Re:Its about time they took a second look at LINUX
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Ummm.... Let's see those photoshop benchmarks under linux. Oh wait. There aren't any. How does a fully decked out Linux machine fare against a fully decked out Sun machine when running Oracle? Linux might have won one benchmark, but the fastest OS title still isn't held by anyone one OS. It all depends on what you're using it for...
And, isn't TUX the kernel level webserver, if i'm not mistaken? So, on equally configured systems, the kernel managed to dish out 200 more pages than Win2000/IIS5, even though Win2000 also has the overhead of a full GUI as well?
Benchmarks are far from conclusive, especially when you point to one in particluar and proclaim the winner of that one the best overall.
Funny though, i think i just responded to a troll...
I'm definetly in favor of naming software versions after the release date, rather than any other scheme... Versioning has become useless, as linux companies indiscriminantly add numbers to their releases just to keep up with the other companies, or when Solaris goes from 2.6 to 7 in one revision.
It fails to make any sense. Let's just have Linux 12/2000 (2.4), Windows 8/2001 (2000 SP4, probably), and be done with it.
i think i've read that 85% or 90% percent of metropolitan area's in the US are all under private video surveilance... The informations out there, it's just not all in the hands of one group, but with a simple subpeona, it could be...
I believe that's what i was trying to say. That the only reason to ask for an EPS version of the logo is for the resolution independant version, because if they just want a pixel based version, they can turn a TIFF into any other format they'ed like... Asking for an EPS makes it sound like they definetly don't want a bitmapped only logo.
I guess i wasn't clear in that ramble... Sorry, but it's sunday early afternoon and i'm not functioning yet
A TIFF is just as easy to print as an EPS given the right programs... And they can take a TIFF and convert it to a bitmapped EPS on their end with zero effort (File->Save As). Given those, the only reason to ask for an EPS version is because they want a scalable, resolution independant version of their logo. And that's not asking for much... Who knows, maybe they'll get really big one day and want their logo plastered on the side of a bus. If all they have for logo's is a 1280x400 pixel version, they're basically out of luck...
Well, i've never actually opened an EPS created in Illustrator in a text editor, but i'd guess that since it's plain text, there may be some headers or mention of Adobe and/or Illustrator and/or plugin's in use... So if someone just spends a day grepping all the submissions for those, they could stand to kick out a lot of those submissions, should they arrive....
Yes they can, simply because Linux is not being put forth as a graphic design platform. It's not like finding.asp's at apache.org. Or finding VC++ headers in the kernel. Linux right now, is geared at the server market, the developers market, the terminal market (i don't know if that's the right word... but POS systems, etc) and the power user market. If there's a serious effort to make a linux distro into a graphic design platform, it's evaded the radar quite successfully...
Give it up. If they want a logo, they should ask for a logo. Give specifications on what they'ed liek to receive in the end, which they did - an EPS and a TIFF. And then let the designers do it however they'ed like. They're already getting a great deal in that they're getting a free logo. Corporate branding is a very lucrative business, don't forget.
Right... Before the tools they needed were available on their platforms, Intel routinely used macs to create things like flythroughs in their original Pentium TV ads. Dell and Microsoft had no qualms about using Macs to create and submit ads, since QuarkXPress wasn't originally available for Windows, and even today, you still run the risk of getting charged hefty service charges from printers for submitting a file from a Windows based application.
It's all about the best tool for the job, and LSB is making sure that no one will use the best tools available. Do they want a nice logo? Or do they want a perfectly cheesy attempt at one?
GIMP is nice for making web graphics, but to make a logo for a real company where it'll be viewed in a huge variety of ways (web vs. print) and sizes, you really need to be using a vector based program such as illustrator or freehand. IF only because #1 they produce resolution independant graphics, and #2, my biggest issue with the GIMP, they support CMYK color space and other niceties such as the Pantone color system.
You can make really nice logo's with just black, white (the paper color) and a Pantone color, and they're cheap to produce, since when you go to print, you're only doing 2 colors. Without letting people use such tools as Panton, LSB's going to have to make sure that the only time their logo appears is if it's in a 4 color (CMYK) spot, which costs much more money...
But the biggest thing by far is that of vector graphics. I've hated getting TIFF versions of logo's that some college student produced for a company once, only to go back to the company asking if they've got an EPS version, because the TIFF version is not the right size, and then having to explain that i'll basically have to recreate their logo for them in a vector based program because of that...
Errmmmm... How come cell phone companies have been attempting to coverup every study that mentions brain cancer and mobile phone in the same article? I don't think there's anyway you can really say that sending high frequency waves through our bodies is actually a healthy thing to be doing...
So? Like everything else, the hardware in professionally available video editting systems (Read: Avid, Media 100's, et al) is generally a few years ahead of what's available in the consumer market. Likewise the sound boards used by audio edittors is a few years ahead of what's available to consumers (read Soundblasters). The list goes on and on. The consumer market is driven by commodities. The professional markets make use of different technologies before they become commoditized. Why should it even be shocking that the NSA operates in the same manner?
I don't think that in the end, any current US TV watcher has much choice. The gov't is mandating a change over to digital/HDTV broadcasts in order to free up the part of the spectrum currently used by broadcasters.
I don't believe i'm responding to a Beowulf posting, but here goes: So far as my understanding is, Beowolf is basically a set of API's that reside above the kernel to allow for programs to use resources on other machines. Correct so far? I"m just curious if there actually is a Beowolf capable/aware webserver available?
What does it matter to you what hardware the server you connect to uses to send you files? Honestly and rationally? I could understand a backlash if say slashdot switched to these systems and all of a sudden they were inaccessible for weeks on end, but nothing like that has happened... Seems like you're judging a site by it's hardware configuration rather than it's content, which just seems incredibly backwards tom me. What next, will you refuse business to any company that has an MSCE anywhere on their payroll?
Wouldn't the vast majority of it have disintegrated prior to reaching the ocean? I'm guessing you'll get to see a ball of fire way overhead, only to see it peter out of existance way before i'd ever hit the ocean...
Regardless of standards and what not, i for one am quite pleased that that as it stands, it's considered to be indecent exposure for a grown man to expose himself to a child. Are you implying that that behavior should be okay, so long as no physical harm occurs? I'm glad that news reporters can indeed get in trouble if they fabricate a story about someone and try to pass it to the public as being truth. Again, no one was physically hurt, so should that be okay? And, say you were a woman, would you really be better off if you had no recourse against the man that may be following you everywhere you go, sending you letters, and calling you in the middle of the night?
I was just at the Liberterian Party's website earlier on today for a completely unrelated purpose, but i'm of the belief that either your misinterpretting their message if you believe the above behaviors should be condoned and accepted, or else the party itself is rather baseless... I'm not believing the latter, so please review your stances...
Actual real physical harm. If someone makes me cry or offends my moral code, I have no right to call upon my government to protect me, because I have not been physically harmed and neither has my property.
Verbal assault, libel, slander, lewd/indecent behavior, stalking, usery for starters, are "crimes", which in and of themselves cause no physical consequence. Yes, some of them are associated with other crimes as well. Protections given by law are not, and i don't think they ever were, meant to be solely of a physical nature. They're their to promote and in effect attempt to enforce responsible actions. In a world of 6 billion people, or a country of 260 million, or a city of 5 million, or even a town of 250, there need to be rules in effect to make sure people are safe in not only a physical nature, but in a mental state as well... And as a species, we're just not responsible enough to live without rules and standards for decency. Yes, they vary from locale to locale, but we all have certain codes of conduct that are generally abided by in each given community.
Maybe VA Linux should have chosen a different trading symbol than "LNUX"... why not "VALX" or something... Because a lot of "investors" out there aren't reading up on the companies involved, just the ticker symbols. Well, maybe these days they do, since it's not the easy money days it was a few years back...
Remember LinuxOne and the uproar they cuased when they announced theye were planning to be traded under "LINX", yet everyone looked the other way when VA linux traded as "LNUX"
ANyways. THe press release is probably reading "Linux" simply due to confusion over the symbols and nothing more than that.
It's a little late in the game to be considering that... after all... the value of LNUX is around 3% or 4% of the value it was at the end of it's first day of trading. It'd be one thing if it were only down 25% and you were accusing them of announcing this suit to satisfy their shorts, but they're down 96%... there isn't much more to be made shorting that stock.
Just curious, why did you spend the extra $100 for the full version when all you needed ws the $89 upgrade? Seems like a waste however you look at it...
What do you mean, the laptop requires two copies of windows to function, somehow? Or are you saying that since you bought a desktop which came with windows, you don't think you should have to pay for another copy to run on the laptop separately?:)
It's like a car... you can't swap your tires between your SUV and motorcycle. Or just maintain one set of seats and put them in a different car each day depending on which one you want to drive. Or you could, but i'm sure you wouldn't...
OEM copies will probably be immune to those installation hassles, since they probably won't include a CD besides one of their restore CD's... Even if the OEM version of the OS has those hooks, MSFT will probably issue a utility that speeds up the process, somehow.
They're just trying to make sure that its' more difficult to buy a retail or upgrade version of the OS and redistribute copies of it...
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As if that doesn't happen already.
Ummm.... Let's see those photoshop benchmarks under linux. Oh wait. There aren't any. How does a fully decked out Linux machine fare against a fully decked out Sun machine when running Oracle? Linux might have won one benchmark, but the fastest OS title still isn't held by anyone one OS. It all depends on what you're using it for...
And, isn't TUX the kernel level webserver, if i'm not mistaken? So, on equally configured systems, the kernel managed to dish out 200 more pages than Win2000/IIS5, even though Win2000 also has the overhead of a full GUI as well?
Benchmarks are far from conclusive, especially when you point to one in particluar and proclaim the winner of that one the best overall.
Funny though, i think i just responded to a troll...
I'm definetly in favor of naming software versions after the release date, rather than any other scheme... Versioning has become useless, as linux companies indiscriminantly add numbers to their releases just to keep up with the other companies, or when Solaris goes from 2.6 to 7 in one revision.
It fails to make any sense. Let's just have Linux 12/2000 (2.4), Windows 8/2001 (2000 SP4, probably), and be done with it.
i think i've read that 85% or 90% percent of metropolitan area's in the US are all under private video surveilance... The informations out there, it's just not all in the hands of one group, but with a simple subpeona, it could be...
I believe that's what i was trying to say. That the only reason to ask for an EPS version of the logo is for the resolution independant version, because if they just want a pixel based version, they can turn a TIFF into any other format they'ed like... Asking for an EPS makes it sound like they definetly don't want a bitmapped only logo.
I guess i wasn't clear in that ramble... Sorry, but it's sunday early afternoon and i'm not functioning yet
A TIFF is just as easy to print as an EPS given the right programs... And they can take a TIFF and convert it to a bitmapped EPS on their end with zero effort (File->Save As). Given those, the only reason to ask for an EPS version is because they want a scalable, resolution independant version of their logo. And that's not asking for much... Who knows, maybe they'll get really big one day and want their logo plastered on the side of a bus. If all they have for logo's is a 1280x400 pixel version, they're basically out of luck...
Well, i've never actually opened an EPS created in Illustrator in a text editor, but i'd guess that since it's plain text, there may be some headers or mention of Adobe and/or Illustrator and/or plugin's in use... So if someone just spends a day grepping all the submissions for those, they could stand to kick out a lot of those submissions, should they arrive....
Yes they can, simply because Linux is not being put forth as a graphic design platform. It's not like finding .asp's at apache.org. Or finding VC++ headers in the kernel. Linux right now, is geared at the server market, the developers market, the terminal market (i don't know if that's the right word... but POS systems, etc) and the power user market. If there's a serious effort to make a linux distro into a graphic design platform, it's evaded the radar quite successfully...
Give it up. If they want a logo, they should ask for a logo. Give specifications on what they'ed liek to receive in the end, which they did - an EPS and a TIFF. And then let the designers do it however they'ed like. They're already getting a great deal in that they're getting a free logo. Corporate branding is a very lucrative business, don't forget.
Right... Before the tools they needed were available on their platforms, Intel routinely used macs to create things like flythroughs in their original Pentium TV ads. Dell and Microsoft had no qualms about using Macs to create and submit ads, since QuarkXPress wasn't originally available for Windows, and even today, you still run the risk of getting charged hefty service charges from printers for submitting a file from a Windows based application.
It's all about the best tool for the job, and LSB is making sure that no one will use the best tools available. Do they want a nice logo? Or do they want a perfectly cheesy attempt at one?
GIMP is nice for making web graphics, but to make a logo for a real company where it'll be viewed in a huge variety of ways (web vs. print) and sizes, you really need to be using a vector based program such as illustrator or freehand. IF only because #1 they produce resolution independant graphics, and #2, my biggest issue with the GIMP, they support CMYK color space and other niceties such as the Pantone color system.
You can make really nice logo's with just black, white (the paper color) and a Pantone color, and they're cheap to produce, since when you go to print, you're only doing 2 colors. Without letting people use such tools as Panton, LSB's going to have to make sure that the only time their logo appears is if it's in a 4 color (CMYK) spot, which costs much more money...
But the biggest thing by far is that of vector graphics. I've hated getting TIFF versions of logo's that some college student produced for a company once, only to go back to the company asking if they've got an EPS version, because the TIFF version is not the right size, and then having to explain that i'll basically have to recreate their logo for them in a vector based program because of that...
Errmmmm... How come cell phone companies have been attempting to coverup every study that mentions brain cancer and mobile phone in the same article? I don't think there's anyway you can really say that sending high frequency waves through our bodies is actually a healthy thing to be doing...
So? Like everything else, the hardware in professionally available video editting systems (Read: Avid, Media 100's, et al) is generally a few years ahead of what's available in the consumer market. Likewise the sound boards used by audio edittors is a few years ahead of what's available to consumers (read Soundblasters). The list goes on and on. The consumer market is driven by commodities. The professional markets make use of different technologies before they become commoditized. Why should it even be shocking that the NSA operates in the same manner?
Am i to understand that not paying royalties back to the authors/artists is a good thing?
I don't think that in the end, any current US TV watcher has much choice. The gov't is mandating a change over to digital/HDTV broadcasts in order to free up the part of the spectrum currently used by broadcasters.
I don't believe i'm responding to a Beowulf posting, but here goes: So far as my understanding is, Beowolf is basically a set of API's that reside above the kernel to allow for programs to use resources on other machines. Correct so far? I"m just curious if there actually is a Beowolf capable/aware webserver available?
What does it matter to you what hardware the server you connect to uses to send you files? Honestly and rationally? I could understand a backlash if say slashdot switched to these systems and all of a sudden they were inaccessible for weeks on end, but nothing like that has happened... Seems like you're judging a site by it's hardware configuration rather than it's content, which just seems incredibly backwards tom me. What next, will you refuse business to any company that has an MSCE anywhere on their payroll?
Wouldn't the vast majority of it have disintegrated prior to reaching the ocean? I'm guessing you'll get to see a ball of fire way overhead, only to see it peter out of existance way before i'd ever hit the ocean...
Regardless of standards and what not, i for one am quite pleased that that as it stands, it's considered to be indecent exposure for a grown man to expose himself to a child. Are you implying that that behavior should be okay, so long as no physical harm occurs? I'm glad that news reporters can indeed get in trouble if they fabricate a story about someone and try to pass it to the public as being truth. Again, no one was physically hurt, so should that be okay? And, say you were a woman, would you really be better off if you had no recourse against the man that may be following you everywhere you go, sending you letters, and calling you in the middle of the night?
I was just at the Liberterian Party's website earlier on today for a completely unrelated purpose, but i'm of the belief that either your misinterpretting their message if you believe the above behaviors should be condoned and accepted, or else the party itself is rather baseless... I'm not believing the latter, so please review your stances...
Actual real physical harm. If someone makes me cry or offends my moral code, I have no right to call upon my government to protect me, because I have not been physically harmed and neither has my property.
Verbal assault, libel, slander, lewd/indecent behavior, stalking, usery for starters, are "crimes", which in and of themselves cause no physical consequence. Yes, some of them are associated with other crimes as well. Protections given by law are not, and i don't think they ever were, meant to be solely of a physical nature. They're their to promote and in effect attempt to enforce responsible actions. In a world of 6 billion people, or a country of 260 million, or a city of 5 million, or even a town of 250, there need to be rules in effect to make sure people are safe in not only a physical nature, but in a mental state as well... And as a species, we're just not responsible enough to live without rules and standards for decency. Yes, they vary from locale to locale, but we all have certain codes of conduct that are generally abided by in each given community.
Maybe VA Linux should have chosen a different trading symbol than "LNUX"... why not "VALX" or something... Because a lot of "investors" out there aren't reading up on the companies involved, just the ticker symbols. Well, maybe these days they do, since it's not the easy money days it was a few years back...
Remember LinuxOne and the uproar they cuased when they announced theye were planning to be traded under "LINX", yet everyone looked the other way when VA linux traded as "LNUX"
ANyways. THe press release is probably reading "Linux" simply due to confusion over the symbols and nothing more than that.
It's a little late in the game to be considering that... after all... the value of LNUX is around 3% or 4% of the value it was at the end of it's first day of trading. It'd be one thing if it were only down 25% and you were accusing them of announcing this suit to satisfy their shorts, but they're down 96%... there isn't much more to be made shorting that stock.
Just curious, why did you spend the extra $100 for the full version when all you needed ws the $89 upgrade? Seems like a waste however you look at it...
What do you mean, the laptop requires two copies of windows to function, somehow? Or are you saying that since you bought a desktop which came with windows, you don't think you should have to pay for another copy to run on the laptop separately? :)
It's like a car... you can't swap your tires between your SUV and motorcycle. Or just maintain one set of seats and put them in a different car each day depending on which one you want to drive. Or you could, but i'm sure you wouldn't...
OEM copies will probably be immune to those installation hassles, since they probably won't include a CD besides one of their restore CD's... Even if the OEM version of the OS has those hooks, MSFT will probably issue a utility that speeds up the process, somehow.
They're just trying to make sure that its' more difficult to buy a retail or upgrade version of the OS and redistribute copies of it...
That's my guess, at least.
MS makes a fortune on software upgrades... Of course you'll still be able to buy upgrade versions of the OS at retail and mailorder outlets.