Please read the full post before insulting people, at least read the first line.
I didn't insult anyone. Stop the paranoia (see here, I've written paranoia, I didn't write you are actually a compulsive paranoiac). Please quote the insult.
Contrary to what you wrote, I did read and understood your words, but I just don't agree these are valid arguments. Can you live with that fact? For example, I don't think people setup Linux just because they need to run things under WINE. I tend to think they would use what's available on the archives. I know a quite fair number of Linux users, and not even once in my life, I saw one that were using a proprietary application with WINE. NOT EVEN ONCE! So if you think that's an argument, then this must be a personal thing specific to yourself. Last thing, no need to tell that "user may want to install windows", even if you repeat it again that this is your point, it's not the one of the OP, which wanted to setup a Linux machine. I do read you, I do understand, but you are still off-topic, even if you repeat yourself and point to me as if I didn't understand you. The same goes for people not giving you back your USB key, reading stupid advertisement CD from useless magazines, or the fact that it's not harder to boot on a USB key than it is to boot on a CDROM (people who can't choose a boot device at boot time wont be smart enough to setup ANY operating system anyway, whatever boot device you will use...).
P.S: Did you see how painful it was to read me repeating myself and re-phrase what I already wrote? FYI, I just did that on purpose since you seem to like this style...
- You need windows, but we were talking about a Linux machine.
- You need software for windows to run on your Linux machine.
- You need to read CDs from magazines, which are burning free stuff that, by the way, you will find on the net.
- People are stilling your USB keys (I don't see "average Joe" using Linux, but never mind).
- You (or "average Joe") is/are too dumb to press F11 at boot time (sic!).
- You don't have a BD player for your TV, but still would like to play BD.
All the above are specific to you, and don't cover the general case of using a computer with Linux.
CD / DVDs aren't at all a reliable media for backups. I wouldn't recommend anyone to do that, especially for financial data. If you need a backup, do it with a USB hard drive for the local one, and also send an off-site backup over the wire. That is, at least 3 copies (if you include the one you are working on).
- Why would you install Win...s for?
- Most (if not all) Linux distro will support to be setup from USB.
- The computer is shipped with Linux, not windows, so how do you exactly install Photoshop on it?
- If you have a problem, then boot on a live... USB key!
- Is there still some "free stuff" CD with magazines? Oh, sorry... is there still some (paper) computer magazines?
- If you need to play BD films, why don't buy a TV BD player and play on that? We're talking about a computer here, not a TV set...
100 CD + 30 DVD (if they are all full, and all your DVDs are 9 GB, which I both don't think reflects reality) would add up to 340 GB. I really hope that this new computer has an HDD bigger than 340 GB, otherwise, many people will complain about it!
What content are you talking about? Last time I checked, all I needed for my Linux distro was available from Internet. Oh, maybe you were talking about content for that non-free operating system starting with "win" and ending with "dows"? But that's not the default on that computer, so why should we care?
... since he is the author of the so much flawed and famous "Hockey Stick Graph". So what difference does it makes if someone says that the emails from the CRU aren't proof? Don't we have enough proof of how ridicule this "scientist" is already?
Few things you are failing in here. First, "Debian" is down to one guy when it comes to packaging PHP. More or less, Ondej Surý does it all, since last year, Raphael Geissert started being busy. I myself work more on packaging PEAR packages, and I have enough work. So if you want things to become better for the packaging of PHP in Debian, then you need to contribute! Create a new user on Alioth, register the project and the pkg-php-maint list, and start helping. Because for sure, we don't have, in Debian, the time to do the programming for more unit testing than it is available in upstream. However, I believe it'd be nice to have the upstream unit testing added the to Debian build process. That would avoid such "surprise"!:)
And the second thing, I posted it on another thread: Debian is *NOT* affected by this, since the crypt() function of php is using the system implementation, not the one of PHP, at least when available (this isn't the case of blowfish which isn't available, so blowfish is affected, but not md5 for example).
The internal crypt() function of PHP is only there whenever the system function doesn't exist. So for example, in Debian, only the blowfish encryption is affected, all other encryption are using the system. Here's Ondrej post about it:
I am guessing that this will be the case in most Unix distribution, but it will be an issue on platforms like Windows. So, maybe this is just too much buzz...
But this is already what's happening! Almost all distro are currently using kernel 2.6.32, and any security patch that a given distro will make will be able to be shared with others. So I don't really see the point here.
Debian security support stands for more than 2 years. So if you say "more than 2 years", I'd say, that's what we get with any Debian release. So I hope that the plan is to have it for longer, otherwise it's YASM (Yet Another Suse Marketing...). There's all signs that 2.6.32 will be maintained for a long long, very long, extremely long time, since so many distro are using it.
I actually live in Shanghai, 20 minutes driving from from both ends of the maglev, and I think I know what I'm taking about, regardless of what the western world journalists are (wrongly) using to call it.
And by the way, the only thing you are pointing at is a Google search that shows results about that last event (with subtitle "X hours ago"), with journalists repeating the same crap, probably written by a single (bad) news agency. That's not very helpful...
I use bullet trains as a translation of dongche all the time.
Then you got it wrong all the time. How come you're calling a 200 km/h train a "bullet train"? That's how fast the slow trains are running almost everywhere, it's far from running at bullet speed!
the one in Shanghai is a maglev.
Yup, and it's also called "bullet train", because it's kind of flying in the air thanks to the magnetic levitation, just like a gun bullet also flies... Last time I checked, DongChe are touching the rails!
Again, journalists have it wrong. The one and only bullet train that is in production in China, is in Shanghai. This train is made out of German technology, can reach 430 km, and links the city (Long Yang Lu station) center to the Pudong airport. Then you have "Gao Tie", the Chinese TGV. Such trains would be marked as "G" then a number. "Dong Chi" would be D, and they are all but bullet trains. How come the journalist wrote "bullet trains" for these "Dong Chi" is a mystery!!!
Looked into it, emailed them about it, tried to call them on the phone, got zero response from them.
This is the totally wrong way to deal with the issue here. Don't call, don't email, just open a claim using the paypal web interface which is made just for that, and you will get your money back within maximum 15 days.
I've been using paypal for more than 8 years, with thousands of transactions, I think I know what I'm talking about here. Also, I heard so many times about people complaining about the verification process of paypal, and complaining that their account was blocked. Considering the high number of fraud on the internet, I don't think paypal can be blame.
If paypal has to be blame for something, it's their rate. Not only they are very expensive (4% is hardly unmatched), but also when you move money from one currency to another, they take another 4%. And in many cases you can't do without such currency conversion, because Paypal wouldn't let you add a bank account on the currency you want.
I don't agree with this *at all*. You may have not looked into the dispute thing of paypal. In fact, it's the buyer which is safe in Paypal, and the seller having all the difficulties when a buyer is doing a claim or dispute. In fact, I'd recommend using paypal for anything unsafe if you are a buyer, and I would recommend all possible care for sellers.
Last time I heard about it (last year's debconf 10), Debian had about 100k USD in. The point here is NOT how much you have, but how much you DON'T have: eg, we're a non-profit organization. SPI is here only to make an interface with the real world, because we need a legal entity for many things (like registering domain names, the Debian trademark, etc.). If we could do without it, we would!
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Please read the full post before insulting people, at least read the first line.
I didn't insult anyone. Stop the paranoia (see here, I've written paranoia, I didn't write you are actually a compulsive paranoiac). Please quote the insult.
Contrary to what you wrote, I did read and understood your words, but I just don't agree these are valid arguments. Can you live with that fact? For example, I don't think people setup Linux just because they need to run things under WINE. I tend to think they would use what's available on the archives. I know a quite fair number of Linux users, and not even once in my life, I saw one that were using a proprietary application with WINE. NOT EVEN ONCE! So if you think that's an argument, then this must be a personal thing specific to yourself. Last thing, no need to tell that "user may want to install windows", even if you repeat it again that this is your point, it's not the one of the OP, which wanted to setup a Linux machine. I do read you, I do understand, but you are still off-topic, even if you repeat yourself and point to me as if I didn't understand you. The same goes for people not giving you back your USB key, reading stupid advertisement CD from useless magazines, or the fact that it's not harder to boot on a USB key than it is to boot on a CDROM (people who can't choose a boot device at boot time wont be smart enough to setup ANY operating system anyway, whatever boot device you will use...).
P.S: Did you see how painful it was to read me repeating myself and re-phrase what I already wrote? FYI, I just did that on purpose since you seem to like this style...
So let me recap. You need a CD rom because:
- You need windows, but we were talking about a Linux machine.
- You need software for windows to run on your Linux machine.
- You need to read CDs from magazines, which are burning free stuff that, by the way, you will find on the net.
- People are stilling your USB keys (I don't see "average Joe" using Linux, but never mind).
- You (or "average Joe") is/are too dumb to press F11 at boot time (sic!).
- You don't have a BD player for your TV, but still would like to play BD.
All the above are specific to you, and don't cover the general case of using a computer with Linux.
If you have plenty of games to run, you're aren't betting on running them on an API emulator. You'd get the original OS and run the games on that one.
CD / DVDs aren't at all a reliable media for backups. I wouldn't recommend anyone to do that, especially for financial data. If you need a backup, do it with a USB hard drive for the local one, and also send an off-site backup over the wire. That is, at least 3 copies (if you include the one you are working on).
"Turns out that between some great deals, an AMD processor, and a Linux OS, it can actually be done."
And I don't think you'll buy a Linux laptop just to run (plenty of) windows games on it. It doesn't make sense.
How many games for Linux are shipped on CD/DVD?
- Why would you install Win...s for? ... USB key!
- Most (if not all) Linux distro will support to be setup from USB.
- The computer is shipped with Linux, not windows, so how do you exactly install Photoshop on it?
- If you have a problem, then boot on a live
- Is there still some "free stuff" CD with magazines? Oh, sorry... is there still some (paper) computer magazines?
- If you need to play BD films, why don't buy a TV BD player and play on that? We're talking about a computer here, not a TV set...
100 CD + 30 DVD (if they are all full, and all your DVDs are 9 GB, which I both don't think reflects reality) would add up to 340 GB. I really hope that this new computer has an HDD bigger than 340 GB, otherwise, many people will complain about it!
In the 80s I had boxes of floppy disks. I don't regret that I don't use them anymore, even though I believe I must still have these boxes somewhere.
What content are you talking about? Last time I checked, all I needed for my Linux distro was available from Internet. Oh, maybe you were talking about content for that non-free operating system starting with "win" and ending with "dows"? But that's not the default on that computer, so why should we care?
... since he is the author of the so much flawed and famous "Hockey Stick Graph". So what difference does it makes if someone says that the emails from the CRU aren't proof? Don't we have enough proof of how ridicule this "scientist" is already?
Few things you are failing in here. First, "Debian" is down to one guy when it comes to packaging PHP. More or less, Ondej Surý does it all, since last year, Raphael Geissert started being busy. I myself work more on packaging PEAR packages, and I have enough work. So if you want things to become better for the packaging of PHP in Debian, then you need to contribute! Create a new user on Alioth, register the project and the pkg-php-maint list, and start helping. Because for sure, we don't have, in Debian, the time to do the programming for more unit testing than it is available in upstream. However, I believe it'd be nice to have the upstream unit testing added the to Debian build process. That would avoid such "surprise"! :)
And the second thing, I posted it on another thread: Debian is *NOT* affected by this, since the crypt() function of php is using the system implementation, not the one of PHP, at least when available (this isn't the case of blowfish which isn't available, so blowfish is affected, but not md5 for example).
The internal crypt() function of PHP is only there whenever the system function doesn't exist. So for example, in Debian, only the blowfish encryption is affected, all other encryption are using the system. Here's Ondrej post about it:
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-php-maint/2011-August/009328.html
I am guessing that this will be the case in most Unix distribution, but it will be an issue on platforms like Windows. So, maybe this is just too much buzz...
But this is already what's happening! Almost all distro are currently using kernel 2.6.32, and any security patch that a given distro will make will be able to be shared with others. So I don't really see the point here.
Debian security support stands for more than 2 years. So if you say "more than 2 years", I'd say, that's what we get with any Debian release. So I hope that the plan is to have it for longer, otherwise it's YASM (Yet Another Suse Marketing...). There's all signs that 2.6.32 will be maintained for a long long, very long, extremely long time, since so many distro are using it.
So fast to make assumptions and spitting at others. You know nothing about me. I'm not any of what you wrote above.
I actually live in Shanghai, 20 minutes driving from from both ends of the maglev, and I think I know what I'm taking about, regardless of what the western world journalists are (wrongly) using to call it.
And by the way, the only thing you are pointing at is a Google search that shows results about that last event (with subtitle "X hours ago"), with journalists repeating the same crap, probably written by a single (bad) news agency. That's not very helpful...
I use bullet trains as a translation of dongche all the time.
Then you got it wrong all the time. How come you're calling a 200 km/h train a "bullet train"? That's how fast the slow trains are running almost everywhere, it's far from running at bullet speed!
the one in Shanghai is a maglev.
Yup, and it's also called "bullet train", because it's kind of flying in the air thanks to the magnetic levitation, just like a gun bullet also flies... Last time I checked, DongChe are touching the rails!
Again, journalists have it wrong. The one and only bullet train that is in production in China, is in Shanghai. This train is made out of German technology, can reach 430 km, and links the city (Long Yang Lu station) center to the Pudong airport. Then you have "Gao Tie", the Chinese TGV. Such trains would be marked as "G" then a number. "Dong Chi" would be D, and they are all but bullet trains. How come the journalist wrote "bullet trains" for these "Dong Chi" is a mystery!!!
Looked into it, emailed them about it, tried to call them on the phone, got zero response from them.
This is the totally wrong way to deal with the issue here. Don't call, don't email, just open a claim using the paypal web interface which is made just for that, and you will get your money back within maximum 15 days.
I've been using paypal for more than 8 years, with thousands of transactions, I think I know what I'm talking about here. Also, I heard so many times about people complaining about the verification process of paypal, and complaining that their account was blocked. Considering the high number of fraud on the internet, I don't think paypal can be blame.
If paypal has to be blame for something, it's their rate. Not only they are very expensive (4% is hardly unmatched), but also when you move money from one currency to another, they take another 4%. And in many cases you can't do without such currency conversion, because Paypal wouldn't let you add a bank account on the currency you want.
My record waiting time to get somebody on the phone with paypal is 56 minutes, and I guess it could be more in some cases.
I don't agree with this *at all*. You may have not looked into the dispute thing of paypal. In fact, it's the buyer which is safe in Paypal, and the seller having all the difficulties when a buyer is doing a claim or dispute. In fact, I'd recommend using paypal for anything unsafe if you are a buyer, and I would recommend all possible care for sellers.
Last time I heard about it (last year's debconf 10), Debian had about 100k USD in. The point here is NOT how much you have, but how much you DON'T have: eg, we're a non-profit organization. SPI is here only to make an interface with the real world, because we need a legal entity for many things (like registering domain names, the Debian trademark, etc.). If we could do without it, we would!
Seems there's not only fglrx that supports ATI GPU. I don't think the OT is suggesting to to use any ATI driver at all...