You're absolutely right. I'm going to print out your post and put it between my lifetime supply of Zima and New Coke. And then I'm going to go out, climb into my Edsel, and drive to a local theater showing Waterworld in amazing 3D! And then I'm going to wake up and realize that mass america isn't *quite* the brainless sheep that you assume they are. If the value isn't there, it flops. If all it took was money and marketing, you would be using MSBob right now....
Um, so? My post was specifically referencing how bad the linux port is. If the original poster is going to port to linux at all, he should stay away from Roguewave products. If not, have fun. As to the.h++->SourcePro migration, I was simply repeating what my sales rep told me. If they were wrong, well, they were the ones that lost the sale....
But my main problem is the complete lack of real linux support. If they had been willing to even entertain the thought of supporting other platforms than redhat7.1, we might have stayed with them. As is, we don't want to be locked into one specific platform, just to have some nice string libraries (we no longer use them for much else).
We have used.h++ for years around here for our main inhouse app. We decided just yesterday to remove all remaining dependencies and go to straight stl. Why? Because.h++ is not source-code compatabile with SourcePro, they provide no migration path, or even a "porting howto" (all according to our account rep). So we are faced with either spending the time and energy porting from.h++ to SourcePro, or spending the exact same amount of time and energy porting to the stl, with the side benefit of making our app linux compatable.
Which reminds me, their linux port *SUCKS*. The latest and greatest.h++ will run on Redhat6.2, with gcc 2.95.2, the stock kernel, and *thats* *it* (not even perfectly, there are serious bugs). Any other platform (we've tried mandrake 7.2,8.0,8.1;debian2.1,2.2;redhat 7.0,7.2) will segfault/core dump. Their next release, due January, will run on redhat 7.1. I have no doubt that it will fail to run on anything else. So it really falls down wrt cross-platform compatability.
So, to summarize, if you happen to be running one of the "tier-one" plarforms, their libs are pretty decent. Anything else, even if it's listed as "compatable", and you'll be screwed.
(as a quick example of what I'm talking about, our app has different defaults depending on what it was called as, tc vs. frpt vs. etc, and it does a simple check of ARGV[0] to see if it.contains the various names. It doesn't work on linux. Flat-out returns the wrong value. And that's on redhat6.2. Any attempt to use their string class will immediately seg-fault. I'm seriously disappointed, in case you couldn't tell.)
Though I didn't see that exact quote in the story the other poster refered to, it was probably the source of inspiration. I just copied the.sig from someone else... Great quote, eh?:-)
Bind may be vulnerable to security exploits! Sendmail may *not* be as secure as qmail! Walking through harlem with $100 bills hanging out of your pockets isn't smart! Sky is blue!
I just can't get over the interface. Yes, yes, I know, it's "intuitive" (read: familiar to people who've used Outlook), it's just doesn't match the way I work. As a long-time hater of the KDE 1.x line (ugly, windows-based crap) I never thought there would come the day that I would drop Gnome and/or E in favor of KDE, but that day has come (and gone, I switched over 6 months ago). KMail is the only mail client I've used in linux that approaches Eudora in ease of use *and* features. Ingo, Marc, and Michael have crafted a nice, stable, mail client. Evolution would do well to get to the same level.
That said, GO GNOME! If they can win me back on technical merits, rock on. I've tried evolution a few times in the past, and (like moz) people keep saying "try the latest nightlies! they are *so* much better!". Well, when they do reach 1.0, I'll try them again. Never let it be said I'm not open minded *grin*.
or have there been a lot of stories lately about rocks hitting the earth. Coincidence? I think not. The/. editors are in league with the government to help make the populace cower in fear, increasing the amount of control they have over us. Well I for one am going to fight back! Write your representative at the MPAA and fight to make Bruce Willis president. Only then can we know that we are safe.
Sigh... If only I looked as good as Mel Gibson did, maybe *I* would get paid millions of dollars to say crap like that....
would be reading/. headlines. I mean, text-to-speech is great, but can it spell-check at the same time?
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If you aren't the same guy who "caught" the grammer, thank you. I was beginning to think that nobody could read anymore....
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*Thank* you... I was thinking nobody had noticed that.... I left a few others in there as well.
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Search for ps2pdf, espitopdf, db2pdf, dvi2pdf, html2pdf, a2pdf, even pdf2pdf (for different versions). All free software, or it wouldn't be on my debian box:-)
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"Disclaimer: I don't care if you don't find my grammar/spelling appropriate. Honestly, that's the best I can do. I bet you don't speak Greek at all.;-)"
For those of you who don't normally read osnews and Eugenia's reviews, she continually gets crap over her spelling and grammer. Specifically, she gets a lot more whenever they are linked by/. so I'm going to go out on a limb and say its generally/.'ers that are dishing the crap. Well, stop it. I hate to pull out the "you're representing all of us" routine, but its true. Everytime I read an article describing the slavering hordes of fanatical and rude linux users out there, I cringe, knowing that it is almost all directly traceable back to this website. And no, I'm not saying it is CmdrTaco's fault, if it wasn't/., it would be somewhere else. But come on, if you don't have anything nice to say.....
*off soapbox*
*ontopic*
I really liked Gobe Productive when I used BeOS. I even bought a copy. However, I wish they had decided to use qt instead of gtk... It just mesh better with the rest of my desktop. Oh, well.
Slashdot put an space in the url. Either remove it or click on the link the other ac provided. And who the hell moderated this a flamebait? Maybe some of my other posts, but not that one....
Lets dissect this. Where did his polital views come into play? In the *changelog*. Not the code. Was it irrelevant (i.e., was he refusing to put in an OOM-killer because of pro-life views)? No, it was an extrapolation of how the law is currently written and was directly related to the topic at hand (security). As for his "ravings", iirc that was on the mailing lists and if you don't want people to express their opinions *there*.... Lets just say it ain't gonna happen.
My level of respect for him has gone neither up nor down. I don't see how this was abuse of power any more than Linus saying that clubbing seals is wrong.
Ah. My troll detector should have gone off, but unfortunetly, I didn't bother looking at your other posts until after hitting submit. For those of you who also thought a sub-100 UID wouldn't be trolling, read the following comment.
"Personal" agenda? If you call "the rights of all americans and people who interact with americans" personal, the yes, I guess that description fits. However, unless you think *any* use of "power" to further the common good is "conflict of interest" and "abuse of... position", I hardly think you have a case. I do think you are mistaking someone using their "power" for evil with someone using their power for good.
Basically, get off your high horse and let the man fight the good fight....
You are a poor, sad little man. Unable to even come up with a handle like "SpeelingNazi", you are obviously the type of person that uses big words just because you can. Well, here in the real world, we use language to communicate, not show off. This writeup had all the hallmarks of a sophomore english major who still equates word count with quality, and adjectives with content. Did I understand all the words he used? Yes. Were they all necessary? No. Did they contribute to the review? Not really. Was I deep-down concerned about it? No, it was barely worth a funny post. However, and I know nothing about JT Martin, if he wants to write real reviews for real newsmedia, he would be well advised to tone down the hyperbole.
Oh, and I suspect that *you* are JT Martin, but as I don't know I won't accuse him. If you are, then my other word of advice is to not take criticism personally. My little joke is nothing compared to what a professional editor would do to you.
Spelling mistakes left in to piss you off. And btw, I graduminated frum colege, two. So there:-)
"Exuberant, weird, metaphysical, astounding, thrilling are all words that apply.... perplexes and confounds you with the barrage of bizarre ideas he weaves into these stories... bellows straight from his subconscious pool of theoretical thought, winging it with gusto and joy... existential pieces about robot consciousness... in a melodramatic and exuberant manner"
Okay, we have two equally plausible scenarios. 1) JT Martin is a big fan of writers like Moorcock and Lovecraft, so he is conciously copying their overexcessive verbage and flagrant writing style or 2) he just bought a thesaurus.
This is the funniest thing I've seen all day, second only to the actual interview. Way to karma-whore with links, *but not even provide the links*... Proving yet again that moderators don't actually read the comment...
Um, points for not having even read the *summary*?!??!! I mean, I'm used to people not reading the article, this is slashdot, but to miss the title of the article and the summary is probably some sort of record. To summarize the summary:
BlueOS is implenting the app_server *on* *linux*. As in, within linux, you will be able to run beos programs. I can't think of any other way to make it simpler, so I'll leave it at that.
And if I seem cranky, it's because I am. Stupid headache.....
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You're absolutely right. I'm going to print out your post and put it between my lifetime supply of Zima and New Coke. And then I'm going to go out, climb into my Edsel, and drive to a local theater showing Waterworld in amazing 3D! And then I'm going to wake up and realize that mass america isn't *quite* the brainless sheep that you assume they are. If the value isn't there, it flops. If all it took was money and marketing, you would be using MSBob right now....
Um, so? My post was specifically referencing how bad the linux port is. If the original poster is going to port to linux at all, he should stay away from Roguewave products. If not, have fun. As to the .h++->SourcePro migration, I was simply repeating what my sales rep told me. If they were wrong, well, they were the ones that lost the sale....
But my main problem is the complete lack of real linux support. If they had been willing to even entertain the thought of supporting other platforms than redhat7.1, we might have stayed with them. As is, we don't want to be locked into one specific platform, just to have some nice string libraries (we no longer use them for much else).
We have used .h++ for years around here for our main inhouse app. We decided just yesterday to remove all remaining dependencies and go to straight stl. Why? Because .h++ is not source-code compatabile with SourcePro, they provide no migration path, or even a "porting howto" (all according to our account rep). So we are faced with either spending the time and energy porting from .h++ to SourcePro, or spending the exact same amount of time and energy porting to the stl, with the side benefit of making our app linux compatable.
.h++ will run on Redhat6.2, with gcc 2.95.2, the stock kernel, and *thats* *it* (not even perfectly, there are serious bugs). Any other platform (we've tried mandrake 7.2,8.0,8.1;debian2.1,2.2;redhat 7.0,7.2) will segfault/core dump. Their next release, due January, will run on redhat 7.1. I have no doubt that it will fail to run on anything else. So it really falls down wrt cross-platform compatability.
.contains the various names. It doesn't work on linux. Flat-out returns the wrong value. And that's on redhat6.2. Any attempt to use their string class will immediately seg-fault. I'm seriously disappointed, in case you couldn't tell.)
Which reminds me, their linux port *SUCKS*. The latest and greatest
So, to summarize, if you happen to be running one of the "tier-one" plarforms, their libs are pretty decent. Anything else, even if it's listed as "compatable", and you'll be screwed.
(as a quick example of what I'm talking about, our app has different defaults depending on what it was called as, tc vs. frpt vs. etc, and it does a simple check of ARGV[0] to see if it
Though I didn't see that exact quote in the story the other poster refered to, it was probably the source of inspiration. I just copied the .sig from someone else... Great quote, eh? :-)
Bind may be vulnerable to security exploits! Sendmail may *not* be as secure as qmail! Walking through harlem with $100 bills hanging out of your pockets isn't smart! Sky is blue!
Some people just never get the news....
is it frees up a *ton* of time for doing other things.....
/. interviews.
Like writing thesi^H^H^H^H^Hreplies to
1) Repeat 10 times a day: "this change should not affect end users.
2) Type 20 times a day: "rm -fR ~user"
3) 10 reps: "what did *you* do to screw this up?"
4) Stop showering. Now.
5) Smash your pager, claim it was "killed in the line of duty".
6) Pick any given operating system, and develop an intense hatred for it. You will work with this os for the rest of your life.
7) rinse, repeat.
I have no clue. I didn't expect to get modd'ed to *3*, let alone 5. I guess you just can't out-guess the moderators....
I just can't get over the interface. Yes, yes, I know, it's "intuitive" (read: familiar to people who've used Outlook), it's just doesn't match the way I work. As a long-time hater of the KDE 1.x line (ugly, windows-based crap) I never thought there would come the day that I would drop Gnome and/or E in favor of KDE, but that day has come (and gone, I switched over 6 months ago). KMail is the only mail client I've used in linux that approaches Eudora in ease of use *and* features. Ingo, Marc, and Michael have crafted a nice, stable, mail client. Evolution would do well to get to the same level.
That said, GO GNOME! If they can win me back on technical merits, rock on. I've tried evolution a few times in the past, and (like moz) people keep saying "try the latest nightlies! they are *so* much better!". Well, when they do reach 1.0, I'll try them again. Never let it be said I'm not open minded *grin*.
they are also writing their tcp packets on clay tablets, and attempting to send them down the wire. That was the quickest /.'ing I've *ever* seen.
or have there been a lot of stories lately about rocks hitting the earth. Coincidence? I think not. The /. editors are in league with the government to help make the populace cower in fear, increasing the amount of control they have over us. Well I for one am going to fight back! Write your representative at the MPAA and fight to make Bruce Willis president. Only then can we know that we are safe.
Sigh... If only I looked as good as Mel Gibson did, maybe *I* would get paid millions of dollars to say crap like that....
would be reading /. headlines. I mean, text-to-speech is great, but can it spell-check at the same time?
If you aren't the same guy who "caught" the grammer, thank you. I was beginning to think that nobody could read anymore....
*Thank* you... I was thinking nobody had noticed that.... I left a few others in there as well.
Search for ps2pdf, espitopdf, db2pdf, dvi2pdf, html2pdf, a2pdf, even pdf2pdf (for different versions). All free software, or it wouldn't be on my debian box :-)
"Disclaimer: I don't care if you don't find my grammar/spelling appropriate. Honestly, that's the best I can do. I bet you don't speak Greek at all. ;-)"
/. so I'm going to go out on a limb and say its generally /.'ers that are dishing the crap. Well, stop it. I hate to pull out the "you're representing all of us" routine, but its true. Everytime I read an article describing the slavering hordes of fanatical and rude linux users out there, I cringe, knowing that it is almost all directly traceable back to this website. And no, I'm not saying it is CmdrTaco's fault, if it wasn't /., it would be somewhere else. But come on, if you don't have anything nice to say.....
For those of you who don't normally read osnews and Eugenia's reviews, she continually gets crap over her spelling and grammer. Specifically, she gets a lot more whenever they are linked by
*off soapbox*
*ontopic*
I really liked Gobe Productive when I used BeOS. I even bought a copy. However, I wish they had decided to use qt instead of gtk... It just mesh better with the rest of my desktop. Oh, well.
Slashdot put an space in the url. Either remove it or click on the link the other ac provided. And who the hell moderated this a flamebait? Maybe some of my other posts, but not that one....
Lets dissect this. Where did his polital views come into play? In the *changelog*. Not the code. Was it irrelevant (i.e., was he refusing to put in an OOM-killer because of pro-life views)? No, it was an extrapolation of how the law is currently written and was directly related to the topic at hand (security). As for his "ravings", iirc that was on the mailing lists and if you don't want people to express their opinions *there*.... Lets just say it ain't gonna happen.
My level of respect for him has gone neither up nor down. I don't see how this was abuse of power any more than Linus saying that clubbing seals is wrong.
Ah. My troll detector should have gone off, but unfortunetly, I didn't bother looking at your other posts until after hitting submit. For those of you who also thought a sub-100 UID wouldn't be trolling, read the following comment.
4 87 103
/. anyways.....
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=23078&cid=2
You'll have to c&p 'cuz I'm lazy and long urls never work with
"Personal" agenda? If you call "the rights of all americans and people who interact with americans" personal, the yes, I guess that description fits. However, unless you think *any* use of "power" to further the common good is "conflict of interest" and "abuse of ... position", I hardly think you have a case. I do think you are mistaking someone using their "power" for evil with someone using their power for good.
Basically, get off your high horse and let the man fight the good fight....
You are a poor, sad little man. Unable to even come up with a handle like "SpeelingNazi", you are obviously the type of person that uses big words just because you can. Well, here in the real world, we use language to communicate, not show off. This writeup had all the hallmarks of a sophomore english major who still equates word count with quality, and adjectives with content. Did I understand all the words he used? Yes. Were they all necessary? No. Did they contribute to the review? Not really. Was I deep-down concerned about it? No, it was barely worth a funny post. However, and I know nothing about JT Martin, if he wants to write real reviews for real newsmedia, he would be well advised to tone down the hyperbole.
:-)
Oh, and I suspect that *you* are JT Martin, but as I don't know I won't accuse him. If you are, then my other word of advice is to not take criticism personally. My little joke is nothing compared to what a professional editor would do to you.
Spelling mistakes left in to piss you off. And btw, I graduminated frum colege, two. So there
"Exuberant, weird, metaphysical, astounding, thrilling are all words that apply. ... perplexes and confounds you with the barrage of bizarre ideas he weaves into these stories ... bellows straight from his subconscious pool of theoretical thought, winging it with gusto and joy ... existential pieces about robot consciousness ... in a melodramatic and exuberant manner"
Okay, we have two equally plausible scenarios. 1) JT Martin is a big fan of writers like Moorcock and Lovecraft, so he is conciously copying their overexcessive verbage and flagrant writing style or 2) he just bought a thesaurus.
You be the judge.....
This is the funniest thing I've seen all day, second only to the actual interview. Way to karma-whore with links, *but not even provide the links*... Proving yet again that moderators don't actually read the comment...
Sheesh....
Um, points for not having even read the *summary*?!??!! I mean, I'm used to people not reading the article, this is slashdot, but to miss the title of the article and the summary is probably some sort of record. To summarize the summary:
BlueOS is implenting the app_server *on* *linux*. As in, within linux, you will be able to run beos programs. I can't think of any other way to make it simpler, so I'll leave it at that.
And if I seem cranky, it's because I am. Stupid headache.....
One is tempted to make the correlation:
:-) But ya gotta know what to pull the life support....
Amiga == OS2 == BeOS.
All ahead of their time technologically. All killed by stupid managment decisions. All still have freaks that refuse to acknowledge their death.
Oh, and I've used and loved all three