No, people died because there are some people among us who feel that using force to accomplish their goals is acceptable regardless of what the law says.
I am 100% in favor of Neal Horsley and the Nuremberg Files web page, and I am against unnecessary use of violence as well. There is no contradiction. Let people say whatever they want, but when you commit murder, you cross the line.
I should hope we can all agree that using gestapo tactics to scare physicians by posting their addresses, names of spouses and children, phone numbers, children's schools and so on is just plain wrong
Gestapo tactics implies secret, covert, or untraceable means of persuasion. Neal Horsley made it known who he was, and what his agenda was. I think that the website was less about intimidation than it was about shame. It was about trying to make pariahs out of these "doctors". I'm not going to invite Dr. Slepian to my Labor Day barbecue if I know what type of OB/GYN he is. No, you're not going to get invited to my kids' birthday parties if you make a living by killing children.
If we happen to attend the same church, I'm not going to sit beside you. I'm not going to do business with people who do business with you.
Having a right to privacy is not the same as having a right to anonymity.
The people who wrote this site clearly intend that the doctors on the list be targeted for murder assault, and harassment
I suppose that depends on how you define harassment. If you mean, refusing to do business with, or letting others know how someone makes his living, or cutting off contact with, I suppose that could be one of the intents.
One's a tool to perfectly good program that will let you view your own DVDs on your own computer, the other is a tool and encouragement for illegal action.
Most of the information that was published on the Nuremberg Files webpage was available through the yellow & white pages.
It's not like they were saying "He usually eats lunch at McDonalds at 11:45 am, the McDonalds is located at 1121 Main Street, and the overlapping police patrols are 12 minutes apart..."
This was an assault on free speech, Pure and simple. If this had been a site run by HCI and gave the same type of details about gun dealers do you think that there would have been any lawsuit?
The version of Robocop that you speak of was originally shown at theaters with an R rating, then the MPAA (after the fact) changed their minds and threatned the film with an X rating if the scenes where Murphy's hand is blown off and the scene with the E.D. 209 blasting the shit out of that executive were not toned down.
As I remember the NC17 rating did not exist in the late 1980's when Robocop came out.
Something is really fucked up here. And I see no "problem" that needs to be solved with new restrictions. Games are games. Reality is reality. The rating boards need to figure this out and quit trying to correleate one with the other.
What I would like to see replace ratings is a list of questionable material in a movie. Instead of "This movie has been rated 'R' by the MPAA" I'd like to see "This film contains depictions of violent acts including murder, rape, assault and battery as well as extortion, drug usage, and music piracy."
And with all of this unprecedented firepower the only thing they could actually find was that Clinton received some blowjobs. That's a fact, buddy, and it's one you're going to have to deal with.
What he did was commit a felony. Perjury is a felony. The pro-aborts remained faithful to Bill Clinton. That's why he finished his term.
Or are you so foolish to believe that the enemies of Clinton had evidence of murder, rape, extortion, and treason and decided not to use it?
Evidence and proof are not the same. Juanita Broaderick's word alone is evidence of rape, but since it was over 20 years ago, there is no physical evidence as proof.
We'd better hope Strom Thurmond kicks off soon, so the Senate can block any and all Supreme Court nominations by this illegitimate president. Otherwise we're going to pay the price for the next forty years or so.
Gee, no more abortion on demand. A lot more work to do before you can ban guns, what a horrible thing it would be if someone like Bork were on the court. BTW, Thomas, the justice that you hate was confirmed by a majority DEMOCRAT senate.
No, wait, I bet you're referring to his successful attempt to derail the manual recount in Florida that would have certainly given Gore the presidency.
You mean the recounting of historically democratic counties in Florida?
Not unlike the "volunteer" work that some high schools are forcing students to do to graduate.
Contributions must be given freely, or they are not contributions. You can't force someone to consent to having sex with you.
I don't think that RedHat doing this is that big of a deal. As long as one can still FTP updated RPMs, then you are paying for the convience for easily installing updates.
Also, I'd like to see someone modify the MandrakeUpdate code to do RedHat updates.
You should seriously look into this, and oh yeah, thanks for alienating all the female readers of/.
Bullshit! lesbianism is erotic to many men. That's why I have so many bisexual and lesbian women in my sim neighborhood. It has nothing to do with misogyny, it has to do with liking lesbians.
In fact there are only two heterosexual females in my sim neighborhood. There is nothing cooler in the game that watching to sim women kiss. Don't like it? Tough!
Its interesting to me that the anti-authority script kiddies are going to eventually be the reason and the justification for the authorities monitoring everything we do online.
This is a common theme throughout society. It is the gun enthusiasts who are the reason that the authorities use for demanding more gun control. It is the anti-abortion protestors that the authorities used to push through the FACE act. It is the people who demand campaign finance reform the loudest who break the existing laws most flagrantly. It was the ACLU, for defending people on first amendment grounds, that caused someone in congress to propose an anti "flag burning amendment" to the US constitution.
Do something in public that is unpopular with the right people, regardless of legality, and you will soon find that activity restricted.
The battle is never over. Although I'm not even a sattelite user, I believe that the move/counter move struggle is still ongoing, even if Directv is in the lead.
I see a move/counter move battle similar to the ones between the sattelite TV industry and the sattelite TV pirates coming.
Napster filters certain copyrighted info, people cipher their filenames to get around the filter. Napster updates their filtering methods to compensate for the cipher, people develop new ciphers, napster compensates again, people develop new ciphers.....
I don't know if the UK can arbitrarily declare that her territorrial waters are now extended. International law is clear about how far from a countries shores are their territory.
I take offense to this in that I was a high school jock ( college and post college ), and
I do say some intelligent things. I usually found dweebs like you to be the real losers
Did you ever think that maybe the intent WAS to offend you?
While the tech sector may have succeeded at producing the likes of assholes like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, at least we didn't create wife beaters like OJ Simpson and murderers like Rae Carruth.
In that case my number 1 option is this. My name and signature have several letters in common with the phrase "Won't Agree", so if I am forced into an agreement that I don't like I write cursively "Won't Agree", that satisfies HR and if I decide to do otherwise, in court I can say "I didn't agree to this, look at the paper it says that I "Won't Agree" to those terms"
I'm running Mandrake 7.2 on the firewall that I'm sending this message through. I've been a mandrake user since version 6.0.
Unless I'm tweaking or doing something weird all of my mandrake boxes are rock solid stable.
DrakConf is a big reason why I've stuck with mandrake. I don't ave to visit web pages to know which kernel module to use when I add a new piece of hardware, I find out from DrakConf and poof I put it in.
After all, in order for someone to make a legal complaint they'd have to stand up in court and say "Yes, I'm an idiot. After I installed windows, I turned on access to my hard drives. No sir, I turned it on because I didn't want anybody to use it.
Where do these young impressionable children get these games? How many kids do you know who can afford to buy $50 games? Their parents buy them. If the parents don't take the time to read the package, it's not the game company's fault.
It all started with Mortal Kombat, but today that is tame compared to some of the blood and death games out there, where children are desensitised to death in the same way that soldiers are trained to be.
That's a lie. It's been perpetuated by people with a political axe to grind. Soldiers are trained to kill and overcome the natural aversion to killing your own kind by S-R. Stimulus-Response training is the best known way to overcome the natural aversion to killing your own kind. The targets that they use aren't pictures of people, they are silhouettes of human forms. In training you're just shooting silhouettes. The stimulus of a hostile silhouette gets the response of aiming and shooting. Stimulus=Hostile target. Response= Aim and shoot. Over and over again this sequence is repeated in training. They teach soldiers to disconnect the action of shooting from the reality of killing. No muss, no fuss the target pops up, you shoot the target goes down.
In video games you get gore, you get blood, you get screams, you get corpses. Military training is rather sanitized by comparison.
There's enough violence in the world without bringing it into the front room.
Seeing and knowing in advance what a bullet will do to someone will make someone think twice before using violence unnecessarily.
All I can say is thank God for Nintendo, who realise that you can have a great game without blood and guts.
Two words "Killer Instinct", Nintendo and Rareware made one of the most violent arcade games ever.
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People died because of it.
No, people died because there are some people among us who feel that using force to accomplish their goals is acceptable regardless of what the law says.
I am 100% in favor of Neal Horsley and the Nuremberg Files web page, and I am against unnecessary use of violence as well. There is no contradiction. Let people say whatever they want, but when you commit murder, you cross the line.
LK
Whether you are pro or anti choice.
Your bias is showing.
I should hope we can all agree that using gestapo tactics to scare physicians by posting their addresses, names of spouses and children, phone numbers, children's schools and so on is just plain wrong
Gestapo tactics implies secret, covert, or untraceable means of persuasion. Neal Horsley made it known who he was, and what his agenda was. I think that the website was less about intimidation than it was about shame. It was about trying to make pariahs out of these "doctors". I'm not going to invite Dr. Slepian to my Labor Day barbecue if I know what type of OB/GYN he is. No, you're not going to get invited to my kids' birthday parties if you make a living by killing children.
If we happen to attend the same church, I'm not going to sit beside you. I'm not going to do business with people who do business with you.
Having a right to privacy is not the same as having a right to anonymity.
The people who wrote this site clearly intend that the doctors on the list be targeted for murder assault, and harassment
I suppose that depends on how you define harassment. If you mean, refusing to do business with, or letting others know how someone makes his living, or cutting off contact with, I suppose that could be one of the intents.
LK
One's a tool to perfectly good program that will let you view your own DVDs on your own computer, the other is a tool and encouragement for illegal action.
So, peaceful protest is now illegal?
LK
Most of the information that was published on the Nuremberg Files webpage was available through the yellow & white pages.
It's not like they were saying "He usually eats lunch at McDonalds at 11:45 am, the McDonalds is located at 1121 Main Street, and the overlapping police patrols are 12 minutes apart..."
This was an assault on free speech, Pure and simple. If this had been a site run by HCI and gave the same type of details about gun dealers do you think that there would have been any lawsuit?
LK
Just because he knows about the constitution doesn't mean he wants it upheld.
He's pro second amendment and the NOW doesn't want him. That's good enough for me.
LK
Robocop was originally rated NC17
The version of Robocop that you speak of was originally shown at theaters with an R rating, then the MPAA (after the fact) changed their minds and threatned the film with an X rating if the scenes where Murphy's hand is blown off and the scene with the E.D. 209 blasting the shit out of that executive were not toned down.
As I remember the NC17 rating did not exist in the late 1980's when Robocop came out.
Something is really fucked up here. And I see no "problem" that needs to be solved with new restrictions. Games are games. Reality is reality. The rating boards need to figure this out and quit trying to correleate one with the other.
What I would like to see replace ratings is a list of questionable material in a movie. Instead of "This movie has been rated 'R' by the MPAA" I'd like to see "This film contains depictions of violent acts including murder, rape, assault and battery as well as extortion, drug usage, and music piracy."
LK
So who did fire Cox? The Solicitor-General, your hero, Robert Bork.
At the order of his boss. While I feel that Bork made the wrong decision, his knowledge of the constitution is first rate.
LK
And with all of this unprecedented firepower the only thing they could actually find was that Clinton received some blowjobs. That's a fact, buddy, and it's one you're going to have to deal with.
What he did was commit a felony. Perjury is a felony. The pro-aborts remained faithful to Bill Clinton. That's why he finished his term.
Or are you so foolish to believe that the enemies of Clinton had evidence of murder, rape, extortion, and treason and decided not to use it?
Evidence and proof are not the same. Juanita Broaderick's word alone is evidence of rape, but since it was over 20 years ago, there is no physical evidence as proof.
We'd better hope Strom Thurmond kicks off soon, so the Senate can block any and all Supreme Court nominations by this illegitimate president. Otherwise we're going to pay the price for the next forty years or so.
Gee, no more abortion on demand. A lot more work to do before you can ban guns, what a horrible thing it would be if someone like Bork were on the court. BTW, Thomas, the justice that you hate was confirmed by a majority DEMOCRAT senate.
LK
No, wait, I bet you're referring to his successful attempt to derail the manual recount in Florida that would have certainly given Gore the presidency.
You mean the recounting of historically democratic counties in Florida?
LK
Not unlike the "volunteer" work that some high schools are forcing students to do to graduate.
Contributions must be given freely, or they are not contributions. You can't force someone to consent to having sex with you.
I don't think that RedHat doing this is that big of a deal. As long as one can still FTP updated RPMs, then you are paying for the convience for easily installing updates.
Also, I'd like to see someone modify the MandrakeUpdate code to do RedHat updates.
LK
You should seriously look into this, and oh yeah, thanks for alienating all the female readers of /.
Bullshit! lesbianism is erotic to many men. That's why I have so many bisexual and lesbian women in my sim neighborhood. It has nothing to do with misogyny, it has to do with liking lesbians.
In fact there are only two heterosexual females in my sim neighborhood. There is nothing cooler in the game that watching to sim women kiss. Don't like it? Tough!
Its interesting to me that the anti-authority script kiddies are going to eventually be the reason and the justification for the authorities monitoring everything we do online.
This is a common theme throughout society. It is the gun enthusiasts who are the reason that the authorities use for demanding more gun control. It is the anti-abortion protestors that the authorities used to push through the FACE act. It is the people who demand campaign finance reform the loudest who break the existing laws most flagrantly. It was the ACLU, for defending people on first amendment grounds, that caused someone in congress to propose an anti "flag burning amendment" to the US constitution.
Do something in public that is unpopular with the right people, regardless of legality, and you will soon find that activity restricted.
LK
And we're free to talk about how idiotic statements like the one you just made are.
LK
The current wording if enough. After all, the founding fathers knew that weaponry would change over time.
LK
The battle is never over. Although I'm not even a sattelite user, I believe that the move/counter move struggle is still ongoing, even if Directv is in the lead.
LK
I see a move/counter move battle similar to the ones between the sattelite TV industry and the sattelite TV pirates coming.
Napster filters certain copyrighted info, people cipher their filenames to get around the filter. Napster updates their filtering methods to compensate for the cipher, people develop new ciphers, napster compensates again, people develop new ciphers.....
LK
I don't know if the UK can arbitrarily declare that her territorrial waters are now extended. International law is clear about how far from a countries shores are their territory.
LK
I take offense to this in that I was a high school jock ( college and post college ), and
I do say some intelligent things. I usually found dweebs like you to be the real losers
Did you ever think that maybe the intent WAS to offend you?
While the tech sector may have succeeded at producing the likes of assholes like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, at least we didn't create wife beaters like OJ Simpson and murderers like Rae Carruth.
LK
Well, that's unethical, since you're "tricking" HR into believing that you agreed. But unethical or not, it's a cool trick.
Not at all, if I don't lie. As long as I never verbally agree, it's their fault, not mine if they can't read.
LK
In that case my number 1 option is this. My name and signature have several letters in common with the phrase "Won't Agree", so if I am forced into an agreement that I don't like I write cursively "Won't Agree", that satisfies HR and if I decide to do otherwise, in court I can say "I didn't agree to this, look at the paper it says that I "Won't Agree" to those terms"
LK
I'm running Mandrake 7.2 on the firewall that I'm sending this message through. I've been a mandrake user since version 6.0.
Unless I'm tweaking or doing something weird all of my mandrake boxes are rock solid stable.
DrakConf is a big reason why I've stuck with mandrake. I don't ave to visit web pages to know which kernel module to use when I add a new piece of hardware, I find out from DrakConf and poof I put it in.
LK
After all, in order for someone to make a legal complaint they'd have to stand up in court and say "Yes, I'm an idiot. After I installed windows, I turned on access to my hard drives. No sir, I turned it on because I didn't want anybody to use it.
LK
Nintendo is desparately trying to get away from that "family" image.
There's no more money in making Mario 5123. FPS, RTS and action games are where the market has gone.
LK
Where do these young impressionable children get these games? How many kids do you know who can afford to buy $50 games? Their parents buy them. If the parents don't take the time to read the package, it's not the game company's fault.
It all started with Mortal Kombat, but today that is tame compared to some of the blood and death games out there, where children are desensitised to death in the same way that soldiers are trained to be.
That's a lie. It's been perpetuated by people with a political axe to grind. Soldiers are trained to kill and overcome the natural aversion to killing your own kind by S-R. Stimulus-Response training is the best known way to overcome the natural aversion to killing your own kind. The targets that they use aren't pictures of people, they are silhouettes of human forms. In training you're just shooting silhouettes. The stimulus of a hostile silhouette gets the response of aiming and shooting. Stimulus=Hostile target. Response= Aim and shoot. Over and over again this sequence is repeated in training. They teach soldiers to disconnect the action of shooting from the reality of killing. No muss, no fuss the target pops up, you shoot the target goes down.
In video games you get gore, you get blood, you get screams, you get corpses. Military training is rather sanitized by comparison.
There's enough violence in the world without bringing it into the front room.
Seeing and knowing in advance what a bullet will do to someone will make someone think twice before using violence unnecessarily.
All I can say is thank God for Nintendo, who realise that you can have a great game without blood and guts.
Two words "Killer Instinct", Nintendo and Rareware made one of the most violent arcade games ever.
LK
Give a listen to the song "The real Slim Shady" while you re-read it.
LK