And they still have parts of it lying around the hallways. They used a CRT as the memory core, where a pixel / memory cell was lit / unlit.
A true sign of the global-ness of the web. I grew up in Manchester, went to the University of Manchester, married a US Citizen, I now live in the US, go to/. and I end up reading about projects in my old University.
Interbase is an ex-proprietry database solution which is (we hope) becoming open source. It runs under Linux, and Win32. In a recent Linux Care poll it came top of the list of databases for most, if not all areas. It already has a solid userbase including NASA, Boeing, and is even used in the M-1 Abrams Tank.
Granted, the source has not seen the light of day, but 'should' be on its way soon.
Interbase provides a very firm stand point launch the open source development. There is an open source documentation project underway Links: Interbase Homepage Developer Initiative site
'Download one of Zeropaid.com's temptingly named images, and the site logs your time of download, IP address and domain name - and then posts them on a Web site for all to see.'
Also :
'once these networks break up, there is virtually no way for law enforcement to trace the activity.'
Is it me or do those two quotes seem to contradict each other?
Well look at it like this...They can't have cashed out all their stock options, and today is the big day when a load of stock comes out of 6 months lockup of restricted stock. Over the past 6 months, Red Hat employees would evaluating their worth , watching the stock price decline from $150 to 27. Today 45 million shares come out of lockup, I believe, nearly doubling the number of shares out there, effectively halving theif value.
'Since then Red Hat has become a global company, with a very strong balance sheet and $42 million of revenue, and continues to grow rapidly.' However, from their financial statements :
'For the nine months ended 11/30/99, revenues rose 77% to $12.6 million. Net loss applicable to Common totaled $8.9 million vs. an income of $184 thousand. Results reflect an increase in training revenue, offset by increased advertising costs.' Also :
'Recent Earnings AnnouncementFor the 3months ended 02/29/2000, revenues were 13,108; after tax earnings were -24,609. (Preliminary; reported in thousands of dollars.)'
I should also point out that the $184,000 in training income is nothing compared to Bob Youngs 228K Salary.
I would also point out that the only sucessful OS products he mentioned were apache, and sendmail. How long ago were they written?
I think one point missed by all this is that Mozilla is the most widely known project. Regardless of whether Open Source was sucessful in this case, I think one thing should be considered.
Would the Mozilla case study encourage companies to open their otherwise closed source?
I realize there are a number of sucessful projects, but from the point of Mozilla, I'm just playing Devils Advocate
I would more likely suggest that they are trying to scare people away from Napster. The 335K people are not currently being mentioned in the lawsuit.....they could end up there....
As for current users of Napster, they have to consider :
A) Are they in the list?
B) If not, will they get on the list?
C) Either way, will they end up in the lawsuit?
I remember a few years ago, a man on the highway had a briefcase with a lot of money in it, which broke, sending money everywhere. Motorists stopped, and gathered the money, not all returning it to the owner. The police said that they had videotape of people taking off with the money, and if it wasn't returned by X date, they would be prosecuted. Who knows whether they had the tape of not, it pretty much worked..
Herein lies a problem with OSS. The problem is that it is impossible to extend solutions, only to re-implement them.
Take some simple application that runs on the console, and manipulates files. If a hacker had a particular itch to have his files manipulated a certain way, then he would take this source code, add a couple of new parameter switches, and the new functionality was born.
However, now, it is a lot more complex. The projects are larger, and are inheriting more structure from their ancestors. I.e. Konqueror relates more to KDE, Gnome apps are relate more to Gnome, and Mozilla had to go for the cross platform look. Now, its not so much that people fix software to scratch an itch, its because they disagree with the way someone is scratching it.
Granted, Gnome, and KDE need their own file managers/web browsers, but that is more because the two do not have the same standards, and once you have multiple desktop environments, then you have multiple apps for that desktop.
Its no longer suitable to just take mozilla code, and a feature here and there. These applications are way beyond tweaking some file manipulation software. We are talking about hugely feature rich applications, and to add those features, it may be easier to rewrite than do s hoddy job up putting a square peg in a round hole.
I.e. Gnome with Bonobo could provide the ability to implement a HTML render in a spreadsheet (Gnumeric). To do this, you need a HTML renderer, and a spreadsheet. You can either take an existing spreadsheet / renderer, fork the code, and make it bonobo aware, or you can just write your own. The problem with the former solution is that the structure of the software may not make it that easy to be Bonobo aware.
I think the number of applications being written makes things pretty exciting, and I think it will take a couple of attempts to get things right. KDE 2, Gnome 2....as Eric Raymond said, be prepared to throw the first one away.
Its not your place to dictate to Metallica or anyone else how they should run their 'art'?
We have seen in the past week one or two cases where the conditions of GPL license were not upheld. In response the offenders were dragged over hot coals because they did not respect the copyleft agreement.
Now however, Metallic tries to uphold its copyrights on their music, and you are balking at the fact? It seems that we are only concerned about copyright/left when it is to our advantage?
'but they're also putting a big chill on the very notion of free software, open source, and the free movement of information and ideas on the Net'
Ummmmmm, sorry, are you saying that Open Source, and free software is so weak that something that doesn't even directly effect it would crumble it to the ground, or are you overdramatizing for effect? How would this prevent people writing Linux, Gnome or KDE. I don't think free movement of information and ideas on the net could be stretched to cover stealing.
' whether conventional notions of copyright can still work in an environment increasingly influenced by the open-source ethic'
They can 'work' online as much as they can in the real world. The laws haven't changed, its just that the distribution method is much more accessable to anyone. Thats like saying if I could hire a hit-man online, would the laws against murder 'work' within the internet environment. Its not a case of laws 'working' its a case of them being much easier to break online.
My thoughts are that while Metallica may be loaded, they still cannot be denied their legal rights. While it does seem like they are making a fast buck, there is also principle. As for those who would scoff at that idea, think back to GPL violations. There was no 'fast buck' to be made then, only principle. However, I think that attacking Napster is only as good as attacking audio tape, or CDRW manufacturers.
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A true sign of the global-ness of the web. I grew up in Manchester, went to the University of Manchester, married a US Citizen, I now live in the US, go to /. and I end up reading about projects in my old University.
It is a small world...
Interbase is an ex-proprietry database solution which is (we hope) becoming open source. It runs under Linux, and Win32. In a recent Linux Care poll it came top of the list of databases for most, if not all areas. It already has a solid userbase including NASA, Boeing, and is even used in the M-1 Abrams Tank.
Granted, the source has not seen the light of day, but 'should' be on its way soon.
Interbase provides a very firm stand point launch the open source development. There is an open source documentation project underway Links :
Interbase Homepage
Developer Initiative site
'Download one of Zeropaid.com's temptingly named images, and the site logs your time of download, IP address and domain name - and then posts them on a Web site for all to see.'
Also :
'once these networks break up, there is virtually no way for law enforcement to trace the activity.'
Is it me or do those two quotes seem to contradict each other?
'Since then Red Hat has become a global company, with a very strong balance sheet and $42 million of revenue, and continues to grow rapidly.' However, from their financial statements :
'For the nine months ended 11/30/99, revenues rose 77% to $12.6 million. Net loss applicable to Common totaled $8.9 million vs. an income of $184 thousand. Results reflect an increase in training revenue, offset by increased advertising costs.' Also :
'Recent Earnings Announcement For the 3months ended 02/29/2000, revenues were 13,108; after tax earnings were -24,609. (Preliminary; reported in thousands of dollars.)'
I should also point out that the $184,000 in training income is nothing compared to Bob Youngs 228K Salary.
I would also point out that the only sucessful OS products he mentioned were apache, and sendmail. How long ago were they written?
I think one point missed by all this is that Mozilla is the most widely known project. Regardless of whether Open Source was sucessful in this case, I think one thing should be considered.
Would the Mozilla case study encourage companies to open their otherwise closed source?
I realize there are a number of sucessful projects, but from the point of Mozilla, I'm just playing Devils Advocate
As for current users of Napster, they have to consider :
A) Are they in the list?
B) If not, will they get on the list?
C) Either way, will they end up in the lawsuit?
I remember a few years ago, a man on the highway had a briefcase with a lot of money in it, which broke, sending money everywhere. Motorists stopped, and gathered the money, not all returning it to the owner. The police said that they had videotape of people taking off with the money, and if it wasn't returned by X date, they would be prosecuted. Who knows whether they had the tape of not, it pretty much worked..
Take some simple application that runs on the console, and manipulates files. If a hacker had a particular itch to have his files manipulated a certain way, then he would take this source code, add a couple of new parameter switches, and the new functionality was born.
However, now, it is a lot more complex. The projects are larger, and are inheriting more structure from their ancestors. I.e. Konqueror relates more to KDE, Gnome apps are relate more to Gnome, and Mozilla had to go for the cross platform look. Now, its not so much that people fix software to scratch an itch, its because they disagree with the way someone is scratching it.
Granted, Gnome, and KDE need their own file managers/web browsers, but that is more because the two do not have the same standards, and once you have multiple desktop environments, then you have multiple apps for that desktop.
Its no longer suitable to just take mozilla code, and a feature here and there. These applications are way beyond tweaking some file manipulation software. We are talking about hugely feature rich applications, and to add those features, it may be easier to rewrite than do s hoddy job up putting a square peg in a round hole.
I.e. Gnome with Bonobo could provide the ability to implement a HTML render in a spreadsheet (Gnumeric). To do this, you need a HTML renderer, and a spreadsheet. You can either take an existing spreadsheet / renderer, fork the code, and make it bonobo aware, or you can just write your own. The problem with the former solution is that the structure of the software may not make it that easy to be Bonobo aware.
I think the number of applications being written makes things pretty exciting, and I think it will take a couple of attempts to get things right. KDE 2, Gnome 2....as Eric Raymond said, be prepared to throw the first one away.
Regards,
Andy
Its not your place to dictate to Metallica or anyone else how they should run their 'art'?
We have seen in the past week one or two cases where the conditions of GPL license were not upheld. In response the offenders were dragged over hot coals because they did not respect the copyleft agreement.
Now however, Metallic tries to uphold its copyrights on their music, and you are balking at the fact? It seems that we are only concerned about copyright/left when it is to our advantage?
'but they're also putting a big chill on the very notion of free software, open source, and the free movement of information and ideas on the Net'
Ummmmmm, sorry, are you saying that Open Source, and free software is so weak that something that doesn't even directly effect it would crumble it to the ground, or are you overdramatizing for effect? How would this prevent people writing Linux, Gnome or KDE. I don't think free movement of information and ideas on the net could be stretched to cover stealing.
' whether conventional notions of copyright can still work in an environment increasingly influenced by the open-source ethic'
They can 'work' online as much as they can in the real world. The laws haven't changed, its just that the distribution method is much more accessable to anyone. Thats like saying if I could hire a hit-man online, would the laws against murder 'work' within the internet environment. Its not a case of laws 'working' its a case of them being much easier to break online.
My thoughts are that while Metallica may be loaded, they still cannot be denied their legal rights. While it does seem like they are making a fast buck, there is also principle. As for those who would scoff at that idea, think back to GPL violations. There was no 'fast buck' to be made then, only principle. However, I think that attacking Napster is only as good as attacking audio tape, or CDRW manufacturers.