Insurgents. Yes, insurgents. You may ignore the colonel, you may call him a liar, you may brand the military a bunch of diabolical murderers - but that doesn't make you right. Try googling "reuters" "insurgent" and "embedded" - http://lmgtfy.com/?q=reuters+embedded+insurgent I especially like this one, http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201878.php
But, like religion, people won't believe anything that they haven't already decided on.
Weren't no dead kids, and no one laughed. They properly blamed the INJURED children on the people who had dragged the kids along to rescue their compatriots. As for refuting video evidence - few people seem to understand the evidence presented in the video. Or how to use supporting efidence to figure out what was going on.
Reuters had reporters EMBEDDED with opposition units. Those armed men in the video had fired on American troops, only minutes earlier. The Apache was called in to deal with people firing on American troops. The biggest "mistake" made during the video, was when the Apache crew thought the camera was a weapon. But, the basic facts remain - the Apache took out a unit that had fired on American troops.
BTW - both kids were taken to hospital and treated. I never did hear how badly they were hurt, or how well they are doing now - funny that the media doesn't cover stuff like that, huh? Stories about rescued children recovering in a US military hospital aren't very sensational.
I partially agree with you. Manning violated US law, he violated his oath to protect and defend, he broke a myriad of orders from superior officers - burn him at the stake. Julian? Well - he's not subject to US law. He broke no oath, he disobeyed no orders, he was under no obligation to defend the US from anything at all. Say some harsh words to him, maybe even say a few bad things about him - but let the man go his way. Concentrate on Manning, and any other little freaks like him.
I also heard that a 3 million year old whale had exposed himself in San Diego recently. What I have not heard is, whether any children have been traumatized as a result.
Again - I disagree that some of those secrets were terrible, unforgiveable, or whatever. That reporter who was killed was embedded in an insurgent unit. That unit had fired on our troops. The fact that the reporter was a reporter, and his camera was mistaken for some kind of a potential weapon doesn't change the fact that the Apache was justified in firing on that unit.
The rest of the stuff that was leaked? I'll be honest - I've only looked at a very small sample of it. Some looks kind of bad, some looks kind of stupid, some looks like just routine things that I would EXPECT to be happening.
Unforgiveable? I don't see it. Sensitive data? Most certainly.
Dickish? Well - if people started a smear campaign against me, I'd probably be a little "dickish" as well. Of course, I might handle things somewhat differently than Julian. I dunno - I'd have to wait til I were in his position to decide what to do.
I do think Julian is wrong with his interpretation of the intel he has leaked so far. I very much disagree with his use of "murder" regarding that dead reporter and associates. But, whether I agree with him or not, he's taken on the role of a reporter, and it's his job to report. Not so much his job to editorialize, but reporting, yes.
People need to get off Julian's ass, and start working on damage control at home. That little freak of a private never should have had access to all the material he leaked, and he CERTAINLY shouldn't have been able to carry that data out of a secure area. Where the fuck are the marines? When I was a sailor, we had a full Captain try to bluster his way into a secure area. The private on duty put that captain in the mud, with the muzzle of his M-16 poked right into the captain's ear. The private promptly was promoted to corporal, and the captain got an informal request to leave the island - and not to come back.
So - WTF is some private doing walking out of a secure facility with disk loaded with data? The army doesn't understand security, or what?
Tom would be guilty of censorship, but he would probably never be charged with it. As a private citizen, the offense of censoring someone is a relatively petty crime. He would likely be charged with one version or another of vandalism, trespass, violating someone's civil rights, theft, breaking and entering, and a variety of other charges that the local constabulary might dream up. Did he burn those books? Arson can go right on in there. Are there children living in the house? Add child endangerment.
The government, on the other hand, isn't likely to be charged with anything at all. Remember - they have all the lawyers, all the guns, and all the money. The victim will have to resort to subversive tactics to keep his reading material, or plot a revolution, or leave the country, or call in the equivalent of the ACLU. If, of course, the ACLU hasn't all been executed!
(Hey, that sounds like a catchy little tune - "Send lawyers, guns and money, 'cause the shit has hit the fan!" Oh, crap, Warren Zevon already did that one!)
You are at least partly right - but I think that you are at least partly wrong too. Sure, there are people who, for one reason or another, have to keep an old version of the kernel. However - they can always recompile the kernel with a specific patch. Since this particular exploit is a regression to a two year old kernel, I suspect that *nearly everyone* has the opportunity to patch their kernel.
I can't possibly know this, but I suspect that the very people who have opted to retain an old kernel are the very people who are most capable of patching their own kernels. I mean - they have very specific reasons for not upgrading, and they must understand the kernel to some extent to have made their decisions.
Alright - maybe I'm talking out my ass. Does anyone else have any better insight to this?
You, sir, are a tool. Speeding tickets are all about revenues. I drove over the road for years. I signed a lot of tickets. In my own experience, roughly 1/3 of them were BOGUS. I've read many reports and studies over the years that pretty much support my own experience. Some of them have claimed 20% bogus tickets, others have claimed more than half. All of them COULD be right, depending on when and where the studies and reports originated.
I've showed up in court, beat the ticket, only to have the judge tell me that I had to pay a "processing fee" or some such nonsense. In New Mexico, tickets are pretty cheap, but if you go to court, you WILL pay that fine, in one way or another. I've also seen tickets "kept off the record", if you're willing to cough up extra money. That is completely illegal according to FEDERAL law, but it doesn't stop local courts from collecting that graft - errrr - REVENUE!
If you are interested in highway safety, you might investigate the "85th percentile" that traffic engineers use to determine safe speed limits. Everything else is a money making scheme.
Doesn't matter what the cops like. In a "free" country, any information that is not classified "secret" or "confidential" for security reasons can be freely discussed. If the cops can shut you up, then it's not a "free" country. It hardly matters whether I tell verbally, or by radio, or by tweeting where the cops are. It's my RIGHT to discuss whatever I may see or hear.
How long until the serial numbers are spoofed?
This reminds me of the Pentiums with those identifiers being broadcast to the internet. It didn't take long for those to be disabled, and ultimately, Intel decided it was the wrong thing to do.
http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2000/04/35950
Flash and Java are almost necessities on many servers. Sun Java and Adobe Flash have lacked 64 bit support, so 32 bit versions were mandatory. Or, nearly mandatory. There are options to Sun and Adobe, but performance isn't exactly the same. (Not saying better or worse, just different, which can be a problem in and of itself)
When Adobe and Oracle both get around to releasing a consumer grade, final version of these ubiquitous applications, then Linux and Windows will both probably drop 32 bit compatibility as "default" installation options.
No, Linux sucks, but it sucks a lot less than Windows.
I mean, the "fix" is already out. My update reminder has been sitting in the taskbar ever since I woke up. Every time my mouse rolls over my autohidden taskbar, I get a flash of red to remind me about the kernel update. I've ignored it, because the exploits are simply not deployed. Unlike Windows, where there are thousands of exploits deployed, some of them sitting on servers waiting for the opportunity to do a "drive by" installation.
When it is convenient for me to do so, I'll download the update, and apply it.
"Keeping wages artificially low"
Is this a discussion about our illegal alien problem? Oh - sorry, this is not a discussion about exploitation of illegal alien invaders, this is a discussion about exploitation of high tech professionals.
Of course, it's all the same stuff. Corporations have no loyalty to a people, a nation, or society in general. The only thing they are loyal to, is the Almighty Dollar.
One of the first things I saw was this:
http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-69-172-200-0-1
Network
NetRange 69.172.200.0 - 69.172.201.255
CIDR 69.172.200.0/23
Name PEER1-DOSARREST-01
Handle NET-69-172-200-0-1
Parent PEER1-BLK-14 (NET-69-172-192-0-1)
Net Type Reassigned
Origin AS AS13768
Nameservers
Customer DosArrest (C02492651)
Registration Date 2010-05-12
Last Updated 2010-05-12
Comments DDoS Protection services
RESTful Link http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-69-172-200-0-1
(I know, I'll lose the formatting - just go to the link, alright?)
Do you really thing that the targets would NOTICE dog shit stuck to their shoes, or tracked into their offices and homes? Think about who you are talking about here.
Extreme? How many successful revolutions have there been that were NOT extreme? People who hold power almost never voluntarily relinquish that power, nor do they negotiate away portions of that power.
*cough* Backdoor? *cough*
Well, I guess RIAA and MPAA deserve to be backdoor'd. Go for it, General. Especially if it will distract you from some little kids for awhile.
Sadly, you're right. I was actually reading TFA and scrolling down through these comments, with a half-formed idea in my mind. "It would be great if these guys took these sites down, and kept them down."
Alas - we are talking about immature, wannabe IT geeks and their followers. Their attention spans are as short as certain parts of their anatomies. By Monday, RIAA and the MPAA will be doing business as usual.
But, I can't complain. If the power of 4chan were actually harnessed, and put to some sustained use, they could do almost ANYTHING. And, that anything would just as likely be detrimental to the web, and normal people.
Censorship is censorship, no matter whether the government is doing the censoring, or a private company, or a private individual. It's still censorship. The government has different restrictions and obligations regarding censorship than private companies or individuals. You cannot claim "government censorship" in the case of Tmobile, but it still remains censorship.
Rottenapples. Wow. I actually read a few pages. I had to force myself to keep reading after the first page - unnecessary bold print, highlighted print, unnecessary capitalizations - on and on. It looks like any other conspiracy nut's site, really. I'm not even a grammar nazi, but these conspiracy nuts seem to use the printed page to assault you!
Thanks for the link, but it doesn't do much to garner sympathy to the defendant, LOL
I expect, though, that filing suit against the guy will just have the streisand effect on things. (I mean aside from the site being slashdotted - a well known phenomena in and of itself) The more people who hear of the case, the more visits to the site, the more whackos are going to believe what they want to believe, rather than any facts that get in the way.
Ehh. If the cops are stupid enough to feed the troll, they deserve all the bad publicity they can get.
Yes, ill prepared. They seem to have hired a bunch of incompetent nincompoops to oversee the migration, so they failed to prepare, failed to even have a real roadmap, and failed to have critical modules ready to come online when required. This looks more like an indictment of the tech people, than of Linux. Hell, they should have just contracted with Redhat, or Suse, or one of the other major players. They apparently went cheap and/or local, and they got pretty much what they paid for - shitty support!
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Insurgents. Yes, insurgents. You may ignore the colonel, you may call him a liar, you may brand the military a bunch of diabolical murderers - but that doesn't make you right. Try googling "reuters" "insurgent" and "embedded" - http://lmgtfy.com/?q=reuters+embedded+insurgent I especially like this one, http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201878.php But, like religion, people won't believe anything that they haven't already decided on.
Weren't no dead kids, and no one laughed. They properly blamed the INJURED children on the people who had dragged the kids along to rescue their compatriots. As for refuting video evidence - few people seem to understand the evidence presented in the video. Or how to use supporting efidence to figure out what was going on. Reuters had reporters EMBEDDED with opposition units. Those armed men in the video had fired on American troops, only minutes earlier. The Apache was called in to deal with people firing on American troops. The biggest "mistake" made during the video, was when the Apache crew thought the camera was a weapon. But, the basic facts remain - the Apache took out a unit that had fired on American troops. BTW - both kids were taken to hospital and treated. I never did hear how badly they were hurt, or how well they are doing now - funny that the media doesn't cover stuff like that, huh? Stories about rescued children recovering in a US military hospital aren't very sensational.
I partially agree with you. Manning violated US law, he violated his oath to protect and defend, he broke a myriad of orders from superior officers - burn him at the stake. Julian? Well - he's not subject to US law. He broke no oath, he disobeyed no orders, he was under no obligation to defend the US from anything at all. Say some harsh words to him, maybe even say a few bad things about him - but let the man go his way. Concentrate on Manning, and any other little freaks like him.
I also heard that a 3 million year old whale had exposed himself in San Diego recently. What I have not heard is, whether any children have been traumatized as a result.
Again - I disagree that some of those secrets were terrible, unforgiveable, or whatever. That reporter who was killed was embedded in an insurgent unit. That unit had fired on our troops. The fact that the reporter was a reporter, and his camera was mistaken for some kind of a potential weapon doesn't change the fact that the Apache was justified in firing on that unit. The rest of the stuff that was leaked? I'll be honest - I've only looked at a very small sample of it. Some looks kind of bad, some looks kind of stupid, some looks like just routine things that I would EXPECT to be happening. Unforgiveable? I don't see it. Sensitive data? Most certainly.
Dickish? Well - if people started a smear campaign against me, I'd probably be a little "dickish" as well. Of course, I might handle things somewhat differently than Julian. I dunno - I'd have to wait til I were in his position to decide what to do. I do think Julian is wrong with his interpretation of the intel he has leaked so far. I very much disagree with his use of "murder" regarding that dead reporter and associates. But, whether I agree with him or not, he's taken on the role of a reporter, and it's his job to report. Not so much his job to editorialize, but reporting, yes. People need to get off Julian's ass, and start working on damage control at home. That little freak of a private never should have had access to all the material he leaked, and he CERTAINLY shouldn't have been able to carry that data out of a secure area. Where the fuck are the marines? When I was a sailor, we had a full Captain try to bluster his way into a secure area. The private on duty put that captain in the mud, with the muzzle of his M-16 poked right into the captain's ear. The private promptly was promoted to corporal, and the captain got an informal request to leave the island - and not to come back. So - WTF is some private doing walking out of a secure facility with disk loaded with data? The army doesn't understand security, or what?
Tom would be guilty of censorship, but he would probably never be charged with it. As a private citizen, the offense of censoring someone is a relatively petty crime. He would likely be charged with one version or another of vandalism, trespass, violating someone's civil rights, theft, breaking and entering, and a variety of other charges that the local constabulary might dream up. Did he burn those books? Arson can go right on in there. Are there children living in the house? Add child endangerment. The government, on the other hand, isn't likely to be charged with anything at all. Remember - they have all the lawyers, all the guns, and all the money. The victim will have to resort to subversive tactics to keep his reading material, or plot a revolution, or leave the country, or call in the equivalent of the ACLU. If, of course, the ACLU hasn't all been executed! (Hey, that sounds like a catchy little tune - "Send lawyers, guns and money, 'cause the shit has hit the fan!" Oh, crap, Warren Zevon already did that one!)
You are at least partly right - but I think that you are at least partly wrong too. Sure, there are people who, for one reason or another, have to keep an old version of the kernel. However - they can always recompile the kernel with a specific patch. Since this particular exploit is a regression to a two year old kernel, I suspect that *nearly everyone* has the opportunity to patch their kernel. I can't possibly know this, but I suspect that the very people who have opted to retain an old kernel are the very people who are most capable of patching their own kernels. I mean - they have very specific reasons for not upgrading, and they must understand the kernel to some extent to have made their decisions. Alright - maybe I'm talking out my ass. Does anyone else have any better insight to this?
C3PO? That must be why I was modded "troll". I wasn't referring to the midget droid - he wouldn't be caught dead using BSD or Apple!
You, sir, are a tool. Speeding tickets are all about revenues. I drove over the road for years. I signed a lot of tickets. In my own experience, roughly 1/3 of them were BOGUS. I've read many reports and studies over the years that pretty much support my own experience. Some of them have claimed 20% bogus tickets, others have claimed more than half. All of them COULD be right, depending on when and where the studies and reports originated. I've showed up in court, beat the ticket, only to have the judge tell me that I had to pay a "processing fee" or some such nonsense. In New Mexico, tickets are pretty cheap, but if you go to court, you WILL pay that fine, in one way or another. I've also seen tickets "kept off the record", if you're willing to cough up extra money. That is completely illegal according to FEDERAL law, but it doesn't stop local courts from collecting that graft - errrr - REVENUE! If you are interested in highway safety, you might investigate the "85th percentile" that traffic engineers use to determine safe speed limits. Everything else is a money making scheme.
Doesn't matter what the cops like. In a "free" country, any information that is not classified "secret" or "confidential" for security reasons can be freely discussed. If the cops can shut you up, then it's not a "free" country. It hardly matters whether I tell verbally, or by radio, or by tweeting where the cops are. It's my RIGHT to discuss whatever I may see or hear.
How long until the serial numbers are spoofed? This reminds me of the Pentiums with those identifiers being broadcast to the internet. It didn't take long for those to be disabled, and ultimately, Intel decided it was the wrong thing to do. http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2000/04/35950
Flash and Java are almost necessities on many servers. Sun Java and Adobe Flash have lacked 64 bit support, so 32 bit versions were mandatory. Or, nearly mandatory. There are options to Sun and Adobe, but performance isn't exactly the same. (Not saying better or worse, just different, which can be a problem in and of itself) When Adobe and Oracle both get around to releasing a consumer grade, final version of these ubiquitous applications, then Linux and Windows will both probably drop 32 bit compatibility as "default" installation options.
Don't you have to create the account if the installer forgets it? That's what I do on all my machines! /end offtopic bullshit response here
No, Linux sucks, but it sucks a lot less than Windows. I mean, the "fix" is already out. My update reminder has been sitting in the taskbar ever since I woke up. Every time my mouse rolls over my autohidden taskbar, I get a flash of red to remind me about the kernel update. I've ignored it, because the exploits are simply not deployed. Unlike Windows, where there are thousands of exploits deployed, some of them sitting on servers waiting for the opportunity to do a "drive by" installation. When it is convenient for me to do so, I'll download the update, and apply it.
I'm not sure, but I think they have BSD machines on Endor. And, yes, a few Apples - they also have a few elitests who admire bling above all else.
"Keeping wages artificially low" Is this a discussion about our illegal alien problem? Oh - sorry, this is not a discussion about exploitation of illegal alien invaders, this is a discussion about exploitation of high tech professionals. Of course, it's all the same stuff. Corporations have no loyalty to a people, a nation, or society in general. The only thing they are loyal to, is the Almighty Dollar.
One of the first things I saw was this: http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-69-172-200-0-1 Network NetRange 69.172.200.0 - 69.172.201.255 CIDR 69.172.200.0/23 Name PEER1-DOSARREST-01 Handle NET-69-172-200-0-1 Parent PEER1-BLK-14 (NET-69-172-192-0-1) Net Type Reassigned Origin AS AS13768 Nameservers Customer DosArrest (C02492651) Registration Date 2010-05-12 Last Updated 2010-05-12 Comments DDoS Protection services RESTful Link http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-69-172-200-0-1 (I know, I'll lose the formatting - just go to the link, alright?)
440 or 420? Hmmm. This is a very important question. One which I MUST research. Maybe we can get everyone on slashdot to test this?
Do you really thing that the targets would NOTICE dog shit stuck to their shoes, or tracked into their offices and homes? Think about who you are talking about here. Extreme? How many successful revolutions have there been that were NOT extreme? People who hold power almost never voluntarily relinquish that power, nor do they negotiate away portions of that power.
*cough* Backdoor? *cough* Well, I guess RIAA and MPAA deserve to be backdoor'd. Go for it, General. Especially if it will distract you from some little kids for awhile.
Sadly, you're right. I was actually reading TFA and scrolling down through these comments, with a half-formed idea in my mind. "It would be great if these guys took these sites down, and kept them down." Alas - we are talking about immature, wannabe IT geeks and their followers. Their attention spans are as short as certain parts of their anatomies. By Monday, RIAA and the MPAA will be doing business as usual. But, I can't complain. If the power of 4chan were actually harnessed, and put to some sustained use, they could do almost ANYTHING. And, that anything would just as likely be detrimental to the web, and normal people.
Censorship is censorship, no matter whether the government is doing the censoring, or a private company, or a private individual. It's still censorship. The government has different restrictions and obligations regarding censorship than private companies or individuals. You cannot claim "government censorship" in the case of Tmobile, but it still remains censorship.
Rottenapples. Wow. I actually read a few pages. I had to force myself to keep reading after the first page - unnecessary bold print, highlighted print, unnecessary capitalizations - on and on. It looks like any other conspiracy nut's site, really. I'm not even a grammar nazi, but these conspiracy nuts seem to use the printed page to assault you! Thanks for the link, but it doesn't do much to garner sympathy to the defendant, LOL I expect, though, that filing suit against the guy will just have the streisand effect on things. (I mean aside from the site being slashdotted - a well known phenomena in and of itself) The more people who hear of the case, the more visits to the site, the more whackos are going to believe what they want to believe, rather than any facts that get in the way. Ehh. If the cops are stupid enough to feed the troll, they deserve all the bad publicity they can get.
Yes, ill prepared. They seem to have hired a bunch of incompetent nincompoops to oversee the migration, so they failed to prepare, failed to even have a real roadmap, and failed to have critical modules ready to come online when required. This looks more like an indictment of the tech people, than of Linux. Hell, they should have just contracted with Redhat, or Suse, or one of the other major players. They apparently went cheap and/or local, and they got pretty much what they paid for - shitty support!