My understanding (a bit dated?) was that they intended to offer more than one flavor of on-die, having one proc. with full speed and another with maybe 1/2. I think the T-bird was the full-speed. Anyone?? -Tranq
Absolutely, except that I would go a bit further down that line. Alienation and outsiderness do not a geek make. I actually did participate in some HS activities (not sports, of course)and certainly never felt ostracized because I coded. I also don't like this idea of single minded obsession K promotes. Some of us also like to think of ourselves as reasonably well read and posessed from time to time of insights into history, politics, literature, or the arts. Does this make us less geeky? The core geek ethos is at the junction of inquisitiveness and imposition of one's own will on the surrounding world. What is? What ramifications does that have? What can I do with that? Technological applications lend themselves to this outlook, as they are concrete- the feedback is immediate, the conclusions and results (relatively) tangible. It is quite possible- actually I see it beginning to happen- that geekdom with revolt against this "computer nerd" pidgeon-hole and assert its competence in other areas as well. Meanwhile those who are following the pack are desperately trying to paint themselves as "geeks" when they are in reality simply users- the mass, the mob. Finally, I REALLY don't like this direction of "we control the spice, we control the universe" remember: that only works if you stop the flow of spice, any true geek should scream against that possibility. Revolution is good, Hitler/Gatesesque drive to assert one's significance due to some reversal in social status and absurd megalomanical ego ain't cool... and is contrary to the spirit we should uphold. Rant completed. Tranq
Hey this would solve that dangerous vials on airplanes problem- just drag a cow on the plane with you and have it fart in the direction of your laptop. Tranq
A good trick re: igniting booze is to use a multi-stage ignition process, either heating lower proof stuff torching that and combining or torching higher proof stuff or a combination of the two (caveat, grain for example is pretty tricky to handle when on fire). Anyhoo, this is something of a concern as I imagine methanol too is more volatile in heat- lower heat dissipation in the device ala the Transmeta=good if you're planning on dropping this in a case and leaving it running in your trunk on a hot day (-; Tranq
Well, I don't really follow this, but I think it has something to do with the mechanism by which they decide they're full. At least this used to be the case and why it was (is?) important to charge to capacity. If you don't (and really, who always does) that capacity shrinks- it's kind of like a government budget (-; Tranq Anyone fill in the details on this??
The current atmosphere isn't exactly the same. Yes, I remember those flame wars on occasion. In those cases, though, usually it wasn't for NO reason. As you say, it was a smaller scene... practically everyone involved had a presence. Over time, rivalries ensued and conflicts brewed. That's only to be expected amongst intelligent peers engaged in an extended dialog. Whatever the medium, I imagine it has always been so- in every age, in every country. In the old days, there was some concept of taking newbies in. Good BBS citizens answered questions, gave hints. There was less intrusion then, as the newcomers were intimidated and respectful. Everyone DID care what others thought of them and knew that if they asked stupid questions instead of reading past threads and FAQs they would be ignored or told to RTFM and any comments they had on a subject might receive less consideration. Anyone who came in and raised hell for NO reason- spreading chaos- was toyed with a bit, then ignored. So, what's the difference between then and now? Primarily, I think it must be that people feel awash in the flood of millions of other anonymous users. With so many more people in the community, it is much harder to chip away at building a positive reputation. It takes longer, and being vocal (even unnecessarily or in a hostile manner) at least has a chance of getting you noticed. On the whole, though, rational discussion persists between peers(this thread is a good example of that). My guess is that within these forums, over an extended period of time, everyone will be able to figure out who is worth flaming and who is not. Tranq
Actually, from the benchmarks I've seen (check out Anandtech, I think) it seemed pretty clear that there wasn't simply lesser performance in terms of wireframes for the regular Geforce, but they were simply abysmal-- well below much much older cards. Combined with NVDA's explanation that they were disabling certain features in the Geforce, I think it's not too hard to peg this as (primarily) a driver issue. It is not quite clear how they are crippling the consumer level card, but I think their reluctance to issue driver source may suggest worry that open sourced drivers would soon 'fix' their implementation- effectively leaving VERY little performance improvement for that few hundred premium. Tranq
Ok, my bet will be that very few people will even attempt (some always do of course) to OC the IA64 when it comes out. Why? It's going to be damn expensive. They're releasing for a server chip there, at least initially... expect pricing like the Xeon used to be, at least, and wait for AMD's counter move. Now, the Celeron OCs well for 2 reasons first, it's the same chip as the PIII but clocked down with a 66mhz bus instead of 100 and with integrated cache (which helps OCers). So, since they got damn good yields up until they started rushing the transition to smaller size, a lot of those 300s and 366s are capable of easily and smoothly cranking up to 4 and 550 since that was about the low end of the yield curve for Intel by then. But, much more difficult to work higher with that kind of a jump (50%)once you're working with a higher clocked chip (like a celeron 500, say) to begin with. Anyway, look for Athlon to OC better as they deploy.18s from Dresden Fab this year and keep praying for good Mobos and 8 way SMP...(and SMP SuperGs! heh). Tranq
Whoa, back that train up... let's look a bit closer at this. A) indicates a product or technology "Primarily" designed to circumvent copyright protections. Is that DeCSS' primary purpose or is it incidental to it's functionality? B) is right out, to my thinking (depending on one's definitions of Open Source and Commercial viability)since interoperability with alternate platforms would seem commercially valid. But, notice that this links with an "or" to C) their primary avenue of attack. If they nail these few guys for wording this as a product which enables copying (and hence, these guys knew people might use it to pirate) then precedent is set that everyone else (RedHat, Suse, name yer distro) also must know the potential for abuse and thus will NOT take on the liability. Also unfortuntely, the wording these guys used doesn't look good. The key, as has been said before in this discussion, is to get a viable Linux DVD player out before the end of this case. HIGH PRIORITY on this one, people. Tranq
Actually, I think this may not be so clear cut. Since this is contracted development, one would assume the NSA would retain rights and hence would not stand as the organization within which internal use would be acceptable. However, there was mention of a commercial version and of the company's plans to targer business as well as govt. In the case that Secure retains somehow the rights to distribute this technology (Anyone familiar with NSA's contracting procedure here?) then presumably they would be DISTRIBUTING and thus have to merge into the GPL pool- which would be good for the rest of us, IMHO. Tranq
I, too, am not quite sure what you mean by "services" or by "compatible" for that matter. There ARE plans to implements geographic routing (mostly for wireless applications, roving users- 'there's an accident/storm warning/whatever') Further, you are more than welcome to implement location data into your own services (you can set lat/lon in an experimental LOC RR under DNS). Look into CAIDA for info on net mapping, geographic route tracing and the like. Was this the sort of info you were looking for? If not, please clarify... Tranq
My initial reaction to this 'news' is curiosity as to what effect this may have on existing distributions (such as RedHat). As some posters have already noted, there are various interested parties trying to capture early market share in the asian sector. Whichever provides the best targeted language support will likely hold the lead. However, since the revenue model is not only based upon consulting/troubleshooting and training but also on distribution, success is dependent on fast and secure local access (i.e. a local mirror). Will that mirror house a RedHat "China" version and the US sites an English variant? Will content fork (not the kernel of course, but the packages) as well in response to local demands? Finally, can a "priority" ftp service charge model exist there... what if the govt. establishes its own mirrors on largeish pipes? Anyone? Tranq
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My understanding (a bit dated?) was that they intended to offer more than one flavor of on-die, having one proc. with full speed and another with maybe 1/2. I think the T-bird was the full-speed. Anyone?? -Tranq
Absolutely, except that I would go a bit further down that line. Alienation and outsiderness do not a geek make. I actually did participate in some HS activities (not sports, of course)and certainly never felt ostracized because I coded. I also don't like this idea of single minded obsession K promotes. Some of us also like to think of ourselves as reasonably well read and posessed from time to time of insights into history, politics, literature, or the arts. Does this make us less geeky? The core geek ethos is at the junction of inquisitiveness and imposition of one's own will on the surrounding world. What is? What ramifications does that have? What can I do with that? Technological applications lend themselves to this outlook, as they are concrete- the feedback is immediate, the conclusions and results (relatively) tangible. It is quite possible- actually I see it beginning to happen- that geekdom with revolt against this "computer nerd" pidgeon-hole and assert its competence in other areas as well. Meanwhile those who are following the pack are desperately trying to paint themselves as "geeks" when they are in reality simply users- the mass, the mob. Finally, I REALLY don't like this direction of "we control the spice, we control the universe" remember: that only works if you stop the flow of spice, any true geek should scream against that possibility. Revolution is good, Hitler/Gatesesque drive to assert one's significance due to some reversal in social status and absurd megalomanical ego ain't cool... and is contrary to the spirit we should uphold. Rant completed. Tranq
Hey this would solve that dangerous vials on airplanes problem- just drag a cow on the plane with you and have it fart in the direction of your laptop. Tranq
A good trick re: igniting booze is to use a multi-stage ignition process, either heating lower proof stuff torching that and combining or torching higher proof stuff or a combination of the two (caveat, grain for example is pretty tricky to handle when on fire). Anyhoo, this is something of a concern as I imagine methanol too is more volatile in heat- lower heat dissipation in the device ala the Transmeta=good if you're planning on dropping this in a case and leaving it running in your trunk on a hot day (-; Tranq
Well, I don't really follow this, but I think it has something to do with the mechanism by which they decide they're full. At least this used to be the case and why it was (is?) important to charge to capacity. If you don't (and really, who always does) that capacity shrinks- it's kind of like a government budget (-; Tranq Anyone fill in the details on this??
The current atmosphere isn't exactly the same. Yes, I remember those flame wars on occasion. In those cases, though, usually it wasn't for NO reason. As you say, it was a smaller scene... practically everyone involved had a presence. Over time, rivalries ensued and conflicts brewed. That's only to be expected amongst intelligent peers engaged in an extended dialog. Whatever the medium, I imagine it has always been so- in every age, in every country. In the old days, there was some concept of taking newbies in. Good BBS citizens answered questions, gave hints. There was less intrusion then, as the newcomers were intimidated and respectful. Everyone DID care what others thought of them and knew that if they asked stupid questions instead of reading past threads and FAQs they would be ignored or told to RTFM and any comments they had on a subject might receive less consideration. Anyone who came in and raised hell for NO reason- spreading chaos- was toyed with a bit, then ignored. So, what's the difference between then and now? Primarily, I think it must be that people feel awash in the flood of millions of other anonymous users. With so many more people in the community, it is much harder to chip away at building a positive reputation. It takes longer, and being vocal (even unnecessarily or in a hostile manner) at least has a chance of getting you noticed. On the whole, though, rational discussion persists between peers(this thread is a good example of that). My guess is that within these forums, over an extended period of time, everyone will be able to figure out who is worth flaming and who is not. Tranq
Actually, from the benchmarks I've seen (check out Anandtech, I think) it seemed pretty clear that there wasn't simply lesser performance in terms of wireframes for the regular Geforce, but they were simply abysmal-- well below much much older cards. Combined with NVDA's explanation that they were disabling certain features in the Geforce, I think it's not too hard to peg this as (primarily) a driver issue. It is not quite clear how they are crippling the consumer level card, but I think their reluctance to issue driver source may suggest worry that open sourced drivers would soon 'fix' their implementation- effectively leaving VERY little performance improvement for that few hundred premium. Tranq
Ok, my bet will be that very few people will even attempt (some always do of course) to OC the IA64 when it comes out. Why? It's going to be damn expensive. They're releasing for a server chip there, at least initially... expect pricing like the Xeon used to be, at least, and wait for AMD's counter move. Now, the Celeron OCs well for 2 reasons first, it's the same chip as the PIII but clocked down with a 66mhz bus instead of 100 and with integrated cache (which helps OCers). So, since they got damn good yields up until they started rushing the transition to smaller size, a lot of those 300s and 366s are capable of easily and smoothly cranking up to 4 and 550 since that was about the low end of the yield curve for Intel by then. But, much more difficult to work higher with that kind of a jump (50%)once you're working with a higher clocked chip (like a celeron 500, say) to begin with. Anyway, look for Athlon to OC better as they deploy .18s from Dresden Fab this year and keep praying for good Mobos and 8 way SMP...(and SMP SuperGs! heh). Tranq
Whoa, back that train up... let's look a bit closer at this. A) indicates a product or technology "Primarily" designed to circumvent copyright protections. Is that DeCSS' primary purpose or is it incidental to it's functionality? B) is right out, to my thinking (depending on one's definitions of Open Source and Commercial viability)since interoperability with alternate platforms would seem commercially valid. But, notice that this links with an "or" to C) their primary avenue of attack. If they nail these few guys for wording this as a product which enables copying (and hence, these guys knew people might use it to pirate) then precedent is set that everyone else (RedHat, Suse, name yer distro) also must know the potential for abuse and thus will NOT take on the liability. Also unfortuntely, the wording these guys used doesn't look good. The key, as has been said before in this discussion, is to get a viable Linux DVD player out before the end of this case. HIGH PRIORITY on this one, people. Tranq
Actually, I think this may not be so clear cut. Since this is contracted development, one would assume the NSA would retain rights and hence would not stand as the organization within which internal use would be acceptable. However, there was mention of a commercial version and of the company's plans to targer business as well as govt. In the case that Secure retains somehow the rights to distribute this technology (Anyone familiar with NSA's contracting procedure here?) then presumably they would be DISTRIBUTING and thus have to merge into the GPL pool- which would be good for the rest of us, IMHO. Tranq
I, too, am not quite sure what you mean by "services" or by "compatible" for that matter. There ARE plans to implements geographic routing (mostly for wireless applications, roving users- 'there's an accident/storm warning/whatever') Further, you are more than welcome to implement location data into your own services (you can set lat/lon in an experimental LOC RR under DNS). Look into CAIDA for info on net mapping, geographic route tracing and the like. Was this the sort of info you were looking for? If not, please clarify... Tranq
My initial reaction to this 'news' is curiosity as to what effect this may have on existing distributions (such as RedHat). As some posters have already noted, there are various interested parties trying to capture early market share in the asian sector. Whichever provides the best targeted language support will likely hold the lead. However, since the revenue model is not only based upon consulting/troubleshooting and training but also on distribution, success is dependent on fast and secure local access (i.e. a local mirror). Will that mirror house a RedHat "China" version and the US sites an English variant? Will content fork (not the kernel of course, but the packages) as well in response to local demands? Finally, can a "priority" ftp service charge model exist there... what if the govt. establishes its own mirrors on largeish pipes? Anyone? Tranq