Chairman Greenspan has gone on record saying that he would rather see the surplus returned to taxpayers than spent on new government programs like Al Gore proposes.
Greenspan has requested the complete OPPOSITE of tax cuts using this surplus. What he suggested was that the Govt. hold this money to be used on programs when the economy is not as strong as it is now. Bush is blatently wrong with the statement that Greenspan thinks he need tax cuts. Whether this is a misunderstanding, or an attempt to misquote, I don't know. Either way, he is VERY wrong.
This is true, however he was picking up the murder weapon, checking its caliber, etc. He had knowledge of where it was, regardless of how he figured this out. It looks suspicious, and the FBI acted accordingly. I would expect nothing but that from them. The kid made himself a suspect. Further more, he put himself at risk of taking the blame for something that he claims he did not do. He's just plain stupid to do that.
Believe me, this is not the first time something like this has happenned. Thats one of the biggest faults in this moderation system... that you can get moderated negatively for having an opposing opinnion. Unfortunately its a problem not easily fixed.
I've had probably half a dozen posts teeder-todder between flamebait and insightful, and unfortunately the flamebaits win out because people want to disagree more than they want to agree.
It was a legal seizing because they had a warrant. Which means that they had some kind of evidence against the kid.
why wouldn't someone comming there later do the same if they were guilty.
Well, first of all, the FBI's job is NOT to determine whether someone is utterly stupid or not; its to determine whether they're a suspect of a crime.
Secondly, removing an IP from the hard disk is a very difficult thing to do, since it can be retrieved even after it has been deleted. When someone (smart) hacks a box, they'll jump through 10+ machines all over the place, making it harder and harder to trace with each hop. One of these boxes will have logging turned off, so that its pretty much impossible to determine where the next hop is to.
It is the responsibility of the law to PROVE MY GUILT...not for me to prove my innocence.
On another note... why do you think that the FBI confiscated his machine? Because they're attempting to prove his guilt. In fact, guilt or innocense has no place in this argument because he's not in jail; they just took his precious computer because he was doing (at the very least) stupid shit with it. At the most, he hacked that machine. Either way, he made a decision to investigate a crime scene, and taint evidence. He put his fingerprints on the system, and its the FBI's obligation to consider him a suspect.
I had a similar experience about 3 years ago. The problem was that the admin was too stupid to realize what a Smurf attack was. They did not however attempt to confiscate my machine. I explained to the admin how a smurf attack works, and how _I_ was the recipient of the attack and not the clueless admins of joeschmo.com who had their broadcast addies wide open and were accusing me of attacking them.
Thank you. Finally someone who has read the article. Too bad you're forced to post AC, since all the people who haven't read the article will mod you down for your rational thoughts.
Since when did it become reasonable to be accused or suspected of a crime for VIEWING a site after it's been cracked?
I never said that. In fact, did you read the article? You obviously did not. He did not just view the website. To quote:
Upon going there, I saw what I thought to be the original site, so I figured this whole "crack" was simply a dns
redirect. I checked the bind version that yankees.com's primary nameserver was running (dig @ns1.icsnet.net version.bind chaos txt), and saw that it was running
the latest version (well... patch;) of bind. I figured they wouldn't have broken in through this (at least, I HOPED not), and checked other ports on ns1 for banners;
21, 25, 110, 143, etc; the most commonly exploited daemons. I got no where with this (whether it was due to a firewall, I do not know), so I returned to my IRC
client, said "Looks like a dns hack...", and and the conversation went elsewhere.
He scanned the machine. A machine that they had moved to a different hostname mostlikely to attempt to catch the hacker. He made himself a suspect. The FBI is doing their job by confiscating his machine as EVIDENCE, because that is what it is now. If this guy is telling the truth, then nothing will happen to him, however if there is evidence that he's been hacking that machine, then they caught him.
Look guy, did you read the article? He scanned the machine, and attempted connections to it _AFTER_ it was given a different hostname. He tainted evidence by spamming the logs with his IP address.
I can go as far as him being a suspect, b/c his "fingerprints" were all over the box hours after it had been hacked.
Then where's the argument? He made himself a suspect! They confiscated his machine because he is now a suspect! He won't end up in jail however, but he is now a suspect.
This guy pokes and prods a machine that has been hacked, riddling his IP all over the machine... of COURSE they're going to confiscate his stuff! They know two things about him: he's a stupid hacker who returned to the scene of the crime, OR he's a stupid student who doesn't realize that he's putting his fingerprints all over the smoking gun.
This is not a case of the FBI abusing their power, its a case of a student stiking his nose in a place he shouldn't be. I'd expect this sort of reaction from the FBI.
Also I think at the current moment with the nature of the OSS movement if legal action was taken against the project someone would carry on
the project after it has had a injunction against it etc.. I mean just look at DeSSC code that has been distriuted so many ways. ie this
How many software distributions are there that publish DeCSS? None.
The catch to the MS stuff is that if Samba were to get MS' code, they'd mostlikely obfuscate it in such a way that it'd be hard to prove it legally. As for MS' intellectual property rights, I say screw them. They're a monopoly; they thrive on not allowing other systems to network easily with them.
Well I think the problem is that a pretty good argument could be made that an OSS project like Samba, could be using the Windows source code to network perfectly with windows boxes.
They could accuse them of obtaining the stolen source and using the knowledge they learned from it to advance the project.
As far as I can tell, one lawsuit against a project like this could have the thing shut down. OSS projects don't have too many financial resources to fund a legal battle.
The real problem as I see it, is that drug abuse and alchoholism are diseases that people have predispositions to. Combined with emotional and/or social problems (such as having an abusive parent) the predisposition may or may not take over your life.
Kids will always use drugs... what people need to be able to do is recognize who has a problem using them and who doesn't, as well as who will potentially have a problem.
Well if we had evidence that they existed, then it would mean that the "other universe" was interacting with "our universe" which would mean that they were part of the same Universe.
If they didn't interact, well then there'd be no evidence and it wouldn't therefore matter.
Actually, the problem is different from just "multiple universes". The term Universe is used to encompass _everything_. If there are multiple universes and they have any kind of interaction with our universe, then they're all just part of the same Universe.
If they don't interact with our universe, then there _is_ no way to detect it in the first place and therefore makes the discussion irrelevent.
Try drawing a perfect circle in Gimp, as opposed to Photoshop where they give you a "tool". Of course its possible in Gimp, but you need to know "shift-click" stuff.
To use the Gimp effectively you _have_ to read a manual, while Photoshop, anybody can learn to use it with a little experimentation.
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This could make for some really cool desktop backgrounds and themes.... ahh the possabilities...
Chairman Greenspan has gone on record saying that he would rather see the surplus returned to taxpayers than spent on new government programs like Al Gore proposes.
Greenspan has requested the complete OPPOSITE of tax cuts using this surplus. What he suggested was that the Govt. hold this money to be used on programs when the economy is not as strong as it is now. Bush is blatently wrong with the statement that Greenspan thinks he need tax cuts. Whether this is a misunderstanding, or an attempt to misquote, I don't know. Either way, he is VERY wrong.
This is true, however he was picking up the murder weapon, checking its caliber, etc. He had knowledge of where it was, regardless of how he figured this out. It looks suspicious, and the FBI acted accordingly. I would expect nothing but that from them. The kid made himself a suspect. Further more, he put himself at risk of taking the blame for something that he claims he did not do. He's just plain stupid to do that.
Believe me, this is not the first time something like this has happenned. Thats one of the biggest faults in this moderation system... that you can get moderated negatively for having an opposing opinnion. Unfortunately its a problem not easily fixed.
I've had probably half a dozen posts teeder-todder between flamebait and insightful, and unfortunately the flamebaits win out because people want to disagree more than they want to agree.
It was a legal seizing because they had a warrant. Which means that they had some kind of evidence against the kid.
why wouldn't someone comming there later do the same if they were guilty.
Well, first of all, the FBI's job is NOT to determine whether someone is utterly stupid or not; its to determine whether they're a suspect of a crime.
Secondly, removing an IP from the hard disk is a very difficult thing to do, since it can be retrieved even after it has been deleted. When someone (smart) hacks a box, they'll jump through 10+ machines all over the place, making it harder and harder to trace with each hop. One of these boxes will have logging turned off, so that its pretty much impossible to determine where the next hop is to.
It is the responsibility of the law to PROVE MY GUILT...not for me to prove my innocence.
On another note... why do you think that the FBI confiscated his machine? Because they're attempting to prove his guilt. In fact, guilt or innocense has no place in this argument because he's not in jail; they just took his precious computer because he was doing (at the very least) stupid shit with it. At the most, he hacked that machine. Either way, he made a decision to investigate a crime scene, and taint evidence. He put his fingerprints on the system, and its the FBI's obligation to consider him a suspect.
I had a similar experience about 3 years ago. The problem was that the admin was too stupid to realize what a Smurf attack was. They did not however attempt to confiscate my machine. I explained to the admin how a smurf attack works, and how _I_ was the recipient of the attack and not the clueless admins of joeschmo.com who had their broadcast addies wide open and were accusing me of attacking them.
Yes, read the article.
Thank you. Finally someone who has read the article. Too bad you're forced to post AC, since all the people who haven't read the article will mod you down for your rational thoughts.
Since when did it become reasonable to be accused or suspected of a crime for VIEWING a site after it's been cracked?
I never said that. In fact, did you read the article? You obviously did not. He did not just view the website. To quote:
Upon going there, I saw what I thought to be the original site, so I figured this whole "crack" was simply a dns
redirect. I checked the bind version that yankees.com's primary nameserver was running (dig @ns1.icsnet.net version.bind chaos txt), and saw that it was running
the latest version (well... patch
21, 25, 110, 143, etc; the most commonly exploited daemons. I got no where with this (whether it was due to a firewall, I do not know), so I returned to my IRC
client, said "Looks like a dns hack...", and and the conversation went elsewhere.
He scanned the machine. A machine that they had moved to a different hostname mostlikely to attempt to catch the hacker. He made himself a suspect. The FBI is doing their job by confiscating his machine as EVIDENCE, because that is what it is now. If this guy is telling the truth, then nothing will happen to him, however if there is evidence that he's been hacking that machine, then they caught him.
To you my friend, I say: READ THE ARTICLE.
Look guy, did you read the article? He scanned the machine, and attempted connections to it _AFTER_ it was given a different hostname. He tainted evidence by spamming the logs with his IP address.
He is now a suspect, and its his fault.
Its a crime when he and if he is convicted. This kid made himself a suspect by riddling his IP all over the logs. He deserved it.
I can go as far as him being a suspect, b/c his "fingerprints" were all over the box hours after it had been hacked.
Then where's the argument? He made himself a suspect! They confiscated his machine because he is now a suspect! He won't end up in jail however, but he is now a suspect.
This guy pokes and prods a machine that has been hacked, riddling his IP all over the machine... of COURSE they're going to confiscate his stuff! They know two things about him: he's a stupid hacker who returned to the scene of the crime, OR he's a stupid student who doesn't realize that he's putting his fingerprints all over the smoking gun.
This is not a case of the FBI abusing their power, its a case of a student stiking his nose in a place he shouldn't be. I'd expect this sort of reaction from the FBI.
Also I think at the current moment with the nature of the OSS movement if legal action was taken against the project someone would carry on
the project after it has had a injunction against it etc.. I mean just look at DeSSC code that has been distriuted so many ways. ie this
How many software distributions are there that publish DeCSS? None.
The catch to the MS stuff is that if Samba were to get MS' code, they'd mostlikely obfuscate it in such a way that it'd be hard to prove it legally. As for MS' intellectual property rights, I say screw them. They're a monopoly; they thrive on not allowing other systems to network easily with them.
Well I think the problem is that a pretty good argument could be made that an OSS project like Samba, could be using the Windows source code to network perfectly with windows boxes.
They could accuse them of obtaining the stolen source and using the knowledge they learned from it to advance the project.
As far as I can tell, one lawsuit against a project like this could have the thing shut down. OSS projects don't have too many financial resources to fund a legal battle.
The real problem as I see it, is that drug abuse and alchoholism are diseases that people have predispositions to. Combined with emotional and/or social problems (such as having an abusive parent) the predisposition may or may not take over your life.
Kids will always use drugs... what people need to be able to do is recognize who has a problem using them and who doesn't, as well as who will potentially have a problem.
They will never fully open source it. The fear fragmentation is too great. They'll probably do it only to allow people to make bugfixes, etc.
It'd cost much more to get MIR out of Earth orbit. Look at the cost of apollo relative to the size of Mir.
If they boosted it to a higher orbit, they'd only be post-poning the inevitable.
Dropping it in the ocean is much better than dropping it on NYC, Paris, Moscow Beijing, etc.
Well if we had evidence that they existed, then it would mean that the "other universe" was interacting with "our universe" which would mean that they were part of the same Universe.
If they didn't interact, well then there'd be no evidence and it wouldn't therefore matter.
Actually, the problem is different from just "multiple universes". The term Universe is used to encompass _everything_. If there are multiple universes and they have any kind of interaction with our universe, then they're all just part of the same Universe.
If they don't interact with our universe, then there _is_ no way to detect it in the first place and therefore makes the discussion irrelevent.
In this case, I see the discussion as irrelevent.
My point is that, to use the Gimp effectively, you _NEED_ to read the manual. There's no point and click figure it out usability.
There's no arguing it.
I'm not saying that the Gimp sucks, because it doesn't. I'm just saying the UI is what limits its marketability.
Actually, it was the sub-contractor, Lockheed Martin's fault for the mis-calculation of units.
Try drawing a perfect circle in Gimp, as opposed to Photoshop where they give you a "tool". Of course its possible in Gimp, but you need to know "shift-click" stuff.
To use the Gimp effectively you _have_ to read a manual, while Photoshop, anybody can learn to use it with a little experimentation.