Ironic. You're the one wacked on Dayquil, and I'm the one that started this with a dumb post.
Well, in all actuality, the one who started this dumb post was some non-native speaker declaring his loathing for governmental use of his open source software.
This is probably one of the longest, least-substance filled, but fun threads I've ever been involved in. Yay for slow work days!
I did read what you wrote, I just whiffed on the fact that you were quoting someone. My dumb error. I apologize.
*gasp* Oh holy hell, I did not just see this. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart. You have just taken a great step to proving the people on here were not all assholes. Again, thanks.
Posting anonymously as someone who writes code for military simulators: bullshit. Simulator code is as crap as code anywhere else, perhaps more so because the military change their mind so often about what it is they want.
Fine, I hope you still read this so we can continue. What simulator are you using for your aerodynamics? On standard Octanes you can create a 99.7% accurate aerodynamic model. From someone who has worked on a simulator for the government, I disagree with you. Maybe it's just your segment, and we didn't do it military but the military did have a lot of ties with our code. In the end we had an extremely accurate simulator. Maybe you just aren't using the right tools for the job.
But therein lies a real 'double edged sword', the great thing about the GPL/LGPL is that it doesn't have lots of different potentially incompatible licenses - so people can mix and match their software - libertarian code works with lefty code works with evil warmongering republican code.
By omitting the ability for the military, and therein the government, to utilize your code you are causing more damage. The proprietary code is less easily auditable, thereby potentially more buggy causing more destruction. Also, what about the peace keeping portions of the military?
If you write something that can be used for military purposes, and forbid the government on your side from using it and gaining advantage, than what will stop the opposing force from using it without your consent? Fear of a lawsuit... don't think so:)
But on the flipside... man that's gotta hurt thinking that your Open Source could maybe have brought you that much money if you had sold it instead of gave it away.
Well, you'd have to have money to market it, plus the contacts to get it in the door, plus the money to lobby it as high level contracts go... generally only the big players get to play with the government.
So so very wrong the world is, isn't it? Without a doubt...
Good idea, Einstein. I'm sure people like Saddam and Uday Hussain, Ferdinand Marcos, Idi Amin, and Pol Pot will abide by that.
Uhm, what's your point? Whether there are restrictions or not, they still use the software. I believe I made the point against the possibility of restrictions hurting legitimate and peaceful government operations... glad to see you are quick to flame without reading.
Unfortunately, the U.S. and other civilized nations would be the only ones that would suffer. Murderous regimes aren't noted for reading the GPL, let alone complying with it.
Yea, its worth it if my software helps kill people so long as it hurts Microsoft. You realy need to figure out whos side your on, its us VS Microsoft, everything else is just collateral damage.
I'm an open source contributor, and I'm not against Microsoft. I run Linux, support GNU and the FSF, and have been involved in a few open source projects.
There is no war to be fought with Microsoft, and zealots are just here to hurt the progression of Linux to the desktop. The goal is not to destroy Microsoft, the goal is to create a great desktop for everyone to enjoy, without any legal issues.
Please take your zealotry and stick it in a nice, tightly sealed jar. We do not need your kind to act as PR for the Open Source community.
Can't the government still just use any civilian software/patents/etc however they want? Have you guys seen the movie Armageddon? In Armageddon, the military steals Bruce Willis' drill designs, and they claim they did it legally.
No, and Armageddon was so completely bogus even mentioning it in a serious discussion can make your entire point moot:)
The government does not have the power to do what they want. This is why the government still buys Microsoft licenses, and all that.
The only exception I can thinkg of is if you've come up with something truly unique. And if it's that unique and dangerous, you shouldn't release the idea at all, because one way or another, someone powerful will get their hands on/mind around it and use it with or without your permission.
This goes into the "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should" philosophies. The important thing to realize is that even though you have thought of it, someone else may have as well. The permissions of it are exactly right, even if you release something and say "Iraq, Al Qaeda, etc. can't use it," what makes them keep their word? I think that would fall low on the list of things to go after.
Fortunately even if a source code is free i can add to the free license that the code mustnt be used in any military projects or projects related to non-civil actions at all. And i will do that from this point in time!
Now you taint the ability for Governments to switch to linux and escape the Microsoft licenses propogating less freedom in the world.
Congratulations on helping destroy the goal of Free software. I only hope no one uses your projects anyway. Open your eyes to the big picture.
Obviously, you have no claim as to what your software can and cannot be used for if you release it out into the world. Whether or not you believe the upcoming war with Iraq is justified or not, it doesn't stop the software they use from being used.
This is a completely moot issue, but it is good for discussion I suppose. The thing that should not be seen is exclusion clauses from the GPL and other open source licenses. I would hate to see "This software may not be used for military purposes" because that will lead down a path that is more counter-productive. Would you rather have the military and government using open source software or Microsoft?
Code audits are important when using software for military purposes, to ensure that everything is accurate. Whether it's personnel tracking, mission tracking, or simulation software, accuracy is important. Maybe my view is just tainted because I'm finding myself leaning more toward the pro-War campaign...
Well, yeah:) I didn't say I did anything *serious* on it, other than standard office type productivity. Seriously though, how much memory are you running? Also, try bumping up the compiler process priority to above normal. Should help a bit.
I do run Win2K and Office2k on an older machine...a P200 MMX with 128 MB ram and 2.1 GB disk. It runs fine. Take out even 16 meg of memory though, and forget it. I would try to run it with 256 meg of memory, but the board is so old it only supports 4 32MB simms. YMMV, though.
Win2K w/ Visual C++ 6.0 on a 300Mhz is unbearably slow. Compiles take too long, too much latency in doing almost anything. Running the setup now through a vmware VM on a 2Ghz Linux host and it is much more tolerable.
I've read a few of your posts. Ignoring everything else, you need some help. No, this is not sarcasm. No, I'm not kidding. Get some help. It's clear as day that someone played a ruinous role in your development, and you're living with the outcome. Your hostility towards victims marks you as a hidden victim.
While I appreciate your concern, you are very misguided in your assessment. It is not without merit, and I will definitely agree that from your point of view, it is correct. You just aren't reading the right posts.
I'll not take responsibility for someone else getting the shit beaten out of them because they couldn't deal with my personality, also, if it *had* been the other way around and I *did* get beaten down, you damn well bet I'd cry assault quick as lightning, under no circumstances will I take responsibility for the consequences of someone physically attacking me, except in the case that I physically attack them first (this has never and will never happen) end of story.
Course in literacy here, when I say that you have a personality issue that you need to take responsibility for, it has absolutely nothing to do with getting bullied. It has to do with you being different. Take responsibility for that. You are different. End of story. Forget the other shit that happens because you are different, take responsibility for being different.
For individuals that are supposed to contain the brighter side of society, you have a horrible time understand associative logic.
You are not a disinterested party in any event that happens to you.
No, he's trying to force me to act some *other* way and getting his ass kicked for doing it, what's your point? why should I change? why should I even care? As for the mugger I suppose you're trying to say by that you shouldn't walk down any streets because you might get mugged? That was just a nice shot out of the blue.
I'm starting to wonder if you are actually literate. Here's how it breaks down.
You are walking home from a bar, it's about 2am. You parked a bit of a walk, and turn down any offers for an escort because it's a rough neighborhood, but you have walked around down here a lot and have never had any problems. You know that this one particular street that is the fastest is also a popular hang out for thugs. You have walked down it in the past, but this time, they mug you.
It is not your fault that they mugged you. It is your fault that you walked down that street.
Now, to relate this back to schoolyard bullies. You act different, as you already said. You are taking a course of action that is well known to attract bullies. I hope I haven't lost you here. Now, it is not your fault that you got bullied. No one is blaming you. But what is your fault is acting differently. Whether or not that is a bad thing or not, it doesn't matter. What matters is, you acted differently, and it was your choice.
If you cannot grasp this simple concept, I feel very, very sorry for you.
You seem to be confusing taking responsibility with acknowledging. I'll acknowledge that the poor hapless souls who attempted to bully me probably did it because of a perceived slight, but I won't take *responsibility* (i.e. a share of the blame) for their perceptions. Noone should have to.
So basically you will not take responsibility for your personality?
Your honour, I killed him because he looked at me funny, can you knock me down a few years on that sentence?
Lets not confuse the issue here. The issue is a nerd getting pushed around and tripped. It's not about murder. It's about them being marked, and maliciously picked on. Big fucking deal. All these dumb ass kids need to get a little bit of perspective on life. Yes, at 12 I had much more perspective on life than how bad it was to get pushed down.
When I was young, I got bullied. It was because of two things. I was smart, very well known as the smartest kid in my school. There was actually a rather large event that surrounded this so it was hard not to know. Second, I didn't realize other kids weren't, so I didn't know it was bad to say, "Well, I aced the test and didn't study at all."
I take responsibility for my ignorance, and my personality. I was a magnet for ass-kickings. I say, "Because of the way that I acted, I marked myself as a target for bullying." It's not hard, you should try it sometime. Because you "acknowledge" your involvement, you should take responsibility in the aspects of your personality that caused you to be marked.
If you get mugged walking down a street, you don't say the mugger forced you to walk down that particular street do you? The bully isn't forcing you to act like a reclusive freak.
No, you remember I said exactly that I did nothing, I stayed away from all other children, and I didn't really have an opinion on their intelligence, I just flat out didn't want to know them. I also didn't end up with an ass beating, *they* did, so it wasn't really my problem in the end at all, they initiated it and I finished it, I held absolutely no responsibility for the event and that's the end of the story. Please direct healthcare costs to 127.0.0.1.
Why is it so hard for people to understand that staying away from other children, or people in general, isn't an action? That there is a reason why you do it, and it makes it difference. Everything you do or don't do is a choice and an action.
There is a reason why they pick you out. It's something you do/did. Whether it be ignore other children, or whatever, it's something you did that allowed them to single you out.
Involvement is in part responsibility, but not in the sense that it excuses the actions of the bully. People getting bullied never see their own involvement in it. End of story, you don't see it apparently, if you are grown up, you probably never will.
It's not clever to rub their noses in it, but to simply think it? Come on, a thought crime, you've got to see where that's fucked up.
As I've said before, thinking something will seep into your body language. For instance, why didn't you interact with other children? Name two reasons why you didn't, and I guarantee you that they seeped well into your behavior that someone outside would pick up on. Besides, any kid that can truly conceal what they are thinking from seeping into their actions would be amazingly popular anyway.
Understand, Involvement is not equal to justification for what happens, but you must take responsibility for your own involvement in any circumstance.
I also don't believe in your definition of provocation, you think that that "I hate niggers" definition is ok, but it's not. Noone has some innate moral right to smack you silly for pissing them off, they can ignore you of course and noone is worse for it, but beating it out of you is hardly justifiable.
All I am saying is that people need to accept involvement and responsibility for their part in the situation. I'm not saying that it's anybody elses fight, but a lot of these dumbass kids need to realize, "Maybe if I didn't think he was such a fucking idiot than maybe he wouldn't have beat my ass."
You can't change the other side, but you can change yourself, so why not do it and get a better response? I don't understand why everybody is so willing to pass the responsibility of taking care of themselves. No one told you that the world was fair, so don't expect it to be fair. There are people waiting to take advantage of you in the adult world, too. If you walk into a Used car dealer and sign whatever he puts in front of you, you don't get to cry foul and say that you were an innocent victim.
I'm saying that provokation, and inolvement is almost always there, and then after the impending ass-beating, saying "I did nothing!" is stupid. Stop being a whiney bitch. Accept that something you did ended you up with an ass beating. It doesn't mean it was right. It means something you did got you an ass kicking. Something you did.
It's funny, how easy it is to prove a point. You are so strongly pursuing your own decision on what I've already said, without actually reading the point I was making through this whole thread, by using you as an example.
You just showed yourself to be much more of a loser than ever, proudly proclaiming in a long-winded post about how wrong I am, and how all these children are so innocent, and free of involvement, then saying that you aren't going to respond to me. You have just bullied me on the internet, and you think that you can win.
You say you wont read this, but you know you are. You are reading this, and then you are going to pretend that you won the argument, and not post, but if you keep reading you'll figure out what's going on. You probably won't like it anyway, but you are too curious.
You don't understand that this wasn't an argument at all. In fact, I'm going to let you in on a little published secret, if you were only wise enough to dig up a little research on the person you were "arguing" with. I played you, kid. Every response in this thread is calculated and purposeful. Everything you have reacted to, and gotten angry with, was so that I can test new ways of saying things.
You were so caught up in bullshit points to even both to focus on yourself, and your thoughts betrayed you more than your words ever could in the subtleties that came forth in your writing. You see, there is a reason why kids get bullied, just as there is a reason why I picked you for this thread. You make it easy. What harm did I cause you, none. Sure, you got a little bit pissed, and ruffled up. Got your blood pressure pumping, but it doesn't matter. You heal, move on. Don't pretend like it was some traumatic thing you went through. As you said, yeah if my kid got bullied I would ask my kid why they gave in to the bully, and ask my kid the questions they needed to be asked so they can be better in their lives, not cater to the modern children-are-so-weak attitude. At 12 a childs mind is very capable of dealing with and understanding adult issues. What happens over the next years is called wisdom, which some get, and some don't -- but the understanding remains.
This is why you lost in this thread, because you failed to understand that everything you were saying was derived through a reaction I was deliberately provoking. Go read my journal, the latest entry is all about this thread. Even in the comments I reveal my psychological analysis technique, and why I do this. The simple fact is that if you knew me, you would know that not only am I an asshole, but I'm pissing you off on purpose. That's why I said it in the beginning, because if you knew me, you would know that my stance is something veiled under what I actually say.
Thank you for your participation, you will likely see me involved in many more threads, and I would appreciate you not revealing my motives in those threads, however it seldom changes the course of human interaction knowing the other person is attempting manipulative patterns to gain pre-defined responses. I was successful in turning you into a judgemental bully, and I can provide direct quotes from you that show exactly how bad it is, that you should revisit when the emotional bite of this thread has worn off. You will question why you wrote it, but don't feel bad about it, my theories have so far been very accurate.
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Ironic. You're the one wacked on Dayquil, and I'm the one that started this with a dumb post.
Well, in all actuality, the one who started this dumb post was some non-native speaker declaring his loathing for governmental use of his open source software.
This is probably one of the longest, least-substance filled, but fun threads I've ever been involved in. Yay for slow work days!
I got it, and I really wanted to use a smiley emoticon to show that I was trying to be funny, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it.
Ah, the plane flew right over my head, missing within inches. I'll use the fact I'm on drugs due to being really sick... yay for Dayquil!
I fail to see the destinction...
I was just saying most the people on Slashdot are fucktards who will never admit to being wrong.
Hey, I screwed up. That makes me human. I would be a fucktard, though, if I didn't apologize.
;-)
No, it would make you a Slashdot regular
I did read what you wrote, I just whiffed on the fact that you were quoting someone. My dumb error. I apologize.
*gasp* Oh holy hell, I did not just see this. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart. You have just taken a great step to proving the people on here were not all assholes. Again, thanks.
Posting anonymously as someone who writes code for military simulators: bullshit. Simulator code is as crap as code anywhere else, perhaps more so because the military change their mind so often about what it is they want.
Fine, I hope you still read this so we can continue. What simulator are you using for your aerodynamics? On standard Octanes you can create a 99.7% accurate aerodynamic model. From someone who has worked on a simulator for the government, I disagree with you. Maybe it's just your segment, and we didn't do it military but the military did have a lot of ties with our code. In the end we had an extremely accurate simulator. Maybe you just aren't using the right tools for the job.
But therein lies a real 'double edged sword', the great thing about the GPL/LGPL is that it doesn't have lots of different potentially incompatible licenses - so people can mix and match their software - libertarian code works with lefty code works with evil warmongering republican code.
:)
By omitting the ability for the military, and therein the government, to utilize your code you are causing more damage. The proprietary code is less easily auditable, thereby potentially more buggy causing more destruction. Also, what about the peace keeping portions of the military?
If you write something that can be used for military purposes, and forbid the government on your side from using it and gaining advantage, than what will stop the opposing force from using it without your consent? Fear of a lawsuit... don't think so
But on the flipside... man that's gotta hurt thinking that your Open Source could maybe have brought you that much money if you had sold it instead of gave it away.
Well, you'd have to have money to market it, plus the contacts to get it in the door, plus the money to lobby it as high level contracts go... generally only the big players get to play with the government.
So so very wrong the world is, isn't it?
Without a doubt...
Good idea, Einstein. I'm sure people like Saddam and Uday Hussain, Ferdinand Marcos, Idi Amin, and Pol Pot will abide by that.
Uhm, what's your point? Whether there are restrictions or not, they still use the software. I believe I made the point against the possibility of restrictions hurting legitimate and peaceful government operations... glad to see you are quick to flame without reading.
Unfortunately, the U.S. and other civilized nations would be the only ones that would suffer. Murderous regimes aren't noted for reading the GPL, let alone complying with it.
Wonderful. You are redundant.
Yea, its worth it if my software helps kill people so long as it hurts Microsoft. You realy need to figure out whos side your on, its us VS Microsoft, everything else is just collateral damage.
I'm an open source contributor, and I'm not against Microsoft. I run Linux, support GNU and the FSF, and have been involved in a few open source projects.
There is no war to be fought with Microsoft, and zealots are just here to hurt the progression of Linux to the desktop. The goal is not to destroy Microsoft, the goal is to create a great desktop for everyone to enjoy, without any legal issues.
Please take your zealotry and stick it in a nice, tightly sealed jar. We do not need your kind to act as PR for the Open Source community.
Can't the government still just use any civilian software/patents/etc however they want? Have you guys seen the movie Armageddon? In Armageddon, the military steals Bruce Willis' drill designs, and they claim they did it legally.
:)
No, and Armageddon was so completely bogus even mentioning it in a serious discussion can make your entire point moot
The government does not have the power to do what they want. This is why the government still buys Microsoft licenses, and all that.
The only exception I can thinkg of is if you've come up with something truly unique. And if it's that unique and dangerous, you shouldn't release the idea at all, because one way or another, someone powerful will get their hands on/mind around it and use it with or without your permission.
This goes into the "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should" philosophies. The important thing to realize is that even though you have thought of it, someone else may have as well. The permissions of it are exactly right, even if you release something and say "Iraq, Al Qaeda, etc. can't use it," what makes them keep their word? I think that would fall low on the list of things to go after.
Fortunately even if a source code is free i can add to the free license that the code mustnt be used in any military projects or projects related to non-civil actions at all. And i will do that from this point in time!
Now you taint the ability for Governments to switch to linux and escape the Microsoft licenses propogating less freedom in the world.
Congratulations on helping destroy the goal of Free software. I only hope no one uses your projects anyway. Open your eyes to the big picture.
Obviously, you have no claim as to what your software can and cannot be used for if you release it out into the world. Whether or not you believe the upcoming war with Iraq is justified or not, it doesn't stop the software they use from being used.
This is a completely moot issue, but it is good for discussion I suppose. The thing that should not be seen is exclusion clauses from the GPL and other open source licenses. I would hate to see "This software may not be used for military purposes" because that will lead down a path that is more counter-productive. Would you rather have the military and government using open source software or Microsoft?
Code audits are important when using software for military purposes, to ensure that everything is accurate. Whether it's personnel tracking, mission tracking, or simulation software, accuracy is important. Maybe my view is just tainted because I'm finding myself leaning more toward the pro-War campaign...
[AMD] Was recently considering leaving the CPU business altogether
Uh.. what? AMD can't leave the CPU business. That would leave them with.. Flash memory. We all know how much revenue that brings in for them.
You have any links to support this claim?
Well, yeah :) I didn't say I did anything *serious* on it, other than standard office type productivity. Seriously though, how much memory are you running? Also, try bumping up the compiler process priority to above normal. Should help a bit.
:)
It had 128MB. Past tense, it's been replaced
I do run Win2K and Office2k on an older machine...a P200 MMX with 128 MB ram and 2.1 GB disk. It runs fine. Take out even 16 meg of memory though, and forget it. I would try to run it with 256 meg of memory, but the board is so old it only supports 4 32MB simms. YMMV, though.
Win2K w/ Visual C++ 6.0 on a 300Mhz is unbearably slow. Compiles take too long, too much latency in doing almost anything. Running the setup now through a vmware VM on a 2Ghz Linux host and it is much more tolerable.
... at the speeds the pros race, sitting on another rider's wheel saves about 40% in power compared to riding into the wind.
I'm sure they don't appreciate you taking a rest on their wheels...
*sigh*, Yes, I can whip up that script for you == Programmer forced to learn how to write in Perl to maintain employment.
I've read a few of your posts. Ignoring everything else, you need some help. No, this is not sarcasm. No, I'm not kidding. Get some help. It's clear as day that someone played a ruinous role in your development, and you're living with the outcome. Your hostility towards victims marks you as a hidden victim.
While I appreciate your concern, you are very misguided in your assessment. It is not without merit, and I will definitely agree that from your point of view, it is correct. You just aren't reading the right posts.
I'll not take responsibility for someone else getting the shit beaten out of them because they couldn't deal with my personality, also, if it *had* been the other way around and I *did* get beaten down, you damn well bet I'd cry assault quick as lightning, under no circumstances will I take responsibility for the consequences of someone physically attacking me, except in the case that I physically attack them first (this has never and will never happen) end of story.
Course in literacy here, when I say that you have a personality issue that you need to take responsibility for, it has absolutely nothing to do with getting bullied. It has to do with you being different. Take responsibility for that. You are different. End of story. Forget the other shit that happens because you are different, take responsibility for being different.
For individuals that are supposed to contain the brighter side of society, you have a horrible time understand associative logic.
You are not a disinterested party in any event that happens to you.
No, he's trying to force me to act some *other* way and getting his ass kicked for doing it, what's your point? why should I change? why should I even care? As for the mugger I suppose you're trying to say by that you shouldn't walk down any streets because you might get mugged? That was just a nice shot out of the blue.
I'm starting to wonder if you are actually literate. Here's how it breaks down.
You are walking home from a bar, it's about 2am. You parked a bit of a walk, and turn down any offers for an escort because it's a rough neighborhood, but you have walked around down here a lot and have never had any problems. You know that this one particular street that is the fastest is also a popular hang out for thugs. You have walked down it in the past, but this time, they mug you.
It is not your fault that they mugged you.
It is your fault that you walked down that street.
Now, to relate this back to schoolyard bullies. You act different, as you already said. You are taking a course of action that is well known to attract bullies. I hope I haven't lost you here. Now, it is not your fault that you got bullied. No one is blaming you. But what is your fault is acting differently. Whether or not that is a bad thing or not, it doesn't matter. What matters is, you acted differently, and it was your choice.
If you cannot grasp this simple concept, I feel very, very sorry for you.
You seem to be confusing taking responsibility with acknowledging. I'll acknowledge that the poor hapless souls who attempted to bully me probably did it because of a perceived slight, but I won't take *responsibility* (i.e. a share of the blame) for their perceptions. Noone should have to.
So basically you will not take responsibility for your personality?
Your honour, I killed him because he looked at me funny, can you knock me down a few years on that sentence?
Lets not confuse the issue here. The issue is a nerd getting pushed around and tripped. It's not about murder. It's about them being marked, and maliciously picked on. Big fucking deal. All these dumb ass kids need to get a little bit of perspective on life. Yes, at 12 I had much more perspective on life than how bad it was to get pushed down.
When I was young, I got bullied. It was because of two things. I was smart, very well known as the smartest kid in my school. There was actually a rather large event that surrounded this so it was hard not to know. Second, I didn't realize other kids weren't, so I didn't know it was bad to say, "Well, I aced the test and didn't study at all."
I take responsibility for my ignorance, and my personality. I was a magnet for ass-kickings. I say, "Because of the way that I acted, I marked myself as a target for bullying." It's not hard, you should try it sometime. Because you "acknowledge" your involvement, you should take responsibility in the aspects of your personality that caused you to be marked.
If you get mugged walking down a street, you don't say the mugger forced you to walk down that particular street do you? The bully isn't forcing you to act like a reclusive freak.
No, you remember I said exactly that I did nothing, I stayed away from all other children, and I didn't really have an opinion on their intelligence, I just flat out didn't want to know them. I also didn't end up with an ass beating, *they* did, so it wasn't really my problem in the end at all, they initiated it and I finished it, I held absolutely no responsibility for the event and that's the end of the story. Please direct healthcare costs to 127.0.0.1.
Why is it so hard for people to understand that staying away from other children, or people in general, isn't an action? That there is a reason why you do it, and it makes it difference. Everything you do or don't do is a choice and an action.
There is a reason why they pick you out. It's something you do/did. Whether it be ignore other children, or whatever, it's something you did that allowed them to single you out.
Involvement is in part responsibility, but not in the sense that it excuses the actions of the bully. People getting bullied never see their own involvement in it. End of story, you don't see it apparently, if you are grown up, you probably never will.
It's not clever to rub their noses in it, but to simply think it? Come on, a thought crime, you've got to see where that's fucked up.
As I've said before, thinking something will seep into your body language. For instance, why didn't you interact with other children? Name two reasons why you didn't, and I guarantee you that they seeped well into your behavior that someone outside would pick up on. Besides, any kid that can truly conceal what they are thinking from seeping into their actions would be amazingly popular anyway.
Understand, Involvement is not equal to justification for what happens, but you must take responsibility for your own involvement in any circumstance.
I also don't believe in your definition of provocation, you think that that "I hate niggers" definition is ok, but it's not. Noone has some innate moral right to smack you silly for pissing them off, they can ignore you of course and noone is worse for it, but beating it out of you is hardly justifiable.
All I am saying is that people need to accept involvement and responsibility for their part in the situation. I'm not saying that it's anybody elses fight, but a lot of these dumbass kids need to realize, "Maybe if I didn't think he was such a fucking idiot than maybe he wouldn't have beat my ass."
You can't change the other side, but you can change yourself, so why not do it and get a better response? I don't understand why everybody is so willing to pass the responsibility of taking care of themselves. No one told you that the world was fair, so don't expect it to be fair. There are people waiting to take advantage of you in the adult world, too. If you walk into a Used car dealer and sign whatever he puts in front of you, you don't get to cry foul and say that you were an innocent victim.
I'm saying that provokation, and inolvement is almost always there, and then after the impending ass-beating, saying "I did nothing!" is stupid. Stop being a whiney bitch. Accept that something you did ended you up with an ass beating. It doesn't mean it was right. It means something you did got you an ass kicking. Something you did.
It's funny, how easy it is to prove a point. You are so strongly pursuing your own decision on what I've already said, without actually reading the point I was making through this whole thread, by using you as an example.
You just showed yourself to be much more of a loser than ever, proudly proclaiming in a long-winded post about how wrong I am, and how all these children are so innocent, and free of involvement, then saying that you aren't going to respond to me. You have just bullied me on the internet, and you think that you can win.
You say you wont read this, but you know you are. You are reading this, and then you are going to pretend that you won the argument, and not post, but if you keep reading you'll figure out what's going on. You probably won't like it anyway, but you are too curious.
You don't understand that this wasn't an argument at all. In fact, I'm going to let you in on a little published secret, if you were only wise enough to dig up a little research on the person you were "arguing" with. I played you, kid. Every response in this thread is calculated and purposeful. Everything you have reacted to, and gotten angry with, was so that I can test new ways of saying things.
You were so caught up in bullshit points to even both to focus on yourself, and your thoughts betrayed you more than your words ever could in the subtleties that came forth in your writing. You see, there is a reason why kids get bullied, just as there is a reason why I picked you for this thread. You make it easy. What harm did I cause you, none. Sure, you got a little bit pissed, and ruffled up. Got your blood pressure pumping, but it doesn't matter. You heal, move on. Don't pretend like it was some traumatic thing you went through. As you said, yeah if my kid got bullied I would ask my kid why they gave in to the bully, and ask my kid the questions they needed to be asked so they can be better in their lives, not cater to the modern children-are-so-weak attitude. At 12 a childs mind is very capable of dealing with and understanding adult issues. What happens over the next years is called wisdom, which some get, and some don't -- but the understanding remains.
This is why you lost in this thread, because you failed to understand that everything you were saying was derived through a reaction I was deliberately provoking. Go read my journal, the latest entry is all about this thread. Even in the comments I reveal my psychological analysis technique, and why I do this. The simple fact is that if you knew me, you would know that not only am I an asshole, but I'm pissing you off on purpose. That's why I said it in the beginning, because if you knew me, you would know that my stance is something veiled under what I actually say.
Thank you for your participation, you will likely see me involved in many more threads, and I would appreciate you not revealing my motives in those threads, however it seldom changes the course of human interaction knowing the other person is attempting manipulative patterns to gain pre-defined responses. I was successful in turning you into a judgemental bully, and I can provide direct quotes from you that show exactly how bad it is, that you should revisit when the emotional bite of this thread has worn off. You will question why you wrote it, but don't feel bad about it, my theories have so far been very accurate.