Hey man, I love crack as much as anyone else around here, but I don't believe for a second that my 1st amendment rights should allow me to tell people where to buy crack.... of course it all depends on the context. Like if someone asks you and you say "oh, you're in the wrong town to be looking for that, you oughta go to New York or something." that could be construed as okay. But hows' the law to decide if that's okay and if you walking up to someone and saying "hey, you want some crack? Well... i don't have it on me, but if you give me $10 i'll tell you exactly which newspaper it's hidden under in that alley behind me...".
Nothing. Either way could be interpreted as you giving directions to get crack. Unless the law mandates that as long as your directions only get so and so within 10 blocks of the crack, that's illegal, but if it's any further than that it's legal...
Yeah, forfeiture laws are bullshit. Laws abridging the discussion of methamphetamine are equally bullshit. But intended to thwart people trying to stay "one step ahead of the law" are there for that purpose...
Those shares become useless if in the worst case Transmeta pulls back from their IPO because of increased questioning of the viability of their product. Or they become worth a LOT less than they could have been.
Everything doesn't have to be a conspiracy around here, you know! Just because the fabled linus works there doesn't mean that they've managed to turn lead to gold. So long as the IPO roles forward, Transmeta gets as much as it gets. It could peak at $240/share or $15/share, they get what they sold their shares to the underwriter for.
Bad publicity around their IPO doesn't hurt them so much as it hurts their investors who are looking to sell parts of their stake in order to recoup some of their investments.
Are you saying that in a given month each visitor only makes 2.5 searches? Not very likely... I know i probably do at least 10 to 15 searches through them per day...
But besides that, we can inflate the numbers accounting for stuff like that, and still your argument makes a lot of sense.
There are no charities in this world. They need to cover their costs and amass some money so that they can grow as their customer base does, and as the amount of data they need to index and store grows...
Now what would be really cool is if they figured out how much they were earning per visitor per month, round it up to the nearest $4.95 (which is probably what it'd work out to be) and offer a premium search service that didn't have any ads so long as you paid your subscription fee. People that didn't want to pay would get ads and that's that. Anything so long as they don't change their ways of ranking results by the number of pages linked to them to something like the amount of pages linked * the money the site owner pays them per hit...
No... But transmeta's been making all sorts of claims as to 8 hour or all day battery life. Toshiba's turning around and saying "we can't do that with currently available components".
Maybe next, transmeta will recommend that they install 512 megs of ram and forgo a hard drive, just to get the battery to last a bit longer.
Transmeta should have taken a second to look around the industry and really take an educated guess about what impact it would have given the current state of component supplies. But if they did that, their coing out party in January wouldn't have had the same impact.
Same performance at 1/4 the power consumption vs.
1/2 the performance at 1/2 the power consumption.
Take your pick. I'm thinking the first claim will stand to have a lot more people lining up to buy one of their new CPU's... and without them being able to ship anything, so we can't find reviews, I'd think that it'd be pretty wise to listen to thier investors and customers.
Next thing i'll be able to say that I created a car that gets 150 miles/gallon. But only when using this special gas. Oh and that gas, it hasn't been invented yet. So until then, my car is only going to get 30 miles/gallon. So line up everyone and rave about how one day you might be able to get your 150 miles/gallon, no matter how far it might be.
Ummmm in some cases, any press is good press, but it's hardly good press when one of your investors starts dissing your products and therefore attacking your business plan just before your IPO. That's NOT good. If Toshiba was thinking "what's best for us and our investment in transmeta" the thing to say is not "yeah, their product sucks!" and sit back and wait for the IPO, it's to say things like "We're really excited by the Crusoe microprocessors and the adantages that are promised. We plan to rapidly deploy Crusoe chips across a number of our product lines".
There are so many things in the world that Toshiba could have said, this really means that they're NOT AT ALL IMPRESSED by them. If this story keeps getting reiterated, and especially if other big name investors or customers come forward with the same story, things won't be looking hot for them at all.
Well, Toshiba's probably in one of the best positions needed to make a (I don't know if it's appriopriate to say:) unbiased statement. Or at least they have no anti-transmeta feelings for slashdot to jump all over. They own a chunk of Transmeta, which means that if it were possible, they'ed want to be making good statments about them. They're also in all likelihood receiving chips from Transmeta as we speak, testing them and evaluating them, so they're not just speaking on guesswork, as the rest of us are:)
People should step back and say "If Linus had never worked there, would I still be at all interested in this company? Or for that matter, would I have ever heard of it?" In most cases, no and no.
Except openBSD can't use more than one processor, so that rules it out for many applications. Plus we don't know all the specifics of what they'ed be intending the machines to do, where maybe there's a LOT of changes mandated that the default install won't be the default anymore, and hence maybe some new bugs will creep in.
Plus it's canadian. For a matter of national pride, the gov't isn't likely to adopt software that was developed outside of the states...
I didn't actually look at the author of this story until i was too late. I only assumed corporate conspiracies = jonkatz. Anyways. Why is it even mentioned that tghe international space staion is brighter than lots of stars. Of course it is. It's only 1000 million light years closer!
Intel conspiracies are sometimes funny.
Microsoft conspiracies are definetly amusing.
But when you start saying that the cosmos has dimmed just so that we may see nike logo's in the sky, I mean, that's just a little far, don't you think? Even for/.????
What next, are you going to say that god (if he or she exists) hates Linux? Heavan runs Windows 2000 and there are no crashes? What are you getting at here?>??
If you're dealing with 150 meg images with only 384 megs of RAM, of course it's going to run slow as all hell. Try doubling up or tripling your RAM, and cut down on the number of undos you're allowing illustrator to have. And unless you need the version 9 features like live updates to transparencies and stuff, disable that as well, or even better, downgrade to version 8.
A fast processor is no excuse for not enough memory.
He never says that an OS *needs* a GUI. It just needs an interface of some sort and some utilities. For instance, the Linux kernel, by itself, isn't an OS. It isn't. It's a kernel. But a Linux distribution, is one. That's how I read it, anyhow.
Now, where we draw the line as to what is included in the OS and how far the gap is bridged by the OS and how far it is bridged by applications is open to debate
Nah... The DOJ figured that out for us, don't you remember?:)
I think, just as with every other term, "operating system" needs to be updated for a new era. Back in the "old days" the operating ststem was what stood between the hardware and the applications. These days, that's called the "kernel". The "operating system" encompasses the kernel and all the basic utilities that the various vendors choose to include in their installation media.
Just as the Windows OS includes a web browser, media viewer, and various low-end editors (previously "separate" applications), the various Linux's and BSD's include compilers, servers and various other "separate" apps which used to need to be purchased separately.
The OS is a "system" of applications and utilities that make the computer actually (even if barely) functional out of the box.
I wonder what page it'll take me to if i scan the barcode off of the persons neck in the ZeroKnowledge ads? Probably RadioShack(TM) cloaking devices or something of the sort.
Ummm. There are and have been several "processor independant" OSes. Or at least "multi platform OSes", such as NetBSD, Solaris, Linux, Windows NT, and OpenStep. Witness how far any of those have taken off, at least in their "cross platform" incarnations.
So far as processor independant apps. We already have that with Java. And again, it's not doing much for joe consumer. Great for enterprise computing, but not much use for anyone else...
The point being, if people wanted and cared about those things, then we'd have them already. The motivations already there, it's just a matter of customer demand. And I don't think that's going to happen any day soon...
Make a MySQL database, serve.pl pages through apache and lookup books with a web browser. It just doesn't seem to complicated. You'd need what? a 8 or 9 column table to store all your books. If you wanted to get really fancy, you could store the authors in a separate table and be able to look up all the books by a given author, etc...
And if you're not up for doing much work and aren't especially up for the opensource aspect (dumb statement follows:), a mac or windows box running filemaker pro would have your web enabled database up and running in half an hour, if you have any form of clue:) (READ: Filemakers dead-on easy for tasks like this...)
It's just some lame attempt at a publicity stunt. You can't sue someone just for the sake of suing someone. They need to have materialy harmed you. So what, is mp3board going to say that gnutella is unfair competition for them, or something? If not, then it's just an attempt at getting their names into headlines/potential users minds. A bad one, at that.
I thought this only concerned OEM CD's. And machines bought straight from places like Dell and Gateway, Microsoft was supplying a "system restore" CD that reinstall windows, as well as install components occasionally, as needed. Further more, if you buy a machine from them and get the OEM priced version of Windows with that machine, and then decide that you'd rather have that box be a Linux box, you have no legal right to transfer that license to another machine. It says so in the license agreement... You wouldn't be screwed out of anything, then. If you want a copy of Windows which you can transfer the license of from machine to machine, you'll need to buy the full priced one...
The 68k-PPC transition was one that Apple undertook, not motorolla or IBM. The 68k series continued onwards, to at least the 68060. Yes, Motorolla built the 68k's and builds some of the PowerPC's, but the PowerPC wasn't a radical new step in the 68K family tree, like Anand was trying to imply Intel's doing with the x86.
Are you sure that it doesn't have any nasty DEC/Compaq licensing problems, though? Or could Cyrix, IBM, MIPS, and Sun all start building processors for EV6 without even going so far as to mention it to Compaq?
I never understand why anyone would want to buy a Mac system in order to run linux on it anyways... Macs (and Sparcs, Alphas, and everything else under the sun) play second teir to x86 so far as x86 is concerned. Like that new commercial app that was just released for Linux? Want to run it on your screamingly fast alpha linux box? Tough luck...
That said, i can't wait to spare the money for a G4 running OS X...I'll be in line for it just as soon as a public beta is made available...
Regardless, though, if you like the MacOS, you really should check out today's powerbooks. Like everything else made during their financial turmoil, those old powerbooks are pieces of crap. But now that they're turned around and are much more focused, they're releasing spectacular machines, once again.
*most* people that buy notebooks intend to use them for work, rather than for presentations. If it's just going to drive a LCD projector, then a dualscan display is indeed good enough. But for doing real work, outside of a command line, dualscan displays are just attrocious (says the owner of a rarely used Powerbook 1400cs).
How come things like Photoshop 3.0 for the PowerPC required 8 more megs of RAM than the 68k version, then? With just about every program which was available in 68k and PPC versions, the PPC version always required a bit more memory than the non PPC version, but if you turned on virtual memory their requirements would become equal. I always thought it was because of the RISC chip having fewer instructions and therefore needing to have more code (simpler) to execute what the 68k could do with less (but more complex) code.
RISC code is larger than CISC. Then there's all sorts of things like power management, rudimentary GUI, hand writing recognition (grafiti or the like). The GUI's probably the killer though. You don't need much overhead to manage a commandline. you do need it when drawing objects on screen and following the movments of a stylus. More developed API's to make coding apps easier also create "bloat"
An actual developer could probably give you a more thorough list of what a modern handheld OS provides over COMMAND.COM.
Sorry, but the desktop metaphor doesn't translate well to the palm of your hand. And what's a start menu doing eating up such valuable real estate? And 8 hours per charge? Please! I'll take my 5-8 weeks from a pair of AAA's any day over that.
You posted on the wrong thread. The original complaint here was that a java-based OS would be too complicated for a secratary to use. Not many secrataries are going to do things like define function call interfaces, worry about memory allocation, etc...:)
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Hey man, I love crack as much as anyone else around here, but I don't believe for a second that my 1st amendment rights should allow me to tell people where to buy crack.... of course it all depends on the context. Like if someone asks you and you say "oh, you're in the wrong town to be looking for that, you oughta go to New York or something." that could be construed as okay. But hows' the law to decide if that's okay and if you walking up to someone and saying "hey, you want some crack? Well... i don't have it on me, but if you give me $10 i'll tell you exactly which newspaper it's hidden under in that alley behind me...".
:P
Nothing. Either way could be interpreted as you giving directions to get crack. Unless the law mandates that as long as your directions only get so and so within 10 blocks of the crack, that's illegal, but if it's any further than that it's legal...
Yeah, forfeiture laws are bullshit. Laws abridging the discussion of methamphetamine are equally bullshit. But intended to thwart people trying to stay "one step ahead of the law" are there for that purpose...
Wow... did i wander or what?!?
So, yeah, anyways, go smoke crack or something
Those shares become useless if in the worst case Transmeta pulls back from their IPO because of increased questioning of the viability of their product. Or they become worth a LOT less than they could have been.
Everything doesn't have to be a conspiracy around here, you know! Just because the fabled linus works there doesn't mean that they've managed to turn lead to gold. So long as the IPO roles forward, Transmeta gets as much as it gets. It could peak at $240/share or $15/share, they get what they sold their shares to the underwriter for.
Bad publicity around their IPO doesn't hurt them so much as it hurts their investors who are looking to sell parts of their stake in order to recoup some of their investments.
Are you saying that in a given month each visitor only makes 2.5 searches? Not very likely... I know i probably do at least 10 to 15 searches through them per day...
But besides that, we can inflate the numbers accounting for stuff like that, and still your argument makes a lot of sense.
There are no charities in this world. They need to cover their costs and amass some money so that they can grow as their customer base does, and as the amount of data they need to index and store grows...
Now what would be really cool is if they figured out how much they were earning per visitor per month, round it up to the nearest $4.95 (which is probably what it'd work out to be) and offer a premium search service that didn't have any ads so long as you paid your subscription fee. People that didn't want to pay would get ads and that's that. Anything so long as they don't change their ways of ranking results by the number of pages linked to them to something like the amount of pages linked * the money the site owner pays them per hit...
No... But transmeta's been making all sorts of claims as to 8 hour or all day battery life. Toshiba's turning around and saying "we can't do that with currently available components".
Maybe next, transmeta will recommend that they install 512 megs of ram and forgo a hard drive, just to get the battery to last a bit longer.
Transmeta should have taken a second to look around the industry and really take an educated guess about what impact it would have given the current state of component supplies. But if they did that, their coing out party in January wouldn't have had the same impact.
Same performance at 1/4 the power consumption vs.
1/2 the performance at 1/2 the power consumption.
Take your pick. I'm thinking the first claim will stand to have a lot more people lining up to buy one of their new CPU's... and without them being able to ship anything, so we can't find reviews, I'd think that it'd be pretty wise to listen to thier investors and customers.
Next thing i'll be able to say that I created a car that gets 150 miles/gallon. But only when using this special gas. Oh and that gas, it hasn't been invented yet. So until then, my car is only going to get 30 miles/gallon. So line up everyone and rave about how one day you might be able to get your 150 miles/gallon, no matter how far it might be.
Ummmm in some cases, any press is good press, but it's hardly good press when one of your investors starts dissing your products and therefore attacking your business plan just before your IPO. That's NOT good. If Toshiba was thinking "what's best for us and our investment in transmeta" the thing to say is not "yeah, their product sucks!" and sit back and wait for the IPO, it's to say things like "We're really excited by the Crusoe microprocessors and the adantages that are promised. We plan to rapidly deploy Crusoe chips across a number of our product lines".
There are so many things in the world that Toshiba could have said, this really means that they're NOT AT ALL IMPRESSED by them. If this story keeps getting reiterated, and especially if other big name investors or customers come forward with the same story, things won't be looking hot for them at all.
Well, Toshiba's probably in one of the best positions needed to make a (I don't know if it's appriopriate to say:) unbiased statement. Or at least they have no anti-transmeta feelings for slashdot to jump all over. They own a chunk of Transmeta, which means that if it were possible, they'ed want to be making good statments about them. They're also in all likelihood receiving chips from Transmeta as we speak, testing them and evaluating them, so they're not just speaking on guesswork, as the rest of us are :)
People should step back and say "If Linus had never worked there, would I still be at all interested in this company? Or for that matter, would I have ever heard of it?" In most cases, no and no.
Except openBSD can't use more than one processor, so that rules it out for many applications. Plus we don't know all the specifics of what they'ed be intending the machines to do, where maybe there's a LOT of changes mandated that the default install won't be the default anymore, and hence maybe some new bugs will creep in.
Plus it's canadian. For a matter of national pride, the gov't isn't likely to adopt software that was developed outside of the states...
I didn't actually look at the author of this story until i was too late. I only assumed corporate conspiracies = jonkatz. Anyways. Why is it even mentioned that tghe international space staion is brighter than lots of stars. Of course it is. It's only 1000 million light years closer!
/.????
Intel conspiracies are sometimes funny.
Microsoft conspiracies are definetly amusing.
But when you start saying that the cosmos has dimmed just so that we may see nike logo's in the sky, I mean, that's just a little far, don't you think? Even for
What next, are you going to say that god (if he or she exists) hates Linux? Heavan runs Windows 2000 and there are no crashes? What are you getting at here?>??
Yes, because the command promp provides a means of interacting with the computer.
If you're dealing with 150 meg images with only 384 megs of RAM, of course it's going to run slow as all hell. Try doubling up or tripling your RAM, and cut down on the number of undos you're allowing illustrator to have. And unless you need the version 9 features like live updates to transparencies and stuff, disable that as well, or even better, downgrade to version 8.
A fast processor is no excuse for not enough memory.
He never says that an OS *needs* a GUI. It just needs an interface of some sort and some utilities. For instance, the Linux kernel, by itself, isn't an OS. It isn't. It's a kernel. But a Linux distribution, is one. That's how I read it, anyhow.
Now, where we draw the line as to what is included in the OS and how far the gap is bridged by the OS and how far it is bridged by applications is open to debate
:)
Nah... The DOJ figured that out for us, don't you remember?
I think, just as with every other term, "operating system" needs to be updated for a new era. Back in the "old days" the operating ststem was what stood between the hardware and the applications. These days, that's called the "kernel". The "operating system" encompasses the kernel and all the basic utilities that the various vendors choose to include in their installation media.
Just as the Windows OS includes a web browser, media viewer, and various low-end editors (previously "separate" applications), the various Linux's and BSD's include compilers, servers and various other "separate" apps which used to need to be purchased separately.
The OS is a "system" of applications and utilities that make the computer actually (even if barely) functional out of the box.
I wonder what page it'll take me to if i scan the barcode off of the persons neck in the ZeroKnowledge ads? Probably RadioShack(TM) cloaking devices or something of the sort.
Ummm. There are and have been several "processor independant" OSes. Or at least "multi platform OSes", such as NetBSD, Solaris, Linux, Windows NT, and OpenStep. Witness how far any of those have taken off, at least in their "cross platform" incarnations.
So far as processor independant apps. We already have that with Java. And again, it's not doing much for joe consumer. Great for enterprise computing, but not much use for anyone else...
The point being, if people wanted and cared about those things, then we'd have them already. The motivations already there, it's just a matter of customer demand. And I don't think that's going to happen any day soon...
Make a MySQL database, serve .pl pages through apache and lookup books with a web browser. It just doesn't seem to complicated. You'd need what? a 8 or 9 column table to store all your books. If you wanted to get really fancy, you could store the authors in a separate table and be able to look up all the books by a given author, etc...
:) (READ: Filemakers dead-on easy for tasks like this...)
And if you're not up for doing much work and aren't especially up for the opensource aspect (dumb statement follows:), a mac or windows box running filemaker pro would have your web enabled database up and running in half an hour, if you have any form of clue
It's just some lame attempt at a publicity stunt. You can't sue someone just for the sake of suing someone. They need to have materialy harmed you. So what, is mp3board going to say that gnutella is unfair competition for them, or something? If not, then it's just an attempt at getting their names into headlines/potential users minds. A bad one, at that.
I thought this only concerned OEM CD's. And machines bought straight from places like Dell and Gateway, Microsoft was supplying a "system restore" CD that reinstall windows, as well as install components occasionally, as needed. Further more, if you buy a machine from them and get the OEM priced version of Windows with that machine, and then decide that you'd rather have that box be a Linux box, you have no legal right to transfer that license to another machine. It says so in the license agreement... You wouldn't be screwed out of anything, then. If you want a copy of Windows which you can transfer the license of from machine to machine, you'll need to buy the full priced one...
The 68k-PPC transition was one that Apple undertook, not motorolla or IBM. The 68k series continued onwards, to at least the 68060. Yes, Motorolla built the 68k's and builds some of the PowerPC's, but the PowerPC wasn't a radical new step in the 68K family tree, like Anand was trying to imply Intel's doing with the x86.
Are you sure that it doesn't have any nasty DEC/Compaq licensing problems, though? Or could Cyrix, IBM, MIPS, and Sun all start building processors for EV6 without even going so far as to mention it to Compaq?
I never understand why anyone would want to buy a Mac system in order to run linux on it anyways... Macs (and Sparcs, Alphas, and everything else under the sun) play second teir to x86 so far as x86 is concerned. Like that new commercial app that was just released for Linux? Want to run it on your screamingly fast alpha linux box? Tough luck...
That said, i can't wait to spare the money for a G4 running OS X...I'll be in line for it just as soon as a public beta is made available...
Regardless, though, if you like the MacOS, you really should check out today's powerbooks. Like everything else made during their financial turmoil, those old powerbooks are pieces of crap. But now that they're turned around and are much more focused, they're releasing spectacular machines, once again.
You're not comparing like models.
*most* people that buy notebooks intend to use them for work, rather than for presentations. If it's just going to drive a LCD projector, then a dualscan display is indeed good enough. But for doing real work, outside of a command line, dualscan displays are just attrocious (says the owner of a rarely used Powerbook 1400cs).
How come things like Photoshop 3.0 for the PowerPC required 8 more megs of RAM than the 68k version, then? With just about every program which was available in 68k and PPC versions, the PPC version always required a bit more memory than the non PPC version, but if you turned on virtual memory their requirements would become equal. I always thought it was because of the RISC chip having fewer instructions and therefore needing to have more code (simpler) to execute what the 68k could do with less (but more complex) code.
RISC code is larger than CISC. Then there's all sorts of things like power management, rudimentary GUI, hand writing recognition (grafiti or the like). The GUI's probably the killer though. You don't need much overhead to manage a commandline. you do need it when drawing objects on screen and following the movments of a stylus. More developed API's to make coding apps easier also create "bloat"
An actual developer could probably give you a more thorough list of what a modern handheld OS provides over COMMAND.COM.
Sorry, but the desktop metaphor doesn't translate well to the palm of your hand. And what's a start menu doing eating up such valuable real estate? And 8 hours per charge? Please! I'll take my 5-8 weeks from a pair of AAA's any day over that.
You posted on the wrong thread. The original complaint here was that a java-based OS would be too complicated for a secratary to use. Not many secrataries are going to do things like define function call interfaces, worry about memory allocation, etc... :)