it for a while. There are even those who are so blind as to not see how much it sucks and the greatness of scsi.
Its really not nice to pull the wool from over their eyes. Let them live in blissful ignorance, until such time as they can be helped.
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
I'm just waiting for the day people fall on their knees and start crying when Bill announces a new Windows version ;)
"Thank you Bill, old buddy! Please keep up the good work!
You must know using your procucts since DOS 3.30. I-LOVE-YOU, man!"
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For one thing, it's really shameful that lines like these two from acct.c:
ac.ac_io = encode_comp_t(0
ac.ac_rw = encode_comp_t(ac.ac_io / 1024);
have been hanging around for so long (and in linux/kernel/, at that!). As I recall, a patch for this was submitted for 2.3.x, but I guess it went nowhere.
Process accounting may not seem like a big deal to the typical desktop user, but for sysadmins (especially on big systems), it can be really important.
Sorry, I sort of assumed anywhere IP stack performance mattered [eg, machines under high demand], SMP was a given.
:-)
But thanks for the info about UP being slower with mutlithreading. I feel informed.
Anyone know of an NVidia Kernel driver for this?
The 2.2 ones don't work.
--"Karma is justice without the satisfaction"
There's one hitch: if you have a modem dialup link or a really crappy other link which is very unreliable, a whole bunch of mirrors won't let you resume FTP. If you have a crappy link, make sure you can resume.
Cheers...
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Of course, you could take the Debian approach; 2.4 as standard by 2002 maybe? Not that making sure everything is ICBM proof (well Linux is bullet proof already, isn't it?) is a bad thing of course.
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
Is that USB like in Universal Satan's Bitch? It's ok since you're adequately hot-pluggable to the Master, but I heard Firewire is the hottest new Standard down there.
Or, there's Dogbert's scheme:
:)
No-click shopping - if you DON'T click, you order something
A registry-like system build with libPropList could be cool, but it could get big enough to become an annoyance if it was in a single file. It's true some packages could use some more consistency.
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Please don't.
In an effort to get repeatable and diferentiable results, benchmarks always oversimplify. There is also the temptation to in designing for benchmarks to take shortcuts that "should" work. Very bad design criteria for servers.
All of you true Linux hackers can just treat this message as an implicit admission of ignorance on my part, but I suspect I'm typical of a large and growing segment of Linux users when I say the above statement is a load of fetid carp.
In the 3+ years I've been running Linux I have never successfully compiled a kernel. Until I gave up permanently about six months ago, I'd tried a half dozen distros, downloaded every piece of documentation I could find, got myself elected president of the official Linux for Idiots Club(TM), and trolled every newsgroup, tech support site and Linux users group I could find. And I still have never successfully completed a recompile. If it's not a failed dependency, it's a missing development tool, a misconfigured make script, inappropriate permissions, a missing header file, a bad symlink or one of a hundred and ten other gotchas that are lurking in some forgotten PID thread specifically to leap to the foreground and spoil any kernel build I get suckered into attempting when I read some statement telling me just how easy a kernel build is.
Felderkarb. I'll just wait for the next Mandrake release, thank you.
It's rather hard to use something that's supposedly the current "stable" version without one of the key pieces being present. How can I mount most of my system, since I keep it encrypted?
Color me shocked and disappointed.
Maybe some day....
That suddenly worries me. What's to stop someone from posting their site as a "mirror" here, and distributing a version of Linux with something evil like a trojan or a backdoor in it?
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Win dain a lotica, en vai tu ri silota
As a U. of Oregon grad, I knew this couldn't be right. Change
limestone.uoregon.net
to
limestone.uoregon.edu
Here's a direct link to the 2.4 directory (it is FTP, but thing's pretty damn fast so you can probably easily fake it through your browser).
-orty
Ignoranus: A person who is both stupid and an asshole.
ok, ok, so i'm bumping your karma but you know (or at least you should) that not everybody needs the handholding of large corporations to twiddle their bits. party pooper.
Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
Just stuck a copy up on our company site. Its got a v.large pipe (mmmm ... high bandwidth ...) so should be un-slashdottable.
http://www.hoojit.com/mirror/
bash-2.04$ find
/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/kernel/mtrr.c
/usr/src/linux/drivers/block/cmd640.c
/usr/src/linux/drivers/cdrom/sbpcd.c
/usr/src/linux/drivers/net/sunhme.c
/usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi/NCR53C9x.c
/usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi/esp.c
/usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi/qlogicpti.h
/usr/src/linux/drivers/video/tgafb.c
/usr/src/linux/fs/binfmt_aout.c
/usr/src/linux/lib/vsprintf.c
bash-2.04$ mail -s "is it too late to submit my 2.4 wish list?"
LESS INSANITY MORE PROFANITY, YOU FUCKING PUSSIES!
^d
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There is a mirror running at www.gravitysucks.org for the kernel download. It will be there for at least a week till things calm down, so enjoy it, and I'm wondering just how much of a hit my server will take, so this should be interesting.
and to those who wonder why I simply say...
John(burned on the Linux-Mandrake 7.2 Complete, and grumpy about it)zo.
Ladies And Gentleman, Linux 2.4
Story of my life... I'm the gentleman.
-- Explosion in kernel growth, putting security and stability at a lower level than feature richness.
-- Defraction and scattering of features. Too many distros who all have their own way of thinking about how the best Linux system should look like.
-- Loose application of standards. An oldy is the BSD versus System5 style init in Slack vs. Redhat.
-- Commercialisation of the attempts of many to produce a "free" operating system. Moreover: doing that at such a high rate that the quality of the whole system degrades (I point to the massive distro RedHat, while also looking at some of the smaller ones like SuSE or Debian).
To make a simple conclusion: the spirit of creating a free operating system which does better than the commercial ones, and therefor creating good code at every line of C one writes, is and has been disappearing slightly.
This is not an attempt to start a flame, it's more an attempt to show my reasons why I stepped over to Linux.
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I hate my ISP. So to help consume their bandwidth, here is my very own mirror.........
http://www.primenet.com/~rwd/linux-2.4.0.tar.gz
Hmm. Posting a 2.4.0 kernel link on slashdot eh? That's not really your site is it? ;)
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And people were calling it vaporware, BAH!
http://www.jfedor.org/linux-2.4.0.tar.gz
You need apt. If you can't use apt to upgrade, you'd have an easier time with a new distribution.
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FINALLY!!! Thanks Linus and everyone else who have put in so much time and effort into Linux. You guys rock
Is the 2.4.0 mascot a Monolith with a bowtie and a white front?
I've been running Linux 6.2 for months!
>> 1. Photoshop
>gimp
Recommending the gimp as a replacement to photoshop proves that you have never done any real design work in a real print house. Comparing the Gimp to Photoshop is like comparing a four-function calculator to a HP-48gx. The Gimp has pathetic CMYK support... especially when compared to PS6. And, whereas the gimp is a great product (don't get me wrong, I use it tons!) it lacks the finished quality of photoshop.
>> 2. Quark
>adobe's thing, framemaker. heard rumors it may be coming back to life on linux. This is probably your strongest point.
You're comparing Quark, the premiere desktop-publishing software, used by the entire newspaper/magazine industry to framemaker, a produce Adobe itself cancelled on the Windows end and replaced with InDesign? Get real.
>> 9. Outlook
>yeah, like you need a gui to read email. mail, mailx, mh, mutt, pine on the CLI off thetop of my head. www-email in any of several browser, and this includes calendar functionality. Oh and of course the 20+ gui email clients (kmail and balsa come to mind)
You've never actually worked for a large company (read: over 1,500 employees) ever have you? The strongest features of Outlook are it's groupware tools, and there's nothing like that for Linux. God help if you try to plan a meeting involving 15+ people in 5 different buildings without some groupware.
>> 10. $GAME (Everything except Quake3 I guess).
>www.loki.com for starters. More are out there.
Dude, let's be serious here... go to gamespot.com, dailyradar.com, gamesdomain.com, etc... and find me 3 games on the front page of any of those sites that are out for linux. Linux gaming is AT LEAST a year behind windows gaming. Remember the excitement when Descent 3 came out two years after the PC version? That highlights how pathetic Linux gaming truly is.
I'm not saying, Linux isn't getting there, and neither is the original poster of this thread. However, you have to realize that for some truly professional pieces of software, you can't find linux replacements.
Oh, sarcasm. Sorry.
I am not a lawyer.
Don't feel bad.
You wouldn't be able to use SDRAM in your SIMM slots anyway...
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Hum..
I Have a Mastercard. Does that mean that i CAN'T Donate few bucks to Linus??
*sigh*
I Love exclusive contracts..
Ciao.
assert(expired(knowldege)); core dump
That sounds like a strange way to solve things - I doubt that egcs 1.1.2 will compile a lot of C++ successfully, for example. A better solution might be to just update gcc in RH7 to gcc-2.96-69.
GNU/Linux. The Freshmaker.
You think that is bad?
When I read this press release I put my chair ontop of the hutch on my cubicle desk - hopped up and took off my shirt. I proceeded to conmence screaming "Who's yo Daddy? Wh0's yo Daddy? Linux is 3-1-3-3-7 - and you SUX0RS biatch!?!?!?" (the 3-1-3-3-7 and SUX0RS came out as "three - one - three - three - seven" etc). All the while slapping my own a$$ and dancing (ala the movie "American Pie" -- the scene with the guy dancing for the exchange student)
Being that I work in a 100 year old steel mill in an Engineering Dept (Save me fellow geeks - im surrounded by PROCESS ENGINEERS! (*SHUDDERS*)) -- I am now writing this from a empty Ladel normally used to move molten metal ---- They are intending on dumping me in a furnace. They think Im posessed by a Penguin...
Actually, My wintendo ME ran quite well on my 233mmx. Funny thing is that I see no real performance improvement in ME now that I'm on a Duron 650.... And MP3s actually skip more. I'll go back to linux on a permanant basis just as soon as I get my AWE64 working again... (It worked under standard Mandrake, but broke immediately upon compiling 2.4 test8, and every step since. *shrug* And yes, I updated modutils... Dunno what the deal is, but in the true Linux spirit, I'll keep plugging along and fiddling with it 'til it works.... )
Obsolete my ass! I've got a 386 SX/25 Leading Edge laptop that is running quite happily on 0.97, thankyouverymuch! Amazing what you can do in 4 MB of RAM and 60 MB of HD space... :)
-- Ed Carp, N7EKG erc@pobox.com PGP KeyID: 0x0BD32C9B What I'm up to: http://intuitives.mine.nu
Why wouldn't you just get a single Micron PC133 128Mb for $48.00?
Don't get me wrong, I love Linux and I want to see it make people's jaws drop. I am just really disappointed right now.
The 2.4 kernel is locking up my dual CPU test machine as I write this (from work). All the VM work they were doing still needs some tuning up, no doubt. I hope that Linus and the others do not suffer from a public embarassment by releasing a kernel that supposedly scales to 16 processors easily yet it locks up a dual CPU machine. Obviously, this was not ready for prime time.
Care to guess what I was running? 2 Setiathome processes reniced to 16 and 17.
Machine
Mobo: Abit BP6 w 2 celeron 366's oc'd to 550.
RAM: 512 MB
SCSI: Tekram 390u2w
I have been running this machine for a year and a half without incident (except for the nasty SMP bug around 2.2.10). It kicks butt with 2.2.17.
I use Slackware and install everything... disk space is so cheap these days.
Seriously though - rather than use expert install have you thought about using the tagfiles feature? The disk sets themselves are pretty stable between releases and if you're missing a tag file then the install will prompt you for an answer.
I've never used the feature and haven't found much info on it, but I'm sure volkerdi@slackware.com will be happy to help out.
(-1, redundant)
No, it isn't. It's a patch which upgrades the prerelease to the full 2.4.0 kernel. This was already mentioned in several other posts.
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Cthulhu fhtagn!
DON'T FORGET THIS STEP! First time I untared a kernel in /usr/src, I forgot to do this, and wiped out my current kernel source tree and all my current, working config files. Actually, aside from a lot of cursing and sweating and having to figure out all those arcaine options, no real harm was done, but it created a lot of extra work before I was done!
Another hint - Save your old kernel! It is very simple to stick two or more kernels in the lilo.conf file. Call your original one "linux" (the default), and the new one "new". Then, on the LILO command prompt, type "new". That way, if you've managed to hopelessly bugger the new kernel, you can still boot the old one.
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34 files contained the word fuck in this release. This must be a record or what?
Around here, if a company sends you goods without you ordering them, and tells you to send them back if you don't want them, you don't have to pay for them, or send them back.
I suffer from attention surplus disorder.
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Thanks for the link, I'm loading it right now. Till I switched from RedHat's 2.96 back to egcs-2.91.66, quite a few things wouldn't compile properly. Now, nearly everyting (user error not counted, of course).
A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
RedHat does it like Debian.
The first thing I did when I found out 2.4 was out was head over to Namesys to see about that. From the FTP site:
- 306954 Jan 5 09:49 linux-2.4.0-reiserfs-3.6.24-patch.gz
It's there. Gtab it. Have fun. A link for the impatient: ftp://ftp.namesys.com/pub/2.4/linux-2.4.0-reiserf
Is there an LVM tool/utility that gets compiled with the Kernel? Do you need to reformat disks to get LVM on existing machines? If not, how are existing disks delt with?
--Donald
www.rdex.net
Just imagine what ten million Linux users will be doing all weekend.
Attempting to Download, Attempting to Compile & Install a new Linux kernel.
yeah, up yer ass!
I have a cable modem, and to get IP forwarding working I used:
/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
s /NAT-HOWTO.html
iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
echo 1 >
eth0 is connected to the cable modem, eth1 is connected to my other computer.
For more information try: http://netfilter.kernelnotes.org/unreliable-guide
After the huge success of the Top Ten Vaporware Projects of 2000 list, Wired has begun compiling their Top Ten Vaporware Projects of 2001 list.
Topping that list today, 4 January, 2001, is the 2.5 version of the Linux kernel. After people "played with it," Linux 2.4 has been de-vaporised, but now the "Open Source Community" is reportedly talking about version 2.5! They are looking to the future, they claim.
Well, as we here at Wired well know, "looking to the future" is just an euphemism for "some future version of our product that doesn't really exist will be perfect," unless it is paid advertising by a large corporation.
Harry Neebiter, Staff choadalist, reporting
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
Debian of course, for a few months now.
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You've been warned...
A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
The 1st time I saw the use of w00t was from one of the plan files at iD during the development of Quake 1, it could have been John Cash.
My $0.02
How can something with no release date possibly be late anyway??
/..sig file not found - permission denied.
I'd have to disagree. Half assed is better than nothing. And supporting linux is a choice that they had to make, and it possibly cost them a lot of resources. If they hadn't touched linux at all they wouldn't be dealing with this negativity and I think it is much more important to get vendors interested than to stand behind them with a whip and a deadline.
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (ok, and 1 other: finaly)
155kb/sec for me. Get it there, folks. Really. ftp://ftp.linux.org.uk/pub/linux/linux-2.4/linux-2 .4.0.tar.gz
Hopefully Sparc and some of the other ports will begin to stabilize now.
:)
And maybe I'll have to figure out why the APM in my Compaq Presario 1670 laptop locks 2.4 up solid
Brian Macy
When exactly was this removed? I find it hard to believe since I'm running 2.4.0-test10 on my machine with 4 ide channels onboard (abit kt7-raid).
The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.4.0
The latest beta version of the Linux kernel is: 2.3.99-pre9
I'm so used to seeing the latest beta with a higher version number. Looks wrong for some reason.
"I'll take the red pill. No! Blue! AAAaaaahhhhhhhhh"
- Monty Python meets the Matrix
yes it is :)
cpeterso
You can find it mirrored at orphansonfire
I am a Solaris(x86) user, but I think I might take it offline for a week (or so) and test drive the 2.4 kernel.
I'm glad that Linus doesn't release software before it's time. I don't understand how the critics (and other software companies) can criticize the delay. Especially since it is developed by a group of volunteers, and they give it away for free. Linux may be the only Operating System in which you get more than you paid for. Thanks Linus, and I can't wait to test drive 2.4.
I want my rights back. I was actually using them when our government stole them after 9/11.
Yep. I've applied this already. Everything in either bug or security has been applied.
A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
1. Why would you think that the linux softupdates implementation would be any better? If there is a significant difference, it'd be in favor of FreeBSD, as McKusick is a FreeBSD developer and all.
The phase tree algorithm will not be superior initially. But it raises the possibilities that the file system could be made algorithmically much faster by utilizing the phase tree for file searches. FFS is already log structured, so this could be a wash. The phase trees could be faster. The phase trees could always have log structuring added later. Phillips is a long long time file system/database programmer, who has decades of experience with atomic soft update algorithms.
2. Sure, you could take major parts of the FreeBSD (or any BSD) kernel and start from there, but at what point would it just be easier to take BSD and add what Linux does better?
At this point linux kicks the crap out of any of the BSD ports for SMP machines. Especially multi-CPU multi-NIC machines. And the fine grained locking is quite arduous to add and debug. Since I use an SMP machine at work regularly, this matter a lot to me. For example, Linus specs his four CPU machines at 370% of the kernels with only one CPU compiled in.
To a single user machine, I don't think there are such strong arguments for linux over BSD now, especially as FFS + soft updates is a clear advantage. Where will the future lead - I don't know. But I am pretty sure I will be using linux, and possibly also FreeBSD. Both are great. Discussing the relative merits of one shouldn't automatically prompt one to say all development should be dropped for the other.
May they both live long and prosper.
Similarly... I normally wait a few weeks before installing a new dot-even release, as the release is likely to be followed by a quick string of quick fix patches.
:-)
... My curiosity, this time however, is too much, and I'm off to upgrade
You're right that Linux does have a clear lead over FreeBSD in SMP for now (until 5.0 is released) but how is it better for multi-NIC machines?
"Under Capitalism, man exploits man. Under Communism, it's the other way around
.sig means? im sorry - I dont see it. Unless its is that communism == capatalism...?
Kiro~
Can you explain what your
I read your message that was scrawled with a crayon and sent on a carrier pigeon. These "web browser" things sound great. What are they? How can I get one?
Yeah, I've considered using the tagfiles, but it's one of those, "I'll get around to it _eventually_" type projects. *sigh*
I was a bit worried about this too. I installed 2.4 anyways, and my aliases still work.
Well, it's not entirely impossible to just install a newer distro and download 2.4. I've got a Mandrake 7.0 laptop that I've done extensive upgrades to without any major problems. (kernel 2.2.18, gnome 1.2.1, other stuff)
There are drivers in the kernel and userland tools like vgcreate, lvcreate, lvextend, etc.
I'm pretty certain you need to clobber the disks to start using LVM. With disk prices the way they are today, I just bought new disks, rebuilt on them, then imported my old ones when I was finished.
How long should we expect it to take companies like Red Hat
and SuSE to start selling the new distributions?
thanks in advance
UMAX Astra 2000U scanners don't work... apparently UMAX won't release details. They're the kind off USB scanner that only has software controls, even for things like turning off the lamp :( I'm always afraid if I leave it on in linux the lamp will burn out. The SANE page regarding them isn't really all that helpful. Of course, UMAX's software is only for Windows and Mac.
I guess the distinction is really between 'can't' and 'don't' then. The hardware doesn't care what OS it's under.
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The detatched signatures that you should be downloading with your kernel that are signed by kernel.org.
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Not true. There was more to it that a recompile.
You also needed a new version of dhcpcd ( >= 1.13.x, If memory serves).
Linux 2.2.x doesn't do many-to-many and many-to-few NAT and as far as I know still doesn't do it in 2.4.0, but I don't think it would be a big stretch to implement it in the new netfilter structure.
Stateful inspection allows connection tracking. I think a lot of hacks were required to give MASQUERADEing enough state to work within ipchains. Life is easier with iptables since the state is maintained by iptables. For example, since iptables can see connection creates and tear-downs, MASQUERADEing knows when to stop connecting a realIP:port to a fakeIP:port.
The RAID drivers are alpha as in misnomer. This is the directory they distributed from and at one point it was a correct label. I believe there are a few features that should still be considered alpha/beta (on-line expansion, for example), but the standard RAID[0|1|5] stuff is great.
Linux 2.4.0 has support for up to 10 (yes ten) IDE channels. How does /dev/hdt sound?
I think you should change your homepage to an even better subversion
I'm currently running 2.4.0test12 on a system I just built, not just because I wanted to be cool and brag to all of co-workers (who would of course give me a blank stare and go on about the NY Jets, etc.), but because I had use for the features. What I'm actually using in 2.4.0:
It has been promised that reiserfs will show up in 2.4.1. Imagine a journalled filesystem! Currently, filesystem checks on my volumes requires about 45-60 minutes. That sucks. I'm
That said, I agree, don't use them if you don't need the features. I had a lot of problems with test11. I was one of many that saw panics when running RAID5, sometimes within 4 hours after boot. test12 hasn't failed yet, but it has only been 20days.
It would be more useful if the links (esp. the HTTP links) contained some path info. The front pages of the sites don't always contain obvious pointers to the Linux kernel archives.
`ø,,ø!
Free Software: Like love, it grows best when given away.
Go on IRC at irc.openprojects.net channel #nvidia and the bot named "ice-dcc" can hook you up with the appropriate patches. I'm running 2.4.0 final with full acceleration on my GeForce 2MX right now.
Wow. Now, I'll admit, I haven't touched a linux box in over 18 months, but, when I was using it as my daily desktop, it was just sort of assumed that running linux meant recompiling the kernel with some frequency...
times, they are-a-changin.
Or just use Debian and do:
cd /usr/src/linux ../kernel-image-etc.
make xconfig
make-kpkg clean
make-kpkg --revision=some_unique_tag kernel_image
dpkg -i
shutdown -r now
If you have PCMCIA modules, you'll have to get the latest PCMCIA modules package and use make-kpkg to create a .deb and install that as well. It is just as easy as making a kernel .deb.
Man, Debian rocks! :)
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and how much of all that bandwidth is being consumed by people who are constantly reloading the page to see how much bandwidth is being consumed??
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I tried installing 2.4.0 however I noticed that NVIDIA doesn't officially support the 2.4 kernel series with their (ahem, binary only) kernel driver. Has anyone tried using 2.4.0 or any of the 2.4 test kernels with an NVIDIA card and gotten successful results? If not, I'll have to stick with 2.2 until the next driver comes out.
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I plan on staying at 2.0 for my servers =) no need to upgrade something that is working hehe.
(well, it will be when cultural anthropologists read this post in the year 5009 ...)
Of course, since everyone runs some Debian-based distro then, they will also wonder why their Earth calander of software history seems to be about 8 months off;)
simon
"Hey Carlito, r'membah me? Benny Blanco from the Bronx!"
I bet the best kernel will be 3.2.
I just ran across the street to my neighbor who's a diehard NT user and danced circles around him with my stuffed Tux screaming "VAPORWARE MY ASS! T UX OWNS J00!".
-antipop
Every slashdotter should contribute 1 dollar. Then we can hire linus some hot chicks.Think about how his sex life must have suffered
"Sorry baby, no sex tonight, I gotta write some drivers"
Its the least we can do for our heroe
As always... http://www.kernel.org/mirrors/
Goddamn fucking thing won't work on Windows!!
Ive now been using 2.4 for 30 minutes, and id like to give my impression of it so far.
First, It booted FAST, not just the kernel, but the userland programs too. I was impressed,
Next, I played some MP3s and it uses all 4 speakers properly now (rear ones wouldnt work) so that was a pleasant surprise. I decided to compile a little program in X, normally, when doing something like that, my cursor will be kind of choppy, but no more. It handles well. It also detected the USB scanner ive still got hooked up from Windows, still dont know if I can actually scan though (i never scan these days, never really cared)
Im still playing, but if your reading this article wondering if you should use it, give it a try. There is definatly a noticable performance increase. I love it, its been long awaited for 2.4, the wait was well worth it.
Linux: Because a PC is a terrible thing to waste.
James Brents
Its easy to see that Linus tried to make good on his promise to have 2.4 out by the end of '00 (so close!). But when it didn't hit schedule, he had no problems eating his words. Some things can't be bought, I guess...
More
Someone should teach you a lessons in acting normal with grand mal retardation.
Moron.
hmm ian u seem to noe alot about linus' wife
It has been promised that reiserfs will show up in 2.4.1.
There is already a reiser patch for 2.4.0 on
ftp://ftp.namesys.com/pub/2.4/
>Not true. There was more to it that a recompile.
:-), normal TCP/IP stuff, and anything else that dhcpcd would have offered (except, I suppose, renewing the IP).
:)
I use this kernel feature at my College to network boot machines without local storage. They get their IP Address inside the kernel boot and never run dhcpcd. They can do NFS mounts (obviously, since one is required at boot to do anything
To enable DHCP in the kernel, enter the "Networking Options" section. Enable "IP: kernel-level configuration support". Choose DHCP support. The help doesn't mention anything about dhcpcd.
But, like I said, I'm using 2.2.16 to check this... Maybe 2.2.0 didn't have the feature.
If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
Oh, gee, I don't know, maybe because this is just about a hobby for most if not all of these guys and not really their job on a day to day business like say the OS programmers for M$, SUN, or Apple...
Let me second that. I have a 2CPU celeron system and I do run / dev lot of Java stuff. I use Jbuilder4 IDE from BOrland with IBM JDK 1.3. Before the CPU usage bar would be above 50% when using heavy IDE work. Mostly b/c it is switching b/w threads. XMMS also runs in multiple threads and would excercise CPU heavily (even when not playing MP3s).
:-)
Now enter 2.4. When playing XMMS max CPU usage is just 5-10% as opposed to 50-70% with 2.2. Java threads 'feel like' threads once again
If you have an SMP system, you'd love 2.4.
most distributions seem to want to install about 6 or more editors, 4 browsers, 5 window managers
errr... that's because you click "Newbie: Full Install"
"After a long beta testing period and many delays, Windows 2000 shipped with 64000 documented bugs of which 25000 were considered serious by Microsoft itself"
:)
But it is also known that the word "Bug" in this context doesn't mean 'able to crash system/application' but more in the sense of features that haven't made it yet in the release as if the developpers hoped for.
This is also the case for these 25000 thingies. Read the quality press (german C'T for example) for really to the bone tests, and you'll find that Windows 2000 is a worthy oponent (which we can beat in no time never the less
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2 is not equal to 3.
Even not for very large values of 2.
$ /sbin/lsmod
Module Size Used by
via-rhine 9936 1 (autoclean)
vfat 11760 2 (autoclean)
fat 32128 0 (autoclean) [vfat]
emu10k1 46000 0
Not just loaded, but working.
The kernel notes want modutils v. 2.4, claiming 2.3.x increase the likelihood of bugs. So my setup may work fine, but maybe others won't.
How? I found a line in param.h, but is there a better way?
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there is no application in liux that can match the effctiveness and raw power of maya or 3ds max. blender and pov ray are toys compared to Kinetix 3ds max or studio tools and there is no comparison to Alias/wavefront Maya .But fear not.
Maya is ported to linux (red hat & suse )if I remember correctly ,and as for 3ds max they started an open source project for the game-stage deign equivalent of their flgship product
LISTEN, ServerSocket: *g*
Ok, you said Linux as a "cool thing" has had its time.
Possibly you're right. But, on the other hand, I think you didn't ever have to get done some real piece of work with your box.
People who need to work with their computer choose their OS by asking themselves if they can efficiently get their work done with it.
Just kiddies and loudmouthed lamers ask for the "coolness" of their OS. Most of these guys are heavily suffering from an inferiority complex.
You are right about the 64,000 figure, but wrong about the serious ones. Windows 2000 shipped with *NO* "Showstopper" bugs listed in the database.
After the shipment, the programmers went back and reviewed the 64,000 bugs and immediately eliminated 25,000 of them as previously fixed, which is where I think you get that figure from. The rest of the issues were either a) simple things, like the word "microsoft" not being capitalized.... a button in the wrong place.... etc. Nothing that would cause a crash or prevent you from using a feature, or b) issues with specific hardware.
Whether you like Microsoft or not, I haven't had any major crashes on Windows 2000 with this machine, other than a beta driver which happened twice. I've used it as my primary since December of 1999, since I was a beta tester.
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True... this is one area where Linux will have to improve greatly before we would ever consider it for our NOS. We are currently looking at upgrading from Novell 4.11 to either Netware 5.1 or Windows 2000. We need a good directory service, and fine-grained file permissions.
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The only reason that anything ever ships is through the influence of a corps of strong individuals. Other free operating systems have been tried and failed. The Linux difference is Linus (and Alan, and others...)
The main reason Copland failed to ship is that there wasn't a strong enough leader with both the desire and the political power to say to put his/her foot down and say "we ship on this date, and we're going to lose features to meet it." Had there been strong leadership, it could've shipped within six months.
Linus is willing to ship.
Current Apple management is willing to ship.
Microsoft is willing to ship with more bugs than anyone else on the planet.
(I dunno about you, but I'm sure happy this isn't 1995, when Microsoft seemed to hold a death grip on the computer/software industry, which was becoming increasingly staid, dull, and boring.)
Anyway, my point is that a bunch of random freaks will have no visible impact on anything without strong leadership.
Linux has spent $0, eh? So what are you suggesting, that our kernel should spontaneously animate and then get a job, earn some money, and then spend it? ON USABILITY STUDIES????
EH?
I hear your Windows box calling you. It's needs you to reboot it. While you're there, ask your Windows kernel how much it's spent on usability studies.
-- "In order to have power, I must be taken seriously." -Mojo Jojo
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http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.ve.kernel .org/mirrors/+mirrors+United+States+site:kernel.or g&hl=en
And I'll post a mirror of the kernel when it's done downloading, too (25% there...)
Carousel is a lie!
kernel.org got SLASHDOTTED!
/.!
I'll bet if they posted their logs, half of the referals would come from
Anyway, for those of you who can't get through (everyone), here's the list of US mirrors...
(HTTP)
www.ymb.net
kernel.stuph.org
ftp.compsci.lyon.edu
jhcloos.com (100 Mbit/s)
www.in-span.net (200 Mbit/s)
www.internap.com
www.gnaps.com (250 Mbit/s)
www.semaphore.com
www.linux.locus.halcyon.com
sourceforge.net
www.rowan.edu
www.sit.wisc.edu
www.netop.surfsouth.com
metalab.unc.edu
kernel.valinux.com
(FTP)
www.ymb.net
kernel.stuph.org
www.cais.com (100 Mbit/s)
ftp.compsci.lyon.edu
cac.psu.edu
mirror.chpc.utah.edu (100 Mbit/s)
www.clarkson.edu
www.club.cc.cmu.edu
kernel.csh.rit.edu
www.nas.nasa.gov (100 Mbits/s)
www.cybertrails.com
jhcloos.com (100 Mbit/s)
osu.orst.edu
www.in-span.net (200 Mbit/s)
www.internap.com
www.gnaps.com (250 Mbit/s)
www.stealth.net (200 Mbit/s)
www.semaphore.com
www.linux.locus.halcyon.com
sourceforge.net (90 Mbit/s)(probably swamped)
limestone.uoregon.net (300 Mbits/s)(good bet)
www.netnitco.com
www.ndlug.nd.com
www.rowan.edu
www.sit.wisc.edu
www.netop.surfsouth.com
www.twtelecom.net (155 Mbit/s)(Good for RoadRunner users)
kernel.valinux.com (45 Mbit/s)(50/50 chance)
No number = less than 50 Mbit/s. Happy compiling! Note: sites are not hyperlinked because my fingers already hurt!
CAP THAT KARMA!
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SIG: HUP
Well, at least they are providing, at least RSN, internet access for you. Although, Starbucks may object even more strenuously than your employer (with cops) to nakedness in their place of business.
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
I would suggest 2 clicks, otherwise that $10,000 should just cover his legal defence when Amazon sues his ass.
At least you're not making designer jeans for Kathie Lee.
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
I just pulled down the kernel from that link at 150Kbps... slashdot effect is hype.. only works on sites on 64kbps ISDN links..
I highly recommend NOT CLICKING that link.
ncftp .../pub/linux/kernel/v2.4 > get linux-2.4.0.tar.bz2
:)
linux-2.4.0.tar.bz2: ETA: 0:29 4.06/ 18.87 MB 517.17 kB/s
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Careful of what you speak, for I can hear potential hordes of windoze users shouting the same thing of Linux....
I downloaded it, renamed it KERNEL.DLL, and overwrote it in my WINDOWS\SYSTEM directory. Now Windows won't boot at all. Stupid Microsoft monopoly, strangling competition
;)
I don't understand why functionality should be taken from the kernel? Sure it may be rare for equipment like this to be in use but every time you take away a feature you take away flexibility. With bandwidth and disk space as abundant as it is today, the size of the kernel is not such an issue. It seems a waste to me.
I was all excited to build the new kernel, and then I discovered that doing a 'make menuconfig' would only allow me the choice of saving to an alternate configuration file, with no way to configure the kernel...upon investigating, I found these errors:
Preparing scripts: functions, parsingscripts/Menuconfig: line 1: 22694 Segmentation fault awk "$1"
Awk died with error code 139. Giving up.
....scripts/Menuconfig:
......scripts/Menuconfig:
..scripts/Menuconfig:
....scripts/Menuconfig:
...............scripts/Menuconfig:
scripts/Menuconfig:
................scripts/Menuconfig:
scripts/Menuconfig:
..scripts/Menuconfig:
...done.
Anybody else have this problem, or know of a fix for it?
From linux/Documentation/Changes:
;)
Current Minimal Requirements
Upgrade to at *least* these software revisions before thinking you've
encountered a bug! If you're unsure what version you're currently
running, the suggested command should tell you.
Again, keep in mind that this list assumes you are already
functionally running a Linux 2.2 kernel. Also, not all tools are
necessary on all systems; obviously, if you don't have any PCMCIA (PC
Card) hardware, for example, you probably needn't concern yourself
with pcmcia-cs.
o Gnu C 2.91.66 # gcc --version
o Gnu make 3.77 # make --version
o binutils 2.9.1.0.25 # ld -v
o util-linux 2.10o # fdformat --version
o modutils 2.4.0 # insmod -V
o e2fsprogs 1.19 # tune2fs --version
o pcmcia-cs 3.1.21 # cardmgr -V
o PPP 2.4.0 # pppd --version
o isdn4k-utils 3.1beta7 # isdnctrl 2>&1|grep version
*snip*
The recommended compiler for the kernel is egcs 1.1.2 (gcc 2.91.66), and it
should be used when you need absolute stability. You may use gcc 2.95.2
instead if you wish, although it may cause problems. Later versions of gcc
have not received much testing for Linux kernel compilation, and there are
almost certainly bugs (mainly, but not exclusively, in the kernel) that
will need to be fixed in order to use these compilers. In any case, using
pgcc instead of egcs or plain gcc is just asking for trouble.
For even more details, read the file yourself
Oh...and if you choose to include devfs, do remember to install devfsd before you reboot with your new kernel (I forgot)
I'm sure "grep -c" would be better for that than wc.
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Kernel seems stable. Framebuffer sucks though.
He who walks on burning coals is sure to get burned. -- Sinbad
You got off easy.
I woke up just to see this article, a full half hour before I went to bed, then I beat the NT-loving CIO, cut him up in pieces and danced on his grave.
Now here I am in a Chinese prison serving as child labour sewing shoes for Nike.
It was worth it.
There's a step-by-step kernel upgrading howto at
t ils/v2.3/
http://www.hardcorelinux.com/kernel-howto.htm
I also recommend you get the latest modutils found at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/modu
I know what i'm doing this weekend!
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Errr- no I don't. I use Slackware, and do the expert install - but all that junk is pre-selected. Very irritating.
And why Perl is pre-selected and Python isn't, I've got NO idea!
...is what the above link points to.
I am using the Ultra-fast DMA 100 Promise IDE driver right now. It is in the kernel.
Make sure you have Generic PCI IDE chipset, Generic PCI bus-master DMA, and Use PCI DMA by default when available all on.
Seán C. McCord
RedHat kgcc is just a renamed gcc 2.91.66, same as in RedHat 6.2.
What gives Redhat the right to CVS an unstable development version of GCC and label it the next-in-line version "2.96" as the current usable GCC is 2.95.2.
How about I CVS XFree86 4 and call it XFree86 4.1, think the XFree86 folks would be happy? How about all the sheeple that use my distribution?(everyone knows linux==redhat)
This gives "Linux" a _very_bad_ image.
Aha! Just found the ECN reference! It's not a standard, it's a work-in-progress. So your point is? :-)
:-)
Let's talk about New Reno instead.
(8-DCS)
A Klingon does not release software!
Our software escapes, leaving a bloody trail of designers and QA people in its wake!
Kinda, but not too bad. With a new baby, a need for a new dishwasher and a teetery furnace, I have enough to occupy myself and my money. (Mostly diapers and dirty dishes.) At least I didn't join he mob at Best Buy after they announced they had about 30 just come in. I felt sorry for that poor schmoe in electronics, though.
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Granted, 25 megs is a pretty big download (it was a *huge* download not all that long ago), but that's the kernel *source* tree, not the kernel you actually run on your system. If you're downloading, you're obviously compiling. You then have the option of *not* including any of the optional things that don't apply to you. For me, kernel sizes haven't changed significantly since I started with 1.0.??.
It's only software!
I wonder if they'll mirror it on Napster. That's the only thing I really know how to use.:)
so...2.0 goes from outdated to vintage...herm... in Wines, the vintage (aged) would be better than the new ones...and by using this logic, I would be better off staying at 2.0 than upgrading.
The anti-salmon
yeah, me too.
No, uuencoding and/or MIME is not the most efficient approach, but it beats 10e25 ftp connections.
But what about that damn new module tree? i hate that.
Carousel is a lie!
One quick change. "www.ndlug.nd.com" doesn't exist... Instead, it is "ftp.ndlug.nd.edu" However, it is currently down. Why, oh why, do these things happen over break??? The NDLUG Czar will be back to Notre Dame around the 8th of Jan, or so to work on ftp.ndlug.nd.edu, until then, try other mirrors.
Branden
Treasurer, NDLUG
Yeah, that's because kernel.org has a fat-ass pipe. Most sites don't have 100Mbit line. And even still, kernel.org is a little slow to respond.
Switch the . and the @ to email me.
there is an australian mirror up at Cowsnet for all you aussies ...
It escapes.
Chmouel, you didn't package the latest 2.4.0 yet? https://kenobi.mandrakesoft.com/~chmou/kernel24/
Why? By clicking there I managed to find a brand *spankin'* new security *hole*! Geez, I'm suprised it got *exposed* so soon! Back to 2.2 I go....
All your bays are belong to us!
>Lie-nucks 6.2?
:-p
Shit dude, don't you know Linux 7.0 (tiny type: RedHat, huge type LINUX 7.0) came out a couple months ago!?
*Disclaimer - I have nothing against RedHat, I just wish their packaging was less over-the-top.
There is much cruelty in the universe, John.
Yeah, we seem to have the tour map.
Linux has SMP-safe TCP, while FreeBSD does not.
How about some SPECWeb99 benchmarks from you?
Shit, how about standards compliance from you?
We have ECN and SACK too BTW.
The VM in 2.4 is pretty good, but yes, we will
be ripping off FreeBSD. We are shameless and
damn proud of it. We even rip off NT at times.
UFS bites. It's over 10 years old. We already
have UFS and our cleaned-up clone ext2 anyway.
We will whip ass with Reiserfs, Tux2, JFS, XFS,
and ext3.
why did you report this bug to slashdot instead of the kernel mailing list, where it could have actually been fixed?
Now if AMD will only get the SMP Athlon chipset out the door my year will be made!
It's already out. There's just no SMP boards available yet. (at least, that I know of... No major brands, anyway.) the 760 chipset has SMP and DDR RAM support.
This is all documented in the Changes file, but the main ones are:
/lib/modules/`uname -r` has changed drastically.
GCC 2.91 or higher. 2.7.2 won't do.
modutils 2.3.21 or higher. The layout of
PPP 2.4.0 or higher if you're on a dialup connection.
If you use PCMCIA or ISDN you'll need to update the utilities for those as well. Other than that, things should pretty much work, though you won't get LFS (larger than 2GB files on 32 bit systems) unless you recompile glibc against the 2.4 kernel headers. Oh, and don't have devfs set to automatically mount unless you have devfsd installed and setup beforehand if you want to have device nodes where you expect them to be.
Linus' email to linux-kernel seems a bit down. Someone should really do something about it. A parade, maybe a new car... I don't know..
Email is as follows:
In a move unanimously hailed by the trade press and industry analysts as being a sure sign of incipient braindamage, Linus Torvalds (also known as the "father of Linux" or, more commonly, as "mush-for-brains") decided that enough is enough, and that things don't get better from having the same people test it over and over again. In short, 2.4.0 is out there.
Anxiously awaited for the last too many months, 2.4.0 brings to the table many improvements, none of which come to mind to the exhausted release manager right now. "It's better", was the only printable quote. Pressed for details, Linus bared his teeth and hissed at reporters, most of which suddenly remembered that they'd rather cover "Home and Gardening" than the IT industry anyway.
Anyway, have fun. And don't bother reporting any bugs for the next few days. I won't care anyway.
Linus
The world is neither black nor white nor good nor evil, only many shades of CowboyNeal.
Long live the Slackware users, hehehe! No, really, we seem to survive all the stuff that happened to Linux in the last few years. And even though many of the people who started with Slackware have now RedHatted or Sused, there are many from the old school, and it's damn good to meet them, here and there.
Sigged!
this has "iptables" now right? no more ipchains? wonderful ... just when i get the firewall rules on my gateway/router/NAT all set - this comes out.
/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
...
how different is it ? how much more difficult? someone enlighten me?
I'm so used to :
echo 1 >
ipchains -P forward DENY
ipchains -A forward -i eth1 -j MASQ
something new to figure out
BTW, the loopback encrypted filesystem has been working great in my 2.2.16 kernel, I *highly* recommend encrypting your hard drives (what if your computer gets stolen?) If yer interested, see the HOWTO
Part of the Second American Revolution!
If I were given the opportunity to send a buck, securely, in celebration, to Linus. Such that he may, for a week or so, not worry about bug fixes, but spend time thinking, with his family, where to donate the accumulated pennies. To have a total, at the end, to show the press . o ( here is what the OSS model MEANS to the community ).
Wouldn't you?
Before I part with'em: two pennies weigh ~4.996+/-0.014g, have a zinc core, and the face of Lincoln. You can keep 'em.
At this site you can get a shell script to make the process of finding stuff like that in the source easier. It's only a simple grep but it works well.
It wasn't until 2.2.8 that 2.3 broke off from the main kernel branch. I'd give them at least 2 months to track down all the major bugs in the initial 2.4 release before anyone starts jumping the gun on new development.
Interested in open source engine management for your Subaru?
This is about as exciting as getting a new PS2 - and playing it.
Serious notes: As mentioned by other people: the IDE toys in the kernel have changed - and not with more features. The configuration has changed. You'll have to check ALL the questions!
Things not yet mentioned (but still important): USB support - it is here in full: no "backporting".
Tips for non-pros: If you don't NEED it to be compiled in, don't compile it in!. Modules (with the autoloader) are great for items such as your CDROM drive, floppy drive (you do run off of your hardisk, right?), printer, etc. should be modules. Personally, I reccomend that you compile everything that doesn't go into the kernel as a module - even if you don't use it. This makes upgrading much easier - no recompiles.
Enjoy your new kernel!
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Recompiling your kernel is easy, if you understand how your distro deals with modules. The most frustrating change from 2.2.x to 2.4.0 is the new structure of the module tree. (This has been said perhaps 6 million times already).
That having been said, I have NEVER successfully recompiled a kernel with LinuxPPC (perhaps I am missing something...).
Debian, RedHat 6.2, etc, on a i386 seem to work fine.
In short - READ THE HOWTO. I haven't read it in years, but I am sure it is quite helpful.
-Ignore this post, please- NoOneSpecial
Thanks. I know it's easy -- for everyone else. But after poring over HOTWOs (which are NOT suitable for reading by newbies), reading endless "Rebuild Your Kernel in 36 Easy Steps" tutorials, and bugging gurus until I'm blue in the keyboard, I still have a perfect record of zero successful rebuilds.
Peace
I would really suggest to people who wants to use ReiserFS to wait for kernel 2.4.1 and enjoy the benefits of bug fixes + ReiserFS in 1 complete stock kernel...
Now that you mention that, what exactly do I need to do to get 2.4.0 to work on my ReiserFS system? I'm using Mandrake 7.2, and I went with Reiser because I was sick of reboots messing up the filesystem. But now I've heard it makes installing new kernels a whole lot harder than with an ext2 filesystem. Is there a How-To page on installing kernels on ReiserFS? And when is 2.4.1 (with what you say will have ReiserFS support included) supposed to be released?
Here's my one line compilation! Untar the kernel, cd into the directory, su to root and............
make xconfig && make dep && make modules && make && make modules_install && make install
Love,
Ex Machina
I heard that there were tremendous improvements with SMP performance due to better mutex granularity. Is this true? How does it compare with 2.2? How does the kernel scale compared with other x86 OSes, such as Win2K?
That's quite untrue, actually. Sounds like someone with stock in a particular distro company may have told you that. ;-)
Under all but rare or weird circumstances upgrading to a newer kernel will only break a program if it relies on a special module or patched code in the kernel that the distro makeer has pre-applied to the kernel and that is not standard with stock kernel downloads. These kinds of programs are few and far between.
No, it's a legitimate concern. Back in the 2.0 -> 2.2 conversion, some essential programs (most notealbly dhcpcd) broke under the new kernel. If you upgraded, and had not known about it, you'd be SOL, as you wouldn't be able to connect to the internet to read about how to fix your problem, because your DHCP client wouldn't work. Catch-22.
...not to mention kernel parameters mumbled through a mouthful of pizza and beer.
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(I've been using SuSE for about the past two years. Before SuSE, I used Slackware, and before Slackware, I used SLS (I guess that says something about how long I've been using Linux :-) ). I'm now in the middle of building a system from source (using LFS) and have that system running 2.4.0-test12 with the appropriate ReiserFS patch added. I tried applying that patch to 2.4.0-prerelease...when it tried to mount /, it panicked. Who would've thought it would be so fussy about which kernel it'd accept? When it's up and running all the software I use, it'll replace SuSE. Everything is optimized for the K6 (since I have three of 'em that'll need to run it), and all binaries are stripped to save space and load time. Even on an ancient P5-166 with a Quantum Bigfoot, it loads up in almost no time (not too many services running yet, though...just OpenSSH and ClusterNFS at this point).)
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... to your daddy, your grammy, and your greasy-greasy grandpappy, and you'll be more complete. You Homoseximus Rex.
Oh well, I wonder if it'll be like the 2.2 release, where 2.2.1 thru 2.2.5 were released in the course of a week ... I highly doubt it, but the thought makes me feel better :)
The fact that no one understands you doesn't mean you're an artist.
what are you talking about? all the motherboards with onboard RAID and onboard 4 IDE channels use a SEPERATE pci IDE chip. the most comon are promise's ATA/66 and ATA/100 and the Highpoint ATA/66 and ATA/100 chips. These are the same EXACT chips that are used on the addon PCI IDE raid and non raid cards. and the motherboard integrates them as a PCI device. whereever you got your information, please post some documentation to back that up.
thanks.
Two infinite things: your stupidity and mine. But I'm not sure about the latter. If my sig offends you, I'm sorry.
Uh.
Have a bottle of Paul "sell no wine before its time" Masson to celebrate Linus' "we release no kernel before it's time" philosophy.
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SVM, ERGO MONSTRO.
Still 1997.6 versions behind.
Great job and thanks to all of the kernel hackers, no matter how small your contribution.
You can download a patch for 2.4.0-prerelease from http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/testing/pre release-diff.
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haha, excellent! best 'goat' link i've seen so far -- someone mod this up, +1 Funny!
Is this just a formality that puts an end on a prerelease that is virtually the same thing in order to build up a little more hype?... not that I am not downloading it already and buying into it =)
My little sad piece of the internet: www.mtndewd
ah, i guess posting anonymously didn't work for that post *smirks* :-)
Who will be the first to release a new distro based off this Kernel? Red Hat could sure use a new version...
How hard is it exactly to upgrade your Kernel? (I use redhat6.2)
I have never done it, but I have been told that if you do it, alot of programs stop working, and you are better of just to get a fresh distro with it already in it, is this true?
heheh
Why do you not all just get a life, start talking to the opposite sex, stop looking at porn, get laid, stop goat sex, ge
It depends on your needs. Our squid servers (abused by ~1.5 million hits/day) have used test5 since August.
I admit, I haven't noticed fs corruption on them. I have noticed ps not accounting for 30-50MB of memory, but it's an acceptable loss for the ~50% performance boost.
heh, all i did was check the /. uptime to see if it has been rebooted to apply the patch yet...nope.
How big is it exactly? I need to know how much to delete.
Max, in America, it's customary to drive on the right.
1st Law Of Networking: Loose ends are bad, termination is good.
WWJD? JWRTFM!!!
Well, I haven't gotten me a new kernel yet (gah, all you people are taking all the bandwith leaving none for me!). But I will say that I hope because they tested so much, it will still be more stable than Windoze. Because how can someone run a server that aint running because it BSOD'd.
snowulf.com
The docs say enable ip_alias in the kernel. I dont see this option anymore. whats the deal? these options been in place since like 1.3..
***There is no point in asking, you'll get no reply***
HTTP mirror and FTP mirror
Those who do not know the past are doomed to reimplement it, poorly.
GenuineIntel
Why don't you patch sh-utils so it recognizes x86 processors properly?
It looks much nicer.
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Reason: What do you want? A medal?
OK, i'm running RH 6.2 + std. updates, and i am running 2.4.0 kernel now. Why does everything work fine?
modutils-2.3.20-0.6.2.1
util-linux-2.10f-7
Whoops! my modutils is not up to the recommended version. Possible bugs! I think i will wet myself now.
There are significant NT deployments throughout Nike. See what you can do. Good work.
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You mean 4.2.
duh.
See you, space cowboy...
> 1. Photoshop
:-)
gimp
> 2. Quark
adobe's thing, framemaker. heard rumors it may be coming back to life on linux. This is probably your strongest point.
> 3. 3DSMax or Maya. Take yer pick.
Blender. Moonlight Atelier. Povray.
> 4. distributed network renderers for the above
ever watched Titanic?
> 5. Non-linear video editing systems (Avid, >Media100)
Broadcast2000
> 6. Digital audio editing packages (ProTools, etc.)
I'm not into digital music so I can't comment. Didn't a book about making music on linux just get published by No Starch Press?
> 7. Excel
Gnumeric. Star Office. Applixware.
>8. Powerpoint
Star Office. Mayber others I don't know about.
> 9. Outlook
yeah, like you need a gui to read email.
mail, mailx, mh, mutt, pine on the CLI off thetop of my head. www-email in any of several browser, and this includes calendar functionality. Oh and of course the 20+ gui email clients (kmail and balsa come to mind)
> 10. $GAME (Everything except Quake3 I guess).
www.loki.com for starters. More are out there.
> Academia? Government? Military?
hah. 70% of the scientific and engineering departments at my university run all-Unix-and-mostly-linux-at-that shops. I don't work for the government or the military, but they're hardly shining examples of wise procurement decisions in most cases.
>From where I sit, installing Linux on a workstation reduces its functionality.
The problem is that you are apparently sitting in
the short bus.
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I would just like to say that when I read this, I ran around the office showing all the NT admins who for the longest time were saying what crap linux is, and how it 2.4 would never come out. I then ran around the office naked screaming "Viva la tux" and here I am, at Starbucks...jobless. =P Give me some food! Maz
So there, bitch.
At least we arent taking ME home.
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Ive had entirely too many bad experiences with centralized binary files for sysconfig, both with Lose9x and other *nixen than went to the dark side. Plain text is the way to go becuase a) it's hard to fuck it up when you programmatically read from it, unless you are a TOTAL idiot (in which case are you really likely to be a system developer?), and b) your system could be a smoking pile of rubble, and all you need is some way to boot to single user mode and use vi and you're set.
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As you may of noticed, there is not a release of it noticable. Its only available right now as a diff inr elease-diff
ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/testing/pre
So as of right now, you need the pre-release source. Hope that helps youll get this new kernel, mine is already compiling - wanted to try and help the world get their's going too Enjoy
Linux: Because a PC is a terrible thing to waste.
James Brents
I think I'll wait a bit
this is great. I've been using 2.4-test8 for a while now and have been loving it. But when al the partying is over, then comes the question -- what next.
OK what else really needs to be in the kernel, what needs to be fixed. We've been testing 2.4 for over a year now and its out and looking good. So its stable and secure. So what about new features? What else needs to be put into a kernel that is already a ~25 meg download. More to the point, what else will even fit?
Viva la revolucion, nugga-nootch...
:)
I think you mean "snoochie boochies!"
Give me a free yet non-illegal copy of Windows that I can put on my system without ever having to pay tributary to anyone EVER and I will shut up. If not, I'll keep my US$189.99 and buy some sticks of RAM and a roomy new hard-drive.
Viva la revolucion, nugga-nootch...
the PCI Makefile is trash...you open it up and it looks like someone made a cp error or something, because the PCI Makefile is not there...FAIR WARNING...i used the makefile from test11...i hope it works
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I don't care what it looks like, it WORKS doesn't it!?!
When will 2.6 be out? I'm tired of waiting.
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This one's humpin' for me... kernel.org is waaaay slow:
x -2 .4.0.tar.gz
ftp://ftp.linux.org.uk/pub/linux/linux-2.4/linu
I've been salivating for months anticipating the anticipation for 2.6. Let the wait begin!
:)
http://www.cowsnet.com.au/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux- 2.4.0.tar.bz2 - 2.4.0.tar.bz2.sign - 2.4.0.tar.gz - 2.4.0.tar.gz.sign
http://www.cowsnet.com.au/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux
http://www.cowsnet.com.au/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux
http://www.cowsnet.com.au/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux
Also here (bc, canada mirror)
I've never had any problem with 2.2 and do not understand why everyone got in a fuss with 2.4 anticipation. I'm sure 2.4 is a lot better, but I't doesn't matter what kernel we are running we are still better that windows
hmmm, lemme think:
much improved SMP support, a vastly improve TCP/IP stack, USB support (admittedly backported), are some the best reasons as far as I'm concerned. Compared with 2.2.x the 2.4-test kernels have been stunningly fast. I can't wait to get a chance to try the final 2.4 over the weekend.
Incidentally though, that sort of unqualified doze bashing makes you look like a fool. Sure, 9x sucks ass, but as a desktop OS, win2k is very nice...
This is just what we were all waiting for! ...
Can wait to install it
Congratulations to Linus and the Linux kernel team!
Get my e-mail after a captcha test in: http://tinymailt
Yes, your language really makes you sound like a professional software engineer, doesn't it? Admittedly, I have a goatse.cx link for my homepage and GC's Seven Deadlies as my .sig, but that's becuase I'm intentionally trying to get a rise out of uptight people. You just sound like a zealot claiming false credentials. Now maybe instead of cursing you'd like to post a reply consisting of specific, technical criticism of the linux kernel design?
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You can also find a list of US mirrors here, or search here for mirrors for your country. Last I checked the new kernel hadn't been mirrored yet, FYI.
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> 2. Quark
:-)
adobe's thing, framemaker. heard rumors it may be coming back to life on linux. This is probably your strongest point.
Framemaker is a document editing tool suitable for novels and network documentation. You'll never find anyone using frame for the purposed of Quark: magazines, posters, flyers, etc. They are two fundamentally different systems, one focusing on document structure independent of layout, the other focusing on layout.
Oh, and Framemaker on Linux's interface was pretty much unusable shite. Wake up closed source vendors: Linux users expect polished interfaces, not the same motif shite you churn out for Solaris.
> 3. 3DSMax or Maya. Take yer pick.
Blender. Moonlight Atelier. Povray.
IMHO, yes Blender. The other two perhaps not.
> 7. Excel
Gnumeric. Star Office. Applixware.
StarOffice lacks features many consider to be fundamental to spreadsheet, most notably dynamic cross tabs [aka whatever MS calls them]. WPO2K has them, but it runs like a dog due to WINE. Applixware has a bizarre interface [yes, version 5] and though I know little aout the spreadsheet, the word processor lacks a word count. Enough said. Gnumeric won't import MS Office very well.
> 4. distributed network renderers for the above
ever watched Titanic?
You've got him there.
> 5. Non-linear video editing systems
(Avid, Media100, Broadcast2000
BC200 lacks a few major features, according to a professional video producer I know. But MainActor [also aviliable for Linux] is damned fine.
>8. Powerpoint
Star Office. Mayber others I don't know about.
StarImpress is actually a very good presentations app.
> 9. Outlook
yeah, like you need a gui to read email.
mail, mailx, mh, mutt, pine on the CLI off thetop of my head. www-email in any of several browser, and this includes calendar functionality. Oh and of course the 20+ gui email clients (kmail and balsa come to mind)
I don't mean to be rude, but you don't understand what Outlook is at all. Some people do indeed need a GUI to read email, manage their time, schedule apointments, read attachments, use HTML email, create an addressbook, etc. It allows them to fit more text on the screen. it allows them to easily visualize their data [for example, one can look at Outlook and instantly see what new or otherwise. it provides standard controls to format their messages. It provides a neat spell checker. From a 24 x 7 Linux user, Outlook is great.
And yes, I know its security sucks. We're not talking about that, and that it runs scripts by default has nothing to do with its interface.
> 10. $GAME (Everything except Quake3 I guess).
www.loki.com for starters. More are out there.
Agreed. Linux gaming is getting much better. ATI and [sometimes] NViDia cards are benchmarking well under Linux and the range of titles is increasing.
> Academia? Government? Military?
hah. 70% of the scientific and engineering departments at my university run all-Unix-and-mostly-linux-at-that shops. I don't work for the government or the military, but they're hardly shining examples of wise procurement decisions in most cases.
Many of the government departments I've done some work for [Australian DOJ and SES] are mainly Unix based, with some NT. Linux is starting to infiltrate them as well.
The Australian military ITs department [allegedly] wouldn't know security if it bit them in the arse, and are still converting from Netware to NT4.
>From where I sit, installing Linux on a workstation reduces its functionality.
The problem is that you are apparently sitting in the short bus.
In some ways yes, in some ways no. Reliability goes up, and downtime is the biggest part of TCO. Linux has a stable base and needs good GUI, Windows has a good GUI and needs a stable base. I see Windows as having the largest task ahead of it. Linux is also advancing more quickly than Windows is.
Wow, you must be one of the 1% of Linux users who actually do something with it besides wallowing in geek ecstasy on the home PC!
I've taken the liberty of posting a mirror HERE. Go easy on me. (Hah, wishful thinking!)
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Everyone talks about Linux killing Windows and the Microsoft empire. My question is simple. If this is to occur, then why do we have delayed projects like this kernel? Don't get me wrong. Linux is great! But delays like this may withhold it from becoming as widespread as many would like. As for me, I'm waiting for the next kernel so I can take advantage of the latest (today's) hardware.
"...and postin me too like some brain at AOL-er" -- Wierd Al
That's the problem with Linux now. Now that the fad part of it is over everone's attitudes have gone south. I remember when everyone was jazzed about Linux and would talk about it until they were blue in the face.
Now that we as a community are being noticed, it's 2.4 times more important that we show some professionalism. It's 2.4 times more important that we don't get discouraged.
Just shy of 20Mb (bz2) and 24Mb+ (gz)! Yeeppers!
Norris/Palin 2012
Fact: We deserve leaders who can kick your ass and field dress your carcass.
There's no longer support for more than 2 IDE channels on a motherboard and no IRQ sharing for onboard IDE controllers. So few of us actually have 4 onboard channels and multiple IDE drives that it was bound to end sooner or later. It looks like off board controllers are now mandatory for IDE RAID.
This whole comment seems mildly misleading.
Without having yet touched 2.4, I am VERY familiar with the 0.90 raid code that is finally in the mainstream kernel.
Simply because the Linux kernel won't support more then 2 "onboard" IDE channels (which I cannot speak to, but that sounds mildly unbelievable) wouldn't mean you could not employ a setup that utilizes RAID.
Under your set of restrictions, perhaps you could not have an [efficient] RAID5 (two channels, one drive per channel)--but there are other blends of RAID (0 and 1) that would be supported even if the two-onboard-IDE-channels restriction turned out to be true.
2.4, sweet 2.4....
But short kicks to the knees while keeping the guard up can be pretty effective over time.
'There is a Light that never goes out.'
Instead of complaining that Linux needs a comparable media player, why dont you try emailing Sorensen and Apple about having the sorensen codec ported over to Linux. Email the webmasters of websites containing qt or asf streams asking them to write to Apple/Sorensen etc.
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DivX isnt the greatest but it is still very good. Try using LAMP it plays quite a few varieties and next gen of xanim should be good. xmms with asf plugin plays quite a few asf files.
Compare multimedia on Linux now to what it was 2 years ago and then u'll see how far it has advanced.
The number of the beast
A more fine grained access control scheme, to allow more complex [but necessary in most modern security schemes] permissions on an object if desired or necessary. Why does SSHD run with permissions to make devices?
The Unix philosophy is to limit users permissions to the bare minimum neccesaryu for the account to perform their functions. Unfortunately, the permission scheme on most popular Unixes stops this reality from occuring. sudo is a hack. There's no way I can give full control to an folder to the root users, read and execute permission to one group, read only permission to another group, and have all other access denied. This is an impediment for security.
Run top and see all those daemons running as root. They don't need te be, and they shouldn't be. There;s two reasons why they do - either bad programming, or the limits of traditional Unix style permissions.
But not all Unixs use rwxs. In fact, all the trusted varieties [AFAIK] of Unixes run with ACL based systems. There is a version for Linux called Linux Trustees [actually Trustees are difffeent and better than ACLs, but apply the same basic concepts of fine grained permissions].
Trustees needs to go into the next major kernel.
Yes, I realize this will involve rewriting most software [even in only a minor way for most]. But this has been done before for other utilities. Some degree of backware compatibility could be included into the scheme.
Linux Trustees for Linux 3.0!
Also, it would really suck to lose your uptime eh?
And yes, I think this would be a really good idea.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
I think Woody still uses Linux 2.2.18, not 2.4-anything.
cpeterso
the first distro with this will be the one i install on my shiny new laptop. yes i know i could do it myself but this is easier and i would like to try something else (even though every time i install a new distro, i go back to slackware in less than a month) but at least it will hold me over until the next slackwre release!
A slashdotter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber.
Important for what? Why should I care if IBM sells more Linux boxes?
What was your ip again?
clickety click
:)
If you're not using loadlin to bootstrap from Windows, it should be cake. (Utterly painless if you're using the MandrakeUpdate.) However, if you do use loadlin, you really ought to make sure you've got boot floppies and a backup of the original kernel. Beyond that, I don't forsee much problem on an unmodified RH6.2.
Friends don't let friends buy Compaq's.
Mothers, don't let your babies grow up to run Compaqs!
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First, of all a complaint: WHY THE HECK IS THIS MARKED AS INFORMATIVE +4???
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Second, I gotta wonder if Linus just pushed this out the door, not bringing it to any stable state, just got tired of it, and just released it, 'cause it's time - just like M$oft did with win2k. At least, it appears to be so from the linux-kernel mailing list getting a bunch of complaints (the last patch was big, and it broke some stuff).
(but then, again, we gotta let it go sometime, right?)
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I just compiled 2.2.18 and was dismayed to discover that the USB module still won't recognize my Logitech ifeel USB optical mouse.
Anyone have any luck with this mouse under any kernel new or old?
> i can't help but worry that 2.4 is just as far from BugFree(TM)
Heh heh heh. The Freshmeat sidebox is already showing a 2.4.0ac1 kernel. Go, Alan, Go!
> Unless I see a feature in 2.4 that I absolutely need, I'm sticking with 2.2...
Only sensible. "Because it's there" isn't any reason to upgrade the kernel, or anything else.
OTOH, the more people test it on non-critical machines, the sooner it hits the stable point you're waiting for.
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Yeah, the new machines can all boot from their CD-ROMs. However, one of the principal benefits of linux is (was?) that it ran on just about anything from an old 386 on up to the latest and greatest systems. Unless something is done to support an alternative for "vintage" hardware, linux has lost one of its advantages of fitting a kernel on a floppy and booting it on virtually any system. This feature is near to my heart, as most of my systems are now very geriatric (486/75, Pentium 150, 166, Cyrix 233, and the latest, a Pentium III/500)
To email me,subtract my nick from my email address, starting with the second character. (hint: adto.uiuc.edu is wrong)
Here's what I found cool in 2.4, as opposed to 2.2:
Distros update their versions for lots of different reasons, often because a number of new user programs are available, a new XFree86 version is available that is needed for new video cards, or sometimes for purely marketing reasons, as when Slackware jumped from 4.0 to 7.0 in order to reach marketing parity with Red Hat - Slackware generally used a conservative numbering scheme, but Red Hat advanced the numbers rapidly, even though all the distros are based on the same stuff, but lots of people gave the Slackware folks the message they didn't want software they perceived as out of date.
So no, it's fine to use the 2.4.0 kernel with Mandrake 7.1. The version of the kernel bears no explicit relation to the version of the distribution.
By the way, if you wonder where most of the rest of the programs on your distro come from, you have the fine folks at The Free Software Foundation to thank. Richard Stallman takes pains to point out the system is more properly called "GNU/Linux", because what Linus developed was a kernel that the already-existing GNU programs could run on.
Michael D. Crawford
GoingWare Inc
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Hello everybody, and thanks to Linus and all the other kernel hackers for this marvelous piece of software called linux 2.4.
:-), ps and top get irritated but everything else works just fine. In fact, I write this post at 4096! Proof:
Cool java games? Try www.gamemakers.de
Please do yourself a favor and compile the kernel with HZ=1024 instead of HZ=100 (this is the frequency for multitasking timeslices).
This gives you a much better "perceived performance" especially for gui applications.
The drawback is that since the machine switches the execution context more often, performance goes down a bit. But on my machine (K6-II 350MHz, 196MB) it is less than one percent, so it does not matter at all as long as you do not do serious number crunching.
If you compile with a very strange value like 4096 Hz (yes, I tried that too
ps
Unknown HZ value! (4096) Assume 100.
PID TTY TIME CMD
862 pts/0 00:00:01 cat
882 pts/1 00:00:04 bash
893 pts/1 00:00:02 wvdial
1035 pts/2 00:00:04 bash
1042 pts/2 00:00:04 ps
With 1024 even ps and top do work, since this frequency is used by the alpha port. And your KDE/Gnome/whatever will feel much better even with the current scheduler.
Sorry if this is redundant, but I think it is important,
MrRight
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modutils might cause a bit of a problem, since http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query =modutils doesn't list any 2.4.0 RPMS. Latest seems to be 2.3.24.
The best thing about the article on LinuxToday (linked by the /. article) is that applauds (through the changelog) "Linus AND all the rest of the guys who made it happen."
Thankyou to ALL CONTRIBUTORS!!
I've never seen a user who actually liked MS products, only tolerated them.
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Soma: because a gramme is better than a damn.
The main reason I got broadband access:
[ ] 24 hour IRC Idling
[ ] MegaTokyo
[ ] Pr0n
[X] Kernel Downloads
[ ] apt-get -u upgrade
[ ] www.cowboyneal.org
[ ] MP3s
[ ] I Saw "The Net" and thought it would be 31337
Now everyone will have to go change their votes from Pr0n to Kernel Downloads. But even broadband won't help here in Europe until the mirrors get updated. Damn slashdot effect.
the AC
Hemos is like...sci-fi fans;he thinks technology is cool, but he hasn't bothered to understand the science it's based on
the BugFree comment is a reference to announcements linus made to some old devel kernels, 1.3.x, i believe. it's in the linuxcookie fortune file.
#define F(x) int main(){printf(#x,10,#x);}
F(#define F(x) int main(){printf(#x,10,#x);}%cF(%s))
Alright, it's a bit off-topic but would just like a tip here. What else do I have to upgrade in order to go from a 2.0.36 kernel to this new one? I mean in termos of libs, utils, etc..
Call me weird.
I went RH 4.2, 5.0, 5.1,5.2 on my first machine.
Put Debian potato on another but my main box now was Slackware 7.0 then 7.1 with kernels 2.2.13, 2.2.16, 2.4.0-test7, test8, test9, test11, test12 and prerelease. I have enjoyed the DRI mga bits but never got enough tuits to get it compiled successfully for the Athlon specifically. At least I don't have to wait long for the kernel compile cf the Debian (P75).
Slashdot: Where nerds gather to pool their ignorance
How many people here actually posted BEFORE starting a d/l?
52kB/s sustained, love my broadband.
Before I part with'em: two pennies weigh ~4.996+/-0.014g, have a zinc core, and the face of Lincoln. You can keep 'em.
I was promised High Speed ATA support! Seriously the supposed next gen kernel oughta run my current gen hardware! My only complaint really...
Power Corrupts,Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely, leaving one person(group)in charge is absolutely corrupt.
ftp://ftp.linux.org.uk/pub/linux/linux-2.4/linux-2 .4.0.tar.gz
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Kiro
can someone please post instructions on how to patch 2.4.0-prerelease??
Thanks!
Looking back on some of the bugs that stayed in the 2.2 tree for so long (including some that caused massive filesystem corruption) i can't help but worry that 2.4 is just as far from BugFree(TM)
Unless I see a feature in 2.4 that I absolutely need, I'm sticking with 2.2 until 2.4 becomes stable enough that they open the 2.5 tree. Granted, there's a lot of neat stuff in 2.4, but there is a difference between neat and necessary. I'm sticking with kernels i know are stable.
#define F(x) int main(){printf(#x,10,#x);}
F(#define F(x) int main(){printf(#x,10,#x);}%cF(%s))
And the source is available now, not just the patch©
chris@xanadu:~$ whatis /.
/.: nothing appropriate.
Why would I want to download Lie-nuck 2.4 when I can go to staples and get Lie-nucks 6.2?
sarcasm people, sarcasm
Stupid Cheap Guitars
Hello,
1 -05-007-04-NW-LF-KN, but it may also be elsewhere.
I've put up an update of my latest "Wonderful World of Linux 2.4" document. (The final one, natch.) It contains a relatively complete list of new features in this release, sans driver updates and things that I either ignored or didn't know about. Right now, it's on LinuxToday http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-0
2.6, here we come!
Joe
Money that's sent to a project should be allocated by the maintainer of the project. ie Linus should spread the money around to those who did work. Himself included.....
As far as sending it to charity - no way. This is payment for work. Ideally, the best developers shouldn't have to have jobs beyond hacking the kernel (if that's their wish).
First, make it work, then make it right, then make it fast, then, make it bloated!
In the Gregorian calendar we are well in 2001. However, under Julian calendar, the one used by Orthodox Church, only tomorrow will be Christmas Eve and New Year is still more than a week away... Curious to note that Finland was once part of the Russian Empire and has, till today, a significative part of orthodox believers. Really I don't know in what religion Linus believes but his promises go straight according to the orthodoxes. If I'm not mistaken, one of his promises was to deliver the kernel by Christmas.
So it seems that Linus kept his promise... somehow...
that's why you just have to download the small md5 file from kernel.org to verify.
So just yesterday I wrote:
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Why We Should All Test the New Linux Kernel
on Advogato.It's got some helpful, practical tips on downloading and building a kernel from sources as well as providing feedback to the kernel developers. All of the information in the article is available somewhere, but when I first began testing with 2.4.0-test1, I found some things difficult to figure out, so I felt that it would be nice to put what I learned all down in one place.
This is part of an overall effort to improve the quality of Free Software. Another part of the effort is the just-founded Linux Quality Database, so far just a proposal - contact me at crawford@goingware.com if you want to help.
And finally, some interesting trivia for you:
After a long beta testing period and many delays, Windows 2000 shipped with 64000 documented bugs of which 25000 were considered serious by Microsoft itself (the figures are quoted from memory, I might be a bit off). The Windows trade press reported that the opinion was widely held by IT managers that one should not install Windows 2000 on any machine until a few service packs had been released, with Windows 2000 server not being considered ready for use until much later than the desktop user version.
The BSD/Mach based Mac OS X, derived from the NeXT operating system and now in beta testing, is Apple's first operating system to support protected memory that is expected to be widely used. (Another was A/UX, Apple's Unix port, but it served only a niche market).
Apple has been trying for ten years, longer than Linux has been in existence, to write a modern operating system. The first was Pink, renamed Taligent when Apple collaborated with IBM on it. In the end all that came of it was a little-used object-oriented programming framework.
The next was Copland, and I don't know why it was never completed exactly, but I was offerred a job as a performance engineer on the Copland project when I worked at Apple, but I turned it down - I didn't tell them this but I had the sense that Copland was a project that would never ship.
And Linus wrote Linux when he was a college student, which combined with the GNU utilities forms the operating system we know and love today.
These huge, well-funded corporations can't get it together to program their way out of a wet paper bag but a bunch of freaks on the Net have written the fastest growing operating system in use today.
Michael D. Crawford
GoingWare Inc
-- Could you use my software consulting serv
And in the end, the skies parted, and a loud trumpet came from the East. Lord Linus appeared, and delivered the new Linux 2.4 Kernel to the human race. Thousands of Geeks rose up into the air and rejoiced. The Evil Demon Gates saw this, and knew that his time on this Earth had come to an end. :)
If is very easy to figure out your nearest mirror:
Determine the two-letter country code for the nation you reside in. This will be the same as the top-level national domain, ca for Canada, uk for United Kingdom, ch for Switzerland and so on.
If you're using ftp, the server name starts with ftp. If you're using http (a web browser), then it starts with www.
Put the country code in the middle. Add .kernel.org at the end.
Michael D. Crawford
GoingWare Inc
-- Could you use my software consulting serv
And it always seems to happen when I'm composing something in a web form like here on Slashdot, so I end up losing it, so I immediately hit the submit button when it started happening while composing the above.
Working towards improving this situation is The Linux Quality Database.
Michael D. Crawford
GoingWare Inc
-- Could you use my software consulting serv
Anejo!
~Religion is O.K., as long as it gets you laid.
And who the hell even cares if "BSD is better!", or Linux is somehow 'the best' (the best what?!?), or that "You've obviously never used Solaris for any length of time if you think any free operat...blah blah frickity blah!"
If I drank, I'd grab me a Guinness and drink a toast to Linus, RMS, and any other hacker who's created something for the world to enjoy. Cheers!
Free music from Jack Merlot.
I'd say... "It's about friggin time!" But... ;)
Ya can't rush something like this and I'm glad
they took the time to make it as stable as
possible before releasing it to the gorrillas
to stomp and crunch
May the bugs be few and the fixes be quick!
Friends don't let friends buy Compaq's. (Dell/Gateway... same same) You want a good computer? Build it yourself.
God have mercy on your site ...
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I would be interested to see todays website and ftp statistics for kernel.org as i just tried to go see what the site had to say and it would apear to be getting hammered. Might give a good representation of the userbase who downloads the latest and greatest as well as how fast the news travels!
...Will it help me view porn in a more efficient manner?
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I followed the 2.4 kernel test releases for a long while now
I kept updating whenever they came out, and to tell you the truth, After test 8 they started sucking ass. They got less stable. Test 9 kept randomly killing random processes, and test 10 wouldn't even boot on my firends machine, so I gave up. I dont know if they fixed this problem but according to my friend it is a result of trying out different scheduling systems. I jsut hope they get all the bugs out by now.
There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence.
Frankly, I'm amazed at how fast it rus compared to 2.2.18. Boots in < 2 seconds, uses less memory. Wow. Good Job guys. Now, I need ot get some USB stuff to play with :P Much better than the early test kernels. *drool*...
Constitutional rights may be respected, repealed, or modified; but they must never be ignored.
Current bandwidth utilization 98.35 Mbit/s
;-)
"Ladies And Gentleman" ... because only one Linux user could be considered a Gentleman?
PS - Let's see how much humor you guys have with the moderation.
When can I download 2.5.1?
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
thought so.
cpeterso
I write this about an hour and a half after Linus wrote his letter. To my slight dissapointment I couldn't easily find new news stories about it to post. However, I was pleased to find out that kernel.org was updated. Not surprisingly their FTP and HTTP servers are running a bit slow, but here are direct links nonetheless - HTTP, and FTP
I'd like to congratulate everyone who worked on this kernel, by coding, testing or otherwise. I look forward to using it.
"The universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent." --Carl Sagan
Kudos to Zack Brown for creating a readable abstract from the discussions on linux-kernel!
-- Gxis! Ed.
Can anyone think of a more effective trojan-attack than to release your infected binary kernel on your website?
- Steeltoe
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/
Anyone having trouble with joysticks? The Interact driver isn't being very cooperative...
BytesTemplar.com
http://oshuma.dynup.net
Like those annoying BMG CD clubs, if you DON'T click the button they will send you your "purchases". You must return them if you don't want them.
cpeterso
goatse.cx is my listed homepage for the same reasons that GC's Seven Deadlies are part of my .sig. I think people are too damn uptight. This is my way of tweaking them. Further, my homepage (the real one) has contact info on it for friends from high school, etc. I got tired of people flaming my personal account during the political stories a month back. (What can I say, I'm a liberal bombthrower... ;-) ). I also think that goatse.cx is a humerous subversion of the slashdot scene.
My original post got to 5 becuase a) I meant what I said, and moderators like honesty, b) people found it funny, which apparently you did not, and c) it was posted in reply to one of the first comments (first non-troll comments anyway; man, -1 is such a zoo these days).
I'm actually pretty annoyed about this post's moderation, becuase while it's gotten 4 positive feedback it's also been hit with Overrated twice (that happens to be my least favorite mod tag, and I refuse to use it when I mod). Somehow, even though I've posted several (I mean like 5 - 10) +5 comments after I hit +50 (the apparent cap), as well as numerous +3s, those 2 negatives in the /. Karma Calculus caused my overall to go to +49. wtf? Not that I inherently care about an abstract measure of communal worth on one website, but I'm quasi-pissed becuase the system isn't behaving the way I think it should/thought it did.
Lastly, as an AC, I think your room to throw stones about trolling is pretty slim. ;-)
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much simpler: rename the archive as kernel-2.4.0.tar.bz2.mp3 and slap-it in napster.
:)
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Don't forget about Alan, Andrea, Rik, David, Chris, Oliver...
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I must admit, LFS (Linux From Scratch, for those who don't know), is a very interesting-looking project. I'm using Slackware for my current Linux distro, and I'm sure I'll update to 7.2 once it's available, and use that to build my LFS partition slowly over the next several months. I'm already planning what s/w to use - it'll be an all GTK/Gnome system, and I'll try to eliminate as many dependencies on other libs as possible (no kde, lesstif, etc,) The proliferation of libs is pretty ridiculous these days. I'll also only have _one_ of each type of app - most distributions seem to want to install about 6 or more editors, 4 browsers, 5 window managers, etc. It's pretty insane. Sure, when you install all of Gnome, it's pretty huge, but keep in mind that when you do, you don't need to install a bunch of other stuff anymore (including libs). Can't wait for Gnome Helix and Nautilus to hit their prime...
I got in before the Slashdot effect myself - I'm running 2.4.0-prerelease-ac5.
They have this time at Apple in the development of new hardware called freezing the ROMs. You have to do it so you can get them into production to include in the new machines. But development of ROM software doesn't stop, it just takes the form of RAM-based patches...
Michael D. Crawford
GoingWare Inc
-- Could you use my software consulting serv
I read something from David S Miller on linux-kernel that Linux 2.4 broke some network apps because 2.4 no longer returns some ICMP error messages if it receives an unexpected UDP packet for a port which has no socket listening. These apps must depend on a UDP timeout (or something).
cpeterso
you'll need to know specific model numbers and such for just about everything in your system that you want to get working properly; you can consult the files under /proc to get just about every bit of information you need
/proc knows "everything" about your hardware, why can't Linux plug n play everything? Why can't Linux installer autodetect all your hardware?
If
cpeterso
you can find 2.4.0 here: ftp://rohirrim.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4 Please be easy on me :)
visit cruentus.metalunderground.net
rohirrim
I've never had any problem with 2.2 and do not understand why everyone got in a fuss with 2.4 anticipation. I'm sure 2.4 is a lot better, but I't doesn't matter what kernel we are running we are still better that windows.
1) Percentage of bugs as compared to micr0s0ft windoze. :)
... NEway... I don't care what you think... I'm off to get the latest...
2) Number of CPUs required to run a competitor OS at the same speed.
3) Number of people who really though it was a quick release
4) Number of people (in billions) who have been waiting for past year.
5) Number of hardware support still missing from the kernel.
6) Number of cans of beers you need to get over the release ( for heavy drinkers, multiply by 10)
7) Number of messages linus will get per minute over the next couple of months to thank him for another release...
I don't know if this will even help much, but http://a1.g.akamaitech.net/6/6/6/6/www.kernel.org/
SuPz.orG
Will the next stable kernel be 2.6 or 3.0?
:)
Sorry, no bets on the release date.
-jfedor
http://wire-head.org/linux-2.4.0.tar.bz2
Without a floppy copy of the new kernel, or a backup of the old one to fall back onto, you may find yourself in an awkward Catch-22:
The new kernel will steal away the file systems. Loadlin will boot the old copy of the kernel from the Windows partition. The old kernel will not be able to run the File System modules for reading the Windows partition (VFAT). You can find yourself unable to write the new kernel to either the floppy or Windows partition in order to get it booting in the same version as the FS's.
Once you've got the new kernel into place, be sure to write it to windows or floppy before the impending reboot.
don't open it unless you want to crash X
Why do you not all just get a life, start talking to the opposite sex, stop looking at porn, get laid, stop goat sex, ge
HTTP only, and it should move pretty quick for everyone. Enjoy.
I searched for 2.4 and 2.4.0 and did not find anything. I searched for linux and found: gwar - linux penguin attack, and Perra - Radio linux greet, and linus pronouncing linux
Why do you not all just get a life, start talking to the opposite sex, stop looking at porn, get laid, stop goat sex, ge
Thank you for answering the question concisely with your comparison to FreeBSD. I know a lot of FreeBSD advocates who would just say generally Linux sucks and should be scrapped. Instead, you gave two specific examples of things you think FreeBSD does better (and certainly there's some evidence to support your claim). Things which are possible, though not necessarily easy, to fix.
You can use either your Visa card or your PayPal account to send your contribution.
Support MasterCard and I'd donate. I don't have a Visa card, and it seems pretty silly to me to go through two intermediaries - FairTunes and PayPal.
A 'multimedia player' does not, and should not be implemented in the kernel layer.
The instability that would result would be staggering.
Hay thar.
SuSe 7.0 has all this except for iptables, but it does have reiserfs.
I just saw a very confused user posting to linux-kernel wondering where to send a report (he'd figured it out, but wasn't sure).
The correct, new address for bug report submissions is linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Same hostname, different domain.
If you're going to work with the new kernel, I highly recommand you browse the mailing list. But linux-kernel has one of the highest volumes of any internet mailing list so you probably don't want to actually subscribe (you don't have to subscribe to post, unlike many mailing lists).
Instead, read the list off an archive server. There are many of them. This search at Google will find you an archive
Michael D. Crawford
GoingWare Inc
-- Could you use my software consulting serv
"Things not yet mentioned (but still important): USB support - it is here in full: no "backporting"."
Regular USB support was in 2.2.18 with no backporting either.
Are you seriously implying it's an either/or choice???
Hay thar.
Ummm.... no... it was a backport from the 2.4 kernel. RTFM or something.
Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
Don't worry: Multiple trojaned versions of Kernel 2.4.0 will be available on Freenet within two days.
Hay thar.
Dunno about the exact version that's necessary, but a too old modutils means that modules simply won't work at all, because the 2.4 modules tree is different than before and the modutils don't find stuff where they expect it.
The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.
--Henry Kissinger
Someone should put the kernel on freenet if it isn't already there in some form.
This Wiki Feeds You TV and Anime - vidwiki.org
Oh my it seems the mighty kernel.org CAN be slashdotted even with it's 100mbits connection.
*shrug*
With bandwidth and disk space as abundant as it is today, the size of the kernel is not such an issue.
Yeah. I agree.
I want that recently introduced splash screen on bootup to be replaced by a customizable MPEG movie splash screen at bootup. And while we're at it, how about getting LILO to accept interactive natural language speech recognition to enter kernel parameters before loading the kernel?
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
(Not that I actually know what "w00t" is refrenced from, I have seen it on IRC and quake so I will use it here...)
This makes my day. Cool cool. Now if AMD will only get the SMP Athlon chipset out the door my year will be made!
Does anyone out in Slashdot land have an idea on when the SMP Athlon chipset will come out? AMD keeps mentioning it but I have yet too see a projected release date.
Try to hack my 31337 firewall!
$ uname -a
Linux syrnix©local 2©4©0 #4 SMP Thu Jan 4 21:11:28 EST 2001 i686 unknown
Only snag I hit with the 2©4 series was the new module tree structure, were you able to build the test-xx versions?
chris@xanadu:~$ whatis /.
/.: nothing appropriate.
I've DL'd 2.4.0 and applied the reiserfs 2.4.0test12 patch from www.namesys.com. It went okay, and the kernel seems to be compiling without issues. Just thought I'd let you all know.
;)
(On a related note, if you're making new reiserfs partitions I'd use the tools that come with the 2.2 kernel patches, as the 3.62 utils don't seem to work too well for my SMP Linux box. Could just be me though.
Cheers,
Ben
it's 2.5.0-test1betaAalpha3.0
should be out when linus cleans out his email box from all the "j3w 4r3 s00 1337. 3y3 w4nt t0 b3 li3k j3w" junk mail he'll be recieving from copious linux zealots.
say.....august?
FluX
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"It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -David Hume