Lotus hasn't sold out... they're now owned by one of the largest Pro-Linux companies out there... It'd be really telling if a year from now, IBM hadn't turned the screws to Lotus to produce a Linux client. They have already (AFAIK) ported their server to Linux.
Macromedia's only competition is with Adobe. Likewise for adobe, except that Framemaker, Pagemaker, and InDesign compete with Quark. It'd literally suck for everyone but them if they combined... You know that phrase that goes like "competition breeds better products at lower prices?" that'd disappear if they ever combined...
Look. I won't argue this point anymore because it's getting soo old. The artists signed contracts. The labels paid money. That's legally binding.
You wouldn't have even heard of the offspring if it weren't for the labels. And the labels have no way to make up for the money that they spent if the offspring decided to give everything away for free.
Catch 22. If you don't like the labels, don't sign with them. But if you don't sign with them, you're not going to get nearly as much exposure...
They signed. They have to fulfill their end of their contract. It's pretty simple...
And yeah, come back when Linux can touch Tru64 or Solaris on their own turfs...
Those machines aren't aimed at the lowend of the market like Linux is. They're not trying for Linux's marketshare. And they're making great business and good money by doing so...
Marketshare might be important on the desktops, but it's not critically so in the server world. Yes, Linux might have 24%. NT might have 26%. Solaris might have 20%. It just doesn't matter...
But people interested in that much scalability are interested in more than just scalability. For instance, where can you buy one? From Compaq?
Does compaq provide support for Linux on that box? Or will it void the support contract if you install that in lieu of Tru64 Unix?
What about application availablity? It'd be a waste to have that machine run Apache and MySQL... Has oracle released their software for AlphaLinux? doubtful... How about SAP? PeopleSoft? IBM? Sybase? They're all just now getting their acts together about porting to Linux x86, forget about eccentricities like UltraLinux and AlphaLinux.
And no one's been FUDing for the past two years. They will be once 2.4 is actually released, and if the final versions do as well as the beta's been doing... But right now, if someone wants to buy a 8+ CPU box to put in the server room tomorrow, Linux is not the answer. Maybe by December it will be, but not today.
Oops. I was dumb... I didn't read the headings on the table and and only looked at the INT table, thinking that the left column was integer and the right column was floating point.
Geez. maybe we should kill off that vine then? Honestly, the commercial Linuxes have done far more to pave the way for Linux than Linux could have ever done for itself...
Rather than saying that Linux is killing off Unix, it's more accurate to say that Linux is growing the Unix market. It's going to places that no commercial unix ever thought to go (sub $1000 machines, et al).
How can high-end proprietary hardware be a bad idea in the long term? If it gets the job done, it gets the job done. Sun's not going to disappear anytime soon, so you'll always have service and support. And i bet of you to point out any hardware based on commodity products that can compete with "proprietary" at the high end...
Not to nitpick, but that 1 GHz intel pentium machine a few lines up seems to compare pretty well with it... same INT score and just a hair off off for the FP score.
All those are covered by the Specs benchmarks, with the exception of power consumption. But power consumption isn't important when you consider the class of machines that these processors sit inside of, as well as the facilities where those machines are generally installed. Climate controlled, sometimes. Other times, not, but they're serving hundreds if not thousands of clients, so the electric bill isn't all that important if the servers happen to use 20 times the power as the desktops.
But again, one to one comparisons don't do you or them any justice. You can compare a 1 CPU UltraSPARC III based machine against a 1 CPU AMD Athlon machine, but that's again, not where these machines shine. Try 16 CPU's. Try 32 CPU's. Try 64 CPU's.
Intel archeticture just doesn't allow for the same scalability as Sun's...
So rather than look at SpecINT and SpecFP scores, you might rather look at SpecINT rate and SpecFP rate scores to get a grasp on their performance and scalability.
No... wasn't it just 2 out of a 3 person panel that knocked down the DOJ thing about IE having plausible benefit to users?
I think the DOJ is just in a hurry to get this thing under it's belt, prior to A) bush taking office, or B) Joe Klein leaving officed.
Either which way, in the very long term, this ruling doesn't matter, but in the long term, it does, simly because it leaves all ofus (users, administrators, developers, managers, et al) in limbo about what the final ruling will be. It also gives time for Microsoft to decimate/buy up any threats that they see on the 5 to 10 year horizon...
That might seem like a long time in computing terms, but with the fallout from the stock market, it's going to be a long while before investors start fundins frivelous startups that could compete with Microsoft. And no one out there on the playing field today has a chance at eroding their monopoly.... IMHO.
MacOS 7.6 was a real, shipping operating system. MacOS 8.0 was originally slated to be 7.7, not 7.6. Mac OS 9 is just that, Mac OS 9. It appeared on the roadmaps way after the whole Copland/Gershwin debacle...
I get what you're saying, but i'm just trying to remind you that there are a whole lot more differences between the cores of Mac OS 7.5 and 9.0 than between Win 95 and Win ME...
I don't think that anyone can state anything about anyone or anything as "fact". You can say "it is my belief that: such and such". Or "it is in our opinion that: such and such". When criticizing people and products, you have to be extremely careful. Just as you have to be careful when naming products: You can name a drink "Slim Fast" but you can't name it "Dietary Drink" and then write under it "Slims you fast"...
It's all about representations...
I'm not a lawyer, though, but i did spend some time in advertising.
Without a CD burner is there anyway I can install this prior to it becoming available via retail channels? The machine I wanted to dedicate to Linux just arrived today as a matter of fact, and I've just gotten Redhat 5.2 installed on it to make sure it was running properly... so is there a way that I can mount the ISO image and update it, or am I more or less out of luck here?
I'm doubtful, since somehow it'd involve upgrading the kernel while the system is running, but if i hadn't said already, i'm a newbie... Email me if you can help me at all... Thanks!
Not having done so for a while, i'm not sure, but i'm fairly willing to bet that if you went in and left a cash deposit for the car you were renting, you could take it off the lot without leaving a credit card. Likewise, you might even be able to do it if you leave a deposit equivalent to the insurance deductable on the car. The rental agencies just don't want to be giving new cars out to people in exchange for $200 (a 3 or 4 day rental fee).
The difference between what he did and what most of the other hackers/crackers mentioned around here do, is that he discovered the exploit, and tehn showed proof and how it was done only to the people that could actually remedy the situation. He didn't post a "balance transfer tool" on the web in order to "pressure the banks" to fix their security.
Oh okay... i thought this thread was started trying to defend napster from their users actions... universities should be akin to common carriers, like ISP's... but napster is a ASP, so they should be treated on different grounds...
But if a chicken roaster manufacturer found that 95% of the roasters they sold were in fact being used to roast babies, they would probably feel the moral obligation to pull the roasters from the market, at least until such a time as when potential purchasers could be better educated about what the legitamate uses of chicken roasters actually were...
Face it, people and corporations have moral obligations as well as obligations to their shareholders... That's why Ford took out all those TV spots, to reassure the public that they were doing the right thing, rather than trying to sweep the tire controversy under the carpet...
To paraphrase another posters sig, which i think was paraphrased from jurasic park, which was probably paraphrased from somewhere else, it's time for people to realize that just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should..
At any rate it seems to me that most people are violating copyright law, so therefore the law should be nulled.
Huh? I don't quite follow you... are you trying to say that any law that a lot of people break should be voided? There sure do seem to be a lot of drunk drivers on the roads this time of year, maybe we should just legalize drunk driving, then? That make sense to you? If it doesn't, that bit of your argument doesn't either...
The rest of your argument holds though... ISPs have no control of what flows through their lines, they just sell bandwidth. ISP's and universities should fall under that clause. Napster, as a company, shouldn't, unless they became a real ISP, providing bandwidth to users rather than just content.
And the only reason that a college should even consider banning Napster is if it's causing too much network usage for students to get their work done. Past that, RIAA, metallica, dre, et al, should either go after users or sit back and let the RIAA and Napster duke it out in court.
When has apple ever charged money for a point release? Or well, 7.5 and 8.5, but those were both drastic changes over 7.1 and 8.1. It's not like you have to but OS9 and OS9.0.4... the 0.4 update is free, and apple updated the CD they sell to include the latest updates so people don't have to go download them...
Past that... you didn't have to pay for any version of the Mac OS before System 7 arrived. Then you paid for 7, 7.1 7.5, and 8. not for 8.1, then for 8.5, not for 8.6, then for 9, not for 9.0.4...
FYI: What wasn't reported here was the reason that they did that... It wasn't to squeeze out the customer, it was to save the Mom & Pop record stores, the Newbury Comics', and even the Tower's from Walmart and the like... Before they instituted minimum pricing, companies like walmart were selling CD's for drasically below the COST that small outlets had to pay, and not even expecting to make much of a profit from them... instead they offered cheap CD's as a means of getting people into the store to buy other things that they would make money on...
You might think that they should have let the reins go, in the strickest of capitalistic sence: survival of the fittest... But if you hate top 40's radio, you should actually be a little thankful, or else there would have been no outlets left where you could buy anything but the lowest common denominator of music...
So, yeah. The record companies kept CD prices higher then they could have been... And though it might have hurt us in the wallet a little bit, we got paid back dearly by the fact that the little retailers were able to survive...
I tried using it a while ago, maybe a year or so, during the first round of "the gimp is the opensource photoshop" and have ceased to find reason to go download it every week to see what it does and doesn't do. I'll go get the latest build this weekend, but honest, without CMYK & LAB color space support (lightness + A&B channels, by the way - all the contrast is stored in one channel of the image and all the color information is stored in the other two channels) I really doubt that I'll even want to put to to use...
And before you blast type in a graphics program...
How else can you get semi-transparent type over a background? (Answer by creating the type in another program and importing it as an EPS and then adjusting the opacity of the imported artwork). Why add needless steps when you can just click and type?
I'm guessing that you don't spend much time in photoshop, otherwise you'd know the problem there... And as another poster pointed out, this isn't about penguins... this is about things like the images in Adobe ads and Epson stylus ads...
Ummmm, here's my favorite features in no particular order:
1 - HUGE 3rd party plug in support (no... i don't want to write my own plug ins)
2 - Capable of handling pressure sentisitive devices (drawing tablets)
3 - CMYK is really important. Pantone is less so (for me), though Duotones are right up there.
4 - Clipping paths
5 - Layers
6 - LAB color space
7 - Rulers and guides
8 - Import/Rasterize postscript files and PDF's
9 - Kerning controls for type
10 - History palette
11 - Edittable type
That's it for starters... do you want more, or shall we call it quits?
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Lotus hasn't sold out... they're now owned by one of the largest Pro-Linux companies out there... It'd be really telling if a year from now, IBM hadn't turned the screws to Lotus to produce a Linux client. They have already (AFAIK) ported their server to Linux.
Macromedia's only competition is with Adobe. Likewise for adobe, except that Framemaker, Pagemaker, and InDesign compete with Quark. It'd literally suck for everyone but them if they combined... You know that phrase that goes like "competition breeds better products at lower prices?" that'd disappear if they ever combined...
True i guess i did argue, a little bit... sorry
Look. I won't argue this point anymore because it's getting soo old. The artists signed contracts. The labels paid money. That's legally binding.
You wouldn't have even heard of the offspring if it weren't for the labels. And the labels have no way to make up for the money that they spent if the offspring decided to give everything away for free.
Catch 22. If you don't like the labels, don't sign with them. But if you don't sign with them, you're not going to get nearly as much exposure...
They signed. They have to fulfill their end of their contract. It's pretty simple...
And yeah, come back when Linux can touch Tru64 or Solaris on their own turfs...
Those machines aren't aimed at the lowend of the market like Linux is. They're not trying for Linux's marketshare. And they're making great business and good money by doing so...
Marketshare might be important on the desktops, but it's not critically so in the server world. Yes, Linux might have 24%. NT might have 26%. Solaris might have 20%. It just doesn't matter...
But people interested in that much scalability are interested in more than just scalability. For instance, where can you buy one? From Compaq?
Does compaq provide support for Linux on that box? Or will it void the support contract if you install that in lieu of Tru64 Unix?
What about application availablity? It'd be a waste to have that machine run Apache and MySQL... Has oracle released their software for AlphaLinux? doubtful... How about SAP? PeopleSoft? IBM? Sybase? They're all just now getting their acts together about porting to Linux x86, forget about eccentricities like UltraLinux and AlphaLinux.
And no one's been FUDing for the past two years. They will be once 2.4 is actually released, and if the final versions do as well as the beta's been doing... But right now, if someone wants to buy a 8+ CPU box to put in the server room tomorrow, Linux is not the answer. Maybe by December it will be, but not today.
I don't know. That's just my 2 cents...
Oops. I was dumb... I didn't read the headings on the table and and only looked at the INT table, thinking that the left column was integer and the right column was floating point.
My bad!
Disregard my last comment!!!!!
Geez. maybe we should kill off that vine then? Honestly, the commercial Linuxes have done far more to pave the way for Linux than Linux could have ever done for itself...
Rather than saying that Linux is killing off Unix, it's more accurate to say that Linux is growing the Unix market. It's going to places that no commercial unix ever thought to go (sub $1000 machines, et al).
How can high-end proprietary hardware be a bad idea in the long term? If it gets the job done, it gets the job done. Sun's not going to disappear anytime soon, so you'll always have service and support. And i bet of you to point out any hardware based on commodity products that can compete with "proprietary" at the high end...
Not to nitpick, but that 1 GHz intel pentium machine a few lines up seems to compare pretty well with it... same INT score and just a hair off off for the FP score.
All those are covered by the Specs benchmarks, with the exception of power consumption. But power consumption isn't important when you consider the class of machines that these processors sit inside of, as well as the facilities where those machines are generally installed. Climate controlled, sometimes. Other times, not, but they're serving hundreds if not thousands of clients, so the electric bill isn't all that important if the servers happen to use 20 times the power as the desktops.
But again, one to one comparisons don't do you or them any justice. You can compare a 1 CPU UltraSPARC III based machine against a 1 CPU AMD Athlon machine, but that's again, not where these machines shine. Try 16 CPU's. Try 32 CPU's. Try 64 CPU's.
Intel archeticture just doesn't allow for the same scalability as Sun's...
So rather than look at SpecINT and SpecFP scores, you might rather look at SpecINT rate and SpecFP rate scores to get a grasp on their performance and scalability.
No... wasn't it just 2 out of a 3 person panel that knocked down the DOJ thing about IE having plausible benefit to users? I think the DOJ is just in a hurry to get this thing under it's belt, prior to A) bush taking office, or B) Joe Klein leaving officed. Either which way, in the very long term, this ruling doesn't matter, but in the long term, it does, simly because it leaves all ofus (users, administrators, developers, managers, et al) in limbo about what the final ruling will be. It also gives time for Microsoft to decimate/buy up any threats that they see on the 5 to 10 year horizon... That might seem like a long time in computing terms, but with the fallout from the stock market, it's going to be a long while before investors start fundins frivelous startups that could compete with Microsoft. And no one out there on the playing field today has a chance at eroding their monopoly.... IMHO.
Note from the humor impaired:
MacOS 7.6 was a real, shipping operating system. MacOS 8.0 was originally slated to be 7.7, not 7.6. Mac OS 9 is just that, Mac OS 9. It appeared on the roadmaps way after the whole Copland/Gershwin debacle...
I get what you're saying, but i'm just trying to remind you that there are a whole lot more differences between the cores of Mac OS 7.5 and 9.0 than between Win 95 and Win ME...
I don't think that anyone can state anything about anyone or anything as "fact". You can say "it is my belief that: such and such". Or "it is in our opinion that: such and such". When criticizing people and products, you have to be extremely careful. Just as you have to be careful when naming products: You can name a drink "Slim Fast" but you can't name it "Dietary Drink" and then write under it "Slims you fast"... It's all about representations... I'm not a lawyer, though, but i did spend some time in advertising.
Without a CD burner is there anyway I can install this prior to it becoming available via retail channels? The machine I wanted to dedicate to Linux just arrived today as a matter of fact, and I've just gotten Redhat 5.2 installed on it to make sure it was running properly... so is there a way that I can mount the ISO image and update it, or am I more or less out of luck here?
I'm doubtful, since somehow it'd involve upgrading the kernel while the system is running, but if i hadn't said already, i'm a newbie... Email me if you can help me at all... Thanks!
Not having done so for a while, i'm not sure, but i'm fairly willing to bet that if you went in and left a cash deposit for the car you were renting, you could take it off the lot without leaving a credit card. Likewise, you might even be able to do it if you leave a deposit equivalent to the insurance deductable on the car. The rental agencies just don't want to be giving new cars out to people in exchange for $200 (a 3 or 4 day rental fee).
Cash isnt' useless...
The difference between what he did and what most of the other hackers/crackers mentioned around here do, is that he discovered the exploit, and tehn showed proof and how it was done only to the people that could actually remedy the situation. He didn't post a "balance transfer tool" on the web in order to "pressure the banks" to fix their security.
Oh okay... i thought this thread was started trying to defend napster from their users actions... universities should be akin to common carriers, like ISP's... but napster is a ASP, so they should be treated on different grounds...
But if a chicken roaster manufacturer found that 95% of the roasters they sold were in fact being used to roast babies, they would probably feel the moral obligation to pull the roasters from the market, at least until such a time as when potential purchasers could be better educated about what the legitamate uses of chicken roasters actually were...
Face it, people and corporations have moral obligations as well as obligations to their shareholders... That's why Ford took out all those TV spots, to reassure the public that they were doing the right thing, rather than trying to sweep the tire controversy under the carpet...
To paraphrase another posters sig, which i think was paraphrased from jurasic park, which was probably paraphrased from somewhere else, it's time for people to realize that just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should..
At any rate it seems to me that most people are violating copyright law, so therefore the law should be nulled.
Huh? I don't quite follow you... are you trying to say that any law that a lot of people break should be voided? There sure do seem to be a lot of drunk drivers on the roads this time of year, maybe we should just legalize drunk driving, then? That make sense to you? If it doesn't, that bit of your argument doesn't either...
The rest of your argument holds though... ISPs have no control of what flows through their lines, they just sell bandwidth. ISP's and universities should fall under that clause. Napster, as a company, shouldn't, unless they became a real ISP, providing bandwidth to users rather than just content.
And the only reason that a college should even consider banning Napster is if it's causing too much network usage for students to get their work done. Past that, RIAA, metallica, dre, et al, should either go after users or sit back and let the RIAA and Napster duke it out in court.
When has apple ever charged money for a point release? Or well, 7.5 and 8.5, but those were both drastic changes over 7.1 and 8.1. It's not like you have to but OS9 and OS9.0.4... the 0.4 update is free, and apple updated the CD they sell to include the latest updates so people don't have to go download them...
Past that... you didn't have to pay for any version of the Mac OS before System 7 arrived. Then you paid for 7, 7.1 7.5, and 8. not for 8.1, then for 8.5, not for 8.6, then for 9, not for 9.0.4...
It's not an aweful deal...
FYI: What wasn't reported here was the reason that they did that... It wasn't to squeeze out the customer, it was to save the Mom & Pop record stores, the Newbury Comics', and even the Tower's from Walmart and the like... Before they instituted minimum pricing, companies like walmart were selling CD's for drasically below the COST that small outlets had to pay, and not even expecting to make much of a profit from them... instead they offered cheap CD's as a means of getting people into the store to buy other things that they would make money on...
You might think that they should have let the reins go, in the strickest of capitalistic sence: survival of the fittest... But if you hate top 40's radio, you should actually be a little thankful, or else there would have been no outlets left where you could buy anything but the lowest common denominator of music...
So, yeah. The record companies kept CD prices higher then they could have been... And though it might have hurt us in the wallet a little bit, we got paid back dearly by the fact that the little retailers were able to survive...
I tried using it a while ago, maybe a year or so, during the first round of "the gimp is the opensource photoshop" and have ceased to find reason to go download it every week to see what it does and doesn't do. I'll go get the latest build this weekend, but honest, without CMYK & LAB color space support (lightness + A&B channels, by the way - all the contrast is stored in one channel of the image and all the color information is stored in the other two channels) I really doubt that I'll even want to put to to use...
And before you blast type in a graphics program...
How else can you get semi-transparent type over a background? (Answer by creating the type in another program and importing it as an EPS and then adjusting the opacity of the imported artwork). Why add needless steps when you can just click and type?
I'm guessing that you don't spend much time in photoshop, otherwise you'd know the problem there... And as another poster pointed out, this isn't about penguins... this is about things like the images in Adobe ads and Epson stylus ads...
Ummmm, here's my favorite features in no particular order:
1 - HUGE 3rd party plug in support (no... i don't want to write my own plug ins)
2 - Capable of handling pressure sentisitive devices (drawing tablets)
3 - CMYK is really important. Pantone is less so (for me), though Duotones are right up there.
4 - Clipping paths
5 - Layers
6 - LAB color space
7 - Rulers and guides
8 - Import/Rasterize postscript files and PDF's
9 - Kerning controls for type
10 - History palette
11 - Edittable type
That's it for starters... do you want more, or shall we call it quits?
What's the problem with having
/sbin
/usr/bin, /usr/local/bin
/usr/sbin, /usr/local/sbin
/Applications
/System
/Preferences
as opposed to
/bin
/boot &
/etc
is it just that it's different that makes it wrong? Mac's aren't and won't be targetted at unix jockey's, they're computers for the rest of "us".
I still haven't managed to figure out what the differences are between:
/bin,
/sbin,
Apple's just trying to make sure that their users never have to deal with stuff like that.
He said they 'get by' with word and solitaire, and 'need' photoshop'. I think my arguments still stands in that context.