Nobody gives a fuck about Linux because Linux doesn't have a unified billion dollar marketing campaign behind it
Than I suggest to stop portraying shite like Ubuntu as a contender to Vista/7. An honest benchmark would be Ubuntu vs. Windows 3.11 - the hardware support and usability are on par for those two.
... am waiting for a Chrome checkbox in the toolbar that automatically removes all the wikipedia entries from a google search.
... while editing Wikipedia requires fighting bureaucracy, patience and the right contacts?
Ehr, that's pretty much what it is now.
In the beginning I had to much trust in wiki content, this was corrected after reading some reviews and case studies. Today I simply ignore the whole site because I'm not interested in wasting my time to dig out the references.
In the end, when you need the data, you just end up checking Britannica.
There, fixed it for you (the first software was not written for the abacus but for the analytical engine. That said engine was never in fact built (until the 20th century) is entirely beside the point. The abacus is not and was never Turing complete.)
Something which was never built yet was conceived is valid as Turing complete ?!? By that line of thought Udo von Aachen is more Turing complete than the analytical engine.
FTA: "Disabling/freezing" the CPU's cache severely degrades the performance. However, this seems acceptable if one considers that this special mode only needs to be set whenever the screen is locked (all efforts are pretty much worthless if an unlocked laptop is stolen). br/>Sounds like a tiny back door fix with a hell of a cat flap in it.
You may not believe this, but few things piss me off more than mindless fanboyism, and I say this as a Linux diehard. It leads to terrible disappointment for users who find out that, yes, it's still got a ton of problems.
Excellent. Unfortunately they have strength in numbers.
...but the developers can't fix the problem if they're unaware of it. Developers get into habits of using a program a particular way, and without users providing feedback in the form of bug reports with explicit instructions on reproducing the bug, they won't become aware of it.
That's not the root of the problem. There's a real problem in hardware support - computer hardware in Desktop Linux' qualification model is the Ultima Thulle for devs. Each dev has a (very) limited amount of platforms to test on. A product which relies on bug discovery after product release can not survive on this consumer base. The vast majority of computer users find it troublesome to program a granny-proof car stereo - we sell them (I'm in micro-electronics) a technology which can only be described in superlatives. All these people, from the first to the last, will cease and desist if they encounter a bug which is either repetitive or blocking. Yes, reporting has advanced - it has even become an advance in software management on its own - but all these people expect them to be resolved before release. It's what they're used to, it's the standard, it's what they expect, they know it exists under a different name.
Did you talk to someone who has a workflow on Vista recently? I haven't had a bug since I installed it - ever. I reboot about every 2 or 3 weeks, hibernate 2 or 3 times a day. I'm now watching Digital terrestrial TV via a TerraTec dongle which installed in 8 minutes (9 clicks) and all my software is freeware. Currently typing on Chrome (trust me: Mozilla has no reason to exist when these guys will release extensions). It's free and comes bundled with google.com (or the other way around). Desktop Linux isn't the platform that enables choice, Windows is: currently have 5 browsers (webdev for fun), tried 3 ftp clients, have 3 media players (kept VLC, killed iTunes & Winamp), a number of programming & debugging environments for embedded (IDA, MicroAsm and even my Borland debugger runs).
We don't have a working browser in Ubuntu because everyone warped the system enough to get Internet Explorer working via IEs4Linux; we have a working browser because of Firefox.
True. Can't help but make a correction: you have a working browser because it was pushed/provided by the corporate world (a point in my previous post). Firefox will not survive. The biggest & most popular website ever, which is the homepage of the best marketing/advertising company ever, has released a browser which is simply too sweet for words. They'll continue to fund FF, to no avail. It's not difficult to see Mozilla as one of Google's little outsourcing trials, btw. I would probably be pushing your buttons by calling Mozilla Foundation a sweatshop where the majority isn't paid. Open Office is also stalling, and both Goog and MS are in the opposition. MS is always portrayed (on the mainstream Linux front, not just fanboys) in the light of IE and their OS, accompanied by predictions of failure. Don't forget that they 'just decided' to jump in the gaming console market, and won. In response to Java they 'just decided' to deliver an alternative and java is going down, in favor of.NET, C# and JS (which is google's domain). MS also decided to jump on the embedded video wagon recently, thanks to the Olympics they were able to boost their shares. Forget ogg and the video tag. MS recently delivered a very peculiar progress on the static photography front (photosynth
There's a large misconception that patents are solely created to shield things off (protect) without discussion. Having worked for one of these corporations gave me an insight in what they're actually used for (although I can't generalise). Patents in my field (micro-electronics) were used to negotiate access to other patents. Corp. A holds a patent which Corp. B needs: the two sit around the table (a number of times) and B has to offer something in return - access to B's patents in most cases. All these things are negotiated behind closed doors, only a small fraction of the cases result in court cases, but in my experience the patent is then used in it's true sense: to protect R&D or potential thereof. Yes: there are patents which just put a lock on an idea. But these grant the patent holder access to the patent portfolio of other companies. Such patents -in almost al cases- focus on a small amount of very well-chosen corporations, to get access to their portfolio. If they don't give in it normally ends in court, there are a lot of cases like this - notably the David vs Goliath cases. You could compare it to some extent with registering a domain and sitting back and waiting to see if they'll pay up.
Currently running Vista to work on. Next to that I still use BeOS for multimedia, but that's mainly because it runs a homemade mediaplayer. I also have a laptop with Minix due to my 16-something years of experience in assembly. The other box with RedHat and Fedora was thrown from the 2nd floor straight in a container.
You didn't miss a thing. Most of us are tech fiddlers, or have grown to become one. We have fun with this stuff. But Ubuntu is aimed at the mainstream and is not what it's portrayed to be.
I'm sorry to say that this is not a satisfactory answer. Look around the net - hey, just stay on this site and click on a random link - and you'll see that various Desktop versions of Linux are portrayed as nothing less than perfection. Me and the people around me who have tried the same software (I'm talking 13 years in my case) must be subjected to some strange phenomenon where the most simple tasks seem to require RSI-inducing terminal typing. Fix one thing, something else breaks. Update and things go bonkers. Disable update and... it updates. Reboot to get sound. Recompile to get wifi. Repeat.
It's 2009, people. Multimedia is ubiquitous, no matter how complex these peripherals are, each and every common-sensed consumer expects them to work without a problem and does not wish to lose time on it. Truth is that the best Ubuntu experience is the one where you have a Windows box running a foot further on the desk, so you can scroll through an avalanche of third-rate forums and half-arsed wikis to find some obscure sequence of terminal commands. In most cases you're trying to find out how to run a windows look-a-like tool or package in your newly found time consumer. Consumers want this and that. Don't discuss with them whether or not they need it. I'm hinting at a very wide range of issues here, going from drawing squares in Gimp to having flash whilst browsing.
One of the things I find most troublesome, however, is that not Linux but Windows is the best platform for running FOSS. For some reason (shall we call it "API" ?) these programs run with a minimum of problems on my MS. And don't dare to tell me "We're working on it". I used to "work" on writing Linux software, you spend most of the time peeling back layer after layer of shitty abstraction to find the true reason: bug obfuscation. Ubuntu is probably the worst hack on a hack in existence.
Most of the energy isn't put into bug resolving, btw. The average Ubuntu dev works on polish and gloss, like this incredible progress in boot time. If there's one thing that's possible to learn in the history of operating systems: apps kill competition, not OSs. No applications ? No carrot! The recent Open Orifice debacle is a very nice illustration that when the going gets tough the hard-working volunteers have better things to do.
Excuses are the trademark of FOSS, not freedom, not liberty, not whatever third-world slogan they can come up with. Excuses are what you normally get for complaining about FOSS. They vary from "your fault", "worksforme", "their fault" to "give it time". Ubuntu is what you get for following this open-minded anti-corporate philosophy: a very shiny car where everything is held together with sticky tape. After a decade and a half I think it's time to reflect on a few facts:
- Things which work in Desktop linux a la Ubuntu work for one of two reasons: 1) the linux support is provided/pushed by the corporate world or 2) there is a very strong user base on the windows version.
- The Desktop Linux devs apparently lack know-how when it comes to hardware
- People will pay for something if it saves them time
Last August I simply formatted my Linux installation for the last time. I still have a partition with BeOS and one with Minix when I want to fiddle around. I went to the store and bought Vista. 4 hours later I had installed everything which was on my linux system and more... for free. The amount of time I saved since then is beyond comprehension. I have time for three extra hobbies now. The standard rhetoric to this from ye olde linux base is "stop bitching". Sorry mate, wherever I roam on the net to read up on H/W or S/W specs there's some bleeding ass punk rambling on about Ubuntu as if it's God's gift to humanity, and I feel like I need to correct that. The Desktop Linux promotion chitchat is nothing more than a bu
The problems I encounter in Windows are a few orders of magnitude smaller than those in Linux. I think it's been since the early 90's that I had problems with sound, video or internet on MS products. The reason is fairly simple: no matter how complex these peripherals have become, they are ubiquitous: we're 2009... an OS failing to provide basic multimedia ? Big Failure.
I see the humour in your reply, but to be honest: Ubuntu makes me feel ashamed of being in the S/W business.
Oh, one more thing I forgot to mention/troll about: MS doesn't kill my hard drives as Ubuntu did. About a year ago there was this small peculiar bug which made HDs sleep and wake up constantly. It's not something you notice until you read through the bug reports, but it killed one of my drives and I had to throw away the other one. The store paid it back, after I changed my story from "Linux" to "MS", btw.
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yes, that'll teach me.
True, on the level of hardware support & usability Ubuntu is best compared with Windows 3.11
Nobody gives a fuck about Linux because Linux doesn't have a unified billion dollar marketing campaign behind it
Than I suggest to stop portraying shite like Ubuntu as a contender to Vista/7. An honest benchmark would be Ubuntu vs. Windows 3.11 - the hardware support and usability are on par for those two.
Bitterness is difficult to hide if you count up all the lost time in my life thanks to *nix.
You should benchmark Ubuntu against Windows 3.11 - that's a far more realistic comparison.
Contender 1 - Ubuntu: free & praised to heaven
Contender 2 - Windows: costs money & pure evil, pure shite
We now release them on the market and see what happens...
Oh my Gawd, nobody gives a fuck about Ubuntu. How can this be?
Answer: nobody gives a bleeding arse.
Maybe next time you can compare the Ubuntu install disk with a print of the Holy Bible and conclude that size and weight doesn't seem to play a role.
Call me flamebait/troll all you want, Ubuntu is the biggest waste of resources ever. The delusion is staggering.
It'll be a chrome checkbox, not a FF plugin.
Thanks, btw
one, not wone
we have those expert versions: knole and the other wone ... can't remember the name ... former wikipedia staff started it.
it's been forked a gazillion times. The interwebs are riddled with cheap wikipedia rip-offs.
Where will you go once the vandals are editing Britannica?
Here
He can do it as an intermezzo between solving the economy, Afghanistan, Guantanamo, Iraq, the internets, civil right, ...
... am waiting for a Chrome checkbox in the toolbar that automatically removes all the wikipedia entries from a google search.
... while editing Wikipedia requires fighting bureaucracy, patience and the right contacts?
Ehr, that's pretty much what it is now.
In the beginning I had to much trust in wiki content, this was corrected after reading some reviews and case studies. Today I simply ignore the whole site because I'm not interested in wasting my time to dig out the references.
In the end, when you need the data, you just end up checking Britannica.
you're correct.
There, fixed it for you (the first software was not written for the abacus but for the analytical engine. That said engine was never in fact built (until the 20th century) is entirely beside the point. The abacus is not and was never Turing complete.)
Something which was never built yet was conceived is valid as Turing complete ?!?
By that line of thought Udo von Aachen is more Turing complete than the analytical engine.
FTA: "Disabling/freezing" the CPU's cache severely degrades the performance. However, this seems acceptable if one considers that this special mode only needs to be set whenever the screen is locked (all efforts are pretty much worthless if an unlocked laptop is stolen).
br/>Sounds like a tiny back door fix with a hell of a cat flap in it.
I hope you like to read ...
...but the developers can't fix the problem if they're unaware of it. Developers get into habits of using a program a particular way, and without users providing feedback in the form of bug reports with explicit instructions on reproducing the bug, they won't become aware of it.
.NET, C# and JS (which is google's domain). MS also decided to jump on the embedded video wagon recently, thanks to the Olympics they were able to boost their shares. Forget ogg and the video tag. MS recently delivered a very peculiar progress on the static photography front (photosynth
You may not believe this, but few things piss me off more than mindless fanboyism, and I say this as a Linux diehard. It leads to terrible disappointment for users who find out that, yes, it's still got a ton of problems.
Excellent. Unfortunately they have strength in numbers.
That's not the root of the problem. There's a real problem in hardware support - computer hardware in Desktop Linux' qualification model is the Ultima Thulle for devs. Each dev has a (very) limited amount of platforms to test on. A product which relies on bug discovery after product release can not survive on this consumer base. The vast majority of computer users find it troublesome to program a granny-proof car stereo - we sell them (I'm in micro-electronics) a technology which can only be described in superlatives. All these people, from the first to the last, will cease and desist if they encounter a bug which is either repetitive or blocking. Yes, reporting has advanced - it has even become an advance in software management on its own - but all these people expect them to be resolved before release. It's what they're used to, it's the standard, it's what they expect, they know it exists under a different name.
Did you talk to someone who has a workflow on Vista recently? I haven't had a bug since I installed it - ever. I reboot about every 2 or 3 weeks, hibernate 2 or 3 times a day. I'm now watching Digital terrestrial TV via a TerraTec dongle which installed in 8 minutes (9 clicks) and all my software is freeware. Currently typing on Chrome (trust me: Mozilla has no reason to exist when these guys will release extensions). It's free and comes bundled with google.com (or the other way around). Desktop Linux isn't the platform that enables choice, Windows is: currently have 5 browsers (webdev for fun), tried 3 ftp clients, have 3 media players (kept VLC, killed iTunes & Winamp), a number of programming & debugging environments for embedded (IDA, MicroAsm and even my Borland debugger runs).
We don't have a working browser in Ubuntu because everyone warped the system enough to get Internet Explorer working via IEs4Linux; we have a working browser because of Firefox.
True. Can't help but make a correction: you have a working browser because it was pushed/provided by the corporate world (a point in my previous post). Firefox will not survive. The biggest & most popular website ever, which is the homepage of the best marketing/advertising company ever, has released a browser which is simply too sweet for words. They'll continue to fund FF, to no avail. It's not difficult to see Mozilla as one of Google's little outsourcing trials, btw. I would probably be pushing your buttons by calling Mozilla Foundation a sweatshop where the majority isn't paid. Open Office is also stalling, and both Goog and MS are in the opposition. MS is always portrayed (on the mainstream Linux front, not just fanboys) in the light of IE and their OS, accompanied by predictions of failure. Don't forget that they 'just decided' to jump in the gaming console market, and won. In response to Java they 'just decided' to deliver an alternative and java is going down, in favor of
My father warned me about this. Hate it when he's right.
There's a large misconception that patents are solely created to shield things off (protect) without discussion. Having worked for one of these corporations gave me an insight in what they're actually used for (although I can't generalise).
Patents in my field (micro-electronics) were used to negotiate access to other patents. Corp. A holds a patent which Corp. B needs: the two sit around the table (a number of times) and B has to offer something in return - access to B's patents in most cases.
All these things are negotiated behind closed doors, only a small fraction of the cases result in court cases, but in my experience the patent is then used in it's true sense: to protect R&D or potential thereof.
Yes: there are patents which just put a lock on an idea. But these grant the patent holder access to the patent portfolio of other companies. Such patents -in almost al cases- focus on a small amount of very well-chosen corporations, to get access to their portfolio. If they don't give in it normally ends in court, there are a lot of cases like this - notably the David vs Goliath cases. You could compare it to some extent with registering a domain and sitting back and waiting to see if they'll pay up.
I refuse
Hey,
Currently running Vista to work on. Next to that I still use BeOS for multimedia, but that's mainly because it runs a homemade mediaplayer. I also have a laptop with Minix due to my 16-something years of experience in assembly.
The other box with RedHat and Fedora was thrown from the 2nd floor straight in a container.
You didn't miss a thing. Most of us are tech fiddlers, or have grown to become one. We have fun with this stuff. But Ubuntu is aimed at the mainstream and is not what it's portrayed to be.
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
... it updates. Reboot to get sound. Recompile to get wifi. Repeat.
... for free. The amount of time I saved since then is beyond comprehension. I have time for three extra hobbies now. The standard rhetoric to this from ye olde linux base is "stop bitching". Sorry mate, wherever I roam on the net to read up on H/W or S/W specs there's some bleeding ass punk rambling on about Ubuntu as if it's God's gift to humanity, and I feel like I need to correct that. The Desktop Linux promotion chitchat is nothing more than a bu
I'm sorry to say that this is not a satisfactory answer. Look around the net - hey, just stay on this site and click on a random link - and you'll see that various Desktop versions of Linux are portrayed as nothing less than perfection. Me and the people around me who have tried the same software (I'm talking 13 years in my case) must be subjected to some strange phenomenon where the most simple tasks seem to require RSI-inducing terminal typing. Fix one thing, something else breaks. Update and things go bonkers. Disable update and
It's 2009, people. Multimedia is ubiquitous, no matter how complex these peripherals are, each and every common-sensed consumer expects them to work without a problem and does not wish to lose time on it. Truth is that the best Ubuntu experience is the one where you have a Windows box running a foot further on the desk, so you can scroll through an avalanche of third-rate forums and half-arsed wikis to find some obscure sequence of terminal commands. In most cases you're trying to find out how to run a windows look-a-like tool or package in your newly found time consumer. Consumers want this and that. Don't discuss with them whether or not they need it. I'm hinting at a very wide range of issues here, going from drawing squares in Gimp to having flash whilst browsing.
One of the things I find most troublesome, however, is that not Linux but Windows is the best platform for running FOSS. For some reason (shall we call it "API" ?) these programs run with a minimum of problems on my MS. And don't dare to tell me "We're working on it". I used to "work" on writing Linux software, you spend most of the time peeling back layer after layer of shitty abstraction to find the true reason: bug obfuscation. Ubuntu is probably the worst hack on a hack in existence.
Most of the energy isn't put into bug resolving, btw. The average Ubuntu dev works on polish and gloss, like this incredible progress in boot time. If there's one thing that's possible to learn in the history of operating systems: apps kill competition, not OSs. No applications ? No carrot! The recent Open Orifice debacle is a very nice illustration that when the going gets tough the hard-working volunteers have better things to do.
Excuses are the trademark of FOSS, not freedom, not liberty, not whatever third-world slogan they can come up with. Excuses are what you normally get for complaining about FOSS. They vary from "your fault", "worksforme", "their fault" to "give it time". Ubuntu is what you get for following this open-minded anti-corporate philosophy: a very shiny car where everything is held together with sticky tape. After a decade and a half I think it's time to reflect on a few facts:
- Things which work in Desktop linux a la Ubuntu work for one of two reasons: 1) the linux support is provided/pushed by the corporate world or 2) there is a very strong user base on the windows version.
- The Desktop Linux devs apparently lack know-how when it comes to hardware
- People will pay for something if it saves them time
Last August I simply formatted my Linux installation for the last time. I still have a partition with BeOS and one with Minix when I want to fiddle around. I went to the store and bought Vista. 4 hours later I had installed everything which was on my linux system and more
Read the article before posting. You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel on this one.
In Windows, there are cases of things going wrong.
In Linux, there are cases of things going right.
The problems I encounter in Windows are a few orders of magnitude smaller than those in Linux. I think it's been since the early 90's that I had problems with sound, video or internet on MS products. ... an OS failing to provide basic multimedia ? Big Failure.
The reason is fairly simple: no matter how complex these peripherals have become, they are ubiquitous: we're 2009
I see the humour in your reply, but to be honest: Ubuntu makes me feel ashamed of being in the S/W business.
Oh, one more thing I forgot to mention/troll about: MS doesn't kill my hard drives as Ubuntu did. About a year ago there was this small peculiar bug which made HDs sleep and wake up constantly. It's not something you notice until you read through the bug reports, but it killed one of my drives and I had to throw away the other one. The store paid it back, after I changed my story from "Linux" to "MS", btw.