dear little rasterboy, mark my words and mark them well: my first./ account was four digit. as i never write passwords down I tend to forget them after a while. but believe me, you and your fanbois will hear again from me. and now please go back beating your dead horse. and no, GNOME did not "kick" you out. you are right on this. but they simply decided you are such a pr*ck that it is better to go on with somebody else's windowmanager. period.
It's interesting that my *point* was that the software is unfinished, and known to be unfinished, and your response was to point out to me where the software doesn't support the *hardware* you're claiming the Freerunner doesn't have. The point being is that there *is* already a hardware, namely the Neo1973 and nobody has ever really used it as a phone. The same goes now for the next iteration. Due to the change to ASU nobody really tested it. IMHO the GTK apps were quite usable but let me give you one example: you can't send SMS with more than 140 characters. It just silently fails (this is software, not hardware). If the Openmoko developers had ever used it as their daily phone than this bug had been fixed in 48h. Same goes for the headset: the GSM modem radiates into it and on the callee will hear loud GSM noise. Again nobody ever tried it. Same goes for the GPS. And for the Neo1973 still after half a year nobody found the time to recompile it to get rid of the braindead, flash space wasting chroot. Not to speak of this ridiculous EULA. Show me any GPS where you first have to download a driver from the web in order to make it work.
I'm pretty sure I would have heard about that battery issue. I have heard the opposite of what you're claiming, though - reports were that the Freerunner in suspend mode (which WILL wake on calls; it's really like what a normal cell phone does after X minutes of inactivity) lived for > 24 hours, and looked like it would work for a week based on battery levels. If you are bitten by this: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024 then it will eat battery even while suspended.
And AGPS does bring the TTFF down to 5 minutes, but only if you are located in perfect conditions.
In fact I would like the project to succeed. But it seems the focus is only on reinventing the wheel with ASU. Many many developers have angrily left.
I know internal tests have indicated a week of battery life is possible when the Freerunner is suspended. Yes, you are right. If I take the battery out it will last for weeks even. But I have *four* Neos and three of them go to nirvana after two hours. Being suspended. But talking every minute to the cell tower. Chief Software Architect Dr. Michael Lauer called it a "Heisenbug"(just search the bugzilla). Ah. okay.
I'm pretty sure you're using a Nokia compatible headset instead of the Motorola compatible one that the FR plug actually matches. Thanks god for your telepathic analysis. In case that Openmoko shipped their phone with Nokia headsets you are right. But let me tell you that Nokia never ever would ship saw such cheap crap as these headphones. For 1$ you get better stuff on ebay. But hey wurpy-fanboi, just shell out your money.
The neo supports *full* bluetooth What is that fscking good for if the X server doesn't support/dev/input/event5 ? Dear wurpy-fanboi, maybe you should just start X and see that on stderr it says that this is not implemented? Geez fscking Christ, in November 2006 Master Mosko-Pultz said they are delivering in March 2007 and now I have to start programming kinput.c in the X-.server to get an external keyboard to run? Man, what are you smoking? Bluetooth is uselees if the drivers don't support it!
There are known graphics issues, which will probably only allow video playback of mpeg4 format in 320x200 at reasonable (20+) framerates. I haven't heard of general issues with normal GUI use. Just search the bugzilla (or now trac) for the CTO's (Wolfgang Spraul) comments. They are trying to *remove* it in order to extend the product life-cycle. And let me tell you: despite 50% more CPU power it is only half as fast as the Neo1973.
That GPS fix time was an issue early on, and still isn't as good as it could be, but I thought the production Freerunners had
The last discussion on the mailing list was just a few days ago and the conclusion is that TTFF is >10min. It is 8 min under perfect conditions (on a hill and blue sky) and 20 minutes in a city - and only if you don't move at all. Oh, and you can't connect an external antenna due to missing shielding.
I chat with Mickey Laurer and Raster (and other OpenMoko developers) fairly often on freenode #openmoko, and I have yet to hear anyone issue anything other than the normal low-grade grousing that you'll hear about anyone. No comment on Dr. fresh from Ivory Tower without industry experience Michael Lauer
The ASU is currently a piece of crap, and is mostly reinventing the wheel from the mostly working GTK release. Don't use it; use Qtopia for now. Duuhh? GTK was mostly working as you admit. The industry (Garmin, Moblin, Limo, Texas Instruments, Intel, Ubuntu, Firefox, Openoffice, Motorola,... everybody going GTK) you tell me to switch to Qtopia???
Okay, thank you for your fanboi insight's. There are 1500 more of your kind on the mailing list. But last not least: how many developers have jumped your train? The answer is: zero. Nada. Even a developer who worked for Openmoko said on his blog -ironically being spread via planet.openmoko.org- he would never buy it.
Now go and spend your fanboi money if you really have to.
>>Bluetooth: 2.0 / 2.0
Just to clarify that it means nothing to have a bluetooth 2.0 in iphone as it doesn't support any useful profile except mono handsfree.
I would define it as:
Bluetooth: 2.0 / 2.0 Crippled Edition As the Neo not even supports mono handsfree and doesn't even support external keyboards I would define it as:
As I already have a Freerunner, here are my experiences:
old TI GSM modem, recamping once a minute(!) to the mobile station, eating battery like crazy and very unreliable. A TI engineer asked me if they (openmoko) got the chips for free, as they are so ancient - no EDGE, GPRS w/ 2KB/s. Openmoko is likely the last buyer.
audio quailty on the headphone is lousy due to a hardware bug - as mp3 player useless
headphone only mono. i.e. only one side works
headphone unusable for making phone calls due to EM-interferences
no bluetooth headset support
no bluetooth keyboard support (dropped since last version)
graphics sluggish and even slower than Neo 1973 despite 2D accel chip
GPS has >10 minutes TTFF - yes, in 2008 where every cheapo GPS gets a fix in 45secs
developer community alienated by Lauer & Co. GNOME knew why they kicked Rasterman out.
so called ASU software is pre-alpha and reinventing the wheel once again
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dear little rasterboy, mark my words and mark them well: my first ./ account was four digit. as i never write passwords down I tend to forget them after a while. but believe me, you and your fanbois will hear again from me. and now please go back beating your dead horse. and no, GNOME did not "kick" you out. you are right on this. but they simply decided you are such a pr*ck that it is better to go on with somebody else's windowmanager. period.
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1024
then it will eat battery even while suspended.
And AGPS does bring the TTFF down to 5 minutes, but only if you are located in perfect conditions.
In fact I would like the project to succeed. But it seems the focus is only on reinventing the wheel with ASU. Many many developers have angrily left.
Okay, fanbois just called in to mod the post down:
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-June/019880.html
Okay, thank you for your fanboi insight's. There are 1500 more of your kind on the mailing list. But last not least: how many developers have jumped your train? The answer is: zero. Nada. Even a developer who worked for Openmoko said on his blog -ironically being spread via planet.openmoko.org- he would never buy it.
Now go and spend your fanboi money if you really have to.
Bluetooth: 2.0 / 2.0 Crippled Edition As the Neo not even supports mono handsfree and doesn't even support external keyboards I would define it as:
Bluetooth: 2.0 Completely Crippled Edition/ 2.0 Crippled Edition
- old TI GSM modem, recamping once a minute(!) to the mobile station, eating battery like crazy and very unreliable. A TI engineer asked me if they (openmoko) got the chips for free, as they are so ancient - no EDGE, GPRS w/ 2KB/s. Openmoko is likely the last buyer.
- audio quailty on the headphone is lousy due to a hardware bug - as mp3 player useless
- headphone only mono. i.e. only one side works
- headphone unusable for making phone calls due to EM-interferences
- no bluetooth headset support
- no bluetooth keyboard support (dropped since last version)
- graphics sluggish and even slower than Neo 1973 despite 2D accel chip
- GPS has >10 minutes TTFF - yes, in 2008 where every cheapo GPS gets a fix in 45secs
- developer community alienated by Lauer & Co. GNOME knew why they kicked Rasterman out.
- so called ASU software is pre-alpha and reinventing the wheel once again
Unless your company pays for it, don't buy it.