The big difference between it and mail we have now is that only the notification of mail is sent, not the mail itself.
Options:
a) Notification contains no sender-modifiable content. No way to know if you want it or not. You say yes and wind up with spam from unknown server. b) Notification winds up containing the entire spam as subject line, and the supposed server it's coming from doesn't exist. c) Spammers break into millions of unsecured Windows boxes and run 'mail servers' on them.
Are you sure its the disk? What are the specs on your lappy?
I don't know about the parent, but my laptop is a P4 2.66 Ghz with 512Mb memory and a 60 Gb hard disk (Sony Vaio PCG-FR825P). I'm seeing massive slowdowns whenever the disk needs to be accessed, and I suspect (this is a new machine replacing my older Toshiba piece of shit) that the hard disk being only 4200rpm is my main problem.
I've plugged in an external 7200rpm USB2 disk and compared a complex database operation both on the internal and external disks - it was much faster with the/var/lib/postgres/data mounted on the external disk. Hardly a reliable benchmark (and I can't show the transactions - they're part of a piece of software I'm writing for work), but enough to make me wish I had a faster internal disk!
I'm tempted by the downgrade (some things feel slower than my P2/266 Acer 510T from back in 2000), but then I wouldn't have the DB engine for the work I'm doing.
Try changing from mousedev to usbhid or the reverse. I had issues with trying to have one with the scrollwheel and the other without, and switching which driver I used fixed it - the 2.6 series combines all the mice into/dev/input/mouse, but you need to convince the kernel to treat the input devices differently if you want a scroll wheel on one and a touchpad on the other.
One argument is that yes, geeks do not socialize. More specifically, the author argues that the Internet is inherently detrimental to social debate:
That might be so, but when my now wife and I went backpacking around Europe a couple of years ago, the best places we stayed and the nicest people we met were people who I'd found through Usenet and who had offered us somewhere to stay.
I also found the first job I had out of University through people I knew from Usenet, and am still working with people I met through that job.
So no, I don't think that the internet has done nothing for socialization. On the other hand, I can see that political discussion doesn't work quite the same way - it's harder to avoid the trolls online (you can't just punch them out;)
Who makes a decision like that only to turn around a month later and say he would have done the exact opposite. If I were a shareholder, that wouldn't inspire confidence in my CEO... sheesh!
You're right. I'd have lots more confidence on a CEO who insisted that he's made the right decision all along when all the evidence was pointing out he'd made a mistake. I have no respect whatsoever for people who can recognise their mistakes within a month. I'd much prefer to invest in companies run by people who don't notice that they've made mistakes, and I certainly don't want to invest in companies which admit to mistakes when they make them.
twat.
Come back and hop on your all so smarmy high-horse when you're the CEO of a successful company which never, ever makes mistakes.
Yeah, right through our firewall which only allows my ssh connections through because it remembers back when I was sysadmin for that office and needed them. Not to mention I don't have admin control of the servers, and don't have a clue if they're set up to allow encryption. I somewhat doubt it if it involves much work or knowing the more intricate details of operating Notes.
SSH is just a nice way to wrap a TCP connection and shepherd it through various unfriendly routes without worrying about reducing your security too much...
The only reason I would ever go near Lotus Notes is if my employer forced me to use it. Unfortunately, this is the case for me.
Amen brother.
It does export a fairly comprehensive API via COM, so I've done a few evil things with Perl talking to Notes and extracting things like messages, headers, attachments, etc. Interesting seeing a very "we tacked on RFC822 afterwards" approach to email.
Unfortunately I haven't managed to make it work with Notes under Crossover Office (yes, I do own a licenced copy, so I can tell work that my Notes install is supported) - but that's probably because I just installed Notes on a FAT32 partition and mapped the mountpoint to the same drive letter under Crossover.
If there's one thing I can say in Notes' favour - it only uses port 1352 TCP, and if you can ssh forward that and toss a hosts file entry in, you're set. I've done this under both Windows and Linux, and it's a godsend when I need to VPN in from somewhere strange and don't have all the ipass/checkpoint crap available.
You have to remember that Notes is an OS that just happens to have a mail client tacked on, and runs inside another OS. It's just a little heavy weight for a mail client though.
"My name is Martin Michlmayr, and I hope that you will re-elect me as your Debian Project Leader" -- I had to double-check, thinking he might not be a native English speaker
Funnily enough - he isn't, though he did a good enough job when I met him.
I think it's interesting how democracies tend to change every so often as we dwell on the failures of those in leadership and forget to notice the quiet advances those same people have made. Interesting how the new one never seems that much better.
Branden would certainly have a different focus - and the question is which area of focus is better for Debian at the moment, Branden's strict constitutional interpretation and "from the ranks" approach as a very active package maintainer, or Martin's more relaxed interpretation of the constitution and behind the scenes / package process support approach.
If you read past the initial PhD section of Martin's bio, you'll notice that he has worked intensively in the Quality Assurance and New Maintainer areas. Ensuring that bugs get dealt with and that new people are coming on board to maintain packages is just as important as maintaining the packages yourself.
Branden does make some very good points however, that without a constitution a government is nothing.
I'm not a developer, just a very avid user who should have got off my arse ages ago and become a developer. Oh well. If I was voting, I would vote for Martin as project leader on the basis that I believe Debian has plenty of maintainers and not enough QA (check the release critical bug count some time), but I would ask him politely to respect the constition or start the process for it to be changed. I don't know the background for the disputed 'delegates' situation, and I don't know if the best solution is changing the constitution or delegating the specific people Branden names.
And, AC. Maybe you should be aware that being active on development mailing lists is not the only way of doing anything.
They called the helpdesk and told them to fix it, and they replied "we're salaried, we don't get paid to work after 5." And the general fired them all the very next day and replaced them with military. With military if they don't go do their job they get locked up.
But that's exactly the point - it _wasn't_ their job. Their job was to fix networks before 5. If the General required people who worked after 5, then he should have arranged for overtime to be paid for work outside salaried hours.
If you want someone 24/7, then you pay them 24/7 - easy.
Keep contact with those who are let go. Hard to do for some I know, but it is a good plan. When they get a job, odds are it is with a company that is looking for more people. When you are hit, send them your resume. One place I worked hired a lot of people by the manager going to one person and asking who would be good for a position. That guy gave them a name, and position was 90% filled before the person named even knew it existed.
I don't know about where you work, but I've signed a piece of paper saying that I won't headhunt people away from the company if I leave. It's for 6 months, but I think it's fair enough. Of course if they leave of their own accord, then I can hardly be faulted for dropping hints that somewhere else is hiring...
(not that I'm actually planning on leaving any time soon)
I do it regularily, deleting 25 spam messages with a single good one embedded in it when I just woke up before I had my coffee is not a good thing;)
So do I, which is why I have a separate mail folder into which absolutely everything gets saved, always. If I realise I've deleted something, I can always go back and get it.
Helps to have a colocated server with a pile of RAIDed disk in it for that though - once it's on the server it doesn't cost any more to keep a copy.
Just a brief nitpick here, but I think that most versions of getty actually spawn login, which is what reads the shadow file. But they can only read the shadow file as they have root privileges, there is no "and stuff like...". Just root. You'll note that passwd can no longer be used by normal users if you take away its SUID 0 status.
And right back at you. Have you ever actually looked at the file, or are you just talking out of your arse?
brong@dariat~>ls -la/etc/shadow -rw-r----- 1 root shadow 1320 Dec 28 10:51/etc/shadow
This is Debian GNU/Linux - but I remember similar things on BSD and other U*IX like OSen that I've used. Shadow group is a concept that's not exactly new, and it means that tools which only read, and should never write, the password file can be partitioned off where they can't do much damage.
Slashdot does need a 'full of shit' moderation.
The 'passwd' command on the other hand needs to write the password file, and hence needs root privs.
Oh, and a good reason not to use LDAP (and I speak from experience here) is that it leads to single points of failure. We've switched to using centrally managed/etc/passwd and/etc/shadow synchronised out to all machines by the configuration management tools. Far fewer messy failure modes.
If you want to come up with an OS where there isn't a shadow group for/etc/shadow, feel free - but I haven't seen it anywhere I've had to care.
And its all an opt-in type system, where the people (our associates) have indicated they want to receive our updates via email, and they can opt-out at any time
So you send it without hash-cash, and those who have really _really_ opted in to your emails will have you in their whitelist and receive the emails. Those who haven't added you to their whitelist obviously didn't care enough to opt you in at their end, and won't hear from you.
Alternatively, you could have a single token which you use in all email to the person, and they have a trust set up for that token. If the token starts leaking spam, they deny the token. Easy.
On an old SPARC Ultra 80, ssh into the box isn't FAST, but it is possible for remote management.
I've had similar issues with very slow ssh on old Sun hardware - much slower than similar speed PC hardware, and I suspect that it's the lack of a good random number generator.
I haven't done any real analysis though, because I don't need to ssh in often enough to care.
In the system described here, once bad data gets into your microwave oven there's virtually no way to chase down all the instances of it that will be floating around the universe. Didn't Sandra Bullock star in a movie about this once?
While in a better designed version of the same thing, where everything contained a link to the canonical version of the information, and possibly cached it for a sane length of time, then this wouldn't happen - you would update your current address, and suddenly _everyone_ who had a copy of the canonical location would have the new value.
Add a little strong crypto - unguessable URIs for data and possibly even encrypt the value of the field to each entity who's supposed to have a copy, in such a way that they can't leak the URI without you knowing who sold your information.
However, if you don't need virtual volumes, yes, 2.6 definitely: 1) rocks
I'll agree here.
2) is stable.
Not so definite on this one, particularly since my laptop freezes every time I do really intensive database work (and I mean _really_ intensive here - the postmaster process is sitting at 99% CPU utilisation for upwards of 12 hours when it doesn't crash).
Oh well - I'm running test9 as packaged by Debian - I should grab a test11 and see if it still crashes. Or maybe just boot back into 2.4.23 and get some work done.
did that at computer camp once... it was build and repair a PC class
So, we jammed it in--backwards...
He told us to wait for him to check everything out, but I was impatient. I plugged it in, turned it on
You know, you really are a prime fucking luser.
The guy was actually a bit of a jerk--he was like, "you know, I have half a mind to bill you for that!".
Too bloody right - he should have. You broke his equipment through stupidity and negligence. You were on a course to _learn_ shit, not break it.
First, it was a mistake--accidents happen.
Actually, they're usually caused by fuckheads who think they know better, and go ahead and do something they have been explicitly instructed not to do.
Well, he never did [bill you for your stupidity], but he was a bit of a jackass.
I'd say he was a very nice person who was well within his rights to bill you for breaking his equipment through your own hubris and inability to follow simple instructions.
It's posts like this that make me glad slashdot has a way of up-or-down scoring people.
Slashdot Mirror
The big difference between it and mail we have now is that only the notification of mail is sent, not the mail itself.
Options:
a) Notification contains no sender-modifiable content. No way to know if you want it or not. You say yes and wind up with spam from unknown server.
b) Notification winds up containing the entire spam as subject line, and the supposed server it's coming from doesn't exist.
c) Spammers break into millions of unsecured Windows boxes and run 'mail servers' on them.
Nice try, but no cigar.
Are you sure its the disk? What are the specs on your lappy?
/var/lib/postgres/data mounted on the external disk. Hardly a reliable benchmark (and I can't show the transactions - they're part of a piece of software I'm writing for work), but enough to make me wish I had a faster internal disk!
I don't know about the parent, but my laptop is a P4 2.66 Ghz with 512Mb memory and a 60 Gb hard disk (Sony Vaio PCG-FR825P). I'm seeing massive slowdowns whenever the disk needs to be accessed, and I suspect (this is a new machine replacing my older Toshiba piece of shit) that the hard disk being only 4200rpm is my main problem.
I've plugged in an external 7200rpm USB2 disk and compared a complex database operation both on the internal and external disks - it was much faster with the
I'm tempted by the downgrade (some things feel slower than my P2/266 Acer 510T from back in 2000), but then I wouldn't have the DB engine for the work I'm doing.
Try changing from mousedev to usbhid or the reverse. I had issues with trying to have one with the scrollwheel and the other without, and switching which driver I used fixed it - the 2.6 series combines all the mice into /dev/input/mouse, but you need to convince the kernel to treat the input devices differently if you want a scroll wheel on one and a touchpad on the other.
One argument is that yes, geeks do not socialize. More specifically, the author argues that the Internet is inherently detrimental to social debate:
;)
That might be so, but when my now wife and I went backpacking around Europe a couple of years ago, the best places we stayed and the nicest people we met were people who I'd found through Usenet and who had offered us somewhere to stay.
I also found the first job I had out of University through people I knew from Usenet, and am still working with people I met through that job.
So no, I don't think that the internet has done nothing for socialization. On the other hand, I can see that political discussion doesn't work quite the same way - it's harder to avoid the trolls online (you can't just punch them out
Who makes a decision like that only to turn around a month later and say he would have done the exact opposite. If I were a shareholder, that wouldn't inspire confidence in my CEO... sheesh!
You're right. I'd have lots more confidence on a CEO who insisted that he's made the right decision all along when all the evidence was pointing out he'd made a mistake. I have no respect whatsoever for people who can recognise their mistakes within a month. I'd much prefer to invest in companies run by people who don't notice that they've made mistakes, and I certainly don't want to invest in companies which admit to mistakes when they make them.
twat.
Come back and hop on your all so smarmy high-horse when you're the CEO of a successful company which never, ever makes mistakes.
Yeah, right through our firewall which only allows my ssh connections through because it remembers back when I was sysadmin for that office and needed them. Not to mention I don't have admin control of the servers, and don't have a clue if they're set up to allow encryption. I somewhat doubt it if it involves much work or knowing the more intricate details of operating Notes.
SSH is just a nice way to wrap a TCP connection and shepherd it through various unfriendly routes without worrying about reducing your security too much...
Who needs to buy the book, i read the whole thing in the article :)
No, you just read the executive summary. Off to the golf course with you.
The only reason I would ever go near Lotus Notes is if my employer forced me to use it. Unfortunately, this is the case for me.
Amen brother.
It does export a fairly comprehensive API via COM, so I've done a few evil things with Perl talking to Notes and extracting things like messages, headers, attachments, etc. Interesting seeing a very "we tacked on RFC822 afterwards" approach to email.
Unfortunately I haven't managed to make it work with Notes under Crossover Office (yes, I do own a licenced copy, so I can tell work that my Notes install is supported) - but that's probably because I just installed Notes on a FAT32 partition and mapped the mountpoint to the same drive letter under Crossover.
If there's one thing I can say in Notes' favour - it only uses port 1352 TCP, and if you can ssh forward that and toss a hosts file entry in, you're set. I've done this under both Windows and Linux, and it's a godsend when I need to VPN in from somewhere strange and don't have all the ipass/checkpoint crap available.
You have to remember that Notes is an OS that just happens to have a mail client tacked on, and runs inside another OS. It's just a little heavy weight for a mail client though.
2K4 == 2400, which is slightly different from 2004. What's with the need to be 'leet by misusing technical jargon anyway?
"My name is Martin Michlmayr, and I hope that you will re-elect me as your Debian Project Leader" -- I had to double-check, thinking he might not be a native English speaker
Funnily enough - he isn't, though he did a good enough job when I met him.
I think it's interesting how democracies tend to change every so often as we dwell on the failures of those in leadership and forget to notice the quiet advances those same people have made. Interesting how the new one never seems that much better.
Branden would certainly have a different focus - and the question is which area of focus is better for Debian at the moment, Branden's strict constitutional interpretation and "from the ranks" approach as a very active package maintainer, or Martin's more relaxed interpretation of the constitution and behind the scenes / package process support approach.
If you read past the initial PhD section of Martin's bio, you'll notice that he has worked intensively in the Quality Assurance and New Maintainer areas. Ensuring that bugs get dealt with and that new people are coming on board to maintain packages is just as important as maintaining the packages yourself.
Branden does make some very good points however, that without a constitution a government is nothing.
I'm not a developer, just a very avid user who should have got off my arse ages ago and become a developer. Oh well. If I was voting, I would vote for Martin as project leader on the basis that I believe Debian has plenty of maintainers and not enough QA (check the release critical bug count some time), but I would ask him politely to respect the constition or start the process for it to be changed. I don't know the background for the disputed 'delegates' situation, and I don't know if the best solution is changing the constitution or delegating the specific people Branden names.
And, AC. Maybe you should be aware that being active on development mailing lists is not the only way of doing anything.
They called the helpdesk and told them to fix it, and they replied "we're salaried, we don't get paid to work after 5." And the general fired them all the very next day and replaced them with military. With military if they don't go do their job they get locked up.
But that's exactly the point - it _wasn't_ their job. Their job was to fix networks before 5. If the General required people who worked after 5, then he should have arranged for overtime to be paid for work outside salaried hours.
If you want someone 24/7, then you pay them 24/7 - easy.
Keep contact with those who are let go. Hard to do for some I know, but it is a good plan. When they get a job, odds are it is with a company that is looking for more people. When you are hit, send them your resume. One place I worked hired a lot of people by the manager going to one person and asking who would be good for a position. That guy gave them a name, and position was 90% filled before the person named even knew it existed.
I don't know about where you work, but I've signed a piece of paper saying that I won't headhunt people away from the company if I leave. It's for 6 months, but I think it's fair enough. Of course if they leave of their own accord, then I can hardly be faulted for dropping hints that somewhere else is hiring...
(not that I'm actually planning on leaving any time soon)
I do it regularily, deleting 25 spam messages with a single good one embedded in it when I just woke up before I had my coffee is not a good thing ;)
So do I, which is why I have a separate mail folder into which absolutely everything gets saved, always. If I realise I've deleted something, I can always go back and get it.
Helps to have a colocated server with a pile of RAIDed disk in it for that though - once it's on the server it doesn't cost any more to keep a copy.
I've seen that exact same comment before, attached to a comment on a different story.
It's a troll, move along, nothing to see here.
That would have a lot more strength if you linked to the alleged earlier comment, hence allowing anyone to see that your allegation was true.
print("<a href="abuse@forbes.com">" . md5(microtime()) ."@forbes.com</a><br>\n");
My god - there's so much wrong with this piece of code that I don't even want to start.
Just a brief nitpick here, but I think that most versions of getty actually spawn login, which is what reads the shadow file. But they can only read the shadow file as they have root privileges, there is no "and stuff like...". Just root. You'll note that passwd can no longer be used by normal users if you take away its SUID 0 status.
/etc/shadow /etc/shadow
/etc/passwd and /etc/shadow synchronised out to all machines by the configuration management tools. Far fewer messy failure modes.
/etc/shadow, feel free - but I haven't seen it anywhere I've had to care.
And right back at you. Have you ever actually looked at the file, or are you just talking out of your arse?
brong@dariat~>ls -la
-rw-r----- 1 root shadow 1320 Dec 28 10:51
This is Debian GNU/Linux - but I remember similar things on BSD and other U*IX like OSen that I've used. Shadow group is a concept that's not exactly new, and it means that tools which only read, and should never write, the password file can be partitioned off where they can't do much damage.
Slashdot does need a 'full of shit' moderation.
The 'passwd' command on the other hand needs to write the password file, and hence needs root privs.
Oh, and a good reason not to use LDAP (and I speak from experience here) is that it leads to single points of failure. We've switched to using centrally managed
If you want to come up with an OS where there isn't a shadow group for
The point was that the "20'th century" spanned the years from 1901 to 2000, not 2001 to 3000.
Yeah, no shit. That would be one hell of a long century.
And its all an opt-in type system, where the people (our associates) have indicated they want to receive our updates via email, and they can opt-out at any time
So you send it without hash-cash, and those who have really _really_ opted in to your emails will have you in their whitelist and receive the emails. Those who haven't added you to their whitelist obviously didn't care enough to opt you in at their end, and won't hear from you.
Alternatively, you could have a single token which you use in all email to the person, and they have a trust set up for that token. If the token starts leaking spam, they deny the token. Easy.
As the coward said slightly more politely above - yeah riceboy, just because it's got a noisy engine doesn't mean it goes well.
Some people care about real performance, with maybe a touch of reliability, rather than touting numbers.
(slashdot foe == *plonk*)
On an old SPARC Ultra 80, ssh into the box isn't FAST, but it is possible for remote management.
I've had similar issues with very slow ssh on old Sun hardware - much slower than similar speed PC hardware, and I suspect that it's the lack of a good random number generator.
I haven't done any real analysis though, because I don't need to ssh in often enough to care.
In the system described here, once bad data gets into your microwave oven there's virtually no way to chase down all the instances of it that will be floating around the universe. Didn't Sandra Bullock star in a movie about this once?
While in a better designed version of the same thing, where everything contained a link to the canonical version of the information, and possibly cached it for a sane length of time, then this wouldn't happen - you would update your current address, and suddenly _everyone_ who had a copy of the canonical location would have the new value.
Add a little strong crypto - unguessable URIs for data and possibly even encrypt the value of the field to each entity who's supposed to have a copy, in such a way that they can't leak the URI without you knowing who sold your information.
If somebody steals something out of a US Army Jeep parked next to the leaning tower of Pisa, have they broken a US law?
I don't know, but I imagine the US Army have probably broken Italian parking law.
However, if you don't need virtual volumes, yes, 2.6 definitely :
1) rocks
I'll agree here.
2) is stable.
Not so definite on this one, particularly since my laptop freezes every time I do really intensive database work (and I mean _really_ intensive here - the postmaster process is sitting at 99% CPU utilisation for upwards of 12 hours when it doesn't crash).
Oh well - I'm running test9 as packaged by Debian - I should grab a test11 and see if it still crashes. Or maybe just boot back into 2.4.23 and get some work done.
did that at computer camp once... it was build and repair a PC class
So, we jammed it in--backwards...
He told us to wait for him to check everything out, but I was impatient. I plugged it in, turned it on
You know, you really are a prime fucking luser.
The guy was actually a bit of a jerk--he was like, "you know, I have half a mind to bill you for that!".
Too bloody right - he should have. You broke his equipment through stupidity and negligence. You were on a course to _learn_ shit, not break it.
First, it was a mistake--accidents happen.
Actually, they're usually caused by fuckheads who think they know better, and go ahead and do something they have been explicitly instructed not to do.
Well, he never did [bill you for your stupidity], but he was a bit of a jackass.
I'd say he was a very nice person who was well within his rights to bill you for breaking his equipment through your own hubris and inability to follow simple instructions.
It's posts like this that make me glad slashdot has a way of up-or-down scoring people.
*plonk*
If an infinite loop is infinite, how can it be finished?
... your head.
That would be the sound of the joke wooshing around, and around, and around, and