"Try being an individual if you manage to find the guts. Until then, be comforted by your membership in another group you've not yet recognized, for the population of cowards like you has remained roughly the same."
Doesn't this cover everything? I've heard it said many times that you can be sued for anything.
"Nothing that can get Social-Engineer.org, Defcon, or the participants in the contest sued"
The companies could sue for their feelings being hurt, they could sue for damage to their reputation, they could sue for the wasted time of their employee, they could sue the organizer for being ugly, they could sue for the sky being blue.
Now weather they'd win for some of those things is a different matter.
If you make any false claims at all then it would probably come under wire fraud.
A straightforward "Please tell me your password" probably isn't illegal (IANAL though)
Keep in mind though that false claims would probably include *implied* things as well so even if you speak no word which is not the truth you may still be trying to mislead someone and there's probably laws covering that.
if it's just to learn I'd start by showing them something with as low a barrier to entry as possible- just for the basics. The first language is of course the hardest.
Just to learn the basics like loops, variables, etc etc
On windows that would probably be vbscript(horribly horrible language though it may be) and on a mac or linux it'd be bash. Bash would be my preference since the man pages are also there at your fingertips.
No compilers, no worrying about libraries, no servers, no client connections etc.
Just open it up with a text editor and bang something quick and nasty out and make a lot happen with a small amount of code.
I sat down with a friend of mine for a few hours less than a year ago and showed him how to start coding bash on his mac- nothing more than a few basics like loops, variables, arguments etc but it's always that first little step, to simply knowing that you can create a script like that with nothing more than a text editor which makes everything after come easier.
Since then he's become the "computer guy" at his office- using his moderate coding powers to automate simple and monotonous tasks which waste company time and resources. (in non techie shops there's always plenty of tasks people never even think about automating just because they're not coders)
I'd class Dwarf Fortress as high quality(with the exception of the graphics which are of a standard closer to a 1980's text editor) and that's given away free.
not really. That would be the case if *someone else* like the government owned them(howerver they do after you're dead in many countries for various reasons).
it could be considered similar to being a trustee or guardian of your own body which would neatly cover people being commited to mental hospitals when people are a danger to themselves. You can still have rights under such a system.
Oh ya, people will talk about how it would be deeply wrong to use rape as a punishment and then almost in the same breath talk about sending someone to federal "pound you in the ass" prison.
your *self* and your *body* can be considered distinct.
It could also be considered that *nobody* owns you or can own you, not even yourself.(not my actual view but it's valid)
I would have thought if he's intent on it he could just walk into a hospital specializing in transplants and off himself in some way that wouldn't damage his organs.
Oh SSH etc can protect you from three letter agencies (unless you piss someone off so much that they're willing to prove that they can crack RSA.... assuming they can)but only if you can't trust third parties like signing authorities, you can swap keys with a friend personally and you're as safe as the OS's you're using. (ignoring Van Eck phreaking of course but if you're that scared just build shielding into your home and sleep with the server and your guns)
But as long as you trust a third party who can have their arms twisted your communications can be intercepted.
Absolutely, I have no right to copy their games. I should however have every right to use my hardware however I want, be it to crack it open and use the chips as paperweights or install software to play video on it.
people seem to think that the NSA needs supercomputers to crack your encrypted connections.
Why bother when they can just sent a nice polite letter to google(or any other company) telling them to hand over their private key(and also forbidding google from telling anyone about it).
then they can intercept and snoop anything they like.
the difference of course is that the cost of uranium is a trivial factor when it comes to nuclear power. The plants are expensive, the fuel could double, triple etc in price and it would barely be noticed next to the cost of the plant.
coal plants are the same- they require cooling and cause water vapour to be released. Solar thermal, ditto, it needs a lot of water to run. Pretty much any power plant which uses steam turbines has that drawback.
uranium isn't going to run out any time soon.
Water is the big greenhouse gas but the amount humans cause to be released vs natural evaporation from the oceans is trivial, methane, CO2 and other well known greenhouse gasses on the other hand are vastly more potent and we release a lot of them.
A lovely sounding line but try actually doing the math.
Unless you have a superconducting grid you lose massive amounts of power in transmission over long distances. Try powering something off panels thirteen thousand miles away and you'll lose most of the energy in the lines.
And if they do build a superconducting grid the issue becomes that of keeping thirteen thousand miles of superconducting cable cools to the temperature of liquid nitrogen. If your cable goes underwater in the sea you'll lose a shitload of energy. (magnetic field, conductor etc)
And don't forget that these superconducting grids will be dangerous as hell, if you're pushing enough current through a cable to power north america and any part of the cooling system fails the resistance goes from zero to anything non-zero and your superconducting cable explodes extremely violently.
It's always day somewhere. unfortunately sometimes that place is in the middle of the pacific and your hundreds of thousands of square miles of solar panels along with the explosive cables would have to be on rafts capable of surviving whatever tropical storms come their way.
I imagine the legal department does do a certain amount of reviewing of current patents but have it set up so that they can prove that only lawyers -nobody who has any part in designing anything- ever looks at a patent.
That was one reason why I didn't like my universities philosoph society.
From my point of view it was like watching children argue.
Even compared to the shittiest internet debates it was pitiful, people would throw out a string of bad points and then carry the crowd because only the last one would get challenged. People would throw out obvious fallacies and appeals to emotion without challenge.
And yet people would talk about how high quality the philosoph debated supposedly were.
Debates like that, in front of a crowd with only a few people talking and no clear record of what's being said and no time for people to formulate effective arguments against bad points do nothing to find truth, they merely let you know who is better at composing poetic pros on the fly.
It doesn't matter if 90% other people use bit-torrent to download ROMs, the latest crappy films or porn. It doesn't matter if 90% other people use r4 cards for ROMs.
If I am doing no such thing you have no right to stop me going about my legal business just because you're too impotent to deal with those other guys without fucking around with what I have every right to do.
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"Try being an individual if you manage to find the guts. Until then, be comforted by your membership in another group you've not yet recognized, for the population of cowards like you has remained roughly the same."
says an Anonymous Coward.
Doesn't this cover everything?
I've heard it said many times that you can be sued for anything.
"Nothing that can get Social-Engineer.org, Defcon, or the participants in the contest sued"
The companies could sue for their feelings being hurt, they could sue for damage to their reputation, they could sue for the wasted time of their employee, they could sue the organizer for being ugly, they could sue for the sky being blue.
Now weather they'd win for some of those things is a different matter.
Wow, the population of grim humourless dicks on slashdot seems to have expanded considerably these last few months.
If you make any false claims at all then it would probably come under wire fraud.
A straightforward "Please tell me your password" probably isn't illegal (IANAL though)
Keep in mind though that false claims would probably include *implied* things as well so even if you speak no word which is not the truth you may still be trying to mislead someone and there's probably laws covering that.
if it's just to learn I'd start by showing them something with as low a barrier to entry as possible- just for the basics.
The first language is of course the hardest.
Just to learn the basics like loops, variables, etc etc
On windows that would probably be vbscript(horribly horrible language though it may be) and on a mac or linux it'd be bash.
Bash would be my preference since the man pages are also there at your fingertips.
No compilers, no worrying about libraries, no servers, no client connections etc.
Just open it up with a text editor and bang something quick and nasty out and make a lot happen with a small amount of code.
I sat down with a friend of mine for a few hours less than a year ago and showed him how to start coding bash on his mac- nothing more than a few basics like loops, variables, arguments etc but it's always that first little step, to simply knowing that you can create a script like that with nothing more than a text editor which makes everything after come easier.
Since then he's become the "computer guy" at his office- using his moderate coding powers to automate simple and monotonous tasks which waste company time and resources. (in non techie shops there's always plenty of tasks people never even think about automating just because they're not coders)
you mean the rafts.... surrounded by thousands of other rafts... which need power cables between the and to the shore?
I'd class Dwarf Fortress as high quality(with the exception of the graphics which are of a standard closer to a 1980's text editor) and that's given away free.
which is great if you live on or near the equator.
Not so great for anyone else.
It's such a pity to see money and effort wasted on solar plants built insanely far north.
well the graveyard parts of the world anyway...
not really.
That would be the case if *someone else* like the government owned them(howerver they do after you're dead in many countries for various reasons).
it could be considered similar to being a trustee or guardian of your own body which would neatly cover people being commited to mental hospitals when people are a danger to themselves.
You can still have rights under such a system.
They're not dangerous, they just get themselves killed alot, very different.
And the world is full of motorcyclists who don't armour up.
n) watch as some of your infections destabalise critical systems and cause damage or deaths.
"Phone home with info to create the worlds largest DB of infections and update all other machines to prevent same infection"
How exactly would your network recognise a virus you didn't already know about?
that problem is in the same realm as the halting problem.
some botnets do in fact install cracked and patched AV systems to clean their competitors off the systems they infect.
Oh ya, people will talk about how it would be deeply wrong to use rape as a punishment and then almost in the same breath talk about sending someone to federal "pound you in the ass" prison.
your *self* and your *body* can be considered distinct.
It could also be considered that *nobody* owns you or can own you, not even yourself.(not my actual view but it's valid)
I would have thought if he's intent on it he could just walk into a hospital specializing in transplants and off himself in some way that wouldn't damage his organs.
Or just ride around on a motorcycle.
Oh SSH etc can protect you from three letter agencies (unless you piss someone off so much that they're willing to prove that they can crack RSA.... assuming they can)but only if you can't trust third parties like signing authorities, you can swap keys with a friend personally and you're as safe as the OS's you're using.
(ignoring Van Eck phreaking of course but if you're that scared just build shielding into your home and sleep with the server and your guns)
But as long as you trust a third party who can have their arms twisted your communications can be intercepted.
Absolutely, I have no right to copy their games.
I should however have every right to use my hardware however I want, be it to crack it open and use the chips as paperweights or install software to play video on it.
people seem to think that the NSA needs supercomputers to crack your encrypted connections.
Why bother when they can just sent a nice polite letter to google(or any other company) telling them to hand over their private key(and also forbidding google from telling anyone about it).
then they can intercept and snoop anything they like.
the difference of course is that the cost of uranium is a trivial factor when it comes to nuclear power.
The plants are expensive, the fuel could double, triple etc in price and it would barely be noticed next to the cost of the plant.
coal plants are the same- they require cooling and cause water vapour to be released.
Solar thermal, ditto, it needs a lot of water to run.
Pretty much any power plant which uses steam turbines has that drawback.
uranium isn't going to run out any time soon.
Water is the big greenhouse gas but the amount humans cause to be released vs natural evaporation from the oceans is trivial, methane, CO2 and other well known greenhouse gasses on the other hand are vastly more potent and we release a lot of them.
"There is always day somewhere."
A lovely sounding line but try actually doing the math.
Unless you have a superconducting grid you lose massive amounts of power in transmission over long distances.
Try powering something off panels thirteen thousand miles away and you'll lose most of the energy in the lines.
And if they do build a superconducting grid the issue becomes that of keeping thirteen thousand miles of superconducting cable cools to the temperature of liquid nitrogen.
If your cable goes underwater in the sea you'll lose a shitload of energy. (magnetic field, conductor etc)
And don't forget that these superconducting grids will be dangerous as hell, if you're pushing enough current through a cable to power north america and any part of the cooling system fails the resistance goes from zero to anything non-zero and your superconducting cable explodes extremely violently.
It's always day somewhere.
unfortunately sometimes that place is in the middle of the pacific and your hundreds of thousands of square miles of solar panels along with the explosive cables would have to be on rafts capable of surviving whatever tropical storms come their way.
You lose a huge amount of the energy when you convert from electricity to potential and then back to electric.
I imagine the legal department does do a certain amount of reviewing of current patents but have it set up so that they can prove that only lawyers -nobody who has any part in designing anything- ever looks at a patent.
That was one reason why I didn't like my universities philosoph society.
From my point of view it was like watching children argue.
Even compared to the shittiest internet debates it was pitiful, people would throw out a string of bad points and then carry the crowd because only the last one would get challenged.
People would throw out obvious fallacies and appeals to emotion without challenge.
And yet people would talk about how high quality the philosoph debated supposedly were.
Debates like that, in front of a crowd with only a few people talking and no clear record of what's being said and no time for people to formulate effective arguments against bad points do nothing to find truth, they merely let you know who is better at composing poetic pros on the fly.
It doesn't matter if 90% other people use bit-torrent to download ROMs, the latest crappy films or porn.
It doesn't matter if 90% other people use r4 cards for ROMs.
If I am doing no such thing you have no right to stop me going about my legal business just because you're too impotent to deal with those other guys without fucking around with what I have every right to do.
I'd be interested in a link to that story. Sounds interesting.