...Followed by only being willing to pay for Redhat because of Redhat's cashflow position is just about the *stupidist* thing I seen that wasn't meant to be a troll. Doesn't the intrinsic value of the software matter more than the company's financial status? Else, why aren't you using MS? Thats exactly like voting for the richest candidate.
Your stance really falls to make any sense though. You say that my purchasing opinions is stupid because... because what? I'll tell you why it's smart, at least from a business sense. First, I don't want to pay $60 for something when I can get it for free. If I pay $60, I want something, lets say technical support for a year. Now, companies goes under in 6 months. I paid $60 for 6 months, and lost $30. That doesn't make sense, now does it?
Now think of this in terms of everything and you'll understand why it's not stupid. Just put a business hat on. Dollars spent for dollars saved, not dollars spent to help support a little make-believe-company-on-the-brink-of-falling-over- because-my-ideological-beliefs-coinicde-with-their s.
I say its a donation because people are saying mandrake is a donation.
Well, with Red Hat you get real things. With Mandrake you get.. uhm.. access to a website.. that doesn't do anything, really. Corporate members get a coffee cup, and their logo displayed! My nipples are exploding with delight.
Companies don't pay for things that don't have a positive effect on their cash flow. If they spend $40, it's because it costs more than that to not spend it. That's how it works.
Mandrake doesn't give you anything like that. Red Hat however does. Your RHN subscription is much more robust, and time saving. You get premier FTP sites, that saves time and money....you are killing the whole open source economic model by stereotyping it.
What open source economic model? RH makes money through subscriptions of Advance Server. What other open source based company makes money? Uhm.. Uhm.. I can't really think of any. Keep in mind, I say company, not NPO.
Keep thinking, I'd love to hear of your economics. Red Hat stays afloat not because of open source economics, because they offer a service that saves companies money.
I see no reason to 'donate' to a corporation, but you use Mandrake for free, you like it, but you insist on not paying for their product that you use, then lambast them here because they want money from their users?
If everytime you downloaded Mozilla, they begged you for money, would you find it a bit silly? If they posted everywhere, "You guys need to give us money, because we aren't going to be around if you don't." wouldn't you get a bit annoyed? Probably not, because it's a bunch of volunteer developers, doing it in their free time.
Now, you have Mandrake. A freaking company that can't keep themselves afloat because they have no product or service to sell, and it's suddenly a tragedy to not buy from them? So what, it's open source, I don't give a damn. They're a company, I don't pay for the Gimp, yet I don't have to worry about that going under. If I'm going to spend money on a company I will make very sure that they know how to spend their money, and understand that I can easily grab debian or even Red Hat without being begged for money like some jackass on a freeway entrance.
If linux users weren't so cheap and they could get that up to 50% even then instead of using all of their energy to stay afloat they might be able to take some resources and try to make some inroads into territory currently held by MS. If you use a distro, pay for it-Mandrake, Redhat, Suse, whatever. I'll pay for a real company. Mandrake isn't a real company. It's a little pretend company that isn't going to be around in 2 years. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. When Red Hat has producs I want, I'll buy. And I have a SuSE Professional Box laying around somewhere...
Please tell me that you DO KNOW that you DON'T have to join the club to go download???
Thank you for your inconsistent use of capitalization and punctuation so I can rest assured that you just are completely and totally illiterate as to somehow get the idea that I did not know of this obvious bypass.
Was this just a way for you to attempt to spout your superior technical knowledge of how to click on links? I'll give you a hint, I ftp'd (by command line *oooohh*) to mirrors.secsup.org and did it all by hand. Aren't I a rebel...
If you feel that the Club is not worth the money, then that is your opinion. That does not negate the fact that it is a service.
Yes, the club is not worth the money because Mandrake has the financial sense of an autistic 11 year old hyped on crack. Their firewall server? Give me a break. Any company that begs for money shouldn't be a company, period. That is exactly what I said, right?
You are a troll for attacking Mandrake and spreading misinformation about them.
I'm not attacking Mandrake, and you are a troll for saying I did. What I'm saying is that likely my donation (That's what it is, Club Mandrake is not a service, it's a donation. Tell me what I get with my Club Mandrake subscription that is of value in a corporate environment.) doesn't do anything, because they'll shut down and it will be a bad investment. You get more service from joining "Club PA" than from Mandrake.
What Mandrake is asking is that you buy from them. Buy what? Tech support? Sorry, most companies don't deploy linux without experiences admins. Bad tangible good to provide. Oh, my very own local access to RPMS... er... wait, I can get that off the mirrors.
Mandrake is asking that you donate money, and they provide you with virtually nothing in return other than your name on a webpage and install screens.
Sunday, Sunday, Sunday! A deal so hot you can't afford not to BUY!. Or something.
As other posters noticed, you're free to leech on mandrake and using their products without giving anything in return, it's one of the beauty of freedom that it can be abused. but THEN, your complaints about mandrake unable to make money don't make sense, since you're part of the problem.
It really is simple, and I did explain this. First, I have no complaints about mandrake being unable to make money. Red Hat is able to get by without begging, so why not Mandrake? Because Mandrake is a child, following in the foot steps of a father (Red Hat). Not innovating, merely updating. I'd rather pay for innovation.
Now re-read you first post and you will notice that anyone reading it will deduce from it that you use mandrake and not red hat.
Except I believe Red Hat will still be around, and Mandrake to be a clone of Red Hat that just follows behind? Perhaps you should go re-read it. Another point that has caused some confusion is my apparent indifference as to what distribution I use. It does not matter what platform, as long as I can make it standard. Period. Now, the company that will get my money (and vote) is the one that is working towards unification. Red Hat comes out on top, regardless of peoples opinions of what they are unifying towards.
And you were moderated as insightfull!! Perhaps that moderated took time to read, and understand the conclusions I have without having me write it out in detail.
He's not being elitist (I assume) you mentioned you use mandrake but if it were to come to paying you'd pay for red hat. He doesn't understand why you'd do that.
Then why did he accuse me of trolling? My two preferences for Linux distros was listed above, and he said "Please don't tell me people like you actually exist" -- Maybe I did misinterpret, but that sounds pretty elitist ("Red Hat and Mandrake are for intro newbies, they aren't real distros" would not be an unexpected retort)
Why I would pay for Red Hat instead of Mandrake:
Mandrake will still be in financial problems. They don't know how to innovate.
Red Hat gives me a subscription, and up2date.
Red Hat usually offers a more stable distro than Mandrake
I've used Red Hat since 1995 or 1996, and have been very happy with it.
I have always had at least one box with Red Hat installed since I started. Mandrake, I've used 7 and 9. 7 sucked, 9 is better but the reason why my two primary machines are not running RH is because Mandrake 9 is adequate and I already took the time to configure how I like it. After that, I don't care if what it's running. Only updates and install is what I care about.
Redhat gives away the code and the OS. So you say you'd pay for a redhat subscription in one moment (a donation to redhat) then in the next sentence you dont donate money to for profit corps? Ah, but you contradict yourself. You say "pay for a redhat subscription" then say it's a donation? That is wrong, what I would be buying from redhat is a subscription. In no way is it a donation, because I am getting an actual service from them.
And no, I don't work for Red Hat. I find it funny that if you say you would pay for a commercial Linux distro that is making money, you are accused of either being a troll or working for red hat.
If Mandrake were to stay alive they should have beaten red hat to this sort of thing, and come out with some useful stuff, besides an installer that is needlessly graphical.
Mandrake never beats Red Hat to anything. Mandrake follows, and I bet that Mandrake 10 (if they are around) has a unified desktop. Mandrake has yet to innovate their way out of anything.
However, I would say that it is still the best intro Distro, and should be sold as such, maybe bundled with a computer?/I. Mandrake or Red Hat, yes. Not so much as an intro either, but as a standard "This Works" distro. I've had some issues with Mandrake (Just started using it) but Red Hat is great for "install it and it's standard" which is what people really need. Development departments and intro users don't want to worry about inconsistent settings.
...tell me you' re a troll, please. Please, don't let me know that people like you actually exists.
No, I'm not a troll. Here is why: I am a software engineer, not an admin. I do not want to admin my own system. I want it to work. If I could put up with the limited control of Windows I'd be there. If I felt it was right to buy over-priced hardware, I'd be on MacOS. My experience is completely in the unix arena, but I like things that work. I don't want to monkey-fuck around with my system.
I want a standard installation of gcc and the bundle, kde, qt, gtk, and all that. When I'm testing amongst my different machines I want them all standard. This goes down into the easiest distros to install and maintain a standard. Mandrake offers better update features than RedHat (at least without paying) but I like the RedHat install more.
I appreciate you thinking that you are an elitist because you think Mandrake and RedHat suck, because it actually fuels them to do better. Keep up the good work.
IMO, Mandrake is about to get thinned from the herd. And it'll be too bad, since they've provided a lot of leadership in terms of desktop Linux, but I think we're all a lot more realistic about business realities than we were a few years ago.
Damn straight. They follow too closely in the shadow of RedHat and have no way to break even, much less dream of a profit. So appeal to the community, again, and again. It annoys me that to download Mandrake they try to force you to join Club Mandrake.
If I want to join a club, it isn't going to be Mandrake. I use Mandrake, and I actually like it quite a bit. If I were to pay for anything it'd be RedHat though. A company that can at least give me a return on what I pay for. Someone else pointed out that they should go NPO or close the doors, and they were right. I'll donate to an NPO, I buy things from a company. What do I stand to gain from Mandrake by buying? Nothing. I can just as easily use Red Hat, Debian, Slackware, or even *BSD. I'm pretty sure a lot of the target market feels the same as me.
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Plus, just scaling the wings won't work. Any serious increase in the size of the wings will require you to increase the size of the motor, solenoid, dielectric fiber, or whatever is moving the wing.
In an unnamed project, we had the task of building a simulator (99.9% accurate, my what fun) for flight on mars. After building the system, when the plane reached 180 knots it would begin an oscillation pattern that would eventually drive it into the ground.
We got some aerospace engineers to take a look at the problem, and they started laughing and said that was normal because we were breaking the speed of sound at that altitude/speed.
Flying on mars is much different than flying on earth for a lot of things you wouldn't directly think about. But you are right, scaling wings wouldn't do anything right there. The best way to make a plane to fly on Mars is to look into glider dynamics.
Whether the defendant is a good guy or a bad guy should be irrelevant in any legal case in a civilized state. It shouldn't matter. It's just not relevant. Bring him to trial for infringement of the GPL instead, or for not being a good poster boy. It's still irrelevant to this case. You're not a good poster boy yourself for free software, and neither am I, Stalin, Hitler, GWB, Saddam Hussein or Mother Theresa. It's hardly illegal.
As I stated in my post, I fully agree with this. The case against him seems defunct anyway, as they are trying him for copyright infringement laws that don't apply to film. I don't expect to see him serve any time for this, assuming the defense adequately describes what he in fact did.
And by the way, Jon Johansen has [videolan.org] contributed to such players. (Just search for his last name on that page.) I didn't say he did, but the core of DeCSS he didn't write (as he claimed he did) -- I refuse to sit back while people tote him as the author of a well known software package that he stole from others (namely, the LiViD author, CSSAuth.c) so I post that he was not a saint.
I'm glad he did do this though, because he seems to be politically-minded enough to get a rally of support behind him, including the EFF so that he can walk away free.
The point is: the priciple of DeCSS is important to the developement of free DVD software. Without DeCSS, no libdvdcss: no xine, no MPlayer, no Ogle, no VideoLAN. We need to break the encryption to read DVD's. And we need the right to do so. Absolutely, I'm in full agreement. But Jon Johansen was not an intrinsic part of this process. His trial serves as a better asset, instead of his code. I believe it will be one more victory leading to our right.
DeCSS is, in theory, an excellent piece of coding. The problem, as is true with technologies along its lines, is that there is quite a bit of room for abuse.
Not the part Jon wrote. He violated the GPL by taking other peoples "excellent code" that was released GPL. Check the real history on it (In regards to LiViD) and understand that Jon was just trying to be greedy and stupid.
Granted, it's bunk he's on trial but he's not a saint. He also has posted rather inflammatory things about Linux (and totes FreeBSD) on mailing lists before he tried to harness the Linux communities support.
"The injustice! The horror! If only all progress would have stopped for a couple of decades, then (...?)". I can't complete this sentence. Anyone?... the (terrorists|MPAA|RIAA|Republicans|Democrats) have won!.
I'm saying that ricochet had a latencyof over 250ms which, while twice as fast as 3G, and apparently fast enough for terminal services, doesn't mean it's fast enough for other tasks.
I'll expand on his statements, I was a bay area ricochet user (Why do I suddenly feel like I'm in an intervention meeting) and depending upon the location ping times went from excellent to mediocre.
For example, Scruffy's in Sunnyvale would give you ping times 120ms consistently and well over the 128Kbps rate. My residence in San Jose had ping times ~300ms. Cupertino I'd notice in the 200ms - 400ms range (Britannia Arms/Rock Bottom). It all depends upon where you are at.
Sometimes Ricochet really kicked ass, if you knew where to access it.
Now I just realized that I only know Ricochet times from breweries and pubs... maybe it is an intervention.
You are telling me that he has an SR? And he's racing it? The SR is a new car as well, so unless you were racing him within the last 2 years, no, he was lying. I didn't realize they were actually selling the SRs now anyway. I don't keep up on Saleen.
Look at the history of Saleens, no 5.0 Saleen did that stock. The new Saleens (Since the S7) are complete re-works of the cars (ground up) intead of performance add-ons.
I'd still say he was lying out his ass saying he had a stock Saleen doing 11. I had a friend with an 1989 that was hitting around 14.
We need to get a legal clarification of Mono before any real development starts occuring. My guess is that it is stepping on a whole shitload of Microsoft patents, and it is the onus of the implementors (ie. Ximian) to make sure that they develop around those patents, or 1) be prepared to try to quash the patents or 2) pay whatever royalties Microsoft charges.
Go ahead, we have P2P and FreeNet.. you can't stop an open source development movement or charge money for royalties. You can maybe take care of the heads, assuming you have jurisdiction. I personally would find it amusing to watch Microsoft attempt to battle with a distributed enemy.
Beauty of open source: distributed in nature. Beauty of the internet: distributed in design.
Lets just setup freenet nodes for "rebel projects" and be content.
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...Followed by only being willing to pay for Redhat because of Redhat's cashflow position is just about the *stupidist* thing I seen that wasn't meant to be a troll. Doesn't the intrinsic value of the software matter more than the company's financial status? Else, why aren't you using MS? Thats exactly like voting for the richest candidate.
... because what? I'll tell you why it's smart, at least from a business sense. First, I don't want to pay $60 for something when I can get it for free. If I pay $60, I want something, lets say technical support for a year. Now, companies goes under in 6 months. I paid $60 for 6 months, and lost $30. That doesn't make sense, now does it?
- because-my-ideological-beliefs-coinicde-with-their s.
Your stance really falls to make any sense though. You say that my purchasing opinions is stupid because
Now think of this in terms of everything and you'll understand why it's not stupid. Just put a business hat on. Dollars spent for dollars saved, not dollars spent to help support a little make-believe-company-on-the-brink-of-falling-over
I say its a donation because people are saying mandrake is a donation.
...you are killing the whole open source economic model by stereotyping it.
Well, with Red Hat you get real things. With Mandrake you get.. uhm.. access to a website.. that doesn't do anything, really. Corporate members get a coffee cup, and their logo displayed! My nipples are exploding with delight.
Companies don't pay for things that don't have a positive effect on their cash flow. If they spend $40, it's because it costs more than that to not spend it. That's how it works.
Mandrake doesn't give you anything like that. Red Hat however does. Your RHN subscription is much more robust, and time saving. You get premier FTP sites, that saves time and money.
What open source economic model? RH makes money through subscriptions of Advance Server. What other open source based company makes money? Uhm.. Uhm.. I can't really think of any. Keep in mind, I say company, not NPO.
Keep thinking, I'd love to hear of your economics. Red Hat stays afloat not because of open source economics, because they offer a service that saves companies money.
I see no reason to 'donate' to a corporation, but you use Mandrake for free, you like it, but you insist on not paying for their product that you use, then lambast them here because they want money from their users?
If everytime you downloaded Mozilla, they begged you for money, would you find it a bit silly? If they posted everywhere, "You guys need to give us money, because we aren't going to be around if you don't." wouldn't you get a bit annoyed? Probably not, because it's a bunch of volunteer developers, doing it in their free time.
Now, you have Mandrake. A freaking company that can't keep themselves afloat because they have no product or service to sell, and it's suddenly a tragedy to not buy from them? So what, it's open source, I don't give a damn. They're a company, I don't pay for the Gimp, yet I don't have to worry about that going under. If I'm going to spend money on a company I will make very sure that they know how to spend their money, and understand that I can easily grab debian or even Red Hat without being begged for money like some jackass on a freeway entrance.
If linux users weren't so cheap and they could get that up to 50% even then instead of using all of their energy to stay afloat they might be able to take some resources and try to make some inroads into territory currently held by MS. If you use a distro, pay for it-Mandrake, Redhat, Suse, whatever.
I'll pay for a real company. Mandrake isn't a real company. It's a little pretend company that isn't going to be around in 2 years. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. When Red Hat has producs I want, I'll buy. And I have a SuSE Professional Box laying around somewhere...
Does that make you a bit more happy?
Please tell me that you DO KNOW that you DON'T have to join the club to go download???
Thank you for your inconsistent use of capitalization and punctuation so I can rest assured that you just are completely and totally illiterate as to somehow get the idea that I did not know of this obvious bypass.
Was this just a way for you to attempt to spout your superior technical knowledge of how to click on links? I'll give you a hint, I ftp'd (by command line *oooohh*) to mirrors.secsup.org and did it all by hand. Aren't I a rebel...
If you feel that the Club is not worth the money, then that is your opinion. That does not negate the fact that it is a service.
Yes, the club is not worth the money because Mandrake has the financial sense of an autistic 11 year old hyped on crack. Their firewall server? Give me a break. Any company that begs for money shouldn't be a company, period. That is exactly what I said, right?
You are a troll for attacking Mandrake and spreading misinformation about them.
I'm not attacking Mandrake, and you are a troll for saying I did. What I'm saying is that likely my donation (That's what it is, Club Mandrake is not a service, it's a donation. Tell me what I get with my Club Mandrake subscription that is of value in a corporate environment.) doesn't do anything, because they'll shut down and it will be a bad investment. You get more service from joining "Club PA" than from Mandrake.
What Mandrake is asking is that you buy from them.
Buy what? Tech support? Sorry, most companies don't deploy linux without experiences admins. Bad tangible good to provide. Oh, my very own local access to RPMS... er... wait, I can get that off the mirrors.
Mandrake is asking that you donate money, and they provide you with virtually nothing in return other than your name on a webpage and install screens.
Sunday, Sunday, Sunday! A deal so hot you can't afford not to BUY! . Or something.
As other posters noticed, you're free to leech on mandrake and using their products without giving anything in return, it's one of the beauty of freedom that it can be abused. but THEN, your complaints about mandrake unable to make money don't make sense, since you're part of the problem.
It really is simple, and I did explain this. First, I have no complaints about mandrake being unable to make money. Red Hat is able to get by without begging, so why not Mandrake? Because Mandrake is a child, following in the foot steps of a father (Red Hat). Not innovating, merely updating. I'd rather pay for innovation.
Now re-read you first post and you will notice that anyone reading it will deduce from it that you use mandrake and not red hat.
Except I believe Red Hat will still be around, and Mandrake to be a clone of Red Hat that just follows behind? Perhaps you should go re-read it. Another point that has caused some confusion is my apparent indifference as to what distribution I use. It does not matter what platform, as long as I can make it standard. Period. Now, the company that will get my money (and vote) is the one that is working towards unification. Red Hat comes out on top, regardless of peoples opinions of what they are unifying towards.
And you were moderated as insightfull!!
Perhaps that moderated took time to read, and understand the conclusions I have without having me write it out in detail.
Then why did he accuse me of trolling? My two preferences for Linux distros was listed above, and he said "Please don't tell me people like you actually exist" -- Maybe I did misinterpret, but that sounds pretty elitist ("Red Hat and Mandrake are for intro newbies, they aren't real distros" would not be an unexpected retort)
Why I would pay for Red Hat instead of Mandrake:
I have always had at least one box with Red Hat installed since I started. Mandrake, I've used 7 and 9. 7 sucked, 9 is better but the reason why my two primary machines are not running RH is because Mandrake 9 is adequate and I already took the time to configure how I like it. After that, I don't care if what it's running. Only updates and install is what I care about.
Redhat gives away the code and the OS. So you say you'd pay for a redhat subscription in one moment (a donation to redhat) then in the next sentence you dont donate money to for profit corps?
Ah, but you contradict yourself. You say "pay for a redhat subscription" then say it's a donation? That is wrong, what I would be buying from redhat is a subscription. In no way is it a donation, because I am getting an actual service from them.
And no, I don't work for Red Hat. I find it funny that if you say you would pay for a commercial Linux distro that is making money, you are accused of either being a troll or working for red hat.
If Mandrake were to stay alive they should have beaten red hat to this sort of thing, and come out with some useful stuff, besides an installer that is needlessly graphical.
Mandrake never beats Red Hat to anything. Mandrake follows, and I bet that Mandrake 10 (if they are around) has a unified desktop. Mandrake has yet to innovate their way out of anything.
However, I would say that it is still the best intro Distro, and should be sold as such, maybe bundled with a computer?/I.
Mandrake or Red Hat, yes. Not so much as an intro either, but as a standard "This Works" distro. I've had some issues with Mandrake (Just started using it) but Red Hat is great for "install it and it's standard" which is what people really need. Development departments and intro users don't want to worry about inconsistent settings.
...tell me you' re a troll, please. Please, don't let me know that people like you actually exists.
No, I'm not a troll. Here is why: I am a software engineer, not an admin. I do not want to admin my own system. I want it to work. If I could put up with the limited control of Windows I'd be there. If I felt it was right to buy over-priced hardware, I'd be on MacOS. My experience is completely in the unix arena, but I like things that work. I don't want to monkey-fuck around with my system.
I want a standard installation of gcc and the bundle, kde, qt, gtk, and all that. When I'm testing amongst my different machines I want them all standard. This goes down into the easiest distros to install and maintain a standard. Mandrake offers better update features than RedHat (at least without paying) but I like the RedHat install more.
I appreciate you thinking that you are an elitist because you think Mandrake and RedHat suck, because it actually fuels them to do better. Keep up the good work.
IMO, Mandrake is about to get thinned from the herd. And it'll be too bad, since they've provided a lot of leadership in terms of desktop Linux, but I think we're all a lot more realistic about business realities than we were a few years ago.
Damn straight. They follow too closely in the shadow of RedHat and have no way to break even, much less dream of a profit. So appeal to the community, again, and again. It annoys me that to download Mandrake they try to force you to join Club Mandrake.
If I want to join a club, it isn't going to be Mandrake. I use Mandrake, and I actually like it quite a bit. If I were to pay for anything it'd be RedHat though. A company that can at least give me a return on what I pay for. Someone else pointed out that they should go NPO or close the doors, and they were right. I'll donate to an NPO, I buy things from a company. What do I stand to gain from Mandrake by buying? Nothing. I can just as easily use Red Hat, Debian, Slackware, or even *BSD. I'm pretty sure a lot of the target market feels the same as me.
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Plus, just scaling the wings won't work. Any serious increase in the size of the wings will require you to increase the size of the motor, solenoid, dielectric fiber, or whatever is moving the wing.
In an unnamed project, we had the task of building a simulator (99.9% accurate, my what fun) for flight on mars. After building the system, when the plane reached 180 knots it would begin an oscillation pattern that would eventually drive it into the ground.
We got some aerospace engineers to take a look at the problem, and they started laughing and said that was normal because we were breaking the speed of sound at that altitude/speed.
Flying on mars is much different than flying on earth for a lot of things you wouldn't directly think about. But you are right, scaling wings wouldn't do anything right there. The best way to make a plane to fly on Mars is to look into glider dynamics.
Whether the defendant is a good guy or a bad guy should be irrelevant in any legal case in a civilized state. It shouldn't matter. It's just not relevant. Bring him to trial for infringement of the GPL instead, or for not being a good poster boy. It's still irrelevant to this case. You're not a good poster boy yourself for free software, and neither am I, Stalin, Hitler, GWB, Saddam Hussein or Mother Theresa. It's hardly illegal.
As I stated in my post, I fully agree with this. The case against him seems defunct anyway, as they are trying him for copyright infringement laws that don't apply to film. I don't expect to see him serve any time for this, assuming the defense adequately describes what he in fact did.
And by the way, Jon Johansen has [videolan.org] contributed to such players. (Just search for his last name on that page.)
I didn't say he did, but the core of DeCSS he didn't write (as he claimed he did) -- I refuse to sit back while people tote him as the author of a well known software package that he stole from others (namely, the LiViD author, CSSAuth.c) so I post that he was not a saint.
I'm glad he did do this though, because he seems to be politically-minded enough to get a rally of support behind him, including the EFF so that he can walk away free.
The point is: the priciple of DeCSS is important to the developement of free DVD software. Without DeCSS, no libdvdcss: no xine, no MPlayer, no Ogle, no VideoLAN. We need to break the encryption to read DVD's. And we need the right to do so.
Absolutely, I'm in full agreement. But Jon Johansen was not an intrinsic part of this process. His trial serves as a better asset, instead of his code. I believe it will be one more victory leading to our right.
DeCSS is, in theory, an excellent piece of coding. The problem, as is true with technologies along its lines, is that there is quite a bit of room for abuse.
Not the part Jon wrote. He violated the GPL by taking other peoples "excellent code" that was released GPL. Check the real history on it (In regards to LiViD) and understand that Jon was just trying to be greedy and stupid.
Granted, it's bunk he's on trial but he's not a saint. He also has posted rather inflammatory things about Linux (and totes FreeBSD) on mailing lists before he tried to harness the Linux communities support.
Anybody else find that a bit strange, I'd prefer it to show all of my contacts and appointments.
Preview is your friend.
"The injustice! The horror! If only all progress would have stopped for a couple of decades, then (...?)". I can't complete this sentence. Anyone? ... the (terrorists|MPAA|RIAA|Republicans|Democrats) have won!.
Good enough?
I'm saying that ricochet had a latencyof over 250ms which, while twice as fast as 3G, and apparently fast enough for terminal services, doesn't mean it's fast enough for other tasks.
I'll expand on his statements, I was a bay area ricochet user (Why do I suddenly feel like I'm in an intervention meeting) and depending upon the location ping times went from excellent to mediocre.
For example, Scruffy's in Sunnyvale would give you ping times 120ms consistently and well over the 128Kbps rate. My residence in San Jose had ping times ~300ms. Cupertino I'd notice in the 200ms - 400ms range (Britannia Arms/Rock Bottom). It all depends upon where you are at.
Sometimes Ricochet really kicked ass, if you knew where to access it.
Now I just realized that I only know Ricochet times from breweries and pubs... maybe it is an intervention.
Dude read the post, I conceded he wasnt in an SR, jesus talk about jumping the fucking gun
I did, my aplogies. My mind just skipped right over that sentence.
Damn, I missed the first sentence "This wasn't what he was driving.." so just ignore me. Long day, literacy failing.
I keep saying "mustange" so I think I should just refrain from literary activities today.
http://www.saleen.com/auto/SR/srperformance.html
You are telling me that he has an SR? And he's racing it? The SR is a new car as well, so unless you were racing him within the last 2 years, no, he was lying. I didn't realize they were actually selling the SRs now anyway. I don't keep up on Saleen.
Look at the history of Saleens, no 5.0 Saleen did that stock. The new Saleens (Since the S7) are complete re-works of the cars (ground up) intead of performance add-ons.
I'd still say he was lying out his ass saying he had a stock Saleen doing 11. I had a friend with an 1989 that was hitting around 14.
well he claimed it was stock, i'd like to see your evidence that no Saleen ever has stock, that sounds false to me.
Here's some evidence you can verify, aside from looking at the history of V8 Saleens.
Rosch Stage 3 ($50K) Mustange doesn't do 1/4 in 12.
I used to race against a guy with an old 5.0 Saleen, he made the quarter mile in 11 seconds, with the car stock.
Bunk alert. No Saleen has ever done a quarter mile in 11 seconds stock. Ever.
The closest would be the Mustang Cobra R doing 12.8 with 385hp. That had a Lincoln Navigator 5.4L V8 in it.
We need to get a legal clarification of Mono before any real development starts occuring. My guess is that it is stepping on a whole shitload of Microsoft patents, and it is the onus of the implementors (ie. Ximian) to make sure that they develop around those patents, or 1) be prepared to try to quash the patents or 2) pay whatever royalties Microsoft charges.
Go ahead, we have P2P and FreeNet.. you can't stop an open source development movement or charge money for royalties. You can maybe take care of the heads, assuming you have jurisdiction. I personally would find it amusing to watch Microsoft attempt to battle with a distributed enemy.
Beauty of open source: distributed in nature.
Beauty of the internet: distributed in design.
Lets just setup freenet nodes for "rebel projects" and be content.