Just so you know, John Kennedy was the only Catholic president that the US has had. Apparantly neither he nor Clinton are the most devout examples of followers of their religions.
Perhaps not everyone in China is a communist, but enough of them are to keep the communists in control.
Racism, and bigotry have nothing to to do with nationalism (except in times of war).
In the US especially, which is a country made from many other cultures, there is no tolerance for racism.
In fact the ACLU has had to stand up for the "right" of racist groups to spout their propaganda because most of the rest of us don't want to have to hear it.
I love my country, and I do believe that it's the best country on the planet. However so do many Canadians, and French, and Swedish, and......
We're all right.
Back to the point that three or four ACs posting racist drivel don't represent the majority of/.ers.
Congress is considering legislation that would make collections of facts protectable by law.
Would this mean that I could compile a database with my own personal info. (Name, DOB, Address, etc) and sue anyone else who attempts to include the contents of my database in their own?
I think that the most important development of the century was a system to bring higher math to the masses. Now every semi-educated adult knows how to calculate how long a Century and Millinnium are.
Even though they have their roots in the 19th century I think that the self-loading firearm heavily shaped the century.
The transistor, for obvious reasons.
Telephone, allowed for high speed accurate comunication to take place over greater distances than ever possible before.
Radio and television as forms of entertainment and education have shaped the century as well.
E=MC2, nuclear energy helped to end the mose destructive conflice that the planet ever saw and was an imposing spectre as it relates to being the tool used in the next war which surpasses all others.
I guess you have never had a hard professor in your life. I have many projects that I would start on within a few hours of receiving them and still be cutting it close. I have spent up to 120 hours in one week getting two projects done. Got A's on both.
I have had rough assignments and rough professors. I have procrastinated as well, when I got a bad grade because I waited too long, I just started sooner next time. It would have been juvenile to blame others for something that was my fault.
>>My point is that he tried to get his school project in with four hours to spare, therefore, he was not blaming bandwidth hoggers for slowing him down for four minutes but four hours.
My point is that if he/you knew of the project for days/a week and you waited until four hours before the deadline that it's YOUR fault for procrastinating
>>Actually, a good way to handle Napster would be to put low bandwidth limits on it.
That is exactly my point. If there is a problem with people hogging bandwidth they should throttle all connections so that everyone has a fast connection, but noone has "too fast" of a connection. If it's possible for a group of people to take up so much bandwidth that others can't use the system, then there is a design flaw.
>>I mean seriously, if you were in charge of such a network, and a chunk of it was being eaten up by a protocol that you knew was used for (more often than not) illegal activity, and condoning such activity would put you in a bad light to the students (and the parents of) who really wanted to use the net for research, what would you do?
I AM a network admin for the company that I work for. There is one user who takes massive amounts of bandwidth by opening up 8 windows in netscape and downloading massive amounts of patches and updates. When he takes too big a slice of the pie, I reset his connection. All without leaving my desk. If I had to do it on a university level, I'd throttle all connections to insure that no one person could take too big a slice of the pie. Once someone takes on the responsibility of policing network activity, they can no longer take refuge in just being a carrier. When will the MPAA sue this school for not stopping movie piracy? If they took steps to stop music piracy, they *should* have done the same for movies. Right?
>>Do you actually believe any of that garbage that you are posting, or are you just bored today and are getting in a good laugh. Students do not pay for their internet connectivity.
Not directly, they DO however pay for their room & board. If a network connection is a part of that room, you've paid for it.
>>Napster eats bandwidth to the point that it does effect other users ability to use the system. That is legitamite reason to ban it, which of course leaves people still able to use ftp and http and get all sorts of MP3s.
Any type of download "eats" bandwidth away from other users. If 20% of the university is downloading *BSD or linux ISO images, that will prevent others from having full access to the total bandwidth.
The administrator angle is a red herring to cover up the fact that the universities are pussying out in the face of the RIAA.
>>Your logic is terribly flawed. They paid for it, they can use it as the terms of service set forth by the University sees fit.
I'll say it again. Do you rent or own? If you rent, how would you feel about your landlord writing into the lease a prohibition against having sex in any manner of than the missionary position? In many states in the US sodomy is illegal, and according to the most strict interpretation anything other than heterosexual missionary sex is sodomy.
>>If you actually BELEIVE that that is the norm, you are stupid and/or haven't ever logged into napster.
Non issue, if they can prove that any specific individual pirated any specific file, then by all means they're correct to punish THAT INDIVIDUAL, not everyone else.
>>I'm sure any court would (IMO rightly) see that the University is well within its rights to curtail what it views as illegal use of its network, particularly an illegal use which is sapping away bandwidth from legitimate network uses.
See my sodomy example above.
>>Also, anyone upset about this should be aware that fighting this, or spearheading massive campaigns to try to "fuck the University" could backfire with Unis drafting REALLY STRICT terms of service that disallow game playing, casual web surfing, etc (anything that isn't specifically related to school/educational activities).
The university would lose out to the competing schools who are less draconian in their internet restrictions. It's a big game of chicken, the RIAA just beat the universities, so the universities want to take it out on the students.
>>Placing second in tournaments doesn't make you a champion.
It only means that 1 person in my division was better than me.
>>So what you're saying is "I've done many forms of karate but I'm still not able to crack second".
I'm also saying that it's been 9 years since my last tournament.
>> i.e. that your broad-ranging experience still can't outweigh you athletic shortcomings
I'm not an athlete. After 6 matches, I AM tired. I AM slower. I AM NOT as fast or strong as I was in my second match. Maybe that lack of endurance will mean that I lose if I have to fight 6 guys in a row again. I'll take that risk.
>>Japanese judo is still held back by an excessive reliance on kata (which I'm sure you know all about).
That's what I like about traditional Japanese martial arts. (and Kung Fu for that matter) The importance of tradition and history. I remember my sensei telling us the story of Shoto killing a bull with his bare hands. True or not (probably not) the story illustrates the type of focus and dedication that a man can have if he practices enough and believes in himself.
>>It matters because the bandwidth is not there to make the students happy.
Actually it is, in college brochures they love to mention that they have ethernet connections in the dorms when attempting to lure prospective students.
>>It does matter because of the simple fact hundreds of students downloading pirated mp3s is illegal, and downloading linux isn't, espically if its for a legitimate educational reason.
How many specific students can you name for downloading specific pirated files? What you believe or what you "know" is not that same as what you can "prove".
For the sake of arguement, if someone is doing an economics paper about new bands distributing music for free over the internet, downloading legal MP3s in that context would have an academic purpose.
>>You may rent the facilities and network, but they still *own* it.
Do you rent an apartment or own a house? Can your landlord tell you that you may only make love in the missionary position?
Ownership is not an issue.
>>They are scared the RIAA would start suing, can you blame them?
Yes, the RIAA has no case against the university.
Legal MP3 distribution does occur with napster. It's not the University's obligation to determine what is legal and what is illegal. If that's the case the university may as well prohibit all *.jpgs because SOME of them contain illegal images like kiddy porn or bestiality.
Where do YOU draw the line?
>>If you were the person in charge, what would you do?
Stand my ground, because if you give an inch they'll take a mile.
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Communism != Race
Clinton claims to be a Baptist.
Just so you know, John Kennedy was the only Catholic president that the US has had. Apparantly neither he nor Clinton are the most devout examples of followers of their religions.
Perhaps not everyone in China is a communist, but enough of them are to keep the communists in control.
LK
Racism???
You dumb ass he didn't say "Yellow Planet", he said RED PLANET.
The color red is associated with communism, ridiculing someone's form of government is NOT racism.
LK
Further evidence of the evils of nationalism....
......
/.ers.
Racism, and bigotry have nothing to to do with nationalism (except in times of war).
In the US especially, which is a country made from many other cultures, there is no tolerance for racism.
In fact the ACLU has had to stand up for the "right" of racist groups to spout their propaganda because most of the rest of us don't want to have to hear it.
I love my country, and I do believe that it's the best country on the planet. However so do many Canadians, and French, and Swedish, and
We're all right.
Back to the point that three or four ACs posting racist drivel don't represent the majority of
LK
Congress is considering legislation that would make collections of facts protectable by law.
Would this mean that I could compile a database with my own personal info. (Name, DOB, Address, etc) and sue anyone else who attempts to include the contents of my database in their own?
LK
Have a look at www.fear.org
LK
You don't go to prison without being raped by a few niggas.
Are you speaking from experience? So you like the dark meat, huh AC?
LK
Although this semi-educated adult has not yet learned to proof read his work.
DUH
LK
I think that the most important development of the century was a system to bring higher math to the masses. Now every semi-educated adult knows how to calculate how long a Century and Millinnium are.
Even though they have their roots in the 19th century I think that the self-loading firearm heavily shaped the century.
The transistor, for obvious reasons.
Telephone, allowed for high speed accurate comunication to take place over greater distances than ever possible before.
Radio and television as forms of entertainment and education have shaped the century as well.
E=MC2, nuclear energy helped to end the mose destructive conflice that the planet ever saw and was an imposing spectre as it relates to being the tool used in the next war which surpasses all others.
LK
I'd like to say that
(!RedHat == Linux)
If you don't understand that, then you just don't understand.
LK
I guess you have never had a hard professor in your life. I have many projects that I would start on within a few hours of receiving them and still be cutting it close. I have spent up to 120 hours in one week getting two projects done. Got A's on both.
I have had rough assignments and rough professors. I have procrastinated as well, when I got a bad grade because I waited too long, I just started sooner next time. It would have been juvenile to blame others for something that was my fault.
LK
>>My point is that he tried to get his school project in with four hours to spare, therefore, he was not blaming bandwidth hoggers for slowing him down for four minutes but four hours.
My point is that if he/you knew of the project for days/a week and you waited until four hours before the deadline that it's YOUR fault for procrastinating
>>Actually, a good way to handle Napster would be to put low bandwidth limits on it.
That is exactly my point. If there is a problem with people hogging bandwidth they should throttle all connections so that everyone has a fast connection, but noone has "too fast" of a connection. If it's possible for a group of people to take up so much bandwidth that others can't use the system, then there is a design flaw.
I would not consider four hours before a deadline to be cutting it too close.
Some people don't consider 4 minutes before a deadline cutting it too close. What is your point?
LK
>>I mean seriously, if you were in charge of such a network, and a chunk of it was being eaten up by a protocol that you knew was used for (more often than not) illegal activity, and condoning such activity would put you in a bad light to the students (and the parents of) who really wanted to use the net for research, what would you do?
I AM a network admin for the company that I work for. There is one user who takes massive amounts of bandwidth by opening up 8 windows in netscape and downloading massive amounts of patches and updates. When he takes too big a slice of the pie, I reset his connection. All without leaving my desk. If I had to do it on a university level, I'd throttle all connections to insure that no one person could take too big a slice of the pie. Once someone takes on the responsibility of policing network activity, they can no longer take refuge in just being a carrier. When will the MPAA sue this school for not stopping movie piracy? If they took steps to stop music piracy, they *should* have done the same for movies. Right?
LK
>> The colleges are nice enough to give you the internet connection, so they have to ability to regulate it as they see fit.
That's like saying that McDonalds is "nice enough" to give you the hamburger at window 2 after they take your money at window 1.
LK
>>Do you actually believe any of that garbage that you are posting, or are you just bored today and are getting in a good laugh. Students do not pay for their internet connectivity.
Not directly, they DO however pay for their room & board. If a network connection is a part of that room, you've paid for it.
LK
>>You are missing the point.
No, you're missing my point. It's not a question of "can they do this?" They can.
The question is "Where will they stop with this?"
Can you answer that? No.
LK
>>Great... you just flunked your homework because some kids are downloading MP3's all night.
.3K/Sec because every compsci class was d/ling the kernel and an ISO of FreeBSD.
Why does it matter WHY? What if you were d/ling at
Throttling connections would be just as effective in prohibiting excessive downloading. Right?
>>Napster eats bandwidth to the point that it does effect other users ability to use the system. That is legitamite reason to ban it, which of course leaves people still able to use ftp and http and get all sorts of MP3s.
Any type of download "eats" bandwidth away from other users. If 20% of the university is downloading *BSD or linux ISO images, that will prevent others from having full access to the total bandwidth.
The administrator angle is a red herring to cover up the fact that the universities are pussying out in the face of the RIAA.
Answer the question AC.
Deal with the issue AC.
Is it right for a university to cripple the access that people pay them for to curb activity that could be either legal or illegal.
When do they start forbidding the downloading of JPG files? After all kiddy porn and bestiality pics could be distributed in jpg form.
LK
>>Your logic is terribly flawed. They paid for it, they can use it as the terms of service set forth by the University sees fit.
I'll say it again. Do you rent or own? If you rent, how would you feel about your landlord writing into the lease a prohibition against having sex in any manner of than the missionary position? In many states in the US sodomy is illegal, and according to the most strict interpretation anything other than heterosexual missionary sex is sodomy.
>>If you actually BELEIVE that that is the norm, you are stupid and/or haven't ever logged into napster.
Non issue, if they can prove that any specific individual pirated any specific file, then by all means they're correct to punish THAT INDIVIDUAL, not everyone else.
>>I'm sure any court would (IMO rightly) see that the University is well within its rights to curtail what it views as illegal use of its network, particularly an illegal use which is sapping away bandwidth from legitimate network uses.
See my sodomy example above.
>>Also, anyone upset about this should be aware that fighting this, or spearheading massive campaigns to try to "fuck the University" could backfire with Unis drafting REALLY STRICT terms of service that disallow game playing, casual web surfing, etc (anything that isn't specifically related to school/educational activities).
The university would lose out to the competing schools who are less draconian in their internet restrictions. It's a big game of chicken, the RIAA just beat the universities, so the universities want to take it out on the students.
LK
>>There damned bandwidth usage for illegal purposes may have cost me my grade.
Waiting until right before the deadline may have cost your your grade.
>>Also, there are several clauses in the network usage contract saying "you cannot use abnormal amounts of bandwidth".
Define abnormal. If large numbers of people are using the same amount of bandwidth as you, your use IS normal.
LK
>>Placing second in tournaments doesn't make you a champion.
It only means that 1 person in my division was better than me.
>>So what you're saying is "I've done many forms of karate but I'm still not able to crack second".
I'm also saying that it's been 9 years since my last tournament.
>> i.e. that your broad-ranging experience still can't outweigh you athletic shortcomings
I'm not an athlete. After 6 matches, I AM tired. I AM slower. I AM NOT as fast or strong as I was in my second match. Maybe that lack of endurance will mean that I lose if I have to fight 6 guys in a row again. I'll take that risk.
>>Japanese judo is still held back by an excessive reliance on kata (which I'm sure you know all about).
That's what I like about traditional Japanese martial arts. (and Kung Fu for that matter) The importance of tradition and history. I remember my sensei telling us the story of Shoto killing a bull with his bare hands. True or not (probably not) the story illustrates the type of focus and dedication that a man can have if he practices enough and believes in himself.
LK
>>It matters because the bandwidth is not there to make the students happy.
Actually it is, in college brochures they love to mention that they have ethernet connections in the dorms when attempting to lure prospective students.
LK
>>It does matter because of the simple fact hundreds of students downloading pirated mp3s is illegal, and downloading linux isn't, espically if its for a legitimate educational reason.
How many specific students can you name for downloading specific pirated files? What you believe or what you "know" is not that same as what you can "prove".
For the sake of arguement, if someone is doing an economics paper about new bands distributing music for free over the internet, downloading legal MP3s in that context would have an academic purpose.
LK
>>You may rent the facilities and network, but they still *own* it.
Do you rent an apartment or own a house? Can your landlord tell you that you may only make love in the missionary position?
Ownership is not an issue.
>>They are scared the RIAA would start suing, can you blame them?
Yes, the RIAA has no case against the university.
Legal MP3 distribution does occur with napster. It's not the University's obligation to determine what is legal and what is illegal. If that's the case the university may as well prohibit all *.jpgs because SOME of them contain illegal images like kiddy porn or bestiality.
Where do YOU draw the line?
>>If you were the person in charge, what would you do?
Stand my ground, because if you give an inch they'll take a mile.
LK