Bengie - I don't doubt what you say at all. But, I question your interaction with the world around you. We do, in fact, graduate kids from high school who lack basic reading skills. If you live in the United States, just grab a favorite simple book from your book shelf, and carry it with you to a McDonald's. Challenge the kids you meet to read the book to you. Come up with something - tell them that you're going blind, and you'd like them to read to you. Offer them a burger if they'll read to you. You'll find plenty who can read just fine - but you will also find a bunch who can't read on a third grade level.
And, since the subject of this posting is a test on math - while you're at McDonald's, you can test and evaluate kid's ability to make change. I haven't found a cashier in recent memory who can make change without a computer telling them how much money you should get back.
"We are missing good enough in pursuit of perfection."
The common core doesn't pursue perfection. Nor did the "No Cretin Left Behind". Both permit non-thinking people to believe that they have achieved something when they exit high school.
"So you have standard tests of basic knowledge, and then let the teachers add to that if they have the time after getting all the kids up to level."
Unfortunately, that is not what is happening. Teachers spend their entire school year preparing students to pass these very specific tests. They are NOT exceeding goals. They work hard to meet these very specific goals. "Everyone get good scores on these tests, so that the government gives us more money next year!" It's a closed loop, and a very vicious circle.
"If I turn the coffee cup over the stack of coins, I would read 9"
No, if you turned the coffee cup over the stack of coins, you would not read nine - you would be admiring the pretty stars behind your closed eyelids. Mother would have cuffed you upside the head, and she would be screeching at you to go get a dish towel to clean up the mess you have just made. When the stars disappear, and you open your eyes, you better do as you've been told, or Mother may hit you with something more substantial than her open hand!
There aren't six pennies in the cup. The drawing in the link appears to be that of a cup almost full of some liquid - presumably coffee. Whatever the contents of the cup, I am quite sure that pennies are not liquid. If the pennies were melted to a liquid state, then any household cup is very unlikely to hold that liquid without melting, or breaking. And, how full would a one cup measuring cup be, were it filled with that much copper alloy? Not nearly full. Go ahead, grab a coffee cup, and drop six pennies into it. I can put six ounces of coffee into an 8 ounce cup, then drop six pennies in, and the change will hardly be noticeable.
The drawing itself is a distraction away from the purported goal of "testing mathematical skills".
That is exactly the charge being laid against "common core" standards. It has been phrased in so many different ways, by so many different people, but always you come back to one concept. Teachers are teaching children to pass the "common core" tests, rather than teaching skills, knowledge, facts, or "thinking". The goal is for the children to do well on these very specific target tests. Problem solving and thinking are, at best, accidental incidentals.
Our education system has become FAR to politicized. With common core, we see the progressive's failed attempt to educate children. With "No Cretin Left Behind", or NCLB, we saw the conservative's failed attempt. (apologies to anyone born and raised on Crete) Both parties like to jack their jaws about the importance of education, but both parties have their part in the "dumbing down of America". And, THAT is why local governments should be tasked with educating children, and the federal government should maintain a hands off stance toward education.
For the most part, politicians are failed human beings. As failures, they have zero idea how children should be educated.
I agree. The company I work for is benefitting from an arrangement with the city and county government. I don't like it at all. Cheating rat bastards, take the money, and laugh all the way to the bank. But - it's not like I have a voice in the matter. The mayor, the county judges, and my bosses all gain something - we, the average taxpayers get nothing.
Pressure? You may have guessed that I am an outspoken person. I put all the pressure that I can on everyone involved. But, one loudmouthed old man doesn't generate much interest.
You still don't seem to connect all the dots. Large retail corporations have cut small retailers out, and at the same time, cut out local governments. Once upon a time, within living memory, the vast majority of people bought 99% of their goods locally. To get cheaper goods, or to benefit from lower tax rates, you had to actually drive across state lines. Yes - we did that. A lot of things in my home state were taxed, but 20 miles across the state line, some of those things were tax free, or taxed at a lower rate. So - from time to time, the family would load up, and we would make an expedition across the state line.
The problem today is, those huge megacorporations are basically depriving YOUR county, MY county, and EVERYONE's counties of much needed taxes.
If you're one who believes that you shouldn't have to pay taxes at all - I have very limited sympathy for you. I've already stated that I don't LIKE paying taxes - but pay taxes we must.
Oh - fuel taxes? Those go to state highways, for the most part. Your local government doesn't get a cut out of that. The feds have an excise tax on road use fuels, and the state has their taxes. No local government that I'm aware of gets ANYTHING from those taxes. So - how does your city pay for it's city streets? Your county or parish? You need to check that out. In MY county, they use part of sales taxes, part of property taxes, a portion of fines and penalties collected by the courts, and any federal or state grants that they can get their hands on.
Income tax is unconstitutional as well. Yet, we have an IRS enforcing the collection of income taxes.
Whether a federal sales tax ever be enacted or not, that doesn't preclude an administrative agency enabling the states and local jurisdictions to collect their taxes. It could be set up in any number of ways.
Fact is, I suspect that sometime soon, online retailers WILL be collecting sales taxes, and that the funds will be distributed according to some really arcane formula that few of us can claim to really understand.
Pal, I don't like paying taxes any more than the next guy. But, county, city, and state governments do require money to operate. Your county almost certainly has roads to maintain. Someone has to pay for it. Your schools cost money. Everything costs. So, how are you going to pay for it?
Each state has different formulas for funding things at the local level. Maybe your state doesn't use any sales tax for education, but the next state over uses most of sales tax for education. So, I can't know where YOUR sales taxes went 30 years ago, or today.
But, the fact is, 30 years ago, almost everything sold at retail WAS TAXED. The county and the state both had a sales tax, and they got their cut on just about everything. With today's internet, both are simply cut out of about half (or more) of their revenues.
Do I WANT to pay my county a few cents every time I make an online purchase? Not really. But, I do need my roads. I like having the parks cleaned up and maintained. And, the kids need stuff at school. Horatio has been wanting to do some much-needed work at the Horatio High School's football field. The money has to come from SOMEWHERE.
What I do NOT LIKE, is the fact that local and state governments have become more reliant on federal funds for everything, from school funds, to highway funds, to local infrastructure improvements. Local governments should be independent of Washington's money. Sales tax was a large part of that financial independence.
Higher quality? I dunno - how do you measure quality when you're comparing a sack of feces with a basket of beautiful red strawberries? I mean, the sack of feces may be high quality, as fertilizer!!
That's my idea. Government hired an incompetent contractor to build something. They built a freaking MESS. Just clear it all out. Sure, examine the code, see what the ideas were when they built the site. Take the best ideas, and rebuild the ideas, from the ground up.
Years ago, I was called in to a construction job, where the previous foreman had really screwed up. He built a foundation and wall in the wrong place. We didn't try to make the wall fit into the plan - we wrecked the frigging wall, poured a new footer, and built the wall on top of our new footer.
The site designers need to do the equivalent. Consider the "blueprint", see where everything went wrong, tear out the screwups, and build from the ground up. If that should happen to mean that not one single line of code remains, then so be it. If it means that 1/4 or 1/2 or even 3/4 of the code can be reused - fine. Just get it working. And, do it for less than another half billion freaking dollars!!
You should scroll up to B5Fan's post. I quote: And BTW my government should be preventing your government from accessing my mail, calls and communications. I hope that's okay?
See, my government is supposed to be looking out for the interests of me, and my fellow citizens. YOUR government, on the other hand, should be looking out for your, and your fellow citizen's interests. In a perfect world, no one would feel any need to abuse anyone's rights, of course - but even in a more perfect world than we have, your government would be your primary defense. If your government doesn't protect you - maybe you need a new government?
"Our government should be spending its resources preventing foreign governments from accessing our mail,"
The fact is, our government had agreements with the UK and most (probably all) of the old English Commonwealth countries. "It's illegal for US to spy on OUR citizens, and it's illegal for YOU to spy on YOUR citizens - so WE will spy on YOURS while YOU spy on OURS. That way, we break no laws, but we can share information!" These agreements were in place long before the digital age began.
"15 years ago, nobody thought the internet was much more than an academic curiousity."
Dude, this is 2013. The internet stopped being an academic curiosity around - ohhhh - 1995 or so. I guess Windows 95 is a safe mark with which to make my point. 95 was marketed widely, to common consumers, and small businesses, as well as students. Fifteen years ago marked Win98 of course, and regular consumers were a well established part of the intartubez by that time.
20 years ago, few people thought the internet was much more than an academic curiosity - but even then forward thinkers were plotting.
"At least that's your interpretation of how police act based on TV shows right?"
Errrr, no. I don't base anything on Hollyweird's strange entertainment. I have a sister who retired from the Pennsylvania State Police. I've worked with other people who have been cops. I've personally witnessed a number of "incidents" in real life. Please note - I AM NOT NOR HAVE I EVER BEEN A COP. I've only been close to some cops.
You simply don't find very many cops who are willing to back down from any potential confrontation.
"Here in Australia we have a whole bunch of rules and policies based around how police can engage in pursuits and under what circumstances they must disengage."
Several years ago, we had something of movement to do something like that. After some high profile police chases in which innocents were killed, the thing started to get off the ground. This was before I ever became a father, so more than 25 years ago. The whole thing just kinda fizzled out. Today, here in the states, cops do NOT just disengage. It doesn't happen. Not out in the boonies, and not downtown anywhere. Standard procedure is to call for backup, then call for a helicopter, then call for more backup, then call for yet more backup. Cops do NOT just back off.
Ditto, mostly. Well - I didn't have the same stuff you did on iGoogle, but ditto that I collected all the stuff that I, personally, considered to be worthy of space on a home page. Eventually, I'll settle on an alternative. Today, I'm still experimenting with the many alternatives.
Changing my search engine? I'm not quite ready for that - but the motivation to do so grows stronger with time. I'm mostly waiting for a real competitor that isn't owned, operated, or affiliated with Microsoft. If Bing didn't help to enrich Microsoft, I might reconsider them. Might. I guess they are mostly satisfactory, I just don't like them.
Revelations are soon forgotten by the public, which needs to get back to the latest "reality show". The trick is to continue releasing "new revelations" each week, or even each day, so that Clueless Joe finally begins to get a clue.
Miserable cunts run to their capitols every time they see something they don't like, and demand a new law be passed.
Here, in the states, we have already addressed that particular problem. We obviously don't NEED to sign a treaty giving the UN some kind of right to intervene in our affairs.
Funny though, that a miserable collectivist cunt who wants to be all lovey-dovey with us, should resort to name calling in an attempt to persuade us to sign a treaty. Tell me again why we would want a treaty with someone who describes us as miserable cunts?
Both yes, and no. Bikes have eluded the police almost since there were bikes. Just because the cops have great communications, doesn't mean they have great coordination. It grows less and less likely as time goes on, and technology improves, but bikes still elude the police.
But, I already mentioned dashcams, and license plates.
Actually - most of the stuff that can hit the earth has already been seen one or more times, their trajectories roughly plotted, etc. We already know to watch for much of it. The asteroid that is going to hit us may or may not hit us on the first pass. We get time to prepare, to calculate how much thrust, and in which direction. The one that intersected our lunar orbit? We have an idea when it will be back again, and from which direction it will approach. We already have warning - all we need do is watch for it. Will it return in ten years, or fifty years, or 150 years? I dunno - haven't bothered to check on that.
Additionally, not all heavenly bodies move at the same speed. Some rock moving at 200,000 mph relative to the earth is going to be a lot harder to detect, or to deflect. Another rock moving at a mere 100 mph relative to the earth will give lots of warning, and be relatively easy to deflect.
Each and every instance will be different. How 'bout we make an attempt to deflect the ones that we have some chance of deflecting - and in the process learn more about how things work?
Or - we can choose to do nothing, like you suggest.
My dad always said, "Do something, right or wrong." I don't know how to sit passively and wait for disaster.
Wait, wait, wait. You seem to be conflating multiple issues here.
First - if you're going to shoot, hell yes, you shoot to kill.
Second - our cops are to quick to shoot in many instances. But, still, if you're going to shoot, you shoot to kill.
Third - the chase - the original subject being discussed - doesn't require that the cop cars remain in close proximity, or even that they maintain visual contact. It isn't even necessary or desirable that the cops always "win" the chase. A 90 mph chase on downtown streets is criminal negligence on the part of the cops. You just don't to it. So what if a criminal gets away? It's not like he is suddenly going to disappear from the face of the earth, never to be heard from again. He'll be back, in some time and place where he can't flee. Let him win, this time. He only wins a round, he doesn't win the game.
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Bengie - I don't doubt what you say at all. But, I question your interaction with the world around you. We do, in fact, graduate kids from high school who lack basic reading skills. If you live in the United States, just grab a favorite simple book from your book shelf, and carry it with you to a McDonald's. Challenge the kids you meet to read the book to you. Come up with something - tell them that you're going blind, and you'd like them to read to you. Offer them a burger if they'll read to you. You'll find plenty who can read just fine - but you will also find a bunch who can't read on a third grade level.
And, since the subject of this posting is a test on math - while you're at McDonald's, you can test and evaluate kid's ability to make change. I haven't found a cashier in recent memory who can make change without a computer telling them how much money you should get back.
"We are missing good enough in pursuit of perfection."
The common core doesn't pursue perfection. Nor did the "No Cretin Left Behind". Both permit non-thinking people to believe that they have achieved something when they exit high school.
"So you have standard tests of basic knowledge, and then let the teachers add to that if they have the time after getting all the kids up to level."
Unfortunately, that is not what is happening. Teachers spend their entire school year preparing students to pass these very specific tests. They are NOT exceeding goals. They work hard to meet these very specific goals. "Everyone get good scores on these tests, so that the government gives us more money next year!" It's a closed loop, and a very vicious circle.
"If I turn the coffee cup over the stack of coins, I would read 9"
No, if you turned the coffee cup over the stack of coins, you would not read nine - you would be admiring the pretty stars behind your closed eyelids. Mother would have cuffed you upside the head, and she would be screeching at you to go get a dish towel to clean up the mess you have just made. When the stars disappear, and you open your eyes, you better do as you've been told, or Mother may hit you with something more substantial than her open hand!
There aren't six pennies in the cup. The drawing in the link appears to be that of a cup almost full of some liquid - presumably coffee. Whatever the contents of the cup, I am quite sure that pennies are not liquid. If the pennies were melted to a liquid state, then any household cup is very unlikely to hold that liquid without melting, or breaking. And, how full would a one cup measuring cup be, were it filled with that much copper alloy? Not nearly full. Go ahead, grab a coffee cup, and drop six pennies into it. I can put six ounces of coffee into an 8 ounce cup, then drop six pennies in, and the change will hardly be noticeable.
The drawing itself is a distraction away from the purported goal of "testing mathematical skills".
"mindless obedience over critical thinking"
That is exactly the charge being laid against "common core" standards. It has been phrased in so many different ways, by so many different people, but always you come back to one concept. Teachers are teaching children to pass the "common core" tests, rather than teaching skills, knowledge, facts, or "thinking". The goal is for the children to do well on these very specific target tests. Problem solving and thinking are, at best, accidental incidentals.
Our education system has become FAR to politicized. With common core, we see the progressive's failed attempt to educate children. With "No Cretin Left Behind", or NCLB, we saw the conservative's failed attempt. (apologies to anyone born and raised on Crete) Both parties like to jack their jaws about the importance of education, but both parties have their part in the "dumbing down of America". And, THAT is why local governments should be tasked with educating children, and the federal government should maintain a hands off stance toward education.
For the most part, politicians are failed human beings. As failures, they have zero idea how children should be educated.
I agree. The company I work for is benefitting from an arrangement with the city and county government. I don't like it at all. Cheating rat bastards, take the money, and laugh all the way to the bank. But - it's not like I have a voice in the matter. The mayor, the county judges, and my bosses all gain something - we, the average taxpayers get nothing.
Pressure? You may have guessed that I am an outspoken person. I put all the pressure that I can on everyone involved. But, one loudmouthed old man doesn't generate much interest.
You still don't seem to connect all the dots. Large retail corporations have cut small retailers out, and at the same time, cut out local governments. Once upon a time, within living memory, the vast majority of people bought 99% of their goods locally. To get cheaper goods, or to benefit from lower tax rates, you had to actually drive across state lines. Yes - we did that. A lot of things in my home state were taxed, but 20 miles across the state line, some of those things were tax free, or taxed at a lower rate. So - from time to time, the family would load up, and we would make an expedition across the state line.
The problem today is, those huge megacorporations are basically depriving YOUR county, MY county, and EVERYONE's counties of much needed taxes.
If you're one who believes that you shouldn't have to pay taxes at all - I have very limited sympathy for you. I've already stated that I don't LIKE paying taxes - but pay taxes we must.
Oh - fuel taxes? Those go to state highways, for the most part. Your local government doesn't get a cut out of that. The feds have an excise tax on road use fuels, and the state has their taxes. No local government that I'm aware of gets ANYTHING from those taxes. So - how does your city pay for it's city streets? Your county or parish? You need to check that out. In MY county, they use part of sales taxes, part of property taxes, a portion of fines and penalties collected by the courts, and any federal or state grants that they can get their hands on.
Income tax is unconstitutional as well. Yet, we have an IRS enforcing the collection of income taxes.
Whether a federal sales tax ever be enacted or not, that doesn't preclude an administrative agency enabling the states and local jurisdictions to collect their taxes. It could be set up in any number of ways.
Fact is, I suspect that sometime soon, online retailers WILL be collecting sales taxes, and that the funds will be distributed according to some really arcane formula that few of us can claim to really understand.
Ill gotten gains?
Pal, I don't like paying taxes any more than the next guy. But, county, city, and state governments do require money to operate. Your county almost certainly has roads to maintain. Someone has to pay for it. Your schools cost money. Everything costs. So, how are you going to pay for it?
Each state has different formulas for funding things at the local level. Maybe your state doesn't use any sales tax for education, but the next state over uses most of sales tax for education. So, I can't know where YOUR sales taxes went 30 years ago, or today.
But, the fact is, 30 years ago, almost everything sold at retail WAS TAXED. The county and the state both had a sales tax, and they got their cut on just about everything. With today's internet, both are simply cut out of about half (or more) of their revenues.
Do I WANT to pay my county a few cents every time I make an online purchase? Not really. But, I do need my roads. I like having the parks cleaned up and maintained. And, the kids need stuff at school. Horatio has been wanting to do some much-needed work at the Horatio High School's football field. The money has to come from SOMEWHERE.
What I do NOT LIKE, is the fact that local and state governments have become more reliant on federal funds for everything, from school funds, to highway funds, to local infrastructure improvements. Local governments should be independent of Washington's money. Sales tax was a large part of that financial independence.
What? You're saying that possession of a degree, doesn't make him competent in anything? *GASP* The shock!!
Higher quality? I dunno - how do you measure quality when you're comparing a sack of feces with a basket of beautiful red strawberries? I mean, the sack of feces may be high quality, as fertilizer!!
That's my idea. Government hired an incompetent contractor to build something. They built a freaking MESS. Just clear it all out. Sure, examine the code, see what the ideas were when they built the site. Take the best ideas, and rebuild the ideas, from the ground up.
Years ago, I was called in to a construction job, where the previous foreman had really screwed up. He built a foundation and wall in the wrong place. We didn't try to make the wall fit into the plan - we wrecked the frigging wall, poured a new footer, and built the wall on top of our new footer.
The site designers need to do the equivalent. Consider the "blueprint", see where everything went wrong, tear out the screwups, and build from the ground up. If that should happen to mean that not one single line of code remains, then so be it. If it means that 1/4 or 1/2 or even 3/4 of the code can be reused - fine. Just get it working. And, do it for less than another half billion freaking dollars!!
Well, the NSA has already cracked it. I can see your posts now . . . .
You should scroll up to B5Fan's post. I quote: And BTW my government should be preventing your government from accessing my mail, calls and communications. I hope that's okay?
See, my government is supposed to be looking out for the interests of me, and my fellow citizens. YOUR government, on the other hand, should be looking out for your, and your fellow citizen's interests. In a perfect world, no one would feel any need to abuse anyone's rights, of course - but even in a more perfect world than we have, your government would be your primary defense. If your government doesn't protect you - maybe you need a new government?
"Our government should be spending its resources preventing foreign governments from accessing our
mail,"
The fact is, our government had agreements with the UK and most (probably all) of the old English Commonwealth countries. "It's illegal for US to spy on OUR citizens, and it's illegal for YOU to spy on YOUR citizens - so WE will spy on YOURS while YOU spy on OURS. That way, we break no laws, but we can share information!" These agreements were in place long before the digital age began.
"15 years ago, nobody thought the internet was much more than an academic curiousity."
Dude, this is 2013. The internet stopped being an academic curiosity around - ohhhh - 1995 or so. I guess Windows 95 is a safe mark with which to make my point. 95 was marketed widely, to common consumers, and small businesses, as well as students. Fifteen years ago marked Win98 of course, and regular consumers were a well established part of the intartubez by that time.
20 years ago, few people thought the internet was much more than an academic curiosity - but even then forward thinkers were plotting.
Have the altitudes changed though?
"At least that's your interpretation of how police act based on TV shows right?"
Errrr, no. I don't base anything on Hollyweird's strange entertainment. I have a sister who retired from the Pennsylvania State Police. I've worked with other people who have been cops. I've personally witnessed a number of "incidents" in real life. Please note - I AM NOT NOR HAVE I EVER BEEN A COP. I've only been close to some cops.
You simply don't find very many cops who are willing to back down from any potential confrontation.
"Here in Australia we have a whole bunch of rules and policies based around how police can engage in pursuits and under what circumstances they must disengage."
Several years ago, we had something of movement to do something like that. After some high profile police chases in which innocents were killed, the thing started to get off the ground. This was before I ever became a father, so more than 25 years ago. The whole thing just kinda fizzled out. Today, here in the states, cops do NOT just disengage. It doesn't happen. Not out in the boonies, and not downtown anywhere. Standard procedure is to call for backup, then call for a helicopter, then call for more backup, then call for yet more backup. Cops do NOT just back off.
Ditto, mostly. Well - I didn't have the same stuff you did on iGoogle, but ditto that I collected all the stuff that I, personally, considered to be worthy of space on a home page. Eventually, I'll settle on an alternative. Today, I'm still experimenting with the many alternatives.
Changing my search engine? I'm not quite ready for that - but the motivation to do so grows stronger with time. I'm mostly waiting for a real competitor that isn't owned, operated, or affiliated with Microsoft. If Bing didn't help to enrich Microsoft, I might reconsider them. Might. I guess they are mostly satisfactory, I just don't like them.
Just read an article suggesting that the Guardian is doing a great job of waking up the public. They keep releasing "new information" from all those Snowden documents, keeping the NSA in the public consciousness. Ahhh - here it is: http://www.usatoday.com/story/cybertruth/2013/10/30/how-snowden-is-returning-privacy-to-a-social-norm/3318559/
Revelations are soon forgotten by the public, which needs to get back to the latest "reality show". The trick is to continue releasing "new revelations" each week, or even each day, so that Clueless Joe finally begins to get a clue.
Miserable cunts run to their capitols every time they see something they don't like, and demand a new law be passed.
Here, in the states, we have already addressed that particular problem. We obviously don't NEED to sign a treaty giving the UN some kind of right to intervene in our affairs.
Funny though, that a miserable collectivist cunt who wants to be all lovey-dovey with us, should resort to name calling in an attempt to persuade us to sign a treaty. Tell me again why we would want a treaty with someone who describes us as miserable cunts?
Both yes, and no. Bikes have eluded the police almost since there were bikes. Just because the cops have great communications, doesn't mean they have great coordination. It grows less and less likely as time goes on, and technology improves, but bikes still elude the police.
But, I already mentioned dashcams, and license plates.
Actually - most of the stuff that can hit the earth has already been seen one or more times, their trajectories roughly plotted, etc. We already know to watch for much of it. The asteroid that is going to hit us may or may not hit us on the first pass. We get time to prepare, to calculate how much thrust, and in which direction. The one that intersected our lunar orbit? We have an idea when it will be back again, and from which direction it will approach. We already have warning - all we need do is watch for it. Will it return in ten years, or fifty years, or 150 years? I dunno - haven't bothered to check on that.
Additionally, not all heavenly bodies move at the same speed. Some rock moving at 200,000 mph relative to the earth is going to be a lot harder to detect, or to deflect. Another rock moving at a mere 100 mph relative to the earth will give lots of warning, and be relatively easy to deflect.
Each and every instance will be different. How 'bout we make an attempt to deflect the ones that we have some chance of deflecting - and in the process learn more about how things work?
Or - we can choose to do nothing, like you suggest.
My dad always said, "Do something, right or wrong." I don't know how to sit passively and wait for disaster.
As usual - when you've run out of arguments, resort to insults. Thanks for playing!!
Wait, wait, wait. You seem to be conflating multiple issues here.
First - if you're going to shoot, hell yes, you shoot to kill.
Second - our cops are to quick to shoot in many instances. But, still, if you're going to shoot, you shoot to kill.
Third - the chase - the original subject being discussed - doesn't require that the cop cars remain in close proximity, or even that they maintain visual contact. It isn't even necessary or desirable that the cops always "win" the chase. A 90 mph chase on downtown streets is criminal negligence on the part of the cops. You just don't to it. So what if a criminal gets away? It's not like he is suddenly going to disappear from the face of the earth, never to be heard from again. He'll be back, in some time and place where he can't flee. Let him win, this time. He only wins a round, he doesn't win the game.