I felt the need to share because people were being told that they couldn’t exercise their religion the way they wanted to, and I happen to think that is wrong.
I think he missed a few words in there, but what he meant was:
Overpopulation is a pretext for racists to advocate “population control” whereby they hope to address the poverty that breeds itself, particular in certain segments of the population who cannot seem to keep their legs closed. This is all supported with arguments such as follows:
It is a vicious cycle; ignorance breeds poverty and poverty breeds ignorance. There is only one cure for both, and that is to stop breeding these things. Stop bringing to birth children whose inheritance cannot be one of health or intelligence. Stop bringing into the world children whose parents cannot provide for them. Herein lies the key of civilization. For upon the foundation of an enlightened and voluntary motherhood shall a future civilization emerge.
Aww, hell. I’m forgetting where I am. I should’ve just said she was strongly against masturbation...
In my experience as a trained nurse while attending persons afflicted with various and often revolting diseases, no matter what their ailments, I have never found any one so repulsive as the chronic masturbator. It would be difficult not to fill page upon page of heartrending confessions made by young girls, whose lives were blighted by this pernicious habit, always begun so innocently, for even after they have ceased the habit, they find themselves incapable of any relief in the natural act. [...] Perhaps the greatest physical danger to the chronic masturbator is the inability to perform the sexual act naturally.
Now most of Slashdot will be up in arms, I’m sure.
What I said was, if your freedom from religion means I can’t talk to one of my friends (imaginary or not) in a public place, you are an intolerant bigot.
Look, you just described your situation, and I agree that (if it’s as bad as you claim) then you have cause to be irritated.
You then proceed to belittle my belief in a God who created. I told you what I believe. There is a conflict; the Roman Catholic Church happens to be, in my humble opinion, wrong about that – and a lot of other things. I offered it as an example, not just to “throw evolution into it”, but as a way to show that atheism and humanism are just as prevalent in my society as the religious intolerance that seems to be in yours.
I really wouldn’t have a problem with atheists who just wanted to be left alone. It’s just that leaving them alone too often means that I can’t do perfectly reasonable things in public places while they’re there to be offended by it.
After reading TFA (yes, surprise), it seems my original idea [take a vote, have somebody pray, keep most of the people happy] wasn’t really very relevant.
There is no unified prayer given by someone.
They are, in fact, telling the individual people that they are not permitted to pray audibly before they eat. It might offend someone.
Unless there is a total prohibition on TALKING while you eat, it shouldn’t matter whether you are talking to the guy sitting next to you, to an imaginary friend, or to your particular deity (which some people would call an imaginary friend anyway). Treat them equally. If they’re not being loud and disruptive, they can talk to whomever they want. If they are being abnormally loud and bothering other people, it shouldn’t make any difference what they were shouting about.
You’re really going to have to expound on that. I have no idea what you’re getting at. Please don’t tell me you’re distressed just by having to drive past churches.
Now, the bets part - when your average "devout Polish Christian" goes, say, to Czech Republic (a lot of beatiful monasteries for example)...well, that person typically doesn't realize it was a trip to a very strongly atheist country. They just don't know. That doesn't work so well in the other direction. We know how to "not get in your way"...but here is the place for mutualism...
Evolution is equally pervasive where I am. I believe that God first of all exists, secondly could create, thirdly happens to have created, and while I really don’t care if someone disagrees with that, just about anywhere I go is saturated with evolutionary theory: billions of years this, millions of years that. In completely unrelated subjects they’ll feel the need to point out the completely unnecessary fact that such-and-such a fish, according to them, is thought to have been unchanged for tens of millions of years. And should I happen to voice my own opinion, I’ll be heartily beaten over the head by the devoted believers in Science.
Frankly I’d prefer we could just pretend to be civil enough to mostly get along. I’ll tolerate hearing about their billions of years and atheists can tolerate hearing a few prayers.
As opposed to any other religion, which is also convinced that it knows the ultimate truth about the Universe, and has the absolute moral guidance?
Or atheists, who are convinced of their own ultimate truths about the universe (typically chance and evolution) and their own moral guidance (typically self-imposed sense of ethics, civilly imposed sense of law, etc.)?
We’ve degenerated into the stupid situation where simply believing someone is wrong is considered to be the same as intolerantly bashing them over the head. If someone goes on a lengthy tirade about godless atheists who have no morals then yeah, you have a justified reason to call them intolerant. A polite prayer before a meal, however, is absolutely not any justifiable cause for offense.
I’m not against the idea, no. Certainly if a majority of the people didn’t want to have a prayer, then the ones who did should pray silently to themselves or do it in their rooms or some other place before coming to the meal.
If the majority of the people do want to have the prayer, though, a few arrogant killjoys shouldn’t be allowed to prevent everyone else from having it.
In principle, any orbit with a period equal to the Earth's rotational period is technically geosynchronous; however, the term is often used to refer to the special case of a geosynchronous orbit that is circular (or nearly circular) and at zero (or nearly zero) inclination, that is, directly above the equator. This is customarily called a geostationary orbit.
If your cartoons had any relevance to the actual situation, they might be more amusing. The vast majority of Christians don’t go around bashing people over the head with their beliefs.
It’s not even like you’d be forced to sit through it if you don’t want to.
If you’re really so offended by listening to someone exercise their own religion, just come to the meal just before it starts and after the silly religious nonsense is over with.
Well... he did utter some pretty good ones on the campaign trail, and his Vice President hardly disappoints when it comes to frequency and hilarity of gaffes.
I do, however, agree with your first statement: Blindly accepting everything that anyone says is a mistake.
If you think that public prayer is appropriate then you disagree with what christ taught.
At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure. All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.” — Mt. 11:25-27, Jesus speaking in front of a crowd
And he directed the people to sit down on the grass. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the people. — Mt. 14:19, at which it is recorded 5,000 men were present
Then he took the seven loaves and the fish, and when he had given thanks, he broke them and gave them to the disciples, and they in turn to the people. — Mt. 15:36, at which 4,000 men were present
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you.” — Mt. 26:26-27, with his disciples
About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?”—which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” — Mt. 27:46, Jesus on the cross
Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to his disciples to set before the people. He also divided the two fish among them all. — Mk. 6:41, parallel passage to the feeding of the 5,000 as also recorded in Matthew
He told the crowd to sit down on the ground. When he had taken the seven loaves and given thanks, he broke them and gave them to his disciples to set before the people, and they did so. They had a few small fish as well; he gave thanks for them also and told the disciples to distribute them. — Mk. 8:6-7, parallel passage to the feeding of the 4,000 as also recorded in Matthew
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take it; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, and they all drank from it. — Mk. 14:22-23, parallel passage of the last supper as also recorded in Matthew
And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?”—which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” — Mk. 15:34, parallel passage of Jesus on the cross as also recorded in Matthew
Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke them. Then he gave them to the disciples to set before the people. — Lk. 9:16, parallel to Matthew and Mark’s gospels
After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you. For I tell you I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.” And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” — Lk. 22:17-19, parallel to Matthew and Mark’s accounts
Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up his clothes by casting lots. — Lk. 23:34, Jesus on the cross
Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his la
And here I always thought that home was your environment: your friends, your family, the community you contribute to and are a part of.
And it is.
Uprooting yourself, invading a country when it is illegal for you to do so, and then planting yourself into a new community does not make that your new home, however, no matter how long you’ve stayed there. Until the law says that it’s legal for you to be living there, you can legally be deported at any time, and that is not your home. Home is a place where you can be confident of the security of your goods and dwelling.
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Well, I was paraphrasing. I think what he more literally intended to say was:
Its just a pretext for racists to claim that some people (primarily certain races) 'breed' too much.
I felt the need to share because people were being told that they couldn’t exercise their religion the way they wanted to, and I happen to think that is wrong.
200 grams of rice should be enough for anybody!
I think he missed a few words in there, but what he meant was:
Overpopulation is a pretext for racists to advocate “population control” whereby they hope to address the poverty that breeds itself, particular in certain segments of the population who cannot seem to keep their legs closed. This is all supported with arguments such as follows:
Aww, hell. I’m forgetting where I am. I should’ve just said she was strongly against masturbation...
Now most of Slashdot will be up in arms, I’m sure.
“Useless energy” is best illustrated by what you just expended by typing that rant.
What I said was, if your freedom from religion means I can’t talk to one of my friends (imaginary or not) in a public place, you are an intolerant bigot.
Look, you just described your situation, and I agree that (if it’s as bad as you claim) then you have cause to be irritated.
You then proceed to belittle my belief in a God who created. I told you what I believe. There is a conflict; the Roman Catholic Church happens to be, in my humble opinion, wrong about that – and a lot of other things. I offered it as an example, not just to “throw evolution into it”, but as a way to show that atheism and humanism are just as prevalent in my society as the religious intolerance that seems to be in yours.
I really wouldn’t have a problem with atheists who just wanted to be left alone. It’s just that leaving them alone too often means that I can’t do perfectly reasonable things in public places while they’re there to be offended by it.
After reading TFA (yes, surprise), it seems my original idea [take a vote, have somebody pray, keep most of the people happy] wasn’t really very relevant.
There is no unified prayer given by someone.
They are, in fact, telling the individual people that they are not permitted to pray audibly before they eat. It might offend someone.
Unless there is a total prohibition on TALKING while you eat, it shouldn’t matter whether you are talking to the guy sitting next to you, to an imaginary friend, or to your particular deity (which some people would call an imaginary friend anyway). Treat them equally. If they’re not being loud and disruptive, they can talk to whomever they want. If they are being abnormally loud and bothering other people, it shouldn’t make any difference what they were shouting about.
And oh boy...it's so much nicer there.
You’re really going to have to expound on that. I have no idea what you’re getting at. Please don’t tell me you’re distressed just by having to drive past churches.
Now, the bets part - when your average "devout Polish Christian" goes, say, to Czech Republic (a lot of beatiful monasteries for example)...well, that person typically doesn't realize it was a trip to a very strongly atheist country. They just don't know. That doesn't work so well in the other direction. We know how to "not get in your way"...but here is the place for mutualism...
Evolution is equally pervasive where I am. I believe that God first of all exists, secondly could create, thirdly happens to have created, and while I really don’t care if someone disagrees with that, just about anywhere I go is saturated with evolutionary theory: billions of years this, millions of years that. In completely unrelated subjects they’ll feel the need to point out the completely unnecessary fact that such-and-such a fish, according to them, is thought to have been unchanged for tens of millions of years. And should I happen to voice my own opinion, I’ll be heartily beaten over the head by the devoted believers in Science.
Frankly I’d prefer we could just pretend to be civil enough to mostly get along. I’ll tolerate hearing about their billions of years and atheists can tolerate hearing a few prayers.
As opposed to any other religion, which is also convinced that it knows the ultimate truth about the Universe, and has the absolute moral guidance?
Or atheists, who are convinced of their own ultimate truths about the universe (typically chance and evolution) and their own moral guidance (typically self-imposed sense of ethics, civilly imposed sense of law, etc.)?
We’ve degenerated into the stupid situation where simply believing someone is wrong is considered to be the same as intolerantly bashing them over the head. If someone goes on a lengthy tirade about godless atheists who have no morals then yeah, you have a justified reason to call them intolerant. A polite prayer before a meal, however, is absolutely not any justifiable cause for offense.
I’m not against the idea, no. Certainly if a majority of the people didn’t want to have a prayer, then the ones who did should pray silently to themselves or do it in their rooms or some other place before coming to the meal.
If the majority of the people do want to have the prayer, though, a few arrogant killjoys shouldn’t be allowed to prevent everyone else from having it.
If your cartoons had any relevance to the actual situation, they might be more amusing. The vast majority of Christians don’t go around bashing people over the head with their beliefs.
He “could” also do as I already suggested, so your little dilemma over “could” vs. “should” is quite unnecessary.
It’s not even like you’d be forced to sit through it if you don’t want to
just come to the meal just before it starts and after the silly religious nonsense is over with
Now, quit making me repeat myself.
The North Korean government makes an announcement, and it gets reported on Idle.
Well, I can think of worse places for it to be reported, I guess...
I suppose he could, at least until it’s made illegal to pray in public.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
Explain to me how you get, from that, the notion that no federally funded organization would be allowed to have someone pray.
So I guess the solution to it all is to repeal welfare.
It’s not even like you’d be forced to sit through it if you don’t want to.
If you’re really so offended by listening to someone exercise their own religion, just come to the meal just before it starts and after the silly religious nonsense is over with.
Well... he did utter some pretty good ones on the campaign trail, and his Vice President hardly disappoints when it comes to frequency and hilarity of gaffes.
I do, however, agree with your first statement: Blindly accepting everything that anyone says is a mistake.
You are welcome to be silent before your God.
If your religion mandates that EVERYONE ELSE also be silent before God, then you are preventing them from exercising THEIR OWN freedom of religion.
You don’t really think that the most people they’d get to agree on this would be 2 people. You are just being intentionally difficult.
If the largest group who could agree to anything were in fact two out of thirty, then YES, it would be simpler to dispense with it or do it elsewhere.
If you think that public prayer is appropriate then you disagree with what christ taught.
At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure. All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.” — Mt. 11:25-27, Jesus speaking in front of a crowd
And he directed the people to sit down on the grass. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the people. — Mt. 14:19, at which it is recorded 5,000 men were present
Then he took the seven loaves and the fish, and when he had given thanks, he broke them and gave them to the disciples, and they in turn to the people. — Mt. 15:36, at which 4,000 men were present
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you.” — Mt. 26:26-27, with his disciples
About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?”—which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” — Mt. 27:46, Jesus on the cross
Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to his disciples to set before the people. He also divided the two fish among them all. — Mk. 6:41, parallel passage to the feeding of the 5,000 as also recorded in Matthew
He told the crowd to sit down on the ground. When he had taken the seven loaves and given thanks, he broke them and gave them to his disciples to set before the people, and they did so. They had a few small fish as well; he gave thanks for them also and told the disciples to distribute them. — Mk. 8:6-7, parallel passage to the feeding of the 4,000 as also recorded in Matthew
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take it; this is my body.” Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, and they all drank from it. — Mk. 14:22-23, parallel passage of the last supper as also recorded in Matthew
And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?”—which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” — Mk. 15:34, parallel passage of Jesus on the cross as also recorded in Matthew
Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke them. Then he gave them to the disciples to set before the people. — Lk. 9:16, parallel to Matthew and Mark’s gospels
After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you. For I tell you I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.” And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” — Lk. 22:17-19, parallel to Matthew and Mark’s accounts
Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up his clothes by casting lots. — Lk. 23:34, Jesus on the cross
Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his la
And here I always thought that home was your environment: your friends, your family, the community you contribute to and are a part of.
And it is.
Uprooting yourself, invading a country when it is illegal for you to do so, and then planting yourself into a new community does not make that your new home, however, no matter how long you’ve stayed there. Until the law says that it’s legal for you to be living there, you can legally be deported at any time, and that is not your home. Home is a place where you can be confident of the security of your goods and dwelling.