Posted by
CmdrTaco
on from the snag-the-isos-while-they're-hot dept.
weeble writes "Red Hat 7 is now out. The updates to the Red Hat web site have been made; however the ftp site has not yet been updated." Remember to use mirrors folks. Its gonna be a bit before they all catch up so be patient.
There is still no prediction of when 2.4.0 will be released, and probably we'll have to wait at least for 2.4.2 to get a kernel that is as stable as 2.2.18.
We can't delay the 7.0 release forever (see the KDE thread).
Red Hat Linux 7 is ready for Kernel 2.4 though - just install the kernel and everything will work (we're even including a prerelease rpm).
I'm running Red Hat Linux 7 with 2.4.0 kernels on a couple of machines - no problems so far [on pretty much standard low-end hardware].
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What about it? It does exactly what it's supposed to do.
and the 'epplets'... what moron thought of those?
Why do you say that? They are great. They are applets but they match the rest of the desktop.
and there is no config tool... econf SUCKS!
Hua? You must have used E0.16 since you complain about the icon box but how can you think there are no gui config tools? When I right click on my desktop I have a menu of GUI tools for:
Focus settings
Move & resize settings
Pager settings
Window placement settings
Multiple desktop settings
Virtual desktop settings
Autoraise settings
Tooltip settings
Audio settings
Group settinhgs
Special FX settings
Desktop background settings
KDE settings
A link to the legacy e-conf gtk app.
Redhat+Gnome+Sawfish = ROCK ON!
I agree. They kick ass (except for perhaps redhat but that's another story).
Don't
CD available in the UK??
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Mr_Silver
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I, like others, have a 56k modem at home and therefore not a hope in hell of downloading version 7 (unless I want a 40 hour phone bill).
Is there a UK company that will burn Redhat 7 on CD and ship it out to me at a reasonable price?
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Re:CD available in the UK??
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yobtah
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Cheapbytes (www.cheapbytes.com) will sell a 3 CD RH 7.0 install set for x86 and ship it to the UK for US $12.99. It would be shipped US air mail.
Re:CD available in the UK??
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Kinlan
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If you wait for a bit I am sure Linux Emporium Will be able to get you a copy -
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http://www.kinlan.co
Re:CD available in the UK??
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Ancipital
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http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/ should be able to help, but give him a few days to catch up:)
Not on FTP till Tuesday . . .
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webbster
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If you read the RedHat press release it states that it will not be available for download until Tuesday. The Press Release. Good luck with the link, RedHat site is crawling . . .
Re:Sawfish. Finally. [continued]
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frantzdb
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[for some reason/. didn't post my entire comment]
I agree. They kick ass (except for perhaps redhat but that's another story). Don't forget that Enlightenment paved the way for almost everything pretty on the x desktop. I don't see why you are so bitter about Enlightenment.
--Ben
Re:Redhat x.0 or x.1 -- wait and research...
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Vox
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>Anyhow, i'm more interested in how this will impact Mandrake. I say that only because of the
>close relation between Mandrake and Redhat. Will the two start to spread apart now, Mandrake
>forming its own identity? Or will Mandrake make efforts to remain as close to Redhat as they
>already are?
Mandrake has been "growing appart" from RH since version 6.0...they are working on the beta of 7.2 as it is right now, and their 7.0 came out way ahead of RH's.
Also, Mandrake has gone FHS-compliant* (at least there's talk about that in the cooker [mandrake developers] mailing list...I haven't tried the 7.2 betas yet); I belive Mandrake is now its own distro, tho I'm sure they are gonna try to remind RH-compatible (they like knowing that all commercial "For RHL" software runs on Mdk too, I guess).
Anyway...RH's latest shouldn't affect Mdk, one way or another
Vox
* I have no clue if RH is FHS-compliant yet or if they have plans to be...have been using Mdk exclusively since 6.0
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I have an Alpha that I have been waiting all weekend to install Redhat. (Note: Install, not upgrade). Now I can find plently of mirrors, but they all have i386 iso only. Anyone know what the lag is for non-i386 distros?!?
Ditto here, but the problem is that most programmers run x86 machines, and so the code is not "64-bit clean". So there need to be patches made. These patches are made then put into alpha rpms. The patches are incorperated into the next general SRPMS (6.2 alpha patches are in 7.0 SRPMS. 7.0 will be in 7.1, etc) but because of this, wait for a few weeks (variable) before it comes out.
This is second+ hand from another alpha user so if anyone knows more, post.
Last week, it was posted it would be out Monday. Today is monday, thus there is another posting saying it actually *IS* out, not just announced to *be out*.
How long do you think (proper) QA takes? We didn't want to release "yet another buggy.0."
Then, pressing the CDs takes some time, getting them packaged takes some time...
We've gone gold a while before bind 9 has been released, and even if we hadn't, there's no chance anything this different from prior versions could have got in that late in the cycle.
On a different note, I've built 9.0 in the 7.1 tree the day it was released.
While it does its core functionality perfectly, there are still a couple of problems left that wouldn't be tolerated in a Red Hat Linux release.
Especially when running on 2.2 kernels, bind 9 isn't 100% ready yet.
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I'm very pleased that they've changed the default window manager (when running GNOME, anyway) from Enlightenment to Sawfish. I think that a lot of people who thought they hated GNOME, actually just hated Enlightenment.
Sawfish is nice and lean, it makes the GNOME experience snappy and responsive. Thankfully, with Rasterman now off the payroll, Red Hat was able to make this switch, and I think it makes their product that much better. --
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yeah, again, midiman is best for price/performance ratio. their 'superdac 2496' is a VERY VERY quiet and clean performer. it can process 99% of what you throw at it (all but dolby digital - and who cares about that in a soundcard?)
its $200 and beats many 'boutique' DACs that sell for thousands. it uses the right chipset (burr brown and crystal, iirc) and it has a nofrills front panel - meant more for pro use than home use. that's not to say that consumers won't like it - its just not in jet-black like many home units are. its their commonsense attitude towards 'getting the goods out with clean sound and cheap' that I like about midiman. no stuffy attitude with them - they know that building with good chipsets doesn't have to be expensive.
my setup is the DiO 2496 card and the superdac 2496. obviously they both support 24bit word lengths and 96khz sampling rates. that's 'dvd audio' quality and will be a long long time before the analog side of things can match up to the arch. that is in place for 2496. ie, you can relax knowing this system won't be outdated anytime soon.
the downside is that ALSA has a real incompatible (sucks!) driver for the 2496. OSS/non-free demo does work very well - EXCEPT with mpg123 commandline player. strangely enough other.mp3 players work just fine with the oss/nonfree driver (freeamp and xmms being two that I've personally tried). the oss/nonfree driver is $60 (sigh...) but since alsa doesn't CARE (harumph!) about fixing their goddamn broken driver, oss/nonfree is your only solution.
We knew we'd be doing this since a day after 6.2 went gold, so we had enough time to stabilize them (yes, our patches have been given back and integrated in the trees). We also employ most of the maintainers for both, so we could make a qualified decision on which beta to take there.
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xinetd is more secure (it has tcp wrappers functionality implemented), and it supports having a different config file for each service, making it much more easily maintainable by config tools.
Because of this change, we could finally get all the inet services into ntsysv - along with the ones running as daemons.
This sort of stuff is MUCH harder to achieve with the traditional inetd.
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We've tested this a number of times on a number of very different machines. It works without problems, and preserves your configuration. It even upgrades your inetd.conf to xinetd.
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The beta was there to fix bugs, not to be perfect.
The KDE issues are most definitely fixed.
I didn't try gnome on an update installation, but if you reported it, I'm quite sure it was fixed.
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It is safe to update from older versions to 7.
We recommend you make a backup of important files as well as your configuration, but I didn't need the backups on any of the boxes I've tried.
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First of all the fact that you are an anonymous coward just goes to show that your opinion means nothing. Second, I know that USB support is only a recent thing in linux and if you actually read the message you would realize that there was no reason to setup support for it since I don't have any USB devices on this machine. I was just commenting on the ease of setup. Third, I've been playing with linux since almost the beginning. I switched from Slackware to Redhat because I don't want to deal with all the manual configurations and messy upgrades. Just because I can spend hours on end tweaking my system doesn't mean that I should. Some of us have lives.
I've made a lot of changes to this install, and am in a situation similar to when I made that jump from 5.2 to 6.0.
I think I'll take your word for it and give 7.0 a try... but you'll forgive me if I image my root partition first.;) ---
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So, is anyone brave enough to try and upgrade from 6.2 to 7.0? I know it's possible under Debian, but is it a wise thing to try with RedHat?
Of course - Red Hat has been upgradeable since 2.0/2.1. This has been tested extensively, including migration of some files (like inetd.conf) - if you have problems, feed bugzilla
If you do decide to upgrade be careful. I upgraded from 6.0 to 6.9.5 beta (pinstripe). While it was mostly a pleasure: USB support reported on startup (but I didn't verify it since I don't have any USB devices on that machine)and my SB Live! card was recognized and worked without tweaking. I did experience problems with X. Gnome reported a non-compatible window manager, so I changed to KDE (on ALL desktops without testing [duh!]) and I was unable to see anything except for a blank background (no icons or menus). It may be nothing -- I haven't had time to look at it, but just be careful.
-bgaz
you can also make a beetle travel at the speed of light... though it does require that you strap three or four warp drives to the top of it... not to mention the procedure requires a ton of duct tape.
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I remember upgrading a box from 5.2 to 6.0... It was painful. I had a nightmare of conflicts and dependancy problems to sort through. The upgrade probably would have gone without a hitch on a virgin 5.2 system, but who doesn't configure/modify/tweak/fondle the hell out of an install by the time the next release rolls out?
I think I'll wait to hear from more adventurous souls before upgrading my RH6.2 box. ---
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Re:Is it worth the upgrade?
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KenCrandall
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First of all, you can get rpm v3.0.6 from rpm.org, either as a SRPM or pre-compiled, whichever is your flavour of choice.
Second, a lot of changes have been made "under-the-hood" in RPM in the past couple of years. 3.x has stood the test of time for quite a while (two major version release cycles) and even now, at version 4.0, still has a way to go (or needs a companion-application, as pointed out in the Freshmeat article from a week ago -- the link escapes me, help on this welcome!) If there are architectural changes, either visible or internal, a new version number is probably warranted...
Third, You can then build any RH7.0 RPM's against RH6.2 for compatability. As RH7.0 uses a new glibc (hence the major version #) you should stray away from using binaries RPM's compiled against 7.0 on 6.2, as this could lead to major breakage.
Finally, RH would not have chosen a new major relase number unless there are forward-looking binary compatability issues against previous releases. They're one of the only SW companies out there that can even trace their product line back to 1.x!
Microsoft: WinNT 3.1 was the first release.
Mandrake: Began at something like 5.3 (just to be bigger than RH 5.2!)
Sun: Okay, so SunOS/Solaris began at 1.x, but look how odd it got after THAT!
I'll skip over most of the last point, but I will point out that if you use RH services and support, it's a great deal to but a new OS every 6 mos. and get support for the life of that product (read: 6 mos.) for only $80 or so. That's only $13-14 a month for full OS support on your desktop. Not too shabby...
Why do you expect everybody to upgrade right now?
IMHO/. would lose in credibility if it tried to delay this information.
Finally, it's RedHat's problem, not SlashDot's.
Software designers are so infatuated with the fact that they can, that they don't stop to think if they should.
Please give an example of this phenomenon.
See "creeping featurism".
Use mirrors, don't use ftp.redhat.com!!
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rbb
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And even if you decide against using mirrors, note that one of the IP addresses used for ftp.redhat.com (nslookup reveals three, the.212 one is faulty) will give you an empty FTP server.
Just call it "Red Hat Linux" and leave it at that... Perhaps "Desktop" or "Deluxe" and such, but like you said, numbers just confuse people, and quickly get old.
I hardly see the 2.4 kernel being released very soon, and also we would need time to test and tweak it (we have extensive kernel QA) - rest assured, no Red Hat Linux 7.1 is coming up for some time
Why not? I bought 6.2 with the 30 day priority FTP updates.
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Re:Ignorant suckah, ain't he?
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karma+kameleon
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Yeah, we've been trying to pressure Event for Linux drivers, but they haven't been very forthcoming yet. They did release drivers for BeOS though, so there are some alternatives out there. I own a Gina and Ive been very happy with it, but I've heard good things about the Midimans.
It took a while before the 3d accelerator companies caught on to OSS, I imagine it will take the audiophile card companies a while, too. I wish all hardware companies would open their specs *cough* nVidia *cough*.
Re:What will it do to Helix Gnome?
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Dids
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On a related note, with pinstripe a lot of things (the updater comes to mind and the sawfish theme panel in CC) in Helix-Gnome would fail because of dependency issues with the new libraries.
I know this is probably more of an Helix issue but does anyone know if this is resolved?
-D
Re:Guinness: An obvious attempt to win Linus' favo
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Erich
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Guinness happens to be a lot of peoples' favourite beer...
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Re:Ignorant suckah, ain't he?
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TheGratefulNet
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The $209 2496 card is also based around the
same chip,
bzzzt! sorry but thanks for playing.
the 2448 uses the c-media pci chip. its quite decent. maybe you're thinking of the 'sound-pro' which is an isa bus single chip spdif solution (which has very drifty jitter and almost unusable spdif input; although I bet their spdif out is usable). but no drivers for linux that I know of.
the 2496 uses the envy24 chipset. all the higher end midiman cards use this. it allows multi channel operation. on the midiman cards, their dacs are also pretty decent; you could live without the external dac if you had to.
no idea about zoltrix - please tell me which chip it uses and if there's a linux driver.
Not exactly a response, but I've run Red Hat 5.2 and 6.2 on a IBM Thinkpad 701 for a long time. This is a 486/75, 24MB ram, 650mb disk machine with sound and modem built in. Everything works well and out of the box, although I've always built custom kernels. Gnome/KDE are too heavy for this machine, so I've used icewm.
Not sure how "ancient" your laptop is.
Yippee another pointless update
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DrXym
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Hmmm, so the difference between 6.2 and 7.0 is a few package upgrades. Big deal.
Perhaps I'd be more excited if someone said Redhat had listened to concerns about security and had made 7.0 the most secure-by-default Linux yet. Or if they had written simple tools that made Linux as easy to administer as Windows 2000. Or if 7.0 wasn't playing package catchup to Mandrake 7.1. Or if it supported substantially more hardware.
Since it does none of these things, I won't be in any hurry to try it out.
Re:FYI: Last time I checked pinstripe in beta
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buysse
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Here's my philosophy, since I run a large number of hosts. Try to do as much as I can in RPM. If I need to build or fix spec files for new versions, fine. If it's a new package, and there is no RPM (or it's [shudder] binary only), toss it in/usr/local.
People who build RPMs to install in/usr/local should be shot. They really screw me up.:)
I get tired of 'fixing' spec files to install in/usr.
We're using a new glibc (2.2), a new and binary incompatible libstdc++ (gcc 2.96; some ABI changes were required to support more C++ features) as well as a new package format (rpm v4).
If you want to use rawhide packages on older versions of Red Hat Linux or other distributions using rpm, get rpm 3.0.5 or higher (3.0.5 is the first 3.x version that supports rpm v4 packages), get the source rpm and use rpm --rebuild.
That should work in most cases.
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Re:Ok, since you asked... ;)
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CapnMatt
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Besides, it's nice to have a stable place to build a new server or workstation from. Who wants to finish installing a new system and immediately have to FTP all over the planet??
For my main workstation, I might upgrade forever, but I tend to have to build systems too often. A recent RH CD and RPM save LOADS and LOADS of time.
-Matt
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Re:Ok, since you asked... ;)
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ChrisWong
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There is bound to be some confusion here: you say that glibc 2.2 is in, but
your web page says version 2.1.92 instead.
Chris
Re:Ignorant suckah, ain't he?
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TheGratefulNet
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I once had a sonorus studi/o (after talking with the ceo and his stating that he supported linux). well, the oss/nonfree driver took forever to come out and its still incomplete afaik. and they would NOT release specs;-(
seems that soundcard companies guard their wares like its the kings jewels. guys - there's NOTHING real esoteric about soundcard design; especially digi cards that have no analog stages on them.
it seems that sound card drivers will always be a few generations behind the current hardware. double sigh;-(
The European version contains some additional CDs.
Since net access is still very expensive in many countries in Europe, we decided we should include more packages (that can be simply downloaded in the rest of the world) in Europe.
The additions (including, of course, Parsec) will be available on ftp.redhat.de (unless licenses don't permit it) - parts of them, such as our new, credit card sized Rescue CD, are available already.
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Re:Ignorant suckah, ain't he?
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adolf
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It is worth mentioning that the "butt-cheap" $109 Midiman DIO2448 card uses the exact same monolithic chipset as the dirt-cheap $20 Zoltrix cards being sold by the neighborhood discount whore. The $209 2496 card is also based around the same chip, but adds couple of presumably decent Crystal DACs which are probably good enough on their own for non-critical listening.
I have no doubt that the Midiman's analog signal path is much cleaner than that of the Zoltrix. However, those who are just looking for an SP/DIF output are probably better off with the Zoltrix card, while putting the ~$90(!) difference toward, say, a Midiman external DAC (all of which are excellent).
No word yet as to how well the digital output on the Zoltrix card works with OSS, specifically, but the same can be said of the Midiman variant. Should be about the same, though, given that there's only really one chip on either board.:)
Personally, I just want support for the Lexicon core2. 4 in/8 out+8 channels of ADAT IO+SP/DIF, all at once, and at 48KHz, 24-bit. I use one for mixdowns with an ADAT in the studio and have yet to be disappointed with it. Sadly, I'm forced to do this under Windows.:-/
Re:Redhat x.0 or x.1 -- wait and research...
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Wakko+Warner
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Yes, everyone running RedHat 6.2 should feel secure, especially if they haven't updated their libc (root-giving exploit), ftp daemon (root-giving remote exploit) and sysklogd (root-giving remote exploit) packages.
Entrusting security to a distribution -- any distribution -- is asinine. Those who merely install Linux and expect it to be secure deserve to get rooted.
- A.P. (not flaming you in particular, just observing)
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I have a 2496 and am thinking of getting a 2448 just for mp3 jukebox playback. at just over $100 (and $70 for a used audio alchemy dac-in-the-box), its a quite affordable quality sound playback system.
The Soundblaster AWE had spdif also, it's not like this is some sort of advanced interface whose presence represents some degree of quality.
been there - done that. I had the sblive-2 with spdif out. what a joke! the output is ALWAYS 48k, even if the input is 44.1;-( very very bad design. the resampling is not ANY better than the regular analog outs! maybe you didn't know that.
there's also the hoontech (in korea) card based on the trident 4dwave chip. its about the same as the sblive-2 and comes with opto and coax digi outs. not bad for $39 delivered (direct from korea via their website). but its ALSO a resampled card. to get 44.1in -> 44.1out you need that midiman card or similar. not a 'soundcard' but more of a 'musician card' if you see what I mean.
I'm a new linux user (read: above cluebie, but far from guru, although I've gained some shell scripting mojo;), and for the heck of it, I'm running Linux on an ancient ThinkPad (yes, I must be a masochist). Anyhow, for those of you with laptops out there, ThinkPads in particular, does Red Hat 7.0 offer much? It would be cool if they bundled in the latest pcmcia daemon, and laptop sound drivers...currently my pcmcia is held together with thread and glue, and sound is plain broke. Does XFree 4.0 offer anything for the RAM/CPU impaired?
We're shipping the latest PCMCIA drivers as part of the kernel.
We've also put in many changes to the apmd scripts to support suspend/resume much better.
Also, there's now a special "laptop" setup in the custom install.
XFree86 4.0 won't help you much with RAM/CPU, actually you might be better off using 3.3.6 on very low-end machines. Red Hat Linux 7 includes both 3.3.6 and 4.0.1.
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I'm running Mandrake 7.1 on my older Eurocom laptop (P166) and the sound also seems to run unbearably slow, especially in xmms. I thought that this was just a cheap sound card or something. Does anyone know a fix for this? I'd love to be able to listen to mp3s on my laptop.
I have mandreake 7.1 on my Thinkpad a20 (dual boot w/ win 95). Everthing works perfectly except the modem(given, but who cares, I have cable now) and the sound, which seems to play in slow motion(even the timer on xmms runs slower).
I only installed it to see if it could be done, and I never expected to keep it there. Now i use it more than windoze except for listening to mp3s or haveing to work in VB for skewl.
Re:Quick!!!!
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Anonymous Coward
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The rpm package manager is broken by default!
Hmm, RPM has always worked fine for me.
is the ridiculous amount of
abstration in the startup stripts, going here, point there, where the hell is it going!! Which makes for lengthy boot up times.
Redhat comes with a few nice scripts which makes administration of your startup files very easy. For instance, to restart sendmail in RH you can type service sendmail restart, or to stop linuxconf you can type service linuxconf stop, etc. To change what services are started at boot, you can use the ntsysv command. I like this much better than a huge obfuscated rc.local file, where you stop a service from running by moving the executable or removing the entry entirely.
I liked Mandrake until I tried to put it on one of my servers. One thing that didn't work correctly with Mandrake 7 was shutting down in the correct sequence: ie nfs would always hang when shutting down the machine.
After having installed all the distro's, I have come to appreciate RedHat. They may not have the most up-to-date Linux distro, but at least it works.
Its like the free windows updates from MS but you have to pay a yearly subscription fee.
Please start reading and gathering information before replying. Thanks. It is our intention to have a free, baseline service - we'll have value-added high end services on top of that, but that is in addition.
Re:Guinness: An obvious attempt to win Linus' favo
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bero-rh
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Actually, it's because we want to be listed in the guinness book of world records for the least bugs, the biggest number of good features, the biggest user base...
Oops, now I've accidentally revealed our plans for world domination...
Err... What now...
Ah, yes, of course, we're picking the name just to win the favor of Linux, OF COURSE.
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Err, if 6.2 is running great, why bother updating? RedHat is generally pretty good at making security updates available for a number of older versions (I believe they're still providing them for the 5.x systems, although it wouldn't surprise me if those soon hit the "too old to support" barrier).
Traditionally, the x.0 RedHat releases have been rough, the x.1 releases have been a bit better, and the x.2 releases actually run fairly smoothly. Unless there's a killer feature in 7.0 that you absolutely *need*, consider putting a damper on the mindless upgrade mania. (Besides, odds are that if there's such a killer feature that you need, you'll have manually installed it, already...)
From my perspective, upgrading to 7.0 is definitely worth it. The 7.0 distro has much more software than 6.2, and includes many packages that I have been manually installing since the 6.0 days. 7.0 will save me a lot of time: I no longer have to constantly maintain and upgrade the packages that ship with the base 7.0 distro. Folks who have been installing certain popular add-on software will be pleasantly surprised and relieved that they will no longer have to do that.
As far as the RPM 4.0 issue goes, changes in 4.0 are mostly on the database back-end. The database back-end is more reliable, and 4.0 packages are also a bit smaller due to some internal reorganization.
I really like the new default desktop in 7.0. 7.0 looks and feels much, much better than 6.2.
As far as upgrading goes, just make sure to run Xconfigurator after the upgrade, to make sure that you get the correct X server. Run sndconfig too, if you have a sound card. Also, go through/tmp/upgrade.log to see what configuration files have been reset, so that you can add back any site-specific configurations. This is really no different than previous RH upgrades, actually. Same thing.
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Re:Is it worth the upgrade?
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scrytch
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No option to disable it, just to make it use PCI by default for the video. Still get "/dev/agpgart: device not configured" when starting X tho... only with BSD, not with redhat (and I didn't even download intel's binary-only module). I can completely turn off all the other integrated devices in the BIOS, but not this one. Oh well, supposedly some tool called up2date will give me a less grating experience with redhat, and I have to deal with redhat on half our servers anyway, so I may as well figure out how to live with it.
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Anyone know what version of XFree86 RH 7.0 has? I have a card that isn't supported by 3.x.x but is supported by 4.0.1. 3.x.x works, but the mouse cursor doesn't come up right (50x50 solid square rather than an arrow head).
Red Hat Linux ships with XFree86 4.0.1 (with plenty of patches from the CVS), but also includes servers from 3.x since these servers in some cases are much sore stable and also support some older hardware.
So, how do I painlessly make RH7 use the 4.0 server instead of the 3.3.6 one, which it installed by default? My card does a fair bit better in 4 than it did in 3...
I am a little nervous to upgrage to RedHat 7 (from 6.2) My 6.2 version is running great. I have prority
ftp access with them so I guess I will download it today.
If everything is running great, what possible reason do you have to upgrade?
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Because you are nervous about it? If it bothers you, and it's running fine, why upgrade? You really want to do it now, just because you can? When has a x.0 release ever been worth it, anyway?
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Thanks for the info. Saw a new, "open box" DIO 2496 for less than $200 the other day, I knew I should have snapped that up.
Re:Not on any of the mirrors
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kondrag
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> they sink every 24 hrs usually
Hopefully this won't be a problem much longer, as VA Linux
is reportedly working on a new line of airtight/waterproof
servers.
As we all know, Red Hat ties the name of one version to the next. Fitting "Guinness" is a little difficult.
Version - Name - Tie-together
3.0.3 - Picasso
3.0.4 - Rembrandt - Painters
4.0 - Colgate - Toothpastes
4.1 - Vanderbilt - Universities
4.2 - Biltmore - The Vanderbilts lived in Biltmore Estate
4.8 - Thunderbird - Hotels near the San Jose airport
4.9 - Mustang - Ford automobiles
5.0 - Hurricane - WWII fighters
5.1 - Manhattan - Mixed drinks
5.2 - Apollo - Theaters
5.9 - Starbuck - Battlestar Galactica characters
6.0 - Hedwig - Starbuck MN & St Hedwig TX are small towns
beta - Lorax - Hedwig Godiva & the Lorax are Dr Seuss characters
6.1 - Cartmann - MS Word macro-viruses (or cartoon characters)
beta - Piglet - Cartoon characters
6.2 - Zoot - Dr Piglet & Sir Zoot are occupants of Castle Anthrax
beta - Pinstripe - Types of suits
Linux Planet had an article in which they claimed the version after "Pinstripe" would be called "Winston".
At first, I had difficulty finding a tie-together between "Pinstripe" and "Guinness", but with "Winston" as an in-between, we have the Winston Fabrics which has a pinstripe product, and Winston's Restaurant in Colorado which serves Guinness, or Winston Agaba, who is a brand manager for Guinness, or Winston Churchill and Alec Guinness were both knighted.
Upon further examination, however, I discovered there is a red ale called "SKA Pinstripe", which seems to be a much cleaner tie-together with Guinness.
I'm still wondering about that "Winston" that Linux Planet mentioned.
I'm still wondering about that "Winston" that Linux Planet mentioned.
An internal name of the Red Hat Linux 7.0 project, never meant as a name for Red Hat Linux 7.0 itself.
Re:Redhat x.0 or x.1 -- wait and research...
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Angst+Badger
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I've been using Mandrake since 7.0. Overall, I've found it to be a lot better integrated than RH, and a lot more things -- like sound, for example -- worked more or less out of the box, which isn't something I've been able to say for RedHat. Their Advanced Extranet Server project, which has since been folded back into the main distribution, is really nice -- Apache RPMs with all the difficult-to-configure stuff already compiled in.
I don't really have anything bad to say about RH, but I can't really say much good about it, either. It's basically solid, but Mandrake seems to put more effort into making sure everything works together smoothly out of the box. For me, the difference was that Mandrake substantially reduced my dependence on Windows to the point that I probably spend less than a couple of hours a week running MS crap now.
And while ease-of-installation is really a side issue to me, it does make me more likely to recommend Mandrake to a newbie.
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Re:Redhat x dot zero releases
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tuffy
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Ever since redhat was started, dot zero releases are like the front bumper of car that was driven 1300 miles in south Georgia and Florida in
the summer.
Hmm. It sounds like such a bumper would be full of squished bugs with little chance of finding any alive. I'd say it's a pretty good thing to have plenty of known dead bugs plastered prominantly in the logs of any piece of software...
I think you might want to take a look at the kernal mailing list, or the digests provided by linuxcare describing the problems with truncate() before affering idiocy on your betters.
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Re:What will it do to Helix Gnome?
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reaper20
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I just got off the phone with RHs pre-buyer tech support: She told me that indeed RH7 will install it's GNOME RPMS over Helix's... I'm sure that you can probably get around this doing a custom install. When I asked her what "enhanced 3D support" meant she gave me the usual market speak.:)
If anyone knows (bero?) I'd like to know how this release supports 3Dfx chipsets, for some reason I've never gotten 3dfx.o to compile on my 6.2 system. RH please don't forget the importance of Q3A!! "Runs Q3A on 3Dfx out of the box" should have made it into the enhancements page! I guess I'll know for sure when the box gets here....
What an intelligent way to choose your OS!
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TobyWong
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Say, you wouldn't be Sean from "Survivor" by any chance would you?
=P~~
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Liking GNOME is NOT disliking KDE.
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bero-rh
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The fact that most of us like GNOME doesn't mean we don't like KDE.
We don't like the Qt 1.x license. That's all.
By now, GNOME has progressed far beyond a point where we would want to drop it as soon as there's a stable release of KDE running on Qt 2.x, so that's not going to happen.
Red Hat will continue to support both desktops.
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Re:Liking GNOME is NOT disliking KDE.
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Bastiaan
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Hmm, I certainly hope the KDE runs better on Guinness than it does on Pinstripe. If not, you can hardly claim to 'support' KDE on Red Hat: all I've seen from KDE apps on PinStripe were those lovely bug report dialog boxes.
Re:Liking GNOME is NOT disliking KDE.
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bero-rh
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"rpm -e autorun" is the fix for that.
We've experimented with KDE 2.0 betas because we hoped we could get rid of Qt 1.x - it worked in my testing, but only because I don't use autorun.
In the 7.0final, KDE 1.1.x (2+patches) works perfectly, the 2.0 preview on the 2nd CD works ok.
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I haven't been keeping up to date with RPM v4 as much as I'd like to, but last I knew it was beta and having problems with corrupting the RPM database. Has this changed?
http://www.rpm.org still says that the current stable version is RPM v3.0.4. Hmmm... I could have sworn that v3.0.6 was the latest in the 3.x series.
Scratch that. After hunting through the rpm-list listserv, I found that RPM v4.0 was released 10 days ago... hopefully without the database corruption included:)
Guinness: An obvious attempt to win Linus' favor!
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Jim.Dean
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Am I the first to notice this blatant attempt by RedHat to win the favor of Linus? The 7.0 release just happens to be called Guinness and Guinness just happens to be Linus' favorite beer. I'd bet money that there's an email sitting in Linus' box right now saying "Come on Linus, just endorse the RedHat and you'll never have to buy yourself another beer forever. The level these companies will stoop to!
We don't do that sort of stuff. Releasing 2 different 7.0s would be impossible to support.
If anything turns out to be horribly broken (unlikely, aside from a couple of relatively minor bugs, we haven't had any problems with 7.0 yet), we'll make updates for the affected packages available.
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They need to use the entire date instead of the year - instead of a silly 7.0.4.6.8.4.46.6.4.6.4.2 number, just call it Red Hat Linux 20000925, and when bugfixes come out tomorrow, it will be 20000926 - most drivers come like that, but the whole OS could stand to do that. Windows 2k service packs would be known by that - in fact, using their asinine 'Windows Update' feature to fix security glitches, it could just call your os 'Windows 20000910', because you have to security update every day.
Tell me what makes you so afraid
Of all those people you say you hate
Red Hat trying some tricks with versions????
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yogiBear
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In the announcement Red Hat is offering gcc 2.96,
glibc 2.2 and Acrobat Reader 5.0. All of those versions are slightly higher then the versions that we are used to. Is Red Hat abusing the fact that they are responsible for the GCC development? How come that they alone have those versions? There is something rotten in the state of Danemark..
Re:Does this package include a Perl update
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Rick+Richardson
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Pinstrip came with perl 5.6.0.
I found out the hard way that you don't want
perl 5.6.0. Lots of the CPAN stuff isn't available in RPM form for 5.6.0. I kept bumping into perl apps that I couldn't get the required
PMs for.
Any chance this kernel has support for PDC20265 ATA/100 IDE controllers built in? Or do I have to plug the drives into the other controller during install?
The 2.4.0-test series of kernels have drivers for the pdc20265, and apparently RH7.0 has a test image of the kernel, so there is a pretty decent chance the install will support the card. If not then I will be quite disapointed. I have been running with test7 and test8 for the last few weeks and I have found it to be very stable.
mirror: linux.engr.uark.edu
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gimpboy
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Without a CD burner is there anyway I can install this prior to it becoming available via retail channels? The machine I wanted to dedicate to Linux just arrived today as a matter of fact, and I've just gotten Redhat 5.2 installed on it to make sure it was running properly... so is there a way that I can mount the ISO image and update it, or am I more or less out of luck here?
I'm doubtful, since somehow it'd involve upgrading the kernel while the system is running, but if i hadn't said already, i'm a newbie... Email me if you can help me at all... Thanks!
If you have another computer you can just download all of the files instead of the iso, then share them via ftp, nfs, smb(they may have disabled this one). If you are running windows on your other machine, there are some ftp servers for windows. Otherwise if you have a large enough hard drive, copy all of the installation files to a partition on that drive, it should give you an option to read installation files from a partition. You may later use this partition for something else. Hope this helps.
Re:Without a CD burner?
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W.B.+Yeats
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If you have the room:
1. Download the iso.
2. In your RH 5.2 system mount the iso mount -t is09660/directory (make the director first)
3. Copy/directory to /
4. make a boot disk with dd if=boot.img of=/dev/fd0, or whatever
5. Boot with bootdisk and specify hd for source files/dev/hda1/directory
That's the general idea -- your setup will dictate settings.
Bon Chance!
--
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
Re:Guinness: An obvious attempt to win Linus' favo
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Lan-Z
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I used to use Redhat exclusively, now I use Mandrake exclusively. What advantages/disadvantagse do most people find when using Redhat versus Mandrake?
I started using Mandrake for the Pentium optimized compiles, but it appears that Redhat is doing that now. I also haven't paid much attention to what Redhat is doing in a while, but it seemed in the past that Mandrake released new versions of their rpms a little quicker, at least in the cooker distro.
I started using Mandrake for the Pentium optimized compiles, but it appears that Redhat is doing that now.
"Optimized for Pentium" used to be a gimmick with no substance - gcc 2.95 or egcs didn't yield much performance improvement (in the cases I tested long before joining Red Hat (CPU-intensive applications - number crunching) they were actually 1-2 % slower). pgcc could give some results, but was plagued with bugs.
The new Red Hat Linux contains a compiler with a brand new x86 backend (which means you should actually see some performance improvement) - and the programs are optimized for PentiumPro or higher, while maintaining compatibility for older CPUs.
It seemed in the past that Mandrake released new versions of their rpms a little quicker, at least in the cooker distro.
Mandrake's "cooker" isn't a stable distribution - it's a development tree, just like our Rawhide
Re:Is it worth the upgrade?
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billcopc
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Re:Redhat x.0 or x.1 -- wait and research...
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Nailer
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Red Hta has also been moving towards the file heirarchy system. In recent releases/usr/doc has moved to/usr/share/doc, and other changes have also occured. Perhaps we will soon see/etc/init.d in Red Hat or Mandrake sometime in the future?
This is a good thing on both Red Hat and Mandrakes part, and I'd like to see it elsewhere - especially those distributions that use/opt.
Maybe someone could givve me a hand,I'm using Redhat and am trying to install glide. I'm using 6.2 , I install all the glide frivers just fine, but the But the Glide_GDK (or something, its for developers, but they say I need it for Mesa) just
says "Will not install" for some reason.The teast 3dfx works fine in X, but won't run from a command propmt, it gives me an error that it can't find my V3 board.Then I try to install a game (soldgier of Fortune) to run in X, but it gives me an error that is can't find my openGL software, what do I need to do?
Could someone give me their e-mail that has experience with this so I can get some help?
Thanks
Re:Guinness: An obvious attempt to win Linus' favo
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Nailer
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> just to win the favor of Linux, OF COURSE.
Its nice to see others have difficulty typing `Linus' too, after getting used to finishing off any word that starts with `Linu' with an `x'.
Re:You know it's sad when...
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kennedy
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No, i'd rather actually know red hat 7.0 before they sell me as being able to support it.
Re:Yes sir
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Anonymous Coward
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Actually, they already have a copy..
BUT - they will release it at a specified time when Redhat asked them to..
There's probably a lot of truth in that, but Red Hat weren't doing Enlightenment any favors either by including 0.15.5 instead of 0.16.4. The current version is way, way, way better and more stable than 15.5. So I'm relly glad to see that they're finally distributing the new release. It still doesn't play all that well with gnome (or vice versa) however, but I don't really have a problem with that.
-- Admit nothing, deny everything and make counter-accusations.
Are you trying to follow the Solaris example with product names that change several times a year ("Solaris 7" and then "Solaris 8", etc.) or perhaps the Windows convention ("Windows 95" to "Windows 98" to "Windows 2000")?
Why not just call it "Red Hat Linux" and then specify a version OUTSIDE of the name of the product?
Or, include it in the product name to begin with, like you did with all the other versions.
You're not fooling anyone - we all know it's a buggy.0 release...;>
Re:Redhat x.0 or x.1 -- wait and research...
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Tsujigiri
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· Score: 1
I tend to agree with the idea of distros being more secure out of the box, but I look at it in a different way. You say that someone who expects a distro to be secure on install is asking to be rooted, but look at it the other way around.
If a distro installed with external ports closed it would mean that in order to access the system remotely you had to explicitly open that port. What's so bad about that? If you don't know how to open ports, it's a good bet that you probably should not be opening the port. Not everyone knows how to manage system security, not everyone want's to be able to ssh into their home machine from work, and if you can't enable the services you should probably learn more about system administration first.
I see it as a much more logical process to say:
Well this system is going to be an intranet server for the development team projects. I'll enable the ftp, http and ssh services.
Rather than:
Well this is a graphical workstation, now what services are running that I should disable?
By making people explicitly enable their services, you force them to think about what the system is to be used for, and they're less likely to leave a port open accidently (usually because they didn't realise it was open in the first place, or even existed).
Anyway, it's just my philosophy on setting up systems.
Something I have always wanted to see in RPM is the ability for it to detect stuff you have installed NOT THROUGH RPMS, eg when i go and compile mysql for example from source (because i want the latest versino etc), i would like then to be able to do a RPM thing to make the database relise its intsalled.. or something like that..
The other thing i think RPM needs is better -devel stuff.. Problems i've had, when i install some library (eg gtk or whatever) through RPM, some programs look for a file which gets installed with the source versino, but not with the RPM version.. hence i cant compile that program.. really anoying!
what? what? what are you talking about!
i run a GeForce2 GTS under linux w/x4.01.. I got the drivers from www.nvidia.com, they support awsome 3d stuff, eg 300fps in quake3 whilst playing. AND they are opensource, last time i checked you had to compile them, and you could edit the source if you really wanted to.. AND they are available for both 2.2 and 2.4 kernels!
pft.
Some of the upgrades have been painless. Others, well... My bet's somewhere in-between. As soon as it shows up (and I can get past the/. hordes), I'll pull it down and give it a whirl.
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Re:Guinness: An obvious attempt to win Linus' favo
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webcrafter
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Oh! I didn't know the name of this release, but I think I'm gonna switch to redhat again (I just moved to mandrake) just to have this 'guinness' release. That and the fact that having bought a brand new computer last week, mandrake's sndconfig doesn't seem to be able to configure the integrated soundcard.
Now, the only thing that I have to do is learn to use debian while in vmware...
Hmmm. When I was reading this is was kinda shocked...
I knew Sawfish as Sawmill. I have been using Mandrake 7.1 which comes with sawmill. I'm not really sure why they changed the name to sawfish, but they don't really need a reason.
Re:Redhat x dot zero releases
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Karmageddon
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either that or your analogy is a bit off
well, I think describing the front bumper as "riddled with bugs" would be an accurate description.
but if you want to persist with yours, bug finding has been described as a poisson process with the likelihood of when the next bug will be found most accurately described by the mean arrival time of the last few bugs. The more fresh kill on that bumper, the worse off you are.
Re:FYI: Last time I checked pinstripe in beta
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Nailer
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What about the advanced user who will never compile anything, or prefers source RPMs?
I look on package management as the primary was of maintaining a stable database of what is and isn't installed on my machine. Its easier to upgrade your system when this informstion is handy. Dependencies are sorted out easily [yay rpmfind and autorpm], I don't have to wait to install software, security is enhanced [its easy to find whats vulnerable when you know whats installed].
Does this package include a Perl update
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rellort
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Does anyone know what version of Perl will be shipping with this version of Red Hat? The last time I actually *bought* a Red Hat distro, the Perl version was a few revisions out of date. I updated it with no problems, but I hate having to do that kind of hand-updating and the RPM system makes it painful.
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Re:Does this package include a Perl update
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rodgerd
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Use the 7.0 Powertools CD - it has a large chunk of the common CPAN goodies in RPM form.
Re:Does this package include a Perl update
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bgaz
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When I installed Redhat 6.9.5 beta (pinstripe) a couple weeks ago it came with perl 5.6.0
-bgaz
FYI: Last time I checked pinstripe in beta
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linzeal
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Niether make nor gcc was installed on the "normal" option. Installing the dependencies of dependencies to get all that working was a pain in the ass.
Re:FYI: Last time I checked pinstripe in beta
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teg
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This was a bug, and has since been fixed (and it wasn't harder than pressing "install packages to satisfy dependencies" a couple of times.
Re:FYI: Last time I checked pinstripe in beta
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j-pimp
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Thats why you install developer. I personally recompile a good portion of the rpms from sources and mess a little with the spec files. But then again thays only when I'm admining a redhat Box Slackware is my Linux of choice but I like to stick with *BSD.
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Re:FYI: Last time I checked pinstripe in beta
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GypC
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I think RedHat "normal" is geared toward the casual user who will never compile anything, just install rpm's.
This is nice in theory, but everyone nedds to compile something sooner or later it seems... they should include the bare minimum for compiling a kernel, IMHO.
"Free your mind and your ass will follow"
Re:Is it worth the upgrade?
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josepha48
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First whoever moderated this is an butthole, but that is beside the point. The point is that this upgrade from 6.2 to 7.0 is not a real necessary upgrade.
"From YOUR perspective". There are some packages that have changed, and they have added more packages. I think they had to or at least felt that they had to add more packages that people commonly use. Look at SuSE they have way more packages then redhat. Look at debian they have way more than Redhat too. That is not a reason to upgrade.
This is not flamebait as the moderator thinks as well. This is a valid statement and slashdot should change there name to we suck dot!
only one person gave a reason to upgrade. RPM breaks some packages. Well fine, but once again someone decidede that backwards compatibility was not necessary. They changed the rpm database and now you cant use rpm 3 to upgrade to rpm 4. If slashdot is going to continue to use idiots to do moderation then maybe it is time for the community to start leaving we suck dot.
I don't want a lot, I just want it all!
Flame away, I have a hose!
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Re:RedHat 7.0 Test Drive
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Test+Drive
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The RedHat 7.0 system I mentioned earlier is now online and accessible. Go to http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/ to get all the details and register for a free shell account.
For our primary use (being a wm with gnome), 0.16.4 was too bloated (re-implementing all the gnome functionality).
Now that we're using a different wm for gnome, updating is ok.
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I am a little nervous to upgrage to RedHat 7 (from 6.2) My 6.2 version is running great. I have prority ftp access with them so I guess I will download it today.
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Re:Guinness: An obvious attempt to win Linus' favo
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wobblie
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Ok, this is normal that ftp.redhat.com is full. But I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that metalab/ibiblio is FULL - now this has NEVER happened to me before.
Remember that Red Hat these days are also Cygnus, who have always had their own commercially supported gcc releases in parallel with the official FSF.
I have no doubt this new Red Hat released gcc is at least as good as the official FSF released gcc the other distributers bundle. It is probably even better. Which in itself is scary for several reasons:
1. Calling it gcc 2.96 is certain to cause confusion, as evident by this thread.
2. It gived Red Hat an advantage over the other Linux distributors, which could be seen as unfair.
3. It might encourage other distributors to include gcc snapshots in order to seem competitive. But they don't have the same Cygnus derived competance, so they are more likely to screw up, and different gcc snapshot, maybe all called gcc 2.96, and maybe with binary incompatible C++ libraries, is bound to create chaos.
So I'd have prefered that Red Hat bundled the FSF released gcc as the default compiler, and had the "Cygnus" compiler as a different product (pehaps also bundled, but clearly separate, and not default).
under the releases, there is a guiness directory,
that is where I have been downloading it from, since before the slashdot announcement. Not surprisingly, the transfer rate has dropped about 20 k/s since then.. I haven't found a single mirror with it yet though.. I guess they will make a redhat-7.0 directory soon enough.
-- XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
Integrated with the Red Hat Network.
Since it's already slashdotted, care to enlighten us as to what this is all about? I'm wary of the name already -- it's way too close MSN...
It's a way of administering and monitoring your systems - the base service is for it to notify you when any of the rpms on your systems has been updates, and install that. Later on, we're planning to add enterprise features. The basic service is intended to be free, while we will sell higher level services including support.
(on rpm 4) Which gives us what benefits over 3.x?
It has some code in it to handle multiple architectures on the same system (IA64 can use IA32 binaries, same situation for SPARC/UltraSPARC), it is based on db3 and has transaction support, it has new standard macros and build policies and many internal changes. Probably more I don't know of (i.e. not highly visible)
I agree Enlightenment 15.5 with GNOME was not the best experience. But, you've got to remember RedHat has been distributing really old versions of E all the way up to and including RH6.2 (and I don't know yet what version they are using for 7.0). The current version of E is 16.4. It's not Rasterman's fault that RedHat couldn't get its act together. E16.4 seems really snappy and stable. I've just decided to use E alone without GNOME, which for me, is a better solution than GNOME without E. If you haven't tried E recently (or only tried RH's old RPM), I'd recommend giving 16.4 a shot.
I'm not sure if RH had any intentional reasons for not including more recent versions of E (malicious or not). Is RH just slack, or do they still have an axe to grind with Raster...?
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the spdif (true digital) cards don't suck. the midiman series of spdif cards (DiO 2448, 2496) are 100% perfect - as long as you use an external DAC (digital to analog converter). fyi.
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The Soundblaster AWE had spdif also, it's not like this is some sort of advanced interface whose presence represents some degree of quality. The availability of this interface does not preclude the introduction of jitter and other forms of digital distortion into the bitstream, particularly on low-end sound cards. For those who connect a $300 external DAC to their $25 Mitsumi CDROM and think they are hearing accurate signal reproduction... it might be time to analyze the entire signal path, digital inclusive.
Maru
Re:Are there any copies on mirrors yet?
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motardo
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I don't know yet what version they are using for 7.0
We are shipping 0.16.4 - the reason for not upgrading earlier were bugginess, poor integration with gnome and reimplementaion of features in gnome in the newer releases: We needed something which worked as well as possible with gnome. Now that sawfish does that job (and works better than Enlightenment ever did in that role), Enlightenment has been upgraded.
Re:Here, but not to download?
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TheTomcat
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I saw Redhat 7.0 beta on my local FTP at LEAST a week ago. I suspect that's what was being reviewed.
Re:Redhat x.0 or x.1 -- wait and research...
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dew
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Those who merely install Linux and expect it to be secure deserve to get rooted.
Technosnobbery in general is abhorrent, but to see someone like you refusing to even acknowledge that perhaps a distribution could be shipped secure out-of-the-box additionally reflects ignorance.
Distributions should be friendly, easy-to-use, and informative. They should instruct where necessary (i.e., 'Turning on this option will let anyone remotely read the directories you've specified. Are you sure you want to do this?') and be as secure as possible.
Why hasn't anyone done an OpenBSD-style audit on the Linux source base? There, at least, they know a thing or two about shipping a secure distribution. Instead of making fun of their users they simply provide them with the world's most secure operating system out-of-the box, no questions asked.
The short of it? Distros can and should be secure out-of-the box and any potentially insecure operations should be accompanied by links to the latest literature. Users should be informed about security updates instead of having to actively discover patches, with an option for one-click upgrades (e.g., 'The FTP server you're running has just been updated. Your version contains a serious security hole. Would you like to update it now?'). These things are possible.
Don't make fun of users for wanting a good product.
if I'm gonna give RH7 a try for a while. My brother uses RedHat extensively, and I usually wait till he gets his machine upgraded before I go diving in. Besides, I prefer to slack...
-- I'm on a chair.
Re:Redhat x.0 or x.1 -- wait and research...
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Wakko+Warner
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Technosnobbery in general is abhorrent, but to see someone like you refusing to even acknowledge that perhaps a distribution could be shipped secure out-of-the-box additionally reflects ignorance.
All I'm saying is that to assume a machine will be perfectly secure right after installation is a bit retarded. Once you network a machine, no matter what OS it runs, you open yourself up to whatever remote security holes existed in that OS at the time it was pressed to CD. Unless you continually update it, you're at risk. A truly "secure" distribution of any OS wouldn't allow its users to network it, or, if it did, wouldn't start any services that could possibly be accessed remotely. How useless would a Linux box be if it couldn't be accessed remotely?
- A.P.
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-- "Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
For all the wonderful things all you wish for, try and look on CD2. They have KDE2 Preview, 2.4.0 Kernels, and many other new things that are included on the CD, but not part of the main install.
The KDE 1.93 RPMS are located on the second CD in the/preview directory. They are not installed by default, nor are they supported by Red Hat. Why 1.93? Because that was what was available when the CD went gold. Can't please everyone I guess.
You will also find other interesting (and unsupported) things in the/perview directory, like a 2.4 kernel (Use at your own risk!)
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Re:Guinness: An obvious attempt to win Linus' favo
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Taos
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That makes me wonder. Is there a Guinness theme for sawfish? Will all of my windows have a nice frothy head that will get stuck in my beard? Or maybe I will have to wait a few minutes before I can use the Guinness OS while the bubbles (hard drives) are still churning.
It's my favorite beer as well. They may not get Linus, but it's enough to lure me in. Especially if they get that Guinness theme with it.
It has some code in it to handle multiple architectures on the same system (IA64 can use
IA32 binaries, same situation for SPARC/UltraSPARC)
Excellent. That's been another of my problems. I'd like to be able to install
x86 RPMS on my Sparc Linux server (they're available over NFS to the x86 boxen).
At the moment I have to either compile from source or kick
RPM into doing it against its will...
-- "The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." -- Delos B. McKown
Re:Is it worth the upgrade?
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Helge+Hafting
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Bah. Only reason I run redhat at work is that I can't get FreeBSD to *stop* detecting the integrated i810 so the XFree SVGA server will start using the voodoo3 I have in there instead.
On some PCs, you can disable onboard peripherals (NIC, sound, video, etc.) in the BIOS. Have you tried this?
Disabling stuff - such an odd way. Why not simply select the wanted card when starting X? There should need to disable the other.
Re:A nonexistent compiler... excellent.
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teg
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That's odd. I've been a minor (very minor, mind you) GCC contributor for a while, and I could have sworn that 2.96 doesn't actually exist.
The actual release is marked gcc version 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.0) .
It is tagged in the trees, and will be supported by the former cygnus(which is now part of Red Hat, including the gcc engineers). We've put a lot of work into making this a stable, high-performance compiler and so far it looks like one.
Re:Anti-RH Conspiracy Theory
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bero-rh
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Actually the stuff has been merged back into the tree for quite a while.
Red Hat is not Microsoft.
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(read: waste your time)
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shaldannon
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I guess you'd rather spend all your time configuring the system to the exclusion of doing anything productive. I prefer to actually get something done with my system besides editing config files all day.
if ($user =~ m/shaldannon/i) {
print "\n-- $user:)\n"
}
A nonexistent compiler... excellent.
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devphil
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a new and binary incompatible libstdc++ (gcc 2.96; some ABI changes were required to support more C++ features)
That's odd. I've been a minor (very minor, mind you) GCC contributor for a while, and I could have sworn that 2.96 doesn't actually exist.
In fact, I believe that "2.96" is the name given to the current series of snapshots, which are known to be incomplete and not fully working and missing documentation, because if you're using a snapshot, it is assumed that you don't need all the documentation, you know what's working and what isn't, etc, etc.
Why did RH choose to use an unstable compiler as the default for a major distro? I can't wait to see all the crap on the gcc-bugs mailing list, from people using an incomplete compiler.
-- You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
Re:A nonexistent compiler... excellent.
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devphil
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gcc version 2.96 20000731
Yah, exactly. The YYYYMMDD designation is given to snapshots, not releases. The GCC folks are very careful to distinguish between the two. This marks a compiler as being incomplete...
...which still doesn't answer my question of why RH chose to use a snapshot instead of the latest release? (Note the terms, please.) The current goal is to have 3.0 out around year's end, two months from now; why not just wait until then?
-- You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
Re:A nonexistent compiler... excellent.
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teg
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Sure it exists - a date is part of the usual GNUPro tools, and we didn't use to have it there: We added it since our GCC engineers asked for it.
(and we've added quite a few patches to that release).
In some places in this country, you go and you pay taxes on food and on books, but you don't pay taxes on what you buy on the Internet. Even though the small businesses in this country are the ones that support the charity and fiber of the community. It's really not fair.
Personally, I like not having Internet purchases taxed. Heck, it's one of the few things that isn't taxed...yet.
This is one of the things I may slightly disagree with him on. But I agree almost exactly with everything else he says, so it's a little thing to forgive. I wouldn't mind paying a bit of sales tax on my internet purchases to have global social justice.
I got the drivers from www.nvidia.com, they support awsome
3d stuff, eg 300fps in quake3 whilst playing. AND they are opensource, last time i checked you had to compile them, and you could edit the source
if you really wanted to..
Take a look at the "source", and you'll find that lots of it is binary only - everything but the kernel module.
RedHat 5.2 was supposedly "kernel 2.2 ready", and still needed a horrendous update procdeure to get there... Although, to be fair, 2.2 was a nasty upgrade experience all around.
Considering everything in RedHat 7.0 is built against the 2.4 headers, it should be painless. I know that I can get a 2.4 running on 6.2 simply. Just update modutils(With the one from 7) and build the source. bingo, we've got 2.4. treke
that isn't really a concern -- with a current glibc and such, the upgrade to 2.4.0-testX has been painless for me on my redhat 6.2 system. I would expect that 7.0 is ready for 2.4 so that when a stable version is released, you'll be able to just download the source or (ick) an rpm and install it no sweat.
I'm not sure of the level of previous Japanese support, but we have a great team in Japan working on improving it.
How much of RawHide made it into 7.0?
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danpbrowning
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What parts of Rawhide have been left out of 7.0? None? From everything I've read, it looks like this will be the most stable RH release ever. It's great to have support for the new Mylex RAID cards (AcceleRAID 352) with the new 2.2.17. I'll also enjoy testing 2.4.x
-- Daniel
Re:Redhat x.0 or x.1 -- wait and research...
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Coplan
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I'm not saying that a distro should be 100% secure out of box...but at least it should have that option if I choose to. Mandrake has different security levels...but they do say that you'll want to customize to suit your needs. The truth is, security is like a well fitting suit -- you gotta tweak to make it fit your needs. My only argument is that in many cases, I don't know what steps to take to make my server more secure. The more there is for me to do, the more possibility that I can screw it up. Basically, Mandrake offers at least a starting point from where I can tweak, and hopefully end up with a secure system. All that because I started pretty secure. Better than makeing me secure a box with all ports and defenses open -- because I wouldn't know where to begin.
You bring up some very good points -- and I totally agree.
Also, since I know there are distro wars out there, please realize that i'm not bashing everything that is not Mandrake. But that is what I know -- aside from RedHat and SuSE. My statements are only for example -- as I'm sure some other distro out there might have a similar setup.
Re:What will it do to Helix Gnome?
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teg
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It will update it, of course - it has a lot of fixes, are integrated with Red Hat Linux and is compiled against the libraries we ship.
...the marketing dept puts out an add telling the world your company supports red hat 7.0 *before* it's released.
Re:You know it's sad when...
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Anonymous Coward
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So you would prefer that companies get a look at the hardware/software at the same time that Joe/Josephine user gets it. Then users buy the the new product and complain that all of the other hardware/software on the market is not compatible?
Re:What will it do to Helix Gnome?
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teg
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I'd like to know how this release supports 3Dfx chipset
If you look in the preview directory, you will find Glide and the 3dfx DRI interface. Install, and 3D acceleration should work. It works on a test banshee, and Dale has been playing Quake3 on a Voodoo5 in 1600x1200 so it does work somewhat.
Re:Parsec & Redhat 7.0
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pete-classic
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Check again. Try the downloads section.
Local server in Vienna, and a couple of mirrors (looks like in the US) (for Linux x86)
Do don't say what arch you are looking for. Maybe you are taking your UltraSPARC to the lan party?
It's there you just have to look!
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EyesWideOpen
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The directory structure leaves a little to be desired but search and ye shall find. It looks like the Red Hat 7.0 ISO's can be found here:
ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/releases/guinness/ iso/
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Re:Large File support (2GB)
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bero-rh
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You don't even need kernel 2.4 - we're also including the kernel for the Enterprise Edition (kernel-enterprise-*rpm) which has the LFS patch.
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Getting out of the number game would be good - e.g. some people could fooled into believing that Mandrake is newer and more uptodate than the current Red Hat. E.g., I've seen some people here say that Mandrake released their 7.0 a long time ago and now are at 7.1
Re:University thought RedHat mirror was a DOS Atta
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TexasCowboy23
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I'm here laughing my ass off. This has to be the funniest story I've read. Don't take offense; it's not funny as an event, but it seems to me that Microsoft has right to be scared of Linux. If that connection was pumping out 20mbps, I'm wondering just how many active users there were at that time? *lol*
-- Seth Anderson
BTW, I'm not 23 anymore -- I am TexasCowboy26 now. =)
yep. I took a look at it. I was not impressed. The features that are offered by E seemingly surpass those of Sawfish. I am not into LISP programming... I just want the damn thing to be useful and have a nice look. I have enough processor speed to waste and enough ram to waste so that E's normally slow pace doesn't have an affect on me. Now my opinion is justified.:)
matter of opinion. E is the best, I have never even heard of Sawfish. As far as I am concerned GNOME can take a leap off a bridge too.
- Bill
Re:It still isn't good as windows
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shibboleth
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I can verify that Netscape 4.75 on Redhat 6.2 crashes on my 128Mb RAM Dell Pentium II crashes frequently and clicking its address book is a guaranteed crash.
-- "Be thankful you are not my student. You would not get a high grade for such a design:-)" - Minix pro
Why bother to rush? All the software contained therein has been available for ages anyway. If you really needed it you would have upgraded it manually by now. Beats me why anyone bothers.
I'm going to upgrade so I can start fresh. When I first started using Linux full-time a year ago, I was a newbie, so I did a lot of stuff that, if I knew then what I know now, I sure as hell wouldn't have done. As well, I have a rather ugly mishmash of new packages and old cruft from Red Hat 7.0 that somehow works just fine, thank you very much. I just want to clean it all up in one fell swoop while taking advantage of some newer features with a bit more knowledge and wisdom under my belt than before.
Another reason is that I'm pretty sure newer RPMs from RedHat's rawhide dir are no longer compatible with older distros - they're being compiled using a new version of glibc. If I install it (and I've tried), every other program on the computer complains. I'm not sure if RH7 uses the new glibc, but better safe than sorry. (Or maybe bero-rh would like to enlighten me:)... At this point, it will be easier to upgrade to 7 and install whatever updated packages I need - despite the whinging of some (ok, most) people, RPMs aren't hell to upgrade, especially if you make liberal use of RPMfind.
Hell, maybe I should have just installed Mandrake. Or gone over to Slackware.
Ain't choice grand?:) -------------
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Waaayy off-topic: Alcohol in Guinness
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Loligo
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As we venture further into the off-topic world...
>In California, you can't legally advertise a
>product as "beer" if it has higher than a
>certain percentage of alcohol.
Texas has the same rules (over x% is "malt liquor").
Unfortunately, the argument that Guinness violates that alcohol barrier doesn't hold up.
Stateside Guinness draught is only about 4% by volume. Stouts in general tend to have a lower alcohol content than the common American pseudo-pilsners.
Bud is 4.6%, Michelob 4.95%, even Natural Light has 4.2%.
So if those things are "beer" (in the legal definition of the word, not my definition), then Guinness certainly is.
Try using mpg123.
I had a similar problem on my sisters P75 and using mpg123 from an xterm did the trick. You can set it as the default player for napster etc.
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Re:Redhat x.0 or x.1 -- wait and research...
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Anonymous Coward
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Why hasn't anyone done an OpenBSD-style audit on the Linux source base?
For two very obvious reasons; which one applies depends on who the "anyone" is. If it's "a distribution vendor," the answer is the Microsoft answer - customers don't care enough to make doing so a profitable venture. If it's "an independent volunteer or team," the answer is "it's too much work for too little reward." Security is hard work. Perfect security is impossible. And, quite frankly, the talent and dedication needed to do the kind of full source audit that has occurred in OBSD land is incredibly scarce. Not to mention that fact that OBSD is single-source, single-version, which makes distribution-scale changes much easier to manage. I haven't stopped using Linux just because OBSD's model has some significant advantages. But I have stopped using it on uniprocessor Intel boxes (hint to OBSD: deliver SMP sparc64 support and Linux lands in the toilet as far as production systems go). GNU/Linux distros move faster; OBSD moves in sync. It depends on what you want.
There's another issue here as well: most GNU/Linux distros are of a quality I would place somewhere between "very poor" and "disgraceful." Red Hat post-4.2 has consistently rated less than 3 on my somewhat subjective 1-10 scale, and I would give all the 6.x releases a 2.0 or less. Debian at least has the virtue of a moderately powerful installer, but suffers from a BSD-like release schedule without the advantages; the software included with the latest release is already obsolete. Debian earns a 3.5, mostly for effort and commitment to Freedom. SuSe loses several points just for using RPM, a hopelessly inadequate package management system, and several more for their installer. The bright spot here is internationalization, but with the resources Red Hat has playing catch-up, I'd say that won't last. YAST sucks. SuSe earns a 2.2. Sorry, guys. Mandrake is trying to reinvent itself as not-just-another-RedHat-derivative, with some success. Unfortunately, as bad as Red Hat is, every change Mandrakesoft makes only makes their distro worse. The installer makes installing Windows look like a cake walk, and pgcc helps little, especially for non-i386 folks. They do worst of all, scoring about a 1.5. Slackware is a breath of fresh air in terms of simplicity and purity of code base, but their lack of support for non-i386 knocks them down from about a halfhearted 5.5 to a 3.0.
Where does that leave us? Somewhere in between OBSD and a build-it-yourself Linux-based system. I just don't want to fight with uninstalling GNOME (nigh on impossible in RH-based distros), mysterious and unnecessary patches to software that works fine from the main FTP site, or wacked-out efforts to make programs compiled against incompatible and archaic C libraries run on the latest releases. I want an installer that installs only what I tell it to and nothing more, and I don't want to have to fight with it to make that happen. I want a distro I can rebuild from source - the same source for all architectures, and at the same time even (all the world is not i386, guys; Red Hat, Slackware, I'm looking in your direction). In short, what I really want is a BSD-style distro that moves at GNU/Linux speed. Can it be done? Sure - the BSD people have already shown us how. It's called the Ports collection. Build and install from source, minimal patches, architecture-independence for all sane packages. The core system packages are surprisingly few and a team of 5-7 full-timers could easily keep them and the package management core up to date from CVS repositories. The only trick becomes getting the binary development environments for each platform up to snuff and keeping them there. It can be done, but I doubt it will. Debian feels incorrectly that they've already got a winning system, as do the BSD folks - who are a lot closer to being right, and the GNU/Linux distro vendors are too busy fretting over their latest balance sheets to care what customers want. The big Linux party's over, kids, and now I only want to know one thing: who's going to clean up this mess?
oh, ok.. my mistake.. But why does that stop you from including it in RH7.. Because alot of "linux newbies" will have Nvidia cards.. Theyll open up and install RH7 (there first linux install) and see that X doesnt work (at all with GeForce2 and in 3d in other cards) and theyll say to themselves "how crap, im not using this!" and run back to (i hate to say this word) MS Windows.
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I really think that you guys should consider using some non-opensource software if it means alot of people have alot easier ride..
Re:University thought RedHat mirror was a DOS Atta
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Vairon
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I know I've been laughing about it ever since
it happened. It'd be like slashdot being called
a DOS attack.
Is it worth the upgrade?
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josepha48
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It may be worth trying out if you have not tried out Redhat before, but if you are upgrading your system it may not be worth it.
I am wondering right now weather it is worth the upgrade. So far I have not seen them get an uypgrade 'right'. Don't get me wrong, I use Redhat. I am wondering if it is really worth the upgrade or not. In looking at what they have now, they have GNOME 1.2. WEll I have the helix code updates. Do I need Redhat? (NO I think not). They have rpm 4.0. What is better in rpm 4 than in 3? They have XFree 4.0. That would be great if I need the hardware. So if you have a newer card you may want to think about 4.0. MY hardware is old (Old S3 Virage card). New kde.
Hmm I'll wait till 2.0. Lots of updates. php 4.0.1 would be nice to upgrade to.
Hmm Perl 5.6. Perl 5.6 is supposed to have threads, but there's probably WONT! I put in a bug report a while ago and said that they have the man page for Perl Threads, but you can not use threads. They should either get ride of the man page or implement threads in perl. They looked it over and there reply was that they would not implement threads because they would have to recompile oh so many packages. They never said anything about just getting ride of the man page either. Can someone confirm that the Redhat 7.0 does not have perl threads?
I don't want a lot, I just want it all!
Flame away, I have a hose!
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Only 'flamers' flame!
Re:Is it worth the upgrade?
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scrytch
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Perl threads are terrifically unstable. I don't blame them for turning "there's" off. I still have some issues with 5.6 in other areas too, which is one reason I've stuck with 5.005_03. Threads are off in the standard build of perl as well.
Bah. Only reason I run redhat at work is that I can't get FreeBSD to *stop* detecting the integrated i810 so the XFree SVGA server will start using the voodoo3 I have in there instead.
-- I've finally had it: until slashdot gets article moderation, I am not coming back.
Re:Is it worth the upgrade?
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itsbruce
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They have rpm 4.0. What is better in rpm 4 than in 3?
Apart from the fact that version 4 rpms are unreadable by rpm 3?
That makes it a pig running a mixed (some upgrade, some not) system and the fact that they've done it again is what finally made me convert to Debian.
The design of Linux makes version-mania totally unnecessary so why are the commercial distributions so keen to reinvent it? It's as sensless as those people who buy the boxed set of every point release and then boast about it (must be cheaper to get "Sucker" tatooed on your forehead).
Re:Is it worth the upgrade?
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Frater+219
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Bah. Only reason I run redhat at work is that I can't get FreeBSD to *stop* detecting the integrated i810 so the XFree SVGA server will start using the voodoo3 I have in there instead.
On some PCs, you can disable onboard peripherals (NIC, sound, video, etc.) in the BIOS. Have you tried this?
Re:Is it worth the upgrade?
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itsbruce
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Re:Is it worth the upgrade? Second, a lot of changes have been made "under-the-hood" in RPM in the past couple of years. 3.x has stood the test of time for
quite a while (two major version release cycles) and even now, at version 4.0, still has a way to go
That's a rather contradictory statement. Several years of RPM use, including rolling my own srpms, has only convinced me that its only virtue is its simplicity (and that isn't always a virtue).
I'll skip over most of the last point, but I will point out that if you use RH services and support, it's a great deal to but a new OS
every 6 mos. and get support for the life of that product (read: 6 mos.) for only $80 or so. That's only $13-14 a month for full OS
support on your desktop. Not too shabby...
The support that RH actually offer for that money is worse than shabby, it's plain criminal.
Re:Is it worth the upgrade?
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Anonymous Coward
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> They have rpm 4.0. What is better in rpm 4 than in 3?
Actually, RPM 4 (or at least RPM 3.0.5, the last one of the 3.x RPMs I could find) breaks some
things. For example, try compiling the ssh 1.2.30 source RPM using RPM 3.0.5. It'll fail to build, because the new RPM compresses manual pages and then can't find the files in the %file list.
It's all about timing: Redhat, Slackware, Debian
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Water+Paradox
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Being that I was going to make a decision and download one of those three in the next few days, and being that I like the number seven so much, the decision is finalized by sheer timing, and after twelve years of being a simple user of unix, I'm starting out in administration as a Redhat guy. Hello, world.:-)
-Water Paradox
I upgraded to RH7 and no my backspace is broken...
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KlomDark
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I dunno what the deal is, or how to fix it - Neither my backspace or my delete key work now. The only way to backspace is by hitting CTRL-H. Seems pretty simple, can anyone point me in the right direction on how to fix it?
The site says it won't be available for download until tomorrow.
I am currently downloading the second ISO image. It's available today.
-- You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
University thought RedHat mirror was a DOS Attack
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Vairon
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I'm one of the sysadmin's for linux.engr.uark.edu, one of the 'www.redhat.com/mirrors.html' mirrors. This morning I placed 3 iso's on the server. Within hours, the server had a load average of 26.0, and was pumping out 20mbps of data.
* Note: Our University only has a 20Mbps connection to Internet 1 and a 155Mbps connection to Internet 2.
By the time the network admin's at the University level found out which segment the 20mbps was coming from, they just shut it down assuming it was a DOS attack. Namely they shutdown 7 engineering departments. Thankfully, once I explained to them what it was, they turned the connection back on, but asked me to limit it to 3-5mbps.:(
New Mirror in New Brunswick CANADA
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slippy51
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not usually no.. RC5 fills up the processors when I am not doing anything. I don't need to do much do I? I don't spend 100% of my time on my computer. I go out and get wasted:-) Now that, that is a way to waste time;)
It's been a big mess here... All SAMBA configurations stopped working,
the JDK (Sun version 1.2.2-006) segfaults every time I try to use it, more weirdness...
I did a backup, and wiped the drive, then installed clean, and still cannot get
JDK 1.2.2 still doesn't work. My main use is as a Java development box,
so it's either go back to RH6.2 or Mandrake 7.1 for me. I think I'll go
Mandrake... It seems better done...
Re:I'd say don't do it...
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KlomDark
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I did get JDK 1.3 (RC1) working, but what's the deal with JDK 1.2.2??
Actually made it through on the 10th try!
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ChodaBoy
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After only ten tries, I got through to redhat's ftp and started downloading the iso's (five of them).
A bit of advice though, don't look for the iso's in the 7.0/iso directory, they are empty links. Look under/pub/redhat/releases/guiness/iso
And be patient:)
-- ChodaBoy - The preceding statement is the product of a deranged mind and the sole property of the voices in my head.
Re:What will it do to Helix Gnome?
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daemonc
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Well, so long as it doesn't break all the dependencies that is fine with me. The next question is: Will Helix Update work with the new version of RPM? I'm sure Helix Code will release a version of the Updater for RedHat 7 in the near future, but there have been some updates in the last couple of days that I would like to get. Then again, by the time my CD gets here they probably will have updated it for 7. Damn, that's what I love about free software.
-- All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream.
I find that AFC Archvile makes a good point about how Linux does segmentation faults. His argument that Linux is worse than Windows 2000 is right on, because without a big fat connection to the Internet, where do you send core dumps?
Also Red Hat shouldn't make Linux proprietary like that. Version 7, what will they think of next? AFC Archvillie, if that's your real name, I'm with you.
This file contains the MD5sums of the completed iso downloads.
be0e50204f84dd7b5b22e455afc85b49 7.0-i386-docs-8bit.iso
e34d12479366b8bee34a952e969f6c3b 7.0-i386-SRPMS.iso
626b7d18033e320c27c8cd58cc37a288 7.0-i386-disc1.iso
c9899d398ca675c1e80a7bdb68d701bf 7.0-i386-disc2.iso
cce425867c0130772cafd482c8a274da 7.0-i386-powertools.iso
The story I heard about two years ago was it had to do with the owner of Red Hat having his grandfathers red hat stolen from him,.. or something like that.
Re:Not on any of the mirrors
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Yeah, since it came out today, and they sink every 24 hrs usually, I wouldn't think so. Still, it would have been kind of them to coordinate that with their mirrors. Unless of course the good poeple at Red Hat really really really want you to buy the $60 boxed set! Is that on a 24 hr lag too?;)
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As I wrote, we do ship a newer version and we certainly was aware of newer versions of Enlightenment. It didn't fit well with GNOME, so we chose not to ship it with Red Hat Linux 6.2. However, now that is primarily a standalone wm and not part of a integrated whole, we could upgrade it.
As for 2.2.17 - note that the 2.2.16-3 errata kernel and the kernel shipped with Red Hat Linux 7.0 already contains most of the changes between 2.2.16 and 2.2.17, and many other patches.
We don't upgrade components inbetween releases unless we need to - a distribution is a tested whole, and if we started upgrading all the components all the time, much of the integration testing is wasted and it would be hard to target the distribution for software, services, support etc. since it would be less certain what the system was running.
Let's see, there's JavaScript, Daikatana, CueCat, RealPlayer G2, RealJukebox, Fusion GS 2.1, Java servlets, and almost everything that isn't hardware related at freshmeat.net. That seems to be the breeding ground of all the programmers that are the epitome of my sig.
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My dream project is building a soundcard that doesn't suck
the spdif (true digital) cards don't suck. the midiman series of spdif cards (DiO 2448, 2496) are 100% perfect - as long as you use an external DAC (digital to analog converter).
fyi.
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Re:so did 5000 other people doof.
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It's like the secret of why the company is called "Red Hat"*, which (until recently) was a fairly well-guarded tidbit known mostly to those who owned really, really old Red Hat releases.
Um... I haven't heard this before. Why is it called Red Hat?? (You did say until recently, I assume that you know.)
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Like hell they are. Apache 2.0 is still in alpha versions, and the 2.4 kernal still has file system corruption issues.
Ignorant suckah, ain't he?
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I don't think he realizes that good cards are out there, they just can't be found in HIS consumer-electronic crap computers. Event Electronics Layla, Gina, and Darla, come to mind, as do your suggestions, and Lexicon, Digidesign, and other pro audio cards are indeed very nice.
Of course, idiots don't know that, but this goes without saying.
Red Hat Linux 7.0 is far more uptodate than Slackware 7, Mandrake 7.1 etc - our version number is there to say what is and what isn't binary compatible. Some of the others just play the number game (Mandrake, Slackware), SuSE seems to have their own versioning instead of just upping their number(I'm not sure what it is yet...) and Debian also has their own versioning.
new 2.2ish glibc
new gcc compiler, with performance enhancements
openssl, openssh
Integrated with the Red Hat Network. The base service is free.
optimized for PentiumPro or higher, while maintaining backwards compatibility
XFree 4, with accelerated 3D support for some cards. Many XFree 3.x servers used for stability reasons, but they also work with GLX.
RPM 4
USB support for mice and keyboard (the rest is included as is)
Gnome 1.2 (seems to have less bugs than helix)
preview of KDE 2 and 2.4 kernel
FHS layout
QT 2.2
And probably more features I'm just taking for granted now...
The distro that doesn't get in your way doesn't try to do things for you. It just does what you tell it.
... and has a horribly obsolete system of init scripts, and lets you leave the remains of packages installed from source tarballs all over your system;)
Actually, I got hooked on linux with slackware but shy away from it now. Recently installed 7.0 to take a peek and see what's new, and found... new packages! Nothing really new in the base install, etc. And pkgtool is, hrm, rather broken imho. I like RPM, but what I like even more is BSD's ports collections. As easy as 'cd/usr/ports/category/appname;make;make install'. Just 'make deinstall' to wipe it out. Always compiled from source, too unlike most RPMs (SRPM's excluded).
Redhat x.0 or x.1 -- wait and research...
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General rule of thumb (and I do this with any distribution of Linux, and even with other OS's like Windows), never jump at the first new version of anything. Wait to see what others have to say, and wait to see what kind of bugs need to be ironed out.
With Redhat, they have a tradition of having insecure x.0 releases -- and though the x.1 releases are better, typically they come around by x.2. I can't remember the article, but there was an article on Slashdot not too long ago which showed data about the security issues behind each release of given linux distribution. I didn't create this information out of nowhere...I had help. =)
Anyhow, i'm more interested in how this will impact Mandrake. I say that only because of the close relation between Mandrake and Redhat. Will the two start to spread apart now, Mandrake forming its own identity? Or will Mandrake make efforts to remain as close to Redhat as they already are?
I've been dying to get RH7.0 for one reason: Parsec.
According to this page the european RH7.0 version will include a playable demo (lan party beta release as they call it) with 50 MB of mp3 music aswell. Now what I want to know is will parsec be included in the iso(s) that are free for download? If anybody with insight could give some input on this I'd love to hear it.
And yes, I *HAVE* checked parsec for downloads. And no, there are none.
Hope this isn't too offtopic, but I'm dying to try parsec. Also wouldn't mind trying RH7.0, but that is not the main reason for me to upgrade;>
Shame on them for not putting Bind 9 in. It has been out for 2 weeks now. wtf.
Hey there:) I assume you mean to say that they shouldn't be putting in such an untested piece of software in a "stable" distribution.
Just out of curiosity, how long have you been using Bind 9.0? I betcha the first thing that ran through your head was, "Well, they can't have been using it for more than two weeks!" Hey, this Bind is Open Source. No reason why they couldn't have been using it ever since the development for 9.0 started. You don't know how stable they've made their implementation - Red Hat 7.0 isn't even out yet, so I don't see how you can know. Don't be so judgemental.
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Haha, they put glibc 2.2 and gcc 2.96 in (both still beta) and you're talking about putting untested software in a stable distribution??? Take your own advice.:)
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Re:Not on any of the mirrors
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>and they sink every 24 hrs usually
Wet servers are never a good thing...
s/sink/sync/
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Re:Redhat x.0 or x.1 -- wait and research...
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FYI the slashdot post was here and the article it pointed to is here. --
This strikes me as a perfect *legal* application for gnutella. I'm grabbing it now and am gonna put it up.
Re:gnutella
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Anonymous Coward
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Well excuse me, but what kind of moron would download an operating system using gnutella? I'd feel safer installing Windows 95 and MS's Personal Web Server...
We're setting up a test drive of RedHat 7.0 in the Compaq Test Drive program today. It should be available this afternoon - we'll post an announcement on our main page when it is. Once it's ready, you'll be able to get a free shell account on it by going to our web site and registering. You'll be able to explore what the new release is like and try compiling your code against it without having to download and install it on your own system.
Does anyone else find it amusing that on the RH site,
they're announcing RH7.0 while at the same time, they're running a
sidebar ad urging "Get Red Hat Linux 6.2"?
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Re:Not on any of the mirrors
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The 2.2 kernel has been out for over a year already
And Red Hat 6.x has been using 2.2.y kernels for a long time now.
NcFTP, symlinks and auto-resume
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NcFTP will NOT auto-resume from the symlinks, because the file size is not returned properly.
So, be sure to go to the source directory (I.E./pub/redhat/releases/guinness/i386/iso) to resume, or you'll start over again (480M of download down the drain...)
Midiman may make good stuff, but avoid their lower end. The DMAN PCI card is a Crystal 4614 (same thing as in the new IBM A20's) but they've managed to screw it somehow. Mine lived 4 days. I'd never seen a sound card initialization lockup the box at a hardware level before, but Windoze 95, 98, NT4, and Linux all freeze when they touch that damned card now, on multiple motherboards, too.
Actually, we think KDE 2.0 is very important.
The reason why we've ever had problems with KDE was the non-free nature of the Qt 1.x license - with Qt 2.0 (which is used by KDE 2.0 and can't be used with KDE 1.x), these problems are gone.
Qt 2.2.0 is even GPL (we'd still prefer LGPL, but given Trolltech's business model, it's perfectly clear that it won't happen, and that's ok).
If you've checked the beta, you've probably noticed we had a CVS snapshot of KDE 2 in there - both because of the great features of KDE 2 and because we'd like to get rid of Qt 1.x's license problems.
Unfortunately, it wasn't stable enough for prime time when we had to go gold, so we had to go back to KDE_1_1_BRANCH CVS - and packaged up the current beta for the preview directory.
Moving release dates (especially without knowing for sure when the stuff will finally be ready) would have been a big pain for the business side (I'm not part of that, so I can't give you the exact details, but the basics are obvious).
It'll be in 7.1 (which is already being heavily worked on) unless the planned KDE 2.0 release date is moved by months. (Actually the internal 7.1 build already has a CVS snapshot of KDE 2).
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After downloading and upgrading to RH7.0 from 6.2, I can tell you this:
Unless you know how to recompile your kernel to get your USB devices working, upgrade to 7.0 - it's definitely worth it. My USB mouse now works, and USB keyboards supposedly work too, but I don't have one to test it with..
The updated Glib and GTK+ libraries make for a serious pain in the ass for recompiling your favorite apps. Make sure that they're compatible before upgrading.
Sawfish rules! Even though you can download it and install it, it's just nice to see it as the standard WM. (BTW - Anyone know why it changed its name from Sawmill?)
Basically, you can make the upgrade yourself by upgrading a few things and installing a new kernel. It's not a huge release like 6.0 was, but it might be worth the money if you're not willing to wrestle with stuff like Glib, GTK, or Qt. If you want the new Gnome look without installing 7.0, your best bet is to install Helix Gnome.
Note: If you're running Pinstripe (the RH7 beta), the upgrade is a bit rocky. I would recommend either reinstalling Red Hat completely, or doing a manual upgrade.
Redhat x dot zero releases
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Ever since redhat was started, dot zero releases are like the front bumper of car that was driven 1300 miles in south Georgia and Florida in the summer.
Wait until RedHat x.1 to downgrade.
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What will it do to Helix Gnome?
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This is the big question on my mind. I'm definitely upgrading, but I prefer the current Helix Gnome to what ever version Red Hat is going to include. So the question is: Will the installer replace _helix_ rpms?
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There is still no prediction of when 2.4.0 will be released, and probably we'll have to wait at least for 2.4.2 to get a kernel that is as stable as 2.2.18.
We can't delay the 7.0 release forever (see the KDE thread).
Red Hat Linux 7 is ready for Kernel 2.4 though - just install the kernel and everything will work (we're even including a prerelease rpm).
I'm running Red Hat Linux 7 with 2.4.0 kernels on a couple of machines - no problems so far [on pretty much standard low-end hardware].
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Al Gore didn't say that, Dan Quayle did.
Rawhide is by definition a snapshot of our build tree for the next release, so everything that was in rawhide a couple of weeks ago is in there.
;) ) than the stuff in rawhide.
Some stuff in 7.0 is more current (and more fixed
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What about it? It does exactly what it's supposed to do.
and the 'epplets' ... what moron thought of those?
Why do you say that? They are great. They are applets but they match the rest of the desktop.
and there is no config tool... econf SUCKS!
Hua? You must have used E0.16 since you complain about the icon box but how can you think there are no gui config tools? When I right click on my desktop I have a menu of GUI tools for:
Redhat+Gnome+Sawfish = ROCK ON!
I agree. They kick ass (except for perhaps redhat but that's another story). Don't
Is there a UK company that will burn Redhat 7 on CD and ship it out to me at a reasonable price?
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If you read the RedHat press release it states that it will not be available for download until Tuesday. The Press Release. Good luck with the link, RedHat site is crawling . . .
Since it's already slashdotted, care to enlighten us as to what this is all about? I'm wary of the name already -- it's way too close to MSN...
RPM 4
Which gives us what benefits over 3.x? Does it support multiple databases yet (I want a system wide one, and one for my locally installed stuff).
FHS layout
Thank you. This is probably the biggest single improvement that RH7 gives us. I hope other distributions follow suit.
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Turns out Sawmill was the name of another application, so the Sawfish guys were nice enough to change it.
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I agree. They kick ass (except for perhaps redhat but that's another story). Don't forget that Enlightenment paved the way for almost everything pretty on the x desktop. I don't see why you are so bitter about Enlightenment.
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>Anyhow, i'm more interested in how this will impact Mandrake. I say that only because of the
>close relation between Mandrake and Redhat. Will the two start to spread apart now, Mandrake
>forming its own identity? Or will Mandrake make efforts to remain as close to Redhat as they
>already are?
Mandrake has been "growing appart" from RH since version 6.0...they are working on the beta of 7.2 as it is right now, and their 7.0 came out way ahead of RH's.
Also, Mandrake has gone FHS-compliant* (at least there's talk about that in the cooker [mandrake developers] mailing list...I haven't tried the 7.2 betas yet); I belive Mandrake is now its own distro, tho I'm sure they are gonna try to remind RH-compatible (they like knowing that all commercial "For RHL" software runs on Mdk too, I guess).
Anyway...RH's latest shouldn't affect Mdk, one way or another
Vox
* I have no clue if RH is FHS-compliant yet or if they have plans to be...have been using Mdk exclusively since 6.0
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I have an Alpha that I have been waiting all weekend to install Redhat. (Note: Install, not upgrade). Now I can find plently of mirrors, but they all have i386 iso only. Anyone know what the lag is for non-i386 distros?!?
Last week, it was posted it would be out Monday. Today is monday, thus there is another posting saying it actually *IS* out, not just announced to *be out*.
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It could be they don't know how to count, or they use another scale:
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fwiw, NONE of these are linux-supported, even with oss-nonfree ;-(
the midiman cards DO have linux support. that's the only reason I singled them out.
that, and they're butt-cheap ($109 for the 2448 and $209 for the 2496).
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How long do you think (proper) QA takes? We didn't want to release "yet another buggy .0."
Then, pressing the CDs takes some time, getting them packaged takes some time...
We've gone gold a while before bind 9 has been released, and even if we hadn't, there's no chance anything this different from prior versions could have got in that late in the cycle.
On a different note, I've built 9.0 in the 7.1 tree the day it was released.
While it does its core functionality perfectly, there are still a couple of problems left that wouldn't be tolerated in a Red Hat Linux release.
Especially when running on 2.2 kernels, bind 9 isn't 100% ready yet.
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I'm very pleased that they've changed the default window manager (when running GNOME, anyway) from Enlightenment to Sawfish. I think that a lot of people who thought they hated GNOME, actually just hated Enlightenment.
Sawfish is nice and lean, it makes the GNOME experience snappy and responsive. Thankfully, with Rasterman now off the payroll, Red Hat was able to make this switch, and I think it makes their product that much better.
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This Distro Goes To 11.
I like that.
I *really* like that.
What do I do, when it seems I relate to Judas more than You?
Still not dead.
"I... Don't... Give... A... Fuck..."
Is that simple enough?
yeah, again, midiman is best for price/performance ratio. their 'superdac 2496' is a VERY VERY quiet and clean performer. it can process 99% of what you throw at it (all but dolby digital - and who cares about that in a soundcard?)
its $200 and beats many 'boutique' DACs that sell for thousands. it uses the right chipset (burr brown and crystal, iirc) and it has a nofrills front panel - meant more for pro use than home use. that's not to say that consumers won't like it - its just not in jet-black like many home units are. its their commonsense attitude towards 'getting the goods out with clean sound and cheap' that I like about midiman. no stuffy attitude with them - they know that building with good chipsets doesn't have to be expensive.
my setup is the DiO 2496 card and the superdac 2496. obviously they both support 24bit word lengths and 96khz sampling rates. that's 'dvd audio' quality and will be a long long time before the analog side of things can match up to the arch. that is in place for 2496. ie, you can relax knowing this system won't be outdated anytime soon.
the downside is that ALSA has a real incompatible (sucks!) driver for the 2496. OSS/non-free demo does work very well - EXCEPT with mpg123 commandline player. strangely enough other .mp3 players work just fine with the oss/nonfree driver (freeamp and xmms being two that I've personally tried). the oss/nonfree driver is $60 (sigh...) but since alsa doesn't CARE (harumph!) about fixing their goddamn broken driver, oss/nonfree is your only solution.
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We knew we'd be doing this since a day after 6.2 went gold, so we had enough time to stabilize them (yes, our patches have been given back and integrated in the trees). We also employ most of the maintainers for both, so we could make a qualified decision on which beta to take there.
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No, it's plain Red Hat Linux 7. .0 release. ;)
It's not another buggy
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check it out:
ftp://csociety-ftp.ecn.pur due.edu/pub/redhat/redhat-7.0/
http://csociety-ftp.ecn.p urdue.edu/pub/redhat/redhat-7.0/
Dumbass. That's a different article. I also beat that one.
I have an ancient thinkpad also, and it's running debian with X 3.3.6 on it, since the graphics chip isn't supported in X 4.0.1 yet.
-motardo
So, is anyone brave enough to try and upgrade from 6.2 to 7.0? I know it's possible under Debian, but is it a wise thing to try with RedHat?
--Xar
First of all, you can get rpm v3.0.6 from rpm.org, either as a SRPM or pre-compiled, whichever is your flavour of choice.
Second, a lot of changes have been made "under-the-hood" in RPM in the past couple of years. 3.x has stood the test of time for quite a while (two major version release cycles) and even now, at version 4.0, still has a way to go (or needs a companion-application, as pointed out in the Freshmeat article from a week ago -- the link escapes me, help on this welcome!) If there are architectural changes, either visible or internal, a new version number is probably warranted...
Third, You can then build any RH7.0 RPM's against RH6.2 for compatability. As RH7.0 uses a new glibc (hence the major version #) you should stray away from using binaries RPM's compiled against 7.0 on 6.2, as this could lead to major breakage.
Finally, RH would not have chosen a new major relase number unless there are forward-looking binary compatability issues against previous releases. They're one of the only SW companies out there that can even trace their product line back to 1.x!
Microsoft: WinNT 3.1 was the first release.
Mandrake: Began at something like 5.3 (just to be bigger than RH 5.2!)
Sun: Okay, so SunOS/Solaris began at 1.x, but look how odd it got after THAT!
I'll skip over most of the last point, but I will point out that if you use RH services and support, it's a great deal to but a new OS every 6 mos. and get support for the life of that product (read: 6 mos.) for only $80 or so. That's only $13-14 a month for full OS support on your desktop. Not too shabby...
Ken
I wonder of what relevance this is, seeing that it's possibly only generating a lot of slashdotting on RedHat's servers?
Wouldn't it have been a bit more cooperative to let the news simmer down a bit?
As a state gets corrupt, its laws multiply; the most corrupt states have the most numerous laws. (Tacitus, Annales 3:27)
Please give an example of this phenomenon.
See "creeping featurism".
And even if you decide against using mirrors, note that one of the IP addresses used for ftp.redhat.com (nslookup reveals three, the .212 one is faulty) will give you an empty FTP server.
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Just call it "Red Hat Linux" and leave it at that... Perhaps "Desktop" or "Deluxe" and such, but like you said, numbers just confuse people, and quickly get old.
2.4 kernal and Apache 2.0 are almost ready..
I hardly see the 2.4 kernel being released very soon, and also we would need time to test and tweak it (we have extensive kernel QA) - rest assured, no Red Hat Linux 7.1 is coming up for some time
Why not? I bought 6.2 with the 30 day priority FTP updates.
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It took a while before the 3d accelerator companies caught on to OSS, I imagine it will take the audiophile card companies a while, too. I wish all hardware companies would open their specs *cough* nVidia *cough*.
On a related note, with pinstripe a lot of things (the updater comes to mind and the sawfish theme panel in CC) in Helix-Gnome would fail because of dependency issues with the new libraries.
I know this is probably more of an Helix issue but does anyone know if this is resolved?
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bzzzt! sorry but thanks for playing.
the 2448 uses the c-media pci chip. its quite decent. maybe you're thinking of the 'sound-pro' which is an isa bus single chip spdif solution (which has very drifty jitter and almost unusable spdif input; although I bet their spdif out is usable). but no drivers for linux that I know of.
the 2496 uses the envy24 chipset. all the higher end midiman cards use this. it allows multi channel operation. on the midiman cards, their dacs are also pretty decent; you could live without the external dac if you had to.
no idea about zoltrix - please tell me which chip it uses and if there's a linux driver.
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Not exactly a response, but I've run Red Hat 5.2 and 6.2 on a IBM Thinkpad 701 for a long time. This is a 486/75, 24MB ram, 650mb disk machine with sound and modem built in. Everything works well and out of the box, although I've always built custom kernels. Gnome/KDE are too heavy for this machine, so I've used icewm.
Not sure how "ancient" your laptop is.
Perhaps I'd be more excited if someone said Redhat had listened to concerns about security and had made 7.0 the most secure-by-default Linux yet. Or if they had written simple tools that made Linux as easy to administer as Windows 2000. Or if 7.0 wasn't playing package catchup to Mandrake 7.1. Or if it supported substantially more hardware.
Since it does none of these things, I won't be in any hurry to try it out.
People who build RPMs to install in /usr/local should be shot. They really screw me up. :)
I get tired of 'fixing' spec files to install in /usr.
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We're using a new glibc (2.2), a new and binary incompatible libstdc++ (gcc 2.96; some ABI changes were required to support more C++ features) as well as a new package format (rpm v4).
If you want to use rawhide packages on older versions of Red Hat Linux or other distributions using rpm, get rpm 3.0.5 or higher (3.0.5 is the first 3.x version that supports rpm v4 packages), get the source rpm and use rpm --rebuild.
That should work in most cases.
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seems that soundcard companies guard their wares like its the kings jewels. guys - there's NOTHING real esoteric about soundcard design; especially digi cards that have no analog stages on them.
it seems that sound card drivers will always be a few generations behind the current hardware. double sigh ;-(
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The European version contains some additional CDs.
Since net access is still very expensive in many countries in Europe, we decided we should include more packages (that can be simply downloaded in the rest of the world) in Europe.
The additions (including, of course, Parsec) will be available on ftp.redhat.de (unless licenses don't permit it) - parts of them, such as our new, credit card sized Rescue CD, are available already.
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It is worth mentioning that the "butt-cheap" $109 Midiman DIO2448 card uses the exact same monolithic chipset as the dirt-cheap $20 Zoltrix cards being sold by the neighborhood discount whore. The $209 2496 card is also based around the same chip, but adds couple of presumably decent Crystal DACs which are probably good enough on their own for non-critical listening.
:)
:-/
I have no doubt that the Midiman's analog signal path is much cleaner than that of the Zoltrix. However, those who are just looking for an SP/DIF output are probably better off with the Zoltrix card, while putting the ~$90(!) difference toward, say, a Midiman external DAC (all of which are excellent).
No word yet as to how well the digital output on the Zoltrix card works with OSS, specifically, but the same can be said of the Midiman variant. Should be about the same, though, given that there's only really one chip on either board.
Personally, I just want support for the Lexicon core2. 4 in/8 out+8 channels of ADAT IO+SP/DIF, all at once, and at 48KHz, 24-bit. I use one for mixdowns with an ADAT in the studio and have yet to be disappointed with it. Sadly, I'm forced to do this under Windows.
Kid-proof tablet..
Entrusting security to a distribution -- any distribution -- is asinine. Those who merely install Linux and expect it to be secure deserve to get rooted.
- A.P. (not flaming you in particular, just observing)
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"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
[Red Hat] has been known to ALWAYS have some huge problem in .0 releases
:)
;)
;) Since X is the roman number 10, they must beat MacOS X. ;)
Not this time.
Well, actually we used to, but we found it and fixed it even before the beta.
does this mean slackware needs to make the next version 10?
11 actually.
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FHS FHS FHS. Redhat 7.0 is now Linux Standard Base - FHS compliant. woo hoo. thats good enough for me. plus rpm v4 is miles better than v3.
Somehow, I just KNEW 7.0 was coming out REAL SOON... so I used a CDRW. I still lost those 15 minutes though.
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I thought Pinstripe was RedHat's codename for 7.0?
cpeterso
I have a 2496 and am thinking of getting a 2448 just for mp3 jukebox playback. at just over $100 (and $70 for a used audio alchemy dac-in-the-box), its a quite affordable quality sound playback system.
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"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
What about all that cool USB hype?
- kk
been there - done that. I had the sblive-2 with spdif out. what a joke! the output is ALWAYS 48k, even if the input is 44.1 ;-( very very bad design. the resampling is not ANY better than the regular analog outs! maybe you didn't know that.
there's also the hoontech (in korea) card based on the trident 4dwave chip. its about the same as the sblive-2 and comes with opto and coax digi outs. not bad for $39 delivered (direct from korea via their website). but its ALSO a resampled card. to get 44.1in -> 44.1out you need that midiman card or similar. not a 'soundcard' but more of a 'musician card' if you see what I mean.
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"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
Moderate this one down too, ya bastard.
I'm a new linux user (read: above cluebie, but far from guru, although I've gained some shell scripting mojo ;), and for the heck of it, I'm running Linux on an ancient ThinkPad (yes, I must be a masochist). Anyhow, for those of you with laptops out there, ThinkPads in particular, does Red Hat 7.0 offer much? It would be cool if they bundled in the latest pcmcia daemon, and laptop sound drivers...currently my pcmcia is held together with thread and glue, and sound is plain broke. Does XFree 4.0 offer anything for the RAM/CPU impaired?
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
The rpm package manager is broken by default!
Hmm, RPM has always worked fine for me.
is the ridiculous amount of abstration in the startup stripts, going here, point there, where the hell is it going!! Which makes for lengthy boot up times.
Redhat comes with a few nice scripts which makes administration of your startup files very easy. For instance, to restart sendmail in RH you can type service sendmail restart, or to stop linuxconf you can type service linuxconf stop, etc. To change what services are started at boot, you can use the ntsysv command. I like this much better than a huge obfuscated rc.local file, where you stop a service from running by moving the executable or removing the entry entirely.
I liked Mandrake until I tried to put it on one of my servers. One thing that didn't work correctly with Mandrake 7 was shutting down in the correct sequence: ie nfs would always hang when shutting down the machine.
After having installed all the distro's, I have come to appreciate RedHat. They may not have the most up-to-date Linux distro, but at least it works.
Its like the free windows updates from MS but you have to pay a yearly subscription fee. I expect it to die pretty quick.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
Actually, it's because we want to be listed in the guinness book of world records for the least bugs, the biggest number of good features, the biggest user base...
Oops, now I've accidentally revealed our plans for world domination...
Err... What now...
Ah, yes, of course, we're picking the name just to win the favor of Linux, OF COURSE.
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Traditionally, the x.0 RedHat releases have been rough, the x.1 releases have been a bit better, and the x.2 releases actually run fairly smoothly. Unless there's a killer feature in 7.0 that you absolutely *need*, consider putting a damper on the mindless upgrade mania. (Besides, odds are that if there's such a killer feature that you need, you'll have manually installed it, already...)
Disclaimer: I've been beta-testing 7.0
From my perspective, upgrading to 7.0 is definitely worth it. The 7.0 distro has much more software than 6.2, and includes many packages that I have been manually installing since the 6.0 days. 7.0 will save me a lot of time: I no longer have to constantly maintain and upgrade the packages that ship with the base 7.0 distro. Folks who have been installing certain popular add-on software will be pleasantly surprised and relieved that they will no longer have to do that.
As far as the RPM 4.0 issue goes, changes in 4.0 are mostly on the database back-end. The database back-end is more reliable, and 4.0 packages are also a bit smaller due to some internal reorganization.
I really like the new default desktop in 7.0. 7.0 looks and feels much, much better than 6.2.
As far as upgrading goes, just make sure to run Xconfigurator after the upgrade, to make sure that you get the correct X server. Run sndconfig too, if you have a sound card. Also, go through /tmp/upgrade.log to see what configuration files have been reset, so that you can add back any site-specific configurations. This is really no different than previous RH upgrades, actually. Same thing.
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No option to disable it, just to make it use PCI by default for the video. Still get "/dev/agpgart: device not configured" when starting X tho ... only with BSD, not with redhat (and I didn't even download intel's binary-only module). I can completely turn off all the other integrated devices in the BIOS, but not this one. Oh well, supposedly some tool called up2date will give me a less grating experience with redhat, and I have to deal with redhat on half our servers anyway, so I may as well figure out how to live with it.
I've finally had it: until slashdot gets article moderation, I am not coming back.
Anyone know what version of XFree86 RH 7.0 has? I have a card that isn't supported by 3.x.x but is supported by 4.0.1. 3.x.x works, but the mouse cursor doesn't come up right (50x50 solid square rather than an arrow head).
Jason
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Stupid sexy Flanders.
Thanks for the info. Saw a new, "open box" DIO 2496 for less than $200 the other day, I knew I should have snapped that up.
> they sink every 24 hrs usually
Hopefully this won't be a problem much longer, as VA Linux
is reportedly working on a new line of airtight/waterproof
servers.
ftp://sun site.auc.dk/mirrors/ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/rele ases/guinness/ has it too and is faster still (230KB/s) for me at least (from Sweden).
As we all know, Red Hat ties the name of one version to the next. Fitting "Guinness" is a little difficult.
Version - Name - Tie-together3.0.3 - Picasso
3.0.4 - Rembrandt - Painters
4.0 - Colgate - Toothpastes
4.1 - Vanderbilt - Universities
4.2 - Biltmore - The Vanderbilts lived in Biltmore Estate
4.8 - Thunderbird - Hotels near the San Jose airport
4.9 - Mustang - Ford automobiles
5.0 - Hurricane - WWII fighters
5.1 - Manhattan - Mixed drinks
5.2 - Apollo - Theaters
5.9 - Starbuck - Battlestar Galactica characters
6.0 - Hedwig - Starbuck MN & St Hedwig TX are small towns
beta - Lorax - Hedwig Godiva & the Lorax are Dr Seuss characters
6.1 - Cartmann - MS Word macro-viruses (or cartoon characters)
beta - Piglet - Cartoon characters
6.2 - Zoot - Dr Piglet & Sir Zoot are occupants of Castle Anthrax
beta - Pinstripe - Types of suits
Linux Planet had an article in which they claimed the version after "Pinstripe" would be called "Winston".
At first, I had difficulty finding a tie-together between "Pinstripe" and "Guinness", but with "Winston" as an in-between, we have the Winston Fabrics which has a pinstripe product, and Winston's Restaurant in Colorado which serves Guinness, or Winston Agaba, who is a brand manager for Guinness, or Winston Churchill and Alec Guinness were both knighted.
Upon further examination, however, I discovered there is a red ale called "SKA Pinstripe", which seems to be a much cleaner tie-together with Guinness.
I'm still wondering about that "Winston" that Linux Planet mentioned.
Christopher A. Bohn
cb
Oooh! What does this button do!?
I don't really have anything bad to say about RH, but I can't really say much good about it, either. It's basically solid, but Mandrake seems to put more effort into making sure everything works together smoothly out of the box. For me, the difference was that Mandrake substantially reduced my dependence on Windows to the point that I probably spend less than a couple of hours a week running MS crap now.
And while ease-of-installation is really a side issue to me, it does make me more likely to recommend Mandrake to a newbie.
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Hmm. It sounds like such a bumper would be full of squished bugs with little chance of finding any alive. I'd say it's a pretty good thing to have plenty of known dead bugs plastered prominantly in the logs of any piece of software...
Ita erat quando hic adveni.
I think you might want to take a look at the kernal mailing list, or the digests provided by linuxcare describing the problems with truncate() before affering idiocy on your betters.
Maybe on your ghetto hardware, it runs fine here.
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
I just got off the phone with RHs pre-buyer tech support: She told me that indeed RH7 will install it's GNOME RPMS over Helix's ... I'm sure that you can probably get around this doing a custom install. When I asked her what "enhanced 3D support" meant she gave me the usual market speak. :)
If anyone knows (bero?) I'd like to know how this release supports 3Dfx chipsets, for some reason I've never gotten 3dfx.o to compile on my 6.2 system. RH please don't forget the importance of Q3A!! "Runs Q3A on 3Dfx out of the box" should have made it into the enhancements page! I guess I'll know for sure when the box gets here....
Say, you wouldn't be Sean from "Survivor" by any chance would you?
=P~~
- Toby
The fact that most of us like GNOME doesn't mean we don't like KDE.
We don't like the Qt 1.x license. That's all.
By now, GNOME has progressed far beyond a point where we would want to drop it as soon as there's a stable release of KDE running on Qt 2.x, so that's not going to happen.
Red Hat will continue to support both desktops.
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Um, the same kind of moron who knows how to get the MD5SUMS directly from a trusted source?
I haven't been keeping up to date with RPM v4 as much as I'd like to, but last I knew it was beta and having problems with corrupting the RPM database. Has this changed?
http://www.rpm.org still says that the current stable version is RPM v3.0.4. Hmmm... I could have sworn that v3.0.6 was the latest in the 3.x series.
Am I the first to notice this blatant attempt by RedHat to win the favor of Linus? The 7.0 release just happens to be called Guinness and Guinness just happens to be Linus' favorite beer. I'd bet money that there's an email sitting in Linus' box right now saying "Come on Linus, just endorse the RedHat and you'll never have to buy yourself another beer forever. The level these companies will stoop to!
We don't do that sort of stuff. Releasing 2 different 7.0s would be impossible to support.
If anything turns out to be horribly broken (unlikely, aside from a couple of relatively minor bugs, we haven't had any problems with 7.0 yet), we'll make updates for the affected packages available.
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None of the nVidia chips have accelerated 3D, as the only avilable driver isn't opensource and is binary only.
CD2 should be finished in a couple of hours . . .
SlashMirror: Where to put files for fellow /.'ers
SlashMirror: Where to put files for fellow /.'ers
Tell me what makes you so afraid
Of all those people you say you hate
In the announcement Red Hat is offering gcc 2.96,
glibc 2.2 and Acrobat Reader 5.0. All of those versions are slightly higher then the versions that we are used to. Is Red Hat abusing the fact that they are responsible for the GCC development? How come that they alone have those versions? There is something rotten in the state of Danemark..
Pinstrip came with perl 5.6.0.
I found out the hard way that you don't want
perl 5.6.0. Lots of the CPAN stuff isn't available in RPM form for 5.6.0. I kept bumping into perl apps that I couldn't get the required
PMs for.
Any chance this kernel has support for PDC20265 ATA/100 IDE controllers built in? Or do I have to plug the drives into the other controller during install?
ftp://linux.engr.uark.e du/ pub/linux/redhat/redhat-7.0/iso/
john
-- john
Rather than hear a feature list, what I'd really
like to know is how Red Hat's QA proceedures have
changed since the 6.x releases.
Is there any chance of someone describing them
here? (Hint: Bero-rh?).
Without a CD burner is there anyway I can install this prior to it becoming available via retail channels? The machine I wanted to dedicate to Linux just arrived today as a matter of fact, and I've just gotten Redhat 5.2 installed on it to make sure it was running properly... so is there a way that I can mount the ISO image and update it, or am I more or less out of luck here?
I'm doubtful, since somehow it'd involve upgrading the kernel while the system is running, but if i hadn't said already, i'm a newbie... Email me if you can help me at all... Thanks!
don't forget alan works for red hat, duh!
I used to use Redhat exclusively, now I use Mandrake exclusively. What advantages/disadvantagse do most people find when using Redhat versus Mandrake?
I started using Mandrake for the Pentium optimized compiles, but it appears that Redhat is doing that now. I also haven't paid much attention to what Redhat is doing in a while, but it seemed in the past that Mandrake released new versions of their rpms a little quicker, at least in the cooker distro.
Simple answer : Kill the i810 code and recompile
-Billco, Fnarg.com
Red Hta has also been moving towards the file heirarchy system. In recent releases /usr/doc has moved to /usr/share/doc, and other changes have also occured. Perhaps we will soon see /etc/init.d in Red Hat or Mandrake sometime in the future?
/opt.
This is a good thing on both Red Hat and Mandrakes part, and I'd like to see it elsewhere - especially those distributions that use
The USB support sounds interesting. I can't wait to see if there are any big problems with it ;)
Maybe someone could givve me a hand,I'm using Redhat and am trying to install glide. I'm using 6.2 , I install all the glide frivers just fine, but the But the Glide_GDK (or something, its for developers, but they say I need it for Mesa) just
says "Will not install" for some reason.The teast 3dfx works fine in X, but won't run from a command propmt, it gives me an error that it can't find my V3 board.Then I try to install a game (soldgier of Fortune) to run in X, but it gives me an error that is can't find my openGL software, what do I need to do?
Could someone give me their e-mail that has experience with this so I can get some help?
Thanks
> just to win the favor of Linux, OF COURSE.
Its nice to see others have difficulty typing `Linus' too, after getting used to finishing off any word that starts with `Linu' with an `x'.
No, i'd rather actually know red hat 7.0 before they sell me as being able to support it.
Actually, they already have a copy..
BUT - they will release it at a specified time when Redhat asked them to..
It's time to downgrade from Mandrake 7.1!
It's Red Hat Seven-point-D'OH!
There's probably a lot of truth in that, but Red Hat weren't doing Enlightenment any favors either by including 0.15.5 instead of 0.16.4. The current version is way, way, way better and more stable than 15.5. So I'm relly glad to see that they're finally distributing the new release. It still doesn't play all that well with gnome (or vice versa) however, but I don't really have a problem with that.
Admit nothing, deny everything and make counter-accusations.
Are you trying to follow the Solaris example with product names that change several times a year ("Solaris 7" and then "Solaris 8", etc.) or perhaps the Windows convention ("Windows 95" to "Windows 98" to "Windows 2000")?
Why not just call it "Red Hat Linux" and then specify a version OUTSIDE of the name of the product?
Or, include it in the product name to begin with, like you did with all the other versions.
You're not fooling anyone - we all know it's a buggy .0 release... ;>
If a distro installed with external ports closed it would mean that in order to access the system remotely you had to explicitly open that port. What's so bad about that? If you don't know how to open ports, it's a good bet that you probably should not be opening the port. Not everyone knows how to manage system security, not everyone want's to be able to ssh into their home machine from work, and if you can't enable the services you should probably learn more about system administration first.
I see it as a much more logical process to say:
Well this system is going to be an intranet server for the development team projects. I'll enable the ftp, http and ssh services.
Rather than:
Well this is a graphical workstation, now what services are running that I should disable?
By making people explicitly enable their services, you force them to think about what the system is to be used for, and they're less likely to leave a port open accidently (usually because they didn't realise it was open in the first place, or even existed).
Anyway, it's just my philosophy on setting up systems.
Thanks for listening.
Damien Byrne
P.S. Did everyone see CmdrTaco on the Time.com 100 most influential people of the 21st century?? They mention "the Linux programming language", and I thought it was an Operating System!
"I'll take the red pill. No! Blue! AAAaaaahhhhhhhhh"
- Monty Python meets the Matrix
A geek needs linux like a fish needs a bicycle.
m l
Somebody needs to port that screen saver over.
http://www.guinness.com/us/art/spawn/version.ht
I'm never going to upgrage again.
Something I have always wanted to see in RPM is the ability for it to detect stuff you have installed NOT THROUGH RPMS, eg when i go and compile mysql for example from source (because i want the latest versino etc), i would like then to be able to do a RPM thing to make the database relise its intsalled.. or something like that.. The other thing i think RPM needs is better -devel stuff.. Problems i've had, when i install some library (eg gtk or whatever) through RPM, some programs look for a file which gets installed with the source versino, but not with the RPM version.. hence i cant compile that program.. really anoying!
stuff
what? what? what are you talking about! i run a GeForce2 GTS under linux w/x4.01.. I got the drivers from www.nvidia.com, they support awsome 3d stuff, eg 300fps in quake3 whilst playing. AND they are opensource, last time i checked you had to compile them, and you could edit the source if you really wanted to.. AND they are available for both 2.2 and 2.4 kernels! pft.
stuff
Some of the upgrades have been painless. Others, well... My bet's somewhere in-between. As soon as it shows up (and I can get past the /. hordes), I'll pull it down and give it a whirl.
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
Oh! I didn't know the name of this release, but I think I'm gonna switch to redhat again (I just moved to mandrake) just to have this 'guinness' release. That and the fact that having bought a brand new computer last week, mandrake's sndconfig doesn't seem to be able to configure the integrated soundcard.
Now, the only thing that I have to do is learn to use debian while in vmware...
But does it run on linux?
alright...curve it around...
You can't destroy the Earth, that's where I keep all my stuff!
Hmmm. When I was reading this is was kinda shocked...
I knew Sawfish as Sawmill. I have been using Mandrake 7.1 which comes with sawmill. I'm not really sure why they changed the name to sawfish, but they don't really need a reason.
You can check out the sawfish web page at http://sawmill.sourceforge.net. You won't find it under sawfish.
well, I think describing the front bumper as "riddled with bugs" would be an accurate description.
but if you want to persist with yours, bug finding has been described as a poisson process with the likelihood of when the next bug will be found most accurately described by the mean arrival time of the last few bugs. The more fresh kill on that bumper, the worse off you are.
What about the advanced user who will never compile anything, or prefers source RPMs?
I look on package management as the primary was of maintaining a stable database of what is and isn't installed on my machine. Its easier to upgrade your system when this informstion is handy. Dependencies are sorted out easily [yay rpmfind and autorpm], I don't have to wait to install software, security is enhanced [its easy to find whats vulnerable when you know whats installed].
Does anyone know what version of Perl will be shipping with this version of Red Hat? The last time I actually *bought* a Red Hat distro, the Perl version was a few revisions out of date. I updated it with no problems, but I hate having to do that kind of hand-updating and the RPM system makes it painful.
-- In the future, everyone will code Perl for 15 minutes. --
Niether make nor gcc was installed on the "normal" option. Installing the dependencies of dependencies to get all that working was a pain in the ass.
An Education is the Font of All Liberty
"From YOUR perspective". There are some packages that have changed, and they have added more packages. I think they had to or at least felt that they had to add more packages that people commonly use. Look at SuSE they have way more packages then redhat. Look at debian they have way more than Redhat too. That is not a reason to upgrade.
This is not flamebait as the moderator thinks as well. This is a valid statement and slashdot should change there name to we suck dot!
only one person gave a reason to upgrade. RPM breaks some packages. Well fine, but once again someone decidede that backwards compatibility was not necessary. They changed the rpm database and now you cant use rpm 3 to upgrade to rpm 4. If slashdot is going to continue to use idiots to do moderation then maybe it is time for the community to start leaving we suck dot.
I don't want a lot, I just want it all!
Flame away, I have a hose!
Only 'flamers' flame!
The RedHat 7.0 system I mentioned earlier is now online and accessible. Go to http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/ to get all the details and register for a free shell account.
For our primary use (being a wm with gnome), 0.16.4 was too bloated (re-implementing all the gnome functionality).
Now that we're using a different wm for gnome, updating is ok.
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I am a little nervous to upgrage to RedHat 7 (from 6.2) My 6.2 version is running great. I have prority ftp access with them so I guess I will download it today.
- kk
guiness is not "beer", philistine!
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Enlightenment plus Gnome was a bad matching up. Gnome tries to be half a window manager and Enlightenment is a whole window manager.
But if you ask me they should have gone the other way and ditched Gnome and keep Enlightenment.
I wouldn't care except they just installed Red Hat on a bunch of the computers at school.
Ok, this is normal that ftp.redhat.com is full. But I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that metalab/ibiblio is FULL - now this has NEVER happened to me before.
:)
Ok, going to download via HTTP, no problem
Remember that Red Hat these days are also Cygnus, who have always had their own commercially supported gcc releases in parallel with the official FSF.
I have no doubt this new Red Hat released gcc is at least as good as the official FSF released gcc the other distributers bundle. It is probably even better. Which in itself is scary for several reasons:
1. Calling it gcc 2.96 is certain to cause confusion, as evident by this thread.
2. It gived Red Hat an advantage over the other Linux distributors, which could be seen as unfair.
3. It might encourage other distributors to include gcc snapshots in order to seem competitive. But they don't have the same Cygnus derived competance, so they are more likely to screw up, and different gcc snapshot, maybe all called gcc 2.96, and maybe with binary incompatible C++ libraries, is bound to create chaos.
So I'd have prefered that Red Hat bundled the FSF released gcc as the default compiler, and had the "Cygnus" compiler as a different product (pehaps also bundled, but clearly separate, and not default).
I am currently downloading the second ISO image. It's available today.>
Which mirror are you using?
>guinness is a stout, not a beer.
...which is a style of beer.
All stouts are beers. Not all beers are stouts (not by a long shot).
-LjM
under the releases, there is a guiness directory,
that is where I have been downloading it from, since before the slashdot announcement. Not surprisingly, the transfer rate has dropped about 20 k/s since then.. I haven't found a single mirror with it yet though.. I guess they will make a redhat-7.0 directory soon enough.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
Integrated with the Red Hat Network. Since it's already slashdotted, care to enlighten us as to what this is all about? I'm wary of the name already -- it's way too close MSN...
It's a way of administering and monitoring your systems - the base service is for it to notify you when any of the rpms on your systems has been updates, and install that. Later on, we're planning to add enterprise features. The basic service is intended to be free, while we will sell higher level services including support.
(on rpm 4) Which gives us what benefits over 3.x?
It has some code in it to handle multiple architectures on the same system (IA64 can use IA32 binaries, same situation for SPARC/UltraSPARC), it is based on db3 and has transaction support, it has new standard macros and build policies and many internal changes. Probably more I don't know of (i.e. not highly visible)
Where's the latest [gizmo-v1.2] RPM for RedHat 7.0 ?
I agree Enlightenment 15.5 with GNOME was not the best experience. But, you've got to remember RedHat has been distributing really old versions of E all the way up to and including RH6.2 (and I don't know yet what version they are using for 7.0). The current version of E is 16.4. It's not Rasterman's fault that RedHat couldn't get its act together. E16.4 seems really snappy and stable. I've just decided to use E alone without GNOME, which for me, is a better solution than GNOME without E. If you haven't tried E recently (or only tried RH's old RPM), I'd recommend giving 16.4 a shot.
I'm not sure if RH had any intentional reasons for not including more recent versions of E (malicious or not). Is RH just slack, or do they still have an axe to grind with Raster...?
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the spdif (true digital) cards don't suck. the midiman series of spdif cards (DiO 2448, 2496) are 100% perfect - as long as you use an external DAC (digital to analog converter). fyi.
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The Soundblaster AWE had spdif also, it's not like this is some sort of advanced interface whose presence represents some degree of quality. The availability of this interface does not preclude the introduction of jitter and other forms of digital distortion into the bitstream, particularly on low-end sound cards. For those who connect a $300 external DAC to their $25 Mitsumi CDROM and think they are hearing accurate signal reproduction... it might be time to analyze the entire signal path, digital inclusive.
Maru
downloading it right now
-motardo
Also, I have noticed that LPD has been replaced for LPRng. This is a good news for me since I will not need to install LPRng separately any more.
I don't know yet what version they are using for 7.0
We are shipping 0.16.4 - the reason for not upgrading earlier were bugginess, poor integration with gnome and reimplementaion of features in gnome in the newer releases: We needed something which worked as well as possible with gnome. Now that sawfish does that job (and works better than Enlightenment ever did in that role), Enlightenment has been upgraded.
I saw Redhat 7.0 beta on my local FTP at LEAST a week ago. I suspect that's what was being reviewed.
Technosnobbery in general is abhorrent, but to see someone like you refusing to even acknowledge that perhaps a distribution could be shipped secure out-of-the-box additionally reflects ignorance.
Distributions should be friendly, easy-to-use, and informative. They should instruct where necessary (i.e., 'Turning on this option will let anyone remotely read the directories you've specified. Are you sure you want to do this?') and be as secure as possible.
Why hasn't anyone done an OpenBSD-style audit on the Linux source base? There, at least, they know a thing or two about shipping a secure distribution. Instead of making fun of their users they simply provide them with the world's most secure operating system out-of-the box, no questions asked.
The short of it? Distros can and should be secure out-of-the box and any potentially insecure operations should be accompanied by links to the latest literature. Users should be informed about security updates instead of having to actively discover patches, with an option for one-click upgrades (e.g., 'The FTP server you're running has just been updated. Your version contains a serious security hole. Would you like to update it now?'). These things are possible.
Don't make fun of users for wanting a good product.
David E. Weekly
David E. Weekly
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h4x0r for
if I'm gonna give RH7 a try for a while. My brother uses RedHat extensively, and I usually wait till he gets his machine upgraded before I go diving in. Besides, I prefer to slack...
I'm on a chair.
All I'm saying is that to assume a machine will be perfectly secure right after installation is a bit retarded. Once you network a machine, no matter what OS it runs, you open yourself up to whatever remote security holes existed in that OS at the time it was pressed to CD. Unless you continually update it, you're at risk. A truly "secure" distribution of any OS wouldn't allow its users to network it, or, if it did, wouldn't start any services that could possibly be accessed remotely. How useless would a Linux box be if it couldn't be accessed remotely?
- A.P.
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"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
Red Hat Linux always had a "fully qualified version number" as part of it's name, or none at all. Now - it's just "7"
In this re-post of the question someone from Red Hat answers... Sort of.
Shame they couldn't wait for KDE2.0, or at least put the newest beta version on it.
That makes me wonder. Is there a Guinness theme for sawfish? Will all of my windows have a nice frothy head that will get stuck in my beard? Or maybe I will have to wait a few minutes before I can use the Guinness OS while the bubbles (hard drives) are still churning.
It's my favorite beer as well. They may not get Linus, but it's enough to lure me in. Especially if they get that Guinness theme with it.
Excellent. That's been another of my problems. I'd like to be able to install x86 RPMS on my Sparc Linux server (they're available over NFS to the x86 boxen). At the moment I have to either compile from source or kick RPM into doing it against its will...
"The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." -- Delos B. McKown
On some PCs, you can disable onboard peripherals (NIC, sound, video, etc.) in the BIOS. Have you tried this?
Disabling stuff - such an odd way. Why not simply select the wanted card when starting X? There should need to disable the other.
That's odd. I've been a minor (very minor, mind you) GCC contributor for a while, and I could have sworn that 2.96 doesn't actually exist.
The actual release is marked
gcc version 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.0)
. It is tagged in the trees, and will be supported by the former cygnus(which is now part of Red Hat, including the gcc engineers). We've put a lot of work into making this a stable, high-performance compiler and so far it looks like one.
Actually the stuff has been merged back into the tree for quite a while.
Red Hat is not Microsoft.
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I guess you'd rather spend all your time configuring the system to the exclusion of doing anything productive. I prefer to actually get something done with my system besides editing config files all day.
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a new and binary incompatible libstdc++ (gcc 2.96; some ABI changes were required to support more C++ features)
That's odd. I've been a minor (very minor, mind you) GCC contributor for a while, and I could have sworn that 2.96 doesn't actually exist.
In fact, I believe that "2.96" is the name given to the current series of snapshots, which are known to be incomplete and not fully working and missing documentation, because if you're using a snapshot, it is assumed that you don't need all the documentation, you know what's working and what isn't, etc, etc.
Why did RH choose to use an unstable compiler as the default for a major distro? I can't wait to see all the crap on the gcc-bugs mailing list, from people using an incomplete compiler.
You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
I don't agree with many of his positions, but this one drew my attention, from http://votenader.org/issues/taxation.h tml
Personally, I like not having Internet purchases taxed. Heck, it's one of the few things that isn't taxed...yet.
Sorry for the little rant.
I got the drivers from www.nvidia.com, they support awsome 3d stuff, eg 300fps in quake3 whilst playing. AND they are opensource, last time i checked you had to compile them, and you could edit the source if you really wanted to..
Take a look at the "source", and you'll find that lots of it is binary only - everything but the kernel module.
Huh, I thought they were gonna wait for a stable 2.4 kernel...
I'm not sure of the level of previous Japanese support, but we have a great team in Japan working on improving it.
What parts of Rawhide have been left out of 7.0? None? From everything I've read, it looks like this will be the most stable RH release ever. It's great to have support for the new Mylex RAID cards (AcceleRAID 352) with the new 2.2.17. I'll also enjoy testing 2.4.x
Daniel
You bring up some very good points -- and I totally agree.
Also, since I know there are distro wars out there, please realize that i'm not bashing everything that is not Mandrake. But that is what I know -- aside from RedHat and SuSE. My statements are only for example -- as I'm sure some other distro out there might have a similar setup.
It will update it, of course - it has a lot of fixes, are integrated with Red Hat Linux and is compiled against the libraries we ship.
...the marketing dept puts out an add telling the world your company supports red hat 7.0 *before* it's released.
I'd like to know how this release supports 3Dfx chipset
If you look in the preview directory, you will find Glide and the 3dfx DRI interface. Install, and 3D acceleration should work. It works on a test banshee, and Dale has been playing Quake3 on a Voodoo5 in 1600x1200 so it does work somewhat.
Check again. Try the downloads section.
Local server in Vienna, and a couple of mirrors (looks like in the US) (for Linux x86)
Do don't say what arch you are looking for. Maybe you are taking your UltraSPARC to the lan party?
The directory structure leaves a little to be desired but search and ye shall find. It looks like the Red Hat 7.0 ISO's can be found here: ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/releases/guinness/ iso/
As with the sun's light
My mom was magnificent
Unquestionable
You don't even need kernel 2.4 - we're also including the kernel for the Enterprise Edition (kernel-enterprise-*rpm) which has the LFS patch.
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Let's hope we can change the computer world in less than five years. My dream project is building a soundcard that doesn't suck.
"Ancillary does not mean you get to rule the world." --U.S. Circuit Judge Harry Edwards, speaking to the FCC's lawyer
Getting out of the number game would be good - e.g. some people could fooled into believing that Mandrake is newer and more uptodate than the current Red Hat. E.g., I've seen some people here say that Mandrake released their 7.0 a long time ago and now are at 7.1
I'm here laughing my ass off. This has to be the funniest story I've read. Don't take offense; it's not funny as an event, but it seems to me that Microsoft has right to be scared of Linux. If that connection was pumping out 20mbps, I'm wondering just how many active users there were at that time? *lol*
Seth Anderson BTW, I'm not 23 anymore -- I am TexasCowboy26 now. =)
yep. I took a look at it. I was not impressed. The features that are offered by E seemingly surpass those of Sawfish. I am not into LISP programming... I just want the damn thing to be useful and have a nice look. I have enough processor speed to waste and enough ram to waste so that E's normally slow pace doesn't have an affect on me. Now my opinion is justified. :)
matter of opinion. E is the best, I have never even heard of Sawfish. As far as I am concerned GNOME can take a leap off a bridge too.
- Bill
I can verify that Netscape 4.75 on Redhat 6.2 crashes on my 128Mb RAM Dell Pentium II crashes frequently and clicking its address book is a guaranteed crash.
"Be thankful you are not my student. You would not get a high grade for such a design
Thanks.
I've been meaning to take the Oracle Internet Appliance (8i with Sun Kernel) for a test drive also.
I have to ask - what filesystem are you using, and do you have an Oracle 8.1.6 test areas available?
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Yes! Slackware!
The distro that doesn't get in your way doesn't try to do things for you. It just does what you tell it.
Why bother to rush? All the software contained therein has been available for ages anyway. If you really needed it you would have upgraded it manually by now. Beats me why anyone bothers.
As we venture further into the off-topic world...
>In California, you can't legally advertise a
>product as "beer" if it has higher than a
>certain percentage of alcohol.
Texas has the same rules (over x% is "malt liquor").
Unfortunately, the argument that Guinness violates that alcohol barrier doesn't hold up.
Stateside Guinness draught is only about 4% by volume. Stouts in general tend to have a lower alcohol content than the common American pseudo-pilsners.
Bud is 4.6%, Michelob 4.95%, even Natural Light has 4.2%.
So if those things are "beer" (in the legal definition of the word, not my definition), then Guinness certainly is.
Unless it's too low to be called beer.
-LjM
ftp.redhat.com - mirrors are for--- people who don't piss off sysadmins I guess.
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
The guiness release directory is not readable to the public on the VALinux mirror. What gives?
Try using mpg123.
I had a similar problem on my sisters P75 and using mpg123 from an xterm did the trick. You can set it as the default player for napster etc.
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"Your mouse has moved. Windows NT must be restarted for this change to take effect."
For two very obvious reasons; which one applies depends on who the "anyone" is. If it's "a distribution vendor," the answer is the Microsoft answer - customers don't care enough to make doing so a profitable venture. If it's "an independent volunteer or team," the answer is "it's too much work for too little reward." Security is hard work. Perfect security is impossible. And, quite frankly, the talent and dedication needed to do the kind of full source audit that has occurred in OBSD land is incredibly scarce. Not to mention that fact that OBSD is single-source, single-version, which makes distribution-scale changes much easier to manage. I haven't stopped using Linux just because OBSD's model has some significant advantages. But I have stopped using it on uniprocessor Intel boxes (hint to OBSD: deliver SMP sparc64 support and Linux lands in the toilet as far as production systems go). GNU/Linux distros move faster; OBSD moves in sync. It depends on what you want.
There's another issue here as well: most GNU/Linux distros are of a quality I would place somewhere between "very poor" and "disgraceful." Red Hat post-4.2 has consistently rated less than 3 on my somewhat subjective 1-10 scale, and I would give all the 6.x releases a 2.0 or less. Debian at least has the virtue of a moderately powerful installer, but suffers from a BSD-like release schedule without the advantages; the software included with the latest release is already obsolete. Debian earns a 3.5, mostly for effort and commitment to Freedom. SuSe loses several points just for using RPM, a hopelessly inadequate package management system, and several more for their installer. The bright spot here is internationalization, but with the resources Red Hat has playing catch-up, I'd say that won't last. YAST sucks. SuSe earns a 2.2. Sorry, guys. Mandrake is trying to reinvent itself as not-just-another-RedHat-derivative, with some success. Unfortunately, as bad as Red Hat is, every change Mandrakesoft makes only makes their distro worse. The installer makes installing Windows look like a cake walk, and pgcc helps little, especially for non-i386 folks. They do worst of all, scoring about a 1.5. Slackware is a breath of fresh air in terms of simplicity and purity of code base, but their lack of support for non-i386 knocks them down from about a halfhearted 5.5 to a 3.0.
Where does that leave us? Somewhere in between OBSD and a build-it-yourself Linux-based system. I just don't want to fight with uninstalling GNOME (nigh on impossible in RH-based distros), mysterious and unnecessary patches to software that works fine from the main FTP site, or wacked-out efforts to make programs compiled against incompatible and archaic C libraries run on the latest releases. I want an installer that installs only what I tell it to and nothing more, and I don't want to have to fight with it to make that happen. I want a distro I can rebuild from source - the same source for all architectures, and at the same time even (all the world is not i386, guys; Red Hat, Slackware, I'm looking in your direction). In short, what I really want is a BSD-style distro that moves at GNU/Linux speed. Can it be done? Sure - the BSD people have already shown us how. It's called the Ports collection. Build and install from source, minimal patches, architecture-independence for all sane packages. The core system packages are surprisingly few and a team of 5-7 full-timers could easily keep them and the package management core up to date from CVS repositories. The only trick becomes getting the binary development environments for each platform up to snuff and keeping them there. It can be done, but I doubt it will. Debian feels incorrectly that they've already got a winning system, as do the BSD folks - who are a lot closer to being right, and the GNU/Linux distro vendors are too busy fretting over their latest balance sheets to care what customers want. The big Linux party's over, kids, and now I only want to know one thing: who's going to clean up this mess?
oh, ok.. my mistake.. But why does that stop you from including it in RH7.. Because alot of "linux newbies" will have Nvidia cards.. Theyll open up and install RH7 (there first linux install) and see that X doesnt work (at all with GeForce2 and in 3d in other cards) and theyll say to themselves "how crap, im not using this!" and run back to (i hate to say this word) MS Windows.
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I really think that you guys should consider using some non-opensource software if it means alot of people have alot easier ride..
stuff
I know I've been laughing about it ever since
it happened. It'd be like slashdot being called
a DOS attack.
I am wondering right now weather it is worth the upgrade. So far I have not seen them get an uypgrade 'right'. Don't get me wrong, I use Redhat. I am wondering if it is really worth the upgrade or not. In looking at what they have now, they have GNOME 1.2. WEll I have the helix code updates. Do I need Redhat? (NO I think not). They have rpm 4.0. What is better in rpm 4 than in 3? They have XFree 4.0. That would be great if I need the hardware. So if you have a newer card you may want to think about 4.0. MY hardware is old (Old S3 Virage card). New kde.
Hmm I'll wait till 2.0. Lots of updates. php 4.0.1 would be nice to upgrade to.
Hmm Perl 5.6. Perl 5.6 is supposed to have threads, but there's probably WONT! I put in a bug report a while ago and said that they have the man page for Perl Threads, but you can not use threads. They should either get ride of the man page or implement threads in perl. They looked it over and there reply was that they would not implement threads because they would have to recompile oh so many packages. They never said anything about just getting ride of the man page either. Can someone confirm that the Redhat 7.0 does not have perl threads?
I don't want a lot, I just want it all!
Flame away, I have a hose!
Only 'flamers' flame!
Being that I was going to make a decision and download one of those three in the next few days, and being that I like the number seven so much, the decision is finalized by sheer timing, and after twelve years of being a simple user of unix, I'm starting out in administration as a Redhat guy. Hello, world. :-)
-Water Paradox
information is immaterial
I dunno what the deal is, or how to fix it - Neither my backspace or my delete key work now. The only way to backspace is by hitting CTRL-H. Seems pretty simple, can anyone point me in the right direction on how to fix it?
The site says it won't be available for download until tomorrow.
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I'm one of the sysadmin's for linux.engr.uark.edu, one of the 'www.redhat.com/mirrors.html' mirrors. This morning I placed 3 iso's on the server. Within hours, the server had a load average of 26.0, and was pumping out 20mbps of data. :(
* Note: Our University only has a 20Mbps connection to Internet 1 and a 155Mbps connection to Internet 2. By the time the network admin's at the University level found out which segment the 20mbps was coming from, they just shut it down assuming it was a DOS attack. Namely they shutdown 7 engineering departments. Thankfully, once I explained to them what it was, they turned the connection back on, but asked me to limit it to 3-5mbps.
The university of new brunswick has mirror up at: ftp://menace.csd.unb.ca/pub/redhat70/iso Pretty fast for anyone here in NB. Enjoy.
not usually no.. RC5 fills up the processors when I am not doing anything. I don't need to do much do I? I don't spend 100% of my time on my computer. I go out and get wasted :-) Now that, that is a way to waste time ;)
It's been a big mess here... All SAMBA configurations stopped working, the JDK (Sun version 1.2.2-006) segfaults every time I try to use it, more weirdness... I did a backup, and wiped the drive, then installed clean, and still cannot get JDK 1.2.2 still doesn't work. My main use is as a Java development box, so it's either go back to RH6.2 or Mandrake 7.1 for me. I think I'll go Mandrake... It seems better done...
After only ten tries, I got through to redhat's ftp and started downloading the iso's (five of them).
/pub/redhat/releases/guiness/iso
:)
A bit of advice though, don't look for the iso's in the 7.0/iso directory, they are empty links. Look under
And be patient
ChodaBoy
- The preceding statement is the product of a deranged mind and the sole property of the voices in my head.
Well, so long as it doesn't break all the dependencies that is fine with me. The next question is: Will Helix Update work with the new version of RPM? I'm sure Helix Code will release a version of the Updater for RedHat 7 in the near future, but there have been some updates in the last couple of days that I would like to get. Then again, by the time my CD gets here they probably will have updated it for 7. Damn, that's what I love about free software.
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream.
I took a quick look with my Netscape browser and the redhat-7.0 directory is listed on the ftp server (it wasn't there earlier).
Also Red Hat shouldn't make Linux proprietary like that. Version 7, what will they think of next? AFC Archvillie, if that's your real name, I'm with you.
Anyone remember Parsec for the TI-99? Must... find... emulator...
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/. posted on friday that it would be released today. you cannot say you didn't see this comnig
john
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This file contains the MD5sums of the completed iso downloads. be0e50204f84dd7b5b22e455afc85b49 7.0-i386-docs-8bit.iso e34d12479366b8bee34a952e969f6c3b 7.0-i386-SRPMS.iso 626b7d18033e320c27c8cd58cc37a288 7.0-i386-disc1.iso c9899d398ca675c1e80a7bdb68d701bf 7.0-i386-disc2.iso cce425867c0130772cafd482c8a274da 7.0-i386-powertools.iso
The story I heard about two years ago was it had to do with the owner of Red Hat having his grandfathers red hat stolen from him,.. or something like that.
Course, I might be wrong.
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Yeah, since it came out today, and they sink every 24 hrs usually, I wouldn't think so. Still, it would have been kind of them to coordinate that with their mirrors. Unless of course the good poeple at Red Hat really really really want you to buy the $60 boxed set! Is that on a 24 hr lag too? ;)
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As I wrote, we do ship a newer version and we certainly was aware of newer versions of Enlightenment. It didn't fit well with GNOME, so we chose not to ship it with Red Hat Linux 6.2. However, now that is primarily a standalone wm and not part of a integrated whole, we could upgrade it.
As for 2.2.17 - note that the 2.2.16-3 errata kernel and the kernel shipped with Red Hat Linux 7.0 already contains most of the changes between 2.2.16 and 2.2.17, and many other patches.
We don't upgrade components inbetween releases unless we need to - a distribution is a tested whole, and if we started upgrading all the components all the time, much of the integration testing is wasted and it would be hard to target the distribution for software, services, support etc. since it would be less certain what the system was running.
Let's see, there's JavaScript, Daikatana, CueCat, RealPlayer G2, RealJukebox, Fusion GS 2.1, Java servlets, and almost everything that isn't hardware related at freshmeat.net. That seems to be the breeding ground of all the programmers that are the epitome of my sig.
"Ancillary does not mean you get to rule the world." --U.S. Circuit Judge Harry Edwards, speaking to the FCC's lawyer
well I was figuring that it would come out late as usual :-)
Ignore the "p2p is theft" trolls, they're just uninformed
the spdif (true digital) cards don't suck. the midiman series of spdif cards (DiO 2448, 2496) are 100% perfect - as long as you use an external DAC (digital to analog converter). fyi.
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"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
Dumbass.
Um... I haven't heard this before. Why is it called Red Hat?? (You did say until recently, I assume that you know.)
"I'll take the red pill. No! Blue! AAAaaaahhhhhhhhh"
- Monty Python meets the Matrix
2.4 kernal and Apache 2.0 are almost ready..
Like hell they are. Apache 2.0 is still in alpha versions, and the 2.4 kernal still has file system corruption issues.
Of course, idiots don't know that, but this goes without saying.
Red Hat Linux 7.0 is far more uptodate than Slackware 7, Mandrake 7.1 etc - our version number is there to say what is and what isn't binary compatible. Some of the others just play the number game (Mandrake, Slackware), SuSE seems to have their own versioning instead of just upping their number(I'm not sure what it is yet...) and Debian also has their own versioning.
And probably more features I'm just taking for granted now...
that is, unless it's not a good release.
looking for help here.
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<offtopic anti-slackware rant mode>
The distro that doesn't get in your way doesn't try to do things for you. It just does what you tell it.
... and has a horribly obsolete system of init scripts, and lets you leave the remains of packages installed from source tarballs all over your system ;)
Actually, I got hooked on linux with slackware but shy away from it now. Recently installed 7.0 to take a peek and see what's new, and found... new packages! Nothing really new in the base install, etc. And pkgtool is, hrm, rather broken imho. I like RPM, but what I like even more is BSD's ports collections. As easy as 'cd /usr/ports/category/appname;make;make install'. Just 'make deinstall' to wipe it out. Always compiled from source, too unlike most RPMs (SRPM's excluded).
Anyway, just my $0.02 on the distro wars...
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Where's the 0? Yes, it counts.
With Redhat, they have a tradition of having insecure x.0 releases -- and though the x.1 releases are better, typically they come around by x.2. I can't remember the article, but there was an article on Slashdot not too long ago which showed data about the security issues behind each release of given linux distribution. I didn't create this information out of nowhere...I had help. =)
Anyhow, i'm more interested in how this will impact Mandrake. I say that only because of the close relation between Mandrake and Redhat. Will the two start to spread apart now, Mandrake forming its own identity? Or will Mandrake make efforts to remain as close to Redhat as they already are?
2.4 kernal and Apache 2.0 are almost ready..
This means that there will be another release in 2 months.. RH 7.1?
watch out brother, your being bombarded with attacks by Red Hat religious zealots. Linus forbid you make a stab at their beloved distribution
"sex on tv is bad, you might fall off..."
I lost my concept of community when my community lost all concept of me.
I tried to acces a couple of mirrors, most didn't have it, until I finally found
ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/redha t/pub/redhat/redhat-7.0/
I've been dying to get RH7.0 for one reason: Parsec.
;>
According to this page the european RH7.0 version will include a playable demo (lan party beta release as they call it) with 50 MB of mp3 music aswell. Now what I want to know is will parsec be included in the iso(s) that are free for download? If anybody with insight could give some input on this I'd love to hear it.
And yes, I *HAVE* checked parsec for downloads. And no, there are none.
Hope this isn't too offtopic, but I'm dying to try parsec. Also wouldn't mind trying RH7.0, but that is not the main reason for me to upgrade
Shame on them for not putting Bind 9 in. It has been out for 2 weeks now. wtf.
:) I assume you mean to say that they shouldn't be putting in such an untested piece of software in a "stable" distribution.
Hey there
Just out of curiosity, how long have you been using Bind 9.0? I betcha the first thing that ran through your head was, "Well, they can't have been using it for more than two weeks!" Hey, this Bind is Open Source. No reason why they couldn't have been using it ever since the development for 9.0 started. You don't know how stable they've made their implementation - Red Hat 7.0 isn't even out yet, so I don't see how you can know. Don't be so judgemental.
Dave
'Round the firewall,
Out the modem,
Through the router,
Down the wire,
Barclay family motto:
Aut agere aut mori.
(Either action or death.)
Shame on them for not putting Bind 9 in. It has been out for 2 weeks now. wtf.
>and they sink every 24 hrs usually
Wet servers are never a good thing...
s/sink/sync/
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FYI the slashdot post was here and the article it pointed to is here.
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This strikes me as a perfect *legal* application for gnutella. I'm grabbing it now and am gonna put it up.
We're setting up a test drive of RedHat 7.0 in the Compaq Test Drive program today. It should be available this afternoon - we'll post an announcement on our main page when it is. Once it's ready, you'll be able to get a free shell account on it by going to our web site and registering. You'll be able to explore what the new release is like and try compiling your code against it without having to download and install it on your own system.
The last version of RedHat had pretty poor Japanese support. Will it have to same level or so as Mandrake 7.1?
Since RH7 has glibc 2.1.92, just drop in a 2.4 test kernel for LFS.
/fs]# ls -al
..
/fs]# ls -alh
..
/fs]# uname -a
/fs]# cat /etc/redhat-release
/fs]#
[root@foo
total 2562780
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Sep 19 22:55 .
drwxr-xr-x 19 root root 4096 Sep 16 20:49
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 16384 Sep 15 16:38 lost+found
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2621690368 Sep 19 23:11 testfile
[root@foo
total 2.5G
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4.0k Sep 19 22:55 .
drwxr-xr-x 19 root root 4.0k Sep 16 20:49
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 16k Sep 15 16:38 lost+found
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.4G Sep 19 23:11 testfile
[root@foo
Linux foo.example.com 2.4.0-test9 #3 Sat Sep 16 20:38:54 MDT 2000 i686
unknown
[root@foo
Red Hat Linux release 7.0 (Guinness)
[root@foo
Does anyone else find it amusing that on the RH site, they're announcing RH7.0 while at the same time, they're running a sidebar ad urging "Get Red Hat Linux 6.2"?
"The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." -- Delos B. McKown
Have you tried ftp://cronus.res. cmu.edu/pub/linux/ftp.redhat.com/redhat-7.0/iso/ ?
It's crowded, but the iso images are there.
NcFTP will NOT auto-resume from the symlinks, because the file size is not returned properly.
/pub/redhat/releases/guinness/i386/iso) to resume, or you'll start over again (480M of download down the drain...)
So, be sure to go to the source directory (I.E.
-Falcor
Care to reccomend decent external DAC/ADC's?
Actually, we think KDE 2.0 is very important.
The reason why we've ever had problems with KDE was the non-free nature of the Qt 1.x license - with Qt 2.0 (which is used by KDE 2.0 and can't be used with KDE 1.x), these problems are gone.
Qt 2.2.0 is even GPL (we'd still prefer LGPL, but given Trolltech's business model, it's perfectly clear that it won't happen, and that's ok).
If you've checked the beta, you've probably noticed we had a CVS snapshot of KDE 2 in there - both because of the great features of KDE 2 and because we'd like to get rid of Qt 1.x's license problems.
Unfortunately, it wasn't stable enough for prime time when we had to go gold, so we had to go back to KDE_1_1_BRANCH CVS - and packaged up the current beta for the preview directory.
Moving release dates (especially without knowing for sure when the stuff will finally be ready) would have been a big pain for the business side (I'm not part of that, so I can't give you the exact details, but the basics are obvious).
It'll be in 7.1 (which is already being heavily worked on) unless the planned KDE 2.0 release date is moved by months. (Actually the internal 7.1 build already has a CVS snapshot of KDE 2).
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Thanks guys. Not only does this type of thing slam the primary sites, but it also makes it harder for the mirrors to get their own downloads.
Basically, you can make the upgrade yourself by upgrading a few things and installing a new kernel. It's not a huge release like 6.0 was, but it might be worth the money if you're not willing to wrestle with stuff like Glib, GTK, or Qt. If you want the new Gnome look without installing 7.0, your best bet is to install Helix Gnome.
Note: If you're running Pinstripe (the RH7 beta), the upgrade is a bit rocky. I would recommend either reinstalling Red Hat completely, or doing a manual upgrade.
--Dave
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Ever since redhat was started, dot zero releases are like the front bumper of car that was driven 1300 miles in south Georgia and Florida in the summer.
Wait until RedHat x.1 to downgrade.
MarNuke
This is the big question on my mind. I'm definitely upgrading, but I prefer the current Helix Gnome to what ever version Red Hat is going to include. So the question is: Will the installer replace _helix_ rpms?
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream.
That, or you are humor impaired...
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