Yes, T-birds use a few watts more power than a P3 on an equivalently clocked chip. However, please don't tell me that 10 watts will make or break your UPS or your air conditioner. Somehow, I have a feeling that that excuse was sold by an Intel salesman. If things were that critical, you would be paying up for flat panel displays in your server room and having fewer lights overhead.
Cobalt has used AMD processors in its server line previously, so this is not the sort of "win" that Dell bringing out a AMD server would represent. The shootout was between the Xeon P3 and the T-bird, so with the fact that there is no love lost between Intel and Sun, not surprising that AMD was chosen. What will be very interesting is what will happen when the 761 chipset comes commercial at the end of Q1. At that point some more serious servers will come into being. While not an 8-way, a 2-way t-bird will do some very serious commercial serving. In addition, the data transfer between the two processors is roughly twice as fast as the Intel chipsets which will allow AMD to further bury Intel in equivalent processor count.
<ramt>
I will be extermely glad when AMD enters this market in a serious way. There has been a less than virtuous circle occuring with Dell/Intel commercial products. Since the company buys Intel servers, it buys Intel desktops (after all, we can only find the talent with the mind of a slime mold to maintain them you know and these people can only maintain one kind of one thing...). Both the desktops and the servers are horridly underpowered and overpriced. Further, while Dell machines are made to be assembled easily, upgrades are an oxymoron. It will be nice when the corporate market understands that it has a real choice. </rant>
<disclosure>
I own and reccomend AMD stock
</disclosure>
There was a bit foolishness going on by Credit Suisse for which they should answer and perhaps even compensate folks. On the IPO, they charged the folks that got the allocation from CS on a "pay to play" basis. You want shares, then you gotta pay us a higher comission than our normal trades with you would command. Since the shares were expected to pop on the IPO, this tarrif was
gladly borne by the institutions buying shares. Straight raw greed, for which there is no excuse. As an underwriter, CS was compensated with shares of VA over and above what it sold to its clients on the IPO. They got greedy for extra nickels. The usual manner that this is done is to allocate shares to clients on an unwritten quid pro quo that says that you will give them a higher commission on other trades and/or share flow. Less tracable, but every bit as dishonest, really.
None of this was probably known or imagined by VA.
I suspect that if the "net stocks" had not crashed and burned, nobody would care. As it is, there is a lively "cottage industry" of lawyers such as the ones filing the case who will invent a class and file an action on pretty much anything after a stock's price has fallen. At the minimum, they expect to extort their legal fees from the company that they are filing against. The members of the class that they represent (please read invent) will get little or nothing. If they take all the time to file the papers necessary to claim their award, they will not make minimum wage. In the meantime, the law firm compensates itself with the majority of the moneies awarded.
<rant>
This practice by legal firms such as this represents perhaps the lowest in the legal profession. While they will tell you with a straight face that they are "representing the little guy", they are in truth only representing themselves.
The old nasty judge said that we were a monoploly. See that nasty, nasty, threatening penquin over there (probably armed no less). That penquin is a real threat to us. really really. Now, see, we have to innovate and beat that nasty, nasty penquin at his own evil, evil game. So pleeze don't break us up. We are really the good guys and that nasty, nasty penquin is the evil evil one.
I'm sure that this thought never crossed the minds of any of our lovely legal minds at M$.
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What you say is quite true and I could not agree more. I have seen a great many things butchered because of the mindset that is used. To make programs work properly with oop and/or databases work properly with relational methods imply thinking of things as the object with a set of qualities, attributes, & etc. first, and then only after that, deciding what they mean. Thinking is a different paradigm than coding (sorry to say) and is not easily taught.
The key is as you say: properly implemented. Too much oop has been implemented by the sorts of folks who will term a database as "almost relational". It takes intelligence and rigor to make sure that the corners are not cut that will reduce your small amount of oop to a very large amount of smoking oops.
At least you have the choice of what you wish to speak. To each their own. It will be a sad day when the American, or English, or German, or French, or... system is totally dominant in the world A competition of systems (from the latin cum petito - to try together) yeilds the best possible result.
And yes, I distrust the government of any country, America or otherwise. It is not paranoia, it is experience and a study of history. Too often the government has been hijacked by special interests (from the whites in the American south anti-bellum to Germany in the 30s) for me to be anything but suspicious of a strong government. Anyway, have a good new year (and/or millenium) mon ami.
Sounds more like Adolph Hitler with his gun control act of 1936 than I care, but ok. If it were not for the US and its "gun fetish" most of Europe would be speaking either Russian or German today and our friends in Australia be speaking Japanese. (Not to diminsh the noble efforts of the British, Canadian, Australian, etc. troops who were as brave and as the best of them). I would commend to you a read of Charles Mackay "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds" published in 1843 before I were to put extreme trust in any government, anywhere.
While the average computer is not hardened against EMP, the average car ir tv isn't either. With the advent of fuel injection on everything, the average car/truck/etc. is totally dependent on a transistor computer module of some sort. An EMP would take those out, rendering transportation available only through vintage aspirated means. Basically, every veicle made since the 1980s would be more or less dead in the water. In addition practically all civilion communications (radio, television, telephone, etc.) would be dead too. Quite an effective means of disabling the populice in an area. They can't move and the can't talk.
Gang, in the 80s it used to be that software had to go through a IVV cycle (independent verification and validation), before you could use it for anything critical. Admittedly, this slowed stuff down, but it had its merits. Even if M$ has the best of intentions and tries the best it can, I don't think I really, really want to bet my ass on their efforts. Do you?
If you read the ebay statements, the most telling thing is their use of then and now. Back then, we had Haggle, etc. etc. to overcome. Thus we were willing to do all kinds of stuff to attract buyers and sellers. Now, we are the big boy on the block and we think that we can bully anyone and everyone.
Sorry friend, but you have a very, very, thin franchise. Branding is important but in the auction game eyeballs are the commodity that you actually sell, You need folks like me who sell the high end stuff on a routine basis (in my case Bibles from the 1500s and 1600s, + other antiquarian books), to drive eyeballs to your site. Otherwise you are going to be nothing but a yardsale for crap. You gotta sell a lot of $10 items to equal a $5000 book, a lot of used 166 Pentiums to equal a new 1.2 Ghz T-bird server system. Piss the heavy sellers off (and in the Bible game there are all of maybe a dozen of us in the states) by being greedy, and an alternative auction is not hard to create. At least one dealer in this area that I know of lists some stuff on ebay with the concept that it will not sell, but that he will drive folks to his site. He reagards the listing fee as an advertising expense. Kick him out because he talks to folks at his site and you have a problem with other sellers. It appears that the biz folks have gotten ahold of this one too. Anybody want to start a site?
As a note, I am having the feeling that ebay is starting to feel a little bit of pain these days anyway. Prices there have dropped low enough (at least in my area) that I don't really even feel like listing. Perhaps it is the novelty of the "name your price" model wearing off, perhaps it is the slowing in the economy, but the action isn't there currently.
Unless you have a monopoly such as exsists with CSS, you will not be able to force this down folks throats. It offers nothing for the user except grief and aggrevation. IS managers will very simply refuse to buy this unless a gun is held to their heads. I am sure that someone will continue to provide the good old type of drive and these will dry up and die the death that they so richly deserve.
This is also the case in Massachusetts. If you purchase something outside of the state (via the net, via mail, in person, or whatever) you are legally obliged to pay a "use tax" that is equivalent to the local sales tax in MA when it comes across the state border. Enforcement is non-existant except for companies. In those cases the recovery is large enough and the purchases well enough documented (for other tax purposes) that it is worthwhile for the MA to take a bunch of accountants and squeeze folks for it. Still I get fried that the other states want me to be their enforcement mechanism when I don't live in their states and derive any benefit from the taxes that they will collect. If they have laws like MA and TX, then they should go after their own citizens.
I have never known the "state" (be it the federal gov't, the state gov't or the local gov't) to not want to opt in on people's wallet. While there may be some real rationale in taxation at the source of a transaction, since the seller theoretically enjoys the benefit of the services derived from their tax dollar, taxation at the full rate is excessive. At most, the state should be taxing at 50% of their normal rate since only one of the parties lives within their state. Anyway, this sort of stuff has always been an effort on the part of the state to demand that I be their unpaid tax collector. While I do not mind "doing my part" as my contribution to the common weal, it is getting to the point where I am having to devote large amounts of space and time to compliance, Enough already!
Anyhoo, there is a jurisdicitional issue here. Where am I located? At my ISP, at my house, where?
I have and will pay local sales taxes to my local state of residence on sales I make of taxable items to within my state, but gang, this is an open invatation to a massive non-compliance by many, many of the smaller dealers...
Given the smaller and smaller transitors, I have always wondered what the effect of ionizing radiation is on these things. Granted, your average cpu is not out in outer space someplace, but even your everyday enviroment has its share of crud running around (Xenon from granite ferinst). Are we going to have to be careful about protecting these tinie weenie gates that use using very, very few electrons, or are we going to have to build error detecting/correcting logic into the cpu itself?
there once was a troll on slashdot
who thought his fingers were real hot
of his rapidity he did boast
the moderators said "you're toast"
and someone said "l33t you're not".
there once was a troll that did post
of his university he did boast
he said there they spell
much better as well
but the moderators made his karma burnt toast
he who cant spell a word three different ways lacks imagination.
One way to get folks to pay attention is for some of the larger ISPs to block further up the line. If Mediaone (now AT&T Broadband) were to block all mail traffic from MSN, it would certainly catch someone's attention and make them clean up their shop real, real fast. For me to trash all MSN mail would perhaps work for me (I indeed do trash entire domains privately), but not do anything to reduce the core problem that MSN is spam friendly. Companies likes da back and if they start losing paying customers because they are skunk striped due to some spammers he has welcomed, those spammers will get the heave ho real fast.
There is enterprise and there is enterprise. If you are Ford or Merk or some similar, even Billy will dance the jig for you. Money talks. Try to get the support you just mentioned if you are a 25 person enterprise or a 10 person enterprise. My usual experience is that you will get the go fly a kite response and be passed down to someone who can barely find the rest room on their best days. Supportability is a valid issue, but after running computers since the days of vacuum tubes, just putting up a good front isn't support, its dishonesty.
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Yes, T-birds use a few watts more power than a P3 on an equivalently clocked chip. However, please don't tell me that 10 watts will make or break your UPS or your air conditioner. Somehow, I have a feeling that that excuse was sold by an Intel salesman. If things were that critical, you would be paying up for flat panel displays in your server room and having fewer lights overhead.
<ramt>
I will be extermely glad when AMD enters this market in a serious way. There has been a less than virtuous circle occuring with Dell/Intel commercial products. Since the company buys Intel servers, it buys Intel desktops (after all, we can only find the talent with the mind of a slime mold to maintain them you know and these people can only maintain one kind of one thing...). Both the desktops and the servers are horridly underpowered and overpriced. Further, while Dell machines are made to be assembled easily, upgrades are an oxymoron. It will be nice when the corporate market understands that it has a real choice.
</rant>
<disclosure>
I own and reccomend AMD stock
</disclosure>
None of this was probably known or imagined by VA. I suspect that if the "net stocks" had not crashed and burned, nobody would care. As it is, there is a lively "cottage industry" of lawyers such as the ones filing the case who will invent a class and file an action on pretty much anything after a stock's price has fallen. At the minimum, they expect to extort their legal fees from the company that they are filing against. The members of the class that they represent (please read invent) will get little or nothing. If they take all the time to file the papers necessary to claim their award, they will not make minimum wage. In the meantime, the law firm compensates itself with the majority of the moneies awarded.
<rant>
This practice by legal firms such as this represents perhaps the lowest in the legal profession. While they will tell you with a straight face that they are "representing the little guy", they are in truth only representing themselves.
disclosure: I own no VA stock
</rant>
I'm sure that this thought never crossed the minds of any of our lovely legal minds at M$.
to the blue screen of death...
What you say is quite true and I could not agree more. I have seen a great many things butchered because of the mindset that is used. To make programs work properly with oop and/or databases work properly with relational methods imply thinking of things as the object with a set of qualities, attributes, & etc. first, and then only after that, deciding what they mean. Thinking is a different paradigm than coding (sorry to say) and is not easily taught.
The key is as you say: properly implemented. Too much oop has been implemented by the sorts of folks who will term a database as "almost relational". It takes intelligence and rigor to make sure that the corners are not cut that will reduce your small amount of oop to a very large amount of smoking oops.
At least you have the choice of what you wish to speak. To each their own. It will be a sad day when the American, or English, or German, or French, or... system is totally dominant in the world A competition of systems (from the latin cum petito - to try together) yeilds the best possible result. And yes, I distrust the government of any country, America or otherwise. It is not paranoia, it is experience and a study of history. Too often the government has been hijacked by special interests (from the whites in the American south anti-bellum to Germany in the 30s) for me to be anything but suspicious of a strong government. Anyway, have a good new year (and/or millenium) mon ami.
Actually the fallback in florida is to have them accosted by Boise and several billion chad counters.
Sounds more like Adolph Hitler with his gun control act of 1936 than I care, but ok. If it were not for the US and its "gun fetish" most of Europe would be speaking either Russian or German today and our friends in Australia be speaking Japanese. (Not to diminsh the noble efforts of the British, Canadian, Australian, etc. troops who were as brave and as the best of them). I would commend to you a read of Charles Mackay "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds" published in 1843 before I were to put extreme trust in any government, anywhere.
And when it isn't peacetime (according to which authority) who rings the bell?
While the average computer is not hardened against EMP, the average car ir tv isn't either. With the advent of fuel injection on everything, the average car/truck/etc. is totally dependent on a transistor computer module of some sort. An EMP would take those out, rendering transportation available only through vintage aspirated means. Basically, every veicle made since the 1980s would be more or less dead in the water. In addition practically all civilion communications (radio, television, telephone, etc.) would be dead too. Quite an effective means of disabling the populice in an area. They can't move and the can't talk.
Gang, in the 80s it used to be that software had to go through a IVV cycle (independent verification and validation), before you could use it for anything critical. Admittedly, this slowed stuff down, but it had its merits. Even if M$ has the best of intentions and tries the best it can, I don't think I really, really want to bet my ass on their efforts. Do you?
As a note, I am having the feeling that ebay is starting to feel a little bit of pain these days anyway. Prices there have dropped low enough (at least in my area) that I don't really even feel like listing. Perhaps it is the novelty of the "name your price" model wearing off, perhaps it is the slowing in the economy, but the action isn't there currently.
Unless you have a monopoly such as exsists with CSS, you will not be able to force this down folks throats. It offers nothing for the user except grief and aggrevation. IS managers will very simply refuse to buy this unless a gun is held to their heads. I am sure that someone will continue to provide the good old type of drive and these will dry up and die the death that they so richly deserve.
This is also the case in Massachusetts. If you purchase something outside of the state (via the net, via mail, in person, or whatever) you are legally obliged to pay a "use tax" that is equivalent to the local sales tax in MA when it comes across the state border. Enforcement is non-existant except for companies. In those cases the recovery is large enough and the purchases well enough documented (for other tax purposes) that it is worthwhile for the MA to take a bunch of accountants and squeeze folks for it. Still I get fried that the other states want me to be their enforcement mechanism when I don't live in their states and derive any benefit from the taxes that they will collect. If they have laws like MA and TX, then they should go after their own citizens.
Anyhoo, there is a jurisdicitional issue here. Where am I located? At my ISP, at my house, where? I have and will pay local sales taxes to my local state of residence on sales I make of taxable items to within my state, but gang, this is an open invatation to a massive non-compliance by many, many of the smaller dealers...
Good grief! That means that you could implement this in my favorite language Brainfuck. []!
Given the smaller and smaller transitors, I have always wondered what the effect of ionizing radiation is on these things. Granted, your average cpu is not out in outer space someplace, but even your everyday enviroment has its share of crud running around (Xenon from granite ferinst). Are we going to have to be careful about protecting these tinie weenie gates that use using very, very few electrons, or are we going to have to build error detecting/correcting logic into the cpu itself?
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to you we will all say gooddbye
some students are trolls
some are assholes
and some shoudn't even give it a try
with apologies to the better students at that institution, but i couldn't resist.
there once was a troll on slashdot
who thought his fingers were real hot
of his rapidity he did boast
the moderators said "you're toast"
and someone said "l33t you're not".
there once was a troll that did post
of his university he did boast
he said there they spell
much better as well
but the moderators made his karma burnt toast
he who cant spell a word three different ways lacks imagination.
One way to get folks to pay attention is for some of the larger ISPs to block further up the line. If Mediaone (now AT&T Broadband) were to block all mail traffic from MSN, it would certainly catch someone's attention and make them clean up their shop real, real fast. For me to trash all MSN mail would perhaps work for me (I indeed do trash entire domains privately), but not do anything to reduce the core problem that MSN is spam friendly. Companies likes da back and if they start losing paying customers because they are skunk striped due to some spammers he has welcomed, those spammers will get the heave ho real fast.
There is enterprise and there is enterprise. If you are Ford or Merk or some similar, even Billy will dance the jig for you. Money talks. Try to get the support you just mentioned if you are a 25 person enterprise or a 10 person enterprise. My usual experience is that you will get the go fly a kite response and be passed down to someone who can barely find the rest room on their best days. Supportability is a valid issue, but after running computers since the days of vacuum tubes, just putting up a good front isn't support, its dishonesty.