"What these people real need is a stable government and economic growth", and population control. I mean, come on. A guy can't afford a can of beans to share with his special other, but they can fuck all night long for years, creating more mouths to feed. Most Americans can't imagine the poverty in some of this world's cities - but no matter how poor, there is always a ready supply of babies.
The human is an amazing animal. He shares some characteristics with the rats and cockroaches.
Since about the time Windows came out with their Task Manager. Basic competency. Very basic. No one suggests that finding the executable, and disassembling it to find out what makes it tick is part of basic competency, but opening task manager to see which of your 97 active processes is using all of your computer time is indeed "basic".
Point is - if all you young kids learned to type on microsoft keyboards before ever going to school, NO WONDER so few of you type like the schools should be teaching.
Don't get me wrong - I realize there are different typing methods, and this stupid QWERTY keyboard that I use was designed to slow people down. The DVORAK board is supposed to be faster, and easier to learn, but I'm not about to learn a new keyboard.
But, if everyone is learning before they start school how to position their hands and fingers, there's little hope of teaching anyone a "correct" method. It's like walking. You learn it in the first year of two, and that's it. You can't unlearn a wrong way of walking. Believe me, I've tried to teach people how to run, and they simply don't learn.
Wow. My typing class had about 2/3 manual typewriters, and the rest were Selectric typewriters. Those Selectric typewriters were reserved for "advanced" typists.
When I say "manual", you do realize, that means no electricity at all? No plug at all, no display, no LED indicators, nothing. The entire carriage moved from right to left as you typed, and hitting the big silver bar moved the carriage to the right again, while rolling the platen enough to get a new line on the paper.
Let me think - that was my sophomore year, 1971/72 school year.
Yep. I'm a touch typist. In high school, I was tested at 60 wpm, with some number of mistakes that the teacher found acceptable. In real life, I get 35 to 45 wpm, with few mistakes - usually spelling mistakes because I type on the fly. But, then, I've never worked as a typist, and only on rare occasions do I have to produce a document without errors. My skills have been adequate to my needs.
A hunt and peck typist who gets over 100 wpm sounds, like the guy who submitted the question, sounds like a load of crap to me. I've seen people who can type in the neighborhood of 150 wpm, and they DON'T hunt and peck with two or four fingers. They make full use of their fingers, no matter how large or small their hands are.
If I typed 100 wpm, I'd be proud of it, and not try to change anything, LMAO
I'm kinda lost here. I don't watch ABC, don't pay for cable, don't have anything to do with Verizon, and I've never watched the Oscar awards, or the Emmy, or any of that other idiocy from Hollywood. Can anyone explain how any of this makes one bit of difference to me? Would it be necessary for me to take Hollywood seriously for it to matter?
Heh. I've an idea that you're not big enough, fast enough, sneaky enough, or man enough to throw a man overboard. Real men don't need a "power screwdriver", so that's a pretty damned good indication that my idea about you is right. Obviously, you watch to much of that Bob Villa dude, who couldn't build his way out of a mudhole if his life depended on it.
A real man might do any of the following:
A: Throw the damned picture overboard B: Burn the fucking picture C: Use a screwdriver and a screw D: Weld the bastard in place E: Frag the fucking office
At least you weren't dumb enough to opt for a hammer and a nail. There's not much wood aboard today's warships.
I can't answer for him, but I feel compelled to hang pictures crookedly, just to annoy people who compulsively straighten them out. Imagine, if you will, sharing an office ABOARD SHIP with one of those people. Hang up a pic, instead of screwing it to the bulkhead. Just use one screw, so that evertime the ship rocks, it moves. Oh, Lord, I drove that man CRAZY!! And, he would never give up, either! Talk about funny - that was one of my funniest pranks ever!
"but proper free movies, games, etc are still fairly sparse with most of the free ones being vastly inferior to the paid ones"
Hmmm. I remember a discussion years ago, regarding piracy. The guy I was arguing with stated something to the effect, that no one owes it to me to entertain me.
And, of course, your comment brings that argument back.
You want news? I think you're entitled to that. You want information? Again, I think you're entitled to that. You want to be entertained? Well - entertainment is available for free. You say you want better quality entertainment? Well, then, maybe you SHOULD pay for it. Those mindless flash games on the internet that are available for free entertain my wife quite nicely. She'll sit down and play one after another for half an hour or more when she gets home from work, before starting on her evening routine. She's happy. It's her little form of "social hour" I guess, as she gets to chat with all the other players, while trying to spank their asses.
Now, if she demanded a higher quality game and/or graphics, then she could expect to cough up a few dimes for the privilege of using those resources.
I expect a lot of content on the web to be free, but I don't necessarily expect all of the very best content to be free.
That is all well and good. But, then, the advertisers and the site owners forget that we don't all have unlimited bandwidth. I block advertising as a matter of course. Many, many pages have content that amounts to tens of kilobytes of data. Downloading the ADVERTISING often means hundreds to thousands of kilobytes of data.
Hey, if I had unlimited fiber optic access to the web, and I couldn't even tell the difference when advertising is enabled, I'd let some of it through.
Someone needs to remind corporate America that we don't all have the latest and the greatest technology at our fingertips. Stop using flash content, clean up the pages, use compressed material whenever possible - you know, make the pages load FAST!! Speed is the number one priority, no matter what you are doing on the web.
If cruft slows down my browsing, searching, research, or whatever the hell I'm doing, then the cruft is cut out. It's as simple as that.
Do I hear the words, "Business model" from anyone? Sell what the people want, and they'll come flocking to your door. Sell the sheep what they want, and the entire flock will arrive soon.
Being a guy has EVERYTHING to do with red - and green. I've lived with "being a guy" all my life. I've learned the statistics, quite well. One in four guys are at least a little bit color blind. I'm the one in hundreds who is very color blind. At least, I'm not the one in a million who is truly color BLIND - all they see are blacks, whites, and grays.
Women? They aren't color blind at all. One in a thousand might have a little difficulty with some shades that other women take for granted, but she won't even come close to what us guys life with.
Recent article, I think it was discussed here on slashdot, about women with unusual chromosomes shows that SOME women can see much further into the ultraviolet spectrum than people had ever thought possible. No guys, though. Color vision is sex linked.
So - relax if it looks like the women are making fun of us. We don't live in the same world they do, and never did. You can't even get there if you try.
You write, "There is no other planet or body in this solar system where humans can, or will likely ever be able to", then you go on to mention the reasons people settle in places. You are missing something important in the process.
The only thing preventing people from living on the moon is the DESIRE to live there. Suppose - just suppose, and humor me - that Mary Kay cosmetics "discovered" that some magical component of moondust prevented women from aging, and kept them looking half their age, right up past 100 years old. Exactly how long do you think it would take for the dozen richest bitches in the world to have Mary Kay's new line of products, at any price Mary Kay chose to put on them?
Did I hear you say, "Moon or bust!" ???? Remember - only a limited number of people had any interest in California, until they found gold in California. Immediately, everyone in the country with nothing to stop them moving was California bound. People already migrating to other, more interesting places, changed their destinations in midstride.
Believe me, Mary Kay cosmetics has a better chance of building cities on the moon than Nasa does. Look at the contracts that draw men and women into combat zones like Iraq and Afghanistan. Multiply them by an order of magnitude or two, announce the contracts to the world at large, then stand aside for the STAMPEDE!!! There will be miles long lines at every recruiting center you can throw up.
Actually, yes, I did read it. And that first hit helps to make my point. What percentage of Windows users are even aware that there are other file systems? I'd say that 20% of Windows users couldn't begin to explain the difference between FAT (of any variety) and NTFS. "Security model? That's some broad from Hollywood wearing a police uniform? What does that have to do with computers?"
"It's not a testing ground for stuff you found on Google or software you downloaded from Sourceforge."
Now, that's an interesting take. I mean, the internet was BUILT by people doing that sort of thing, wasn't it? Geeks and nerds finding ways to do cool stuff. You're suggesting that the days of innovation are over, and everyone needs to toe the line, or the internet police will come calling?
Granted, I understand what you're trying to say - there is a lot of serious business conducted on the internet, and hobbyists shouldn't be getting in the way of all of that. All the same - I believe you need to make some allowances for hobbyists. Those open source nerds may very well hand you the gift of a lifetime next month, or next year, making your admin job easier by orders of magnitude.
Obviously, you didn't grow up reading Heinlein and people like him. It's doable. No, of course it isn't doable for people with no imagination, and an unwillingness to change. You can't take your lawn with you, your old oak tree for shade, and grandpa's shed with all the neat crap he saved from the days of Model T's.
The people who go out there will adapt, or they will die. Plain and simple. On the moon, they'll dig into the crust to get away from the radiation, and they will make homes from concrete and plastic, in those lava flows and other holes they find. They'll grow their plants under plant lights, or they'll find ways to beam sunlight to the plants, underground. Or, they might put the effort into developing photosynthetic plants that will grow during the two weeks of sunlight, then hibernate for two weeks of night.
The Loonies won't be people that you can easily understand. But then, your great great grandchildren would be a huge surprise if you could meet them no matter WHERE they grow up. Turn that around - would your great great grandparents adapt to today's world quickly and easily if they could be brought back here today? The last of my own great grandparents died about the time that color televisions were becoming popular among the less wealthy classes. It would blow his mind to watch a hi-def movie on my computer!
The future. Not just stranger than you imagine, but stranger than you CAN imagine.
Put the people up there. They'll find a way. They'll survive. Nothing capable of supplying water (and incidentally, OXYGEN) is truly barren. It can sustain life, if that life is determined enough to live there.
"most of the planet wasn't born yet when it happened"
Yes, there's a joke in there. No, I'm not touching it.;^)
But, I'll admit: I watched all of the moon landings on television, live. Maybe that's why I'm not going to bash you with the planet's birth. Us old bastards gotta stick together.
The moon is a way station. I mean, almost NO ONE meant to settle in places like Kansas City, all those years ago. But, some of the early passers-by saw that it could be profitable to build a few stores, to cater to the OTHER settlers going west.
Besides - slashdot has plenty of creatures who dwell in basements. They'd be perfectly content to dig into the moon's surface with all that ice water at hand. Plant a few plants, rig up a little solar power, add a few fiber optic cables, and you'd have one hell of a LAN party.
Hey - I've gotta go patent this idea I just had, see you 'round!
Have you been keeping up with current events? The news on ACTA, for starters. Those school kids being spied on in Philadelphia via school mandated computers. Traffic light cameras. There is little doubt in my mind that the US is moving toward the same sort of round the clock surveillance that England and China enjoy right now. Law enforcement is pushing through a variety of rules, regulations, and even laws, permitting them to track citizens via mobile phone and other means, WITHOUT a warrant.
I definitely see an Orwellian future for the United States. Unless, of course, the citizens revolt against it. Unfortunately, the very citizens are subsidizing all of this surveillance. How many people do you know who have PAID FOR that GPS tracking that General Motors offers? Yes, PAID FOR some nice un-intrusive surveillance. Soon, the insurance companies will mandate that all vehicles have such surveillance, and we'll just roll over, and accept the edict.
Yes, BUT - what are the primary vectors again? Adobe stands head and shoulders above the crowd of other vectors. What Adobe do you find on the average *nix machine? Of my machines, two have Adobe Flash - the others have Gnash. Given just a little more motivation to move away from Adobe completely, I would rip their Flash programs out of the two machines that run it now.
Admittedly, Adobe runs in some places that Gnash doesn't do so well on - but do I really NEED flash to watch something on Youtube? Of course not. I can download the video, convert it, and watch it in VLC, Mplayer, or any number of other applications - none of which have been shown to be serious attack vectors.
Go ahead - root me. What are you waiting for? You want the details of my operating system? HA! I'm not that easy to social engineer!
Wait - ordinals? Isn't that a professional baseball team or something? St. Louis Ordinals? You wouldn't want to get in trouble for infringing on their trademark, would you? Yeah, you better use cardinal numbers!
I learned to say Mizz-OOR-ee in high school. The first girl I met who came from there taught me that it's MIZ-er-ee. Ehhh. If you don't like that one, you can shoot her. She was rather homely. Short of ugly, but somewhere beyond plain. Come to think of it, that describes Missouri too, doesn't it?
Slashdot Mirror
"What these people real need is a stable government and economic growth", and population control. I mean, come on. A guy can't afford a can of beans to share with his special other, but they can fuck all night long for years, creating more mouths to feed. Most Americans can't imagine the poverty in some of this world's cities - but no matter how poor, there is always a ready supply of babies.
The human is an amazing animal. He shares some characteristics with the rats and cockroaches.
Including the ability to store super cookies on your computer, so that corporate America can watch over your shoulder?
http://www.fightidentitytheft.com/blog/new-breed-super-cookie-defies-removal-almost
(I like the pic on that page - looks like a girl from high school!)
Since about the time Windows came out with their Task Manager. Basic competency. Very basic. No one suggests that finding the executable, and disassembling it to find out what makes it tick is part of basic competency, but opening task manager to see which of your 97 active processes is using all of your computer time is indeed "basic".
Point is - if all you young kids learned to type on microsoft keyboards before ever going to school, NO WONDER so few of you type like the schools should be teaching.
Don't get me wrong - I realize there are different typing methods, and this stupid QWERTY keyboard that I use was designed to slow people down. The DVORAK board is supposed to be faster, and easier to learn, but I'm not about to learn a new keyboard.
But, if everyone is learning before they start school how to position their hands and fingers, there's little hope of teaching anyone a "correct" method. It's like walking. You learn it in the first year of two, and that's it. You can't unlearn a wrong way of walking. Believe me, I've tried to teach people how to run, and they simply don't learn.
Wow. My typing class had about 2/3 manual typewriters, and the rest were Selectric typewriters. Those Selectric typewriters were reserved for "advanced" typists.
When I say "manual", you do realize, that means no electricity at all? No plug at all, no display, no LED indicators, nothing. The entire carriage moved from right to left as you typed, and hitting the big silver bar moved the carriage to the right again, while rolling the platen enough to get a new line on the paper.
Let me think - that was my sophomore year, 1971/72 school year.
Yep. I'm a touch typist. In high school, I was tested at 60 wpm, with some number of mistakes that the teacher found acceptable. In real life, I get 35 to 45 wpm, with few mistakes - usually spelling mistakes because I type on the fly. But, then, I've never worked as a typist, and only on rare occasions do I have to produce a document without errors. My skills have been adequate to my needs.
A hunt and peck typist who gets over 100 wpm sounds, like the guy who submitted the question, sounds like a load of crap to me. I've seen people who can type in the neighborhood of 150 wpm, and they DON'T hunt and peck with two or four fingers. They make full use of their fingers, no matter how large or small their hands are.
If I typed 100 wpm, I'd be proud of it, and not try to change anything, LMAO
I'm kinda lost here. I don't watch ABC, don't pay for cable, don't have anything to do with Verizon, and I've never watched the Oscar awards, or the Emmy, or any of that other idiocy from Hollywood. Can anyone explain how any of this makes one bit of difference to me? Would it be necessary for me to take Hollywood seriously for it to matter?
Heh. I've an idea that you're not big enough, fast enough, sneaky enough, or man enough to throw a man overboard. Real men don't need a "power screwdriver", so that's a pretty damned good indication that my idea about you is right. Obviously, you watch to much of that Bob Villa dude, who couldn't build his way out of a mudhole if his life depended on it.
A real man might do any of the following:
A: Throw the damned picture overboard
B: Burn the fucking picture
C: Use a screwdriver and a screw
D: Weld the bastard in place
E: Frag the fucking office
At least you weren't dumb enough to opt for a hammer and a nail. There's not much wood aboard today's warships.
So, why isn't there a tag on the story, "Horseshit"? That's what it is, nothing more, and nothing less.
*takes deep breath*
Ahhhh, I love the smell of horseshit in the morning!
I can't answer for him, but I feel compelled to hang pictures crookedly, just to annoy people who compulsively straighten them out. Imagine, if you will, sharing an office ABOARD SHIP with one of those people. Hang up a pic, instead of screwing it to the bulkhead. Just use one screw, so that evertime the ship rocks, it moves. Oh, Lord, I drove that man CRAZY!! And, he would never give up, either! Talk about funny - that was one of my funniest pranks ever!
"but proper free movies, games, etc are still fairly sparse with most of the free ones being vastly inferior to the paid ones"
Hmmm. I remember a discussion years ago, regarding piracy. The guy I was arguing with stated something to the effect, that no one owes it to me to entertain me.
And, of course, your comment brings that argument back.
You want news? I think you're entitled to that. You want information? Again, I think you're entitled to that. You want to be entertained? Well - entertainment is available for free. You say you want better quality entertainment? Well, then, maybe you SHOULD pay for it. Those mindless flash games on the internet that are available for free entertain my wife quite nicely. She'll sit down and play one after another for half an hour or more when she gets home from work, before starting on her evening routine. She's happy. It's her little form of "social hour" I guess, as she gets to chat with all the other players, while trying to spank their asses.
Now, if she demanded a higher quality game and/or graphics, then she could expect to cough up a few dimes for the privilege of using those resources.
I expect a lot of content on the web to be free, but I don't necessarily expect all of the very best content to be free.
That is all well and good. But, then, the advertisers and the site owners forget that we don't all have unlimited bandwidth. I block advertising as a matter of course. Many, many pages have content that amounts to tens of kilobytes of data. Downloading the ADVERTISING often means hundreds to thousands of kilobytes of data.
Hey, if I had unlimited fiber optic access to the web, and I couldn't even tell the difference when advertising is enabled, I'd let some of it through.
Someone needs to remind corporate America that we don't all have the latest and the greatest technology at our fingertips. Stop using flash content, clean up the pages, use compressed material whenever possible - you know, make the pages load FAST!! Speed is the number one priority, no matter what you are doing on the web.
If cruft slows down my browsing, searching, research, or whatever the hell I'm doing, then the cruft is cut out. It's as simple as that.
Do I hear the words, "Business model" from anyone? Sell what the people want, and they'll come flocking to your door. Sell the sheep what they want, and the entire flock will arrive soon.
What does being a guy have to do with - - - red?
Being a guy has EVERYTHING to do with red - and green. I've lived with "being a guy" all my life. I've learned the statistics, quite well. One in four guys are at least a little bit color blind. I'm the one in hundreds who is very color blind. At least, I'm not the one in a million who is truly color BLIND - all they see are blacks, whites, and grays.
Women? They aren't color blind at all. One in a thousand might have a little difficulty with some shades that other women take for granted, but she won't even come close to what us guys life with.
Recent article, I think it was discussed here on slashdot, about women with unusual chromosomes shows that SOME women can see much further into the ultraviolet spectrum than people had ever thought possible. No guys, though. Color vision is sex linked.
So - relax if it looks like the women are making fun of us. We don't live in the same world they do, and never did. You can't even get there if you try.
You write, "There is no other planet or body in this solar system where humans can, or will likely ever be able to", then you go on to mention the reasons people settle in places. You are missing something important in the process.
The only thing preventing people from living on the moon is the DESIRE to live there. Suppose - just suppose, and humor me - that Mary Kay cosmetics "discovered" that some magical component of moondust prevented women from aging, and kept them looking half their age, right up past 100 years old. Exactly how long do you think it would take for the dozen richest bitches in the world to have Mary Kay's new line of products, at any price Mary Kay chose to put on them?
Did I hear you say, "Moon or bust!" ???? Remember - only a limited number of people had any interest in California, until they found gold in California. Immediately, everyone in the country with nothing to stop them moving was California bound. People already migrating to other, more interesting places, changed their destinations in midstride.
Believe me, Mary Kay cosmetics has a better chance of building cities on the moon than Nasa does. Look at the contracts that draw men and women into combat zones like Iraq and Afghanistan. Multiply them by an order of magnitude or two, announce the contracts to the world at large, then stand aside for the STAMPEDE!!! There will be miles long lines at every recruiting center you can throw up.
Actually, yes, I did read it. And that first hit helps to make my point. What percentage of Windows users are even aware that there are other file systems? I'd say that 20% of Windows users couldn't begin to explain the difference between FAT (of any variety) and NTFS. "Security model? That's some broad from Hollywood wearing a police uniform? What does that have to do with computers?"
Enjoy the links. ;^)
Yes, Google provides help for windows users.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=QTI&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=upgrade+from+windows+to+Linux&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=
"It's not a testing ground for stuff you found on Google or software you downloaded from Sourceforge."
Now, that's an interesting take. I mean, the internet was BUILT by people doing that sort of thing, wasn't it? Geeks and nerds finding ways to do cool stuff. You're suggesting that the days of innovation are over, and everyone needs to toe the line, or the internet police will come calling?
Granted, I understand what you're trying to say - there is a lot of serious business conducted on the internet, and hobbyists shouldn't be getting in the way of all of that. All the same - I believe you need to make some allowances for hobbyists. Those open source nerds may very well hand you the gift of a lifetime next month, or next year, making your admin job easier by orders of magnitude.
Just keep an open mind, is all I'm saying. ;^)
Obviously, you didn't grow up reading Heinlein and people like him. It's doable. No, of course it isn't doable for people with no imagination, and an unwillingness to change. You can't take your lawn with you, your old oak tree for shade, and grandpa's shed with all the neat crap he saved from the days of Model T's.
The people who go out there will adapt, or they will die. Plain and simple. On the moon, they'll dig into the crust to get away from the radiation, and they will make homes from concrete and plastic, in those lava flows and other holes they find. They'll grow their plants under plant lights, or they'll find ways to beam sunlight to the plants, underground. Or, they might put the effort into developing photosynthetic plants that will grow during the two weeks of sunlight, then hibernate for two weeks of night.
The Loonies won't be people that you can easily understand. But then, your great great grandchildren would be a huge surprise if you could meet them no matter WHERE they grow up. Turn that around - would your great great grandparents adapt to today's world quickly and easily if they could be brought back here today? The last of my own great grandparents died about the time that color televisions were becoming popular among the less wealthy classes. It would blow his mind to watch a hi-def movie on my computer!
The future. Not just stranger than you imagine, but stranger than you CAN imagine.
Put the people up there. They'll find a way. They'll survive. Nothing capable of supplying water (and incidentally, OXYGEN) is truly barren. It can sustain life, if that life is determined enough to live there.
"most of the planet wasn't born yet when it happened"
Yes, there's a joke in there. No, I'm not touching it. ;^)
But, I'll admit: I watched all of the moon landings on television, live. Maybe that's why I'm not going to bash you with the planet's birth. Us old bastards gotta stick together.
The moon is a way station. I mean, almost NO ONE meant to settle in places like Kansas City, all those years ago. But, some of the early passers-by saw that it could be profitable to build a few stores, to cater to the OTHER settlers going west.
Besides - slashdot has plenty of creatures who dwell in basements. They'd be perfectly content to dig into the moon's surface with all that ice water at hand. Plant a few plants, rig up a little solar power, add a few fiber optic cables, and you'd have one hell of a LAN party.
Hey - I've gotta go patent this idea I just had, see you 'round!
Cool idea.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=Microsoft%2Bhow%2Bto%2Bdestroy&go=&form=QBLH
Have you been keeping up with current events? The news on ACTA, for starters. Those school kids being spied on in Philadelphia via school mandated computers. Traffic light cameras. There is little doubt in my mind that the US is moving toward the same sort of round the clock surveillance that England and China enjoy right now. Law enforcement is pushing through a variety of rules, regulations, and even laws, permitting them to track citizens via mobile phone and other means, WITHOUT a warrant.
I definitely see an Orwellian future for the United States. Unless, of course, the citizens revolt against it. Unfortunately, the very citizens are subsidizing all of this surveillance. How many people do you know who have PAID FOR that GPS tracking that General Motors offers? Yes, PAID FOR some nice un-intrusive surveillance. Soon, the insurance companies will mandate that all vehicles have such surveillance, and we'll just roll over, and accept the edict.
Yes, BUT - what are the primary vectors again? Adobe stands head and shoulders above the crowd of other vectors. What Adobe do you find on the average *nix machine? Of my machines, two have Adobe Flash - the others have Gnash. Given just a little more motivation to move away from Adobe completely, I would rip their Flash programs out of the two machines that run it now.
Admittedly, Adobe runs in some places that Gnash doesn't do so well on - but do I really NEED flash to watch something on Youtube? Of course not. I can download the video, convert it, and watch it in VLC, Mplayer, or any number of other applications - none of which have been shown to be serious attack vectors.
Go ahead - root me. What are you waiting for? You want the details of my operating system? HA! I'm not that easy to social engineer!
Wait - ordinals? Isn't that a professional baseball team or something? St. Louis Ordinals? You wouldn't want to get in trouble for infringing on their trademark, would you? Yeah, you better use cardinal numbers!
I learned to say Mizz-OOR-ee in high school. The first girl I met who came from there taught me that it's MIZ-er-ee. Ehhh. If you don't like that one, you can shoot her. She was rather homely. Short of ugly, but somewhere beyond plain. Come to think of it, that describes Missouri too, doesn't it?