Before you mark this as flamebait, I'll just mention that I've started a LUG, been a dedicated officer, run Linux at home (now, to be exact), and love it (except I miss IE5 -- go Mozilla). I've written freesoftware for my LUG, and I think the Free Sofware and Open Source movements have done incredible things.
Unix has come a long way in its decades, but we simply would not be in this frantic "information age" if it weren't for the efforts of Micro$oft.
Blasphemy on/.? Hardly!
I don't work for them, I never want to, and I think NT has some fundamental problems (but what software doesn't). It is one of the most feature complete products combined with one that looks deceptively easy to use (and is if you don't scratch the surface).
I love GNOME. I'm learning how to write GNOME apps and have participated online at Gnotices. My father swears by KDE. They are great projects. They are in some ways inovative, but they are also playing catchup to Windows. Yes, they will be much better implementations (come the 2.x releases) of ideas such as [D]COM etc, but what is important to most people is what they can do now and not what they should be able to do at some unspecified time in the future.
If nothing else, they have given us as a community a prototype of how we could implement things later.
Havoc spells it out right on page 9. What a disappointment. I would argue that CORBA is more central to where GNOME is going than lib-xml (poster complained about lack of lib-xml earlier), but both are truly important and worth looking into.
I ordered the book before it came out from Amazon and it's treated me well so far. The book bites off a lot and so the pace is *very* quick. You won't read a bit and be Miguel overnight. It is not the end-all GTK+/GNOME book, but a great introduction for people willing to learn. In just the 2nd Chapter, I've pulled out several advanced/expert C programming books to follow along with the code (and you think C++ can be difficult at times!). I've said it before on/., but the best Christmas (praise Jesus!) present I ever got was 'Expert C Programming - Deep C Secrets' by Perter Van Der Linden. Great book; great humor. You'd think he pays me commision (...and I'll accept it)-- it's just that good.
So in closing, if you know how to program and are thinking about buying some docs to get going with GNOME and GTK+, you need this book, a GTK reference, and 'Deep C Secrets' wouldn't hurt either.
One possible solution to the complaints about out of date or inaccurate HOW-TOs is to follow the Open Content model. With their Open Publication License, their basic goals are to have book source files open and kept in CVS. It seems like they still have some kinks in the license, but as long as I get my copy of GTK+/GNOME Application Development (Havoc Pennington) which is released under this license, I'll be happy.
David
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Um...
Since Gnome doesn't integrate with E very well, if you did something like pull up the Gnome Configuration tool, it probably wouldn't let you access Econf. Now, from their, you probably couldn't adjust the settings for focus to be whatever your heart desired because Rasterman isn't into customization at all.
I'll be the first to admit that some E themes step all over GNOME when it comes to menus, but that is the theme-ers, and not E or Gnome.
So, theme-ers or Rasterman, could we either have versions of the themes w/o root menus or the option to ignore the root menus from a theme? Then everyone will play nicely together.
Motorola Computing was at Linux World in San Jose. So maybe it's a good thing for Linux. Now what I want to see is Motorola port their "docking" software for their cellphones (i1000) to Linux. They've got a Windows version to manage the phone number database. The phone has a docking station similar to a palm pilot in that it (I believe) connects to the serial port.
Speaking of docking, isn't 3COM supposed to be working on software for Linux for the palm pilot? Sure, Kpilot looks great, but it's buggy as hell. At Linux World Applix had a version that exports data from the pilot, but won't read it back in. Haven't tried it yet, but I'd be willing to pay for a decent docking program for my pilot and my phone.
That's odd. I've run Gnome on machines w/o sound cards. At worst, E complains that it couldn't start esd, turns off sound, then happily goes on silently. Good luck.
I don't have O2K, but one of the new features is supposed to be Save As XML. With good open-source XML capable Word Processors, etc., we'll be okay:
Somebody sends you an O2K file you can't read, kindly ask them to resend but this time in XML, and let them know that they should always send documents as XML (no macro virus worries, ASCII text, OS interoperability, no vendor lock-in). They can always read it as XML and so could you.
Now, just need that awesome XML "Office"-type program for Linux/Be. If you decide to write one now, please use Java and let me know.
Many of us run caseless w/o any problems. It really depends on what else you have around it. Neither wood nor plastic shield EMF. Sometimes running without a case is nice if you're lazy like me or just like blowing the dust around.
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Unix has come a long way in its decades, but we simply would not be in this frantic "information age" if it weren't for the efforts of Micro$oft.
Blasphemy on /.? Hardly!
I don't work for them, I never want to, and I think NT has some fundamental problems (but what software doesn't). It is one of the most feature complete products combined with one that looks deceptively easy to use (and is if you don't scratch the surface).
I love GNOME. I'm learning how to write GNOME apps and have participated online at Gnotices. My father swears by KDE. They are great projects. They are in some ways inovative, but they are also playing catchup to Windows. Yes, they will be much better implementations (come the 2.x releases) of ideas such as [D]COM etc, but what is important to most people is what they can do now and not what they should be able to do at some unspecified time in the future.
If nothing else, they have given us as a community a prototype of how we could implement things later.
David
Havoc spells it out right on page 9. What a disappointment. I would argue that CORBA is more central to where GNOME is going than lib-xml (poster complained about lack of lib-xml earlier), but both are truly important and worth looking into.
/., but the best Christmas (praise Jesus!) present I ever got was 'Expert C Programming - Deep C Secrets' by Perter Van Der Linden. Great book; great humor. You'd think he pays me commision (...and I'll accept it)-- it's just that good.
I ordered the book before it came out from Amazon and it's treated me well so far. The book bites off a lot and so the pace is *very* quick. You won't read a bit and be Miguel overnight. It is not the end-all GTK+/GNOME book, but a great introduction for people willing to learn. In just the 2nd Chapter, I've pulled out several advanced/expert C programming books to follow along with the code (and you think C++ can be difficult at times!). I've said it before on
So in closing, if you know how to program and are thinking about buying some docs to get going with GNOME and GTK+, you need this book, a GTK reference, and 'Deep C Secrets' wouldn't hurt either.
Good luck.
One possible solution to the complaints about out of date or inaccurate HOW-TOs is to follow the Open Content model. With their Open Publication License, their basic goals are to have book source files open and kept in CVS. It seems like they still have some kinks in the license, but as long as I get my copy of GTK+/GNOME Application Development (Havoc Pennington) which is released under this license, I'll be happy.
David
Um...
Since Gnome doesn't integrate with E very well, if you did something like pull up the Gnome Configuration tool, it probably wouldn't let you access Econf. Now, from their, you probably couldn't adjust the settings for focus to be whatever your heart desired because Rasterman isn't into customization at all.
I'll be the first to admit that some E themes step all over GNOME when it comes to menus, but that is the theme-ers, and not E or Gnome.
So, theme-ers or Rasterman, could we either have versions of the themes w/o root menus or the option to ignore the root menus from a theme? Then everyone will play nicely together.
David
Motorola Computing was at Linux World in San Jose. So maybe it's a good thing for Linux. Now what I want to see is Motorola port their "docking" software for their cellphones (i1000) to Linux. They've got a Windows version to manage the phone number database. The phone has a docking station similar to a palm pilot in that it (I believe) connects to the serial port.
Speaking of docking, isn't 3COM supposed to be working on software for Linux for the palm pilot? Sure, Kpilot looks great, but it's buggy as hell. At Linux World Applix had a version that exports data from the pilot, but won't read it back in. Haven't tried it yet, but I'd be willing to pay for a decent docking program for my pilot and my phone.
David
It really comes down to how you view government intervention vs. personal responsibility:
Do people need to be protected from themselves?
Does passing a law guarantee a solution or guarantee more laws?
Can government programs raise children so parents don't have to?
The government will take care of you; look what they've done for the Indians.
David
That's odd. I've run Gnome on machines w/o sound cards. At worst, E complains that it couldn't start esd, turns off sound, then happily goes on silently. Good luck.
The law's the law (darn M$!). If there a really smoking gun's in the email, we'll see them and hopefully that's enough.
What's in it for them?
Will the code still be available?
David
I don't have O2K, but one of the new features is supposed to be Save As XML. With good open-source XML capable Word Processors, etc., we'll be okay:
Somebody sends you an O2K file you can't read, kindly ask them to resend but this time in XML, and let them know that they should always send documents as XML (no macro virus worries, ASCII text, OS interoperability, no vendor lock-in). They can always read it as XML and so could you.
Now, just need that awesome XML "Office"-type program for Linux/Be. If you decide to write one now, please use Java and let me know.
David
Many of us run caseless w/o any problems. It really depends on what else you have around it. Neither wood nor plastic shield EMF. Sometimes running without a case is nice if you're lazy like me or just like blowing the dust around.
Actually, I voted against him as well.
Wow, have things changed! I'm glad we voted to keep "the gas-bag."
David