When the last digit ends in 5, some rounding implementations round to the *even* number.
Possibly this is what was happening.
Not sure why this is the case, but unless told to round in a particular direction (up or down) this is how we were taught where I went to school (in Australia).
Personally, I usually round to the worst case scenario (ie, up on my tax, down on my available funds, etc;)
For that to "work" they would have to offer some sort of compelling feature(s) to pursuade users to give up the compatability of the open source version.
If the company/person in question has spent the time/effort required to implement said features, then the have a right to charge for their work. Whether or not people are willing to pay for it or not is dependent on what they offer. If they don't offer anything useful, people won't bother.
The BSD license is about giving people the freedom to use code as they see fit. Trying to control derivitive works (the GNU way) is akin to your university lecturer (or even your primay school teacher) claiming credit for any future works that you may publish.
So if I write an application for Windows with Borland Delphi, I must call it "Borland/XXX"?
I don't quite think so;p
This is another reason I prefer the BSDs. If the GNU people were truly in support of freedom to use software as you please, they'd follow a similar license.
So what if someone forks their own version and closes the source? The open version is still out there, and if the closed version is so much better then maybe the people in question deserve the right to charge money for it if thats what they want.
Why? Nations spy on each other. They always have, and are going to continue to do so for the forseeable future. We spy on other countries. They spy on us. It's a tool of statecraft, and damn nessecary one because when you sit there and just assume that everyone is honest and has your best interests at heart, you usually end up sitting there with a dumb look on your face when
somebody starts smashing planes your buildings
I'm sorry but this is the biggest crock of shit I have ever read.
The reason America got planes smashed into her buildings (not that I condone the methods) is that you refuse to keep your big fscking noses out of shit that just doesn't concern you.
I'm not talking about spying so much - I'm referring to the annoying american practice of sending the military off to "settle" regional disputes, in the interests of having another little country to roll over when asked.
Some of the things America does just make me sick.
The fact that your president acts so self righteous while doing so just makes it even more sickening.
That is what sept 11 was all about. The fact that america has not changed foreign policy, and just sent the military off to play is just SO not going to resolve the issue.
While I agree that I totally hate the state of the SCO filesystem and its symlinks everywhere, that very quirk saved my ass a couple of months ago.
I was trying to delete a bunch of spool files with awk and rm I believe, and the statement somehow climbed up into the / directory.
I caught it before it removed much, but it had removed the kernel (or so I thought).
After a fairly worried call to a knowledgable SCO guy, he told me that it was just a symlink, and to simply relink it to wherever the hell it was. I was worried I'd have to break out the install CD and start copying stuff;)
Granted, it may not be the best measure of performance, but it *does* give an indication of the cards maximum polygon/texturing throughput.
Given that most people who buy these cards don't give a crap about windowed performance (ie, they just play games), the window content copying isn't so important (those who are, are more likely to be getting a professional card). Also, the time spent doing a copy of a windowfull of data is likely insignificant when stacked against the GPU cycles spent rendering. (4-8meg copy at 7gig/sec.. oh no:P)
I think part of the reason the quake3/etc benchmarks are used is because Joe Gamer can easily relate to them, and they're a "real world" application that is close to what he will use the card for.
Anyway, interesting point, but I think its just a case of using a benchmark that Joe gamer will understand..
I'm currently working on setting up a local community wireless network (in Western Australia, where we have been paying for bandwidth for years). Each node is going to have a BSD/Linux box running squid proxies (of at least a few gig each) in sibling configuration, allowing hit-only access to each other.
If your cache contains something your peers want, they get it from you, at no cost (you downloaded it already). If not, they fetch it directly out of their own bandwidth, and it is stored in their proxy for other wireless users.
This sort of setup will be attractive even for dialup users in our area - if stuff is in someone's wireless cache, they get it at wireless speeds.
The other use is of course online gaming;)
Given that a node can be set up for the cost of an old Pentium PC and a few hundred dollars in wireless gear, I think it should be fairly cost-effective.
Other countries lack the resources to engage in projects of such monumental nature. Europe, the USA's nearest competitor, is woefully out of date. Russia tries but it'll be a generation until they get their act together. That's why the Crusader artillery was recently cancelled, to spend resources on next-generation weapons like UCAVs that no competitor to the USA can match.
Not necessarily. This is an assumption, and we all know what happens when people make assumptions about their safety and become complacent.
The IA64 cpus to my knowledge are backwards compatible - but through some form of hardware emulation.
This is in contrast to the AMD-64 bit architecture in that the AMD cpus retain the full IA32 register/instruction set, and simply add new instructions and a few 64 bit registers.
This means the AMD cpus run IA32 code much quicker, but the intel 64 bit cpus are quicker when running native code.
At least thats how I understand it, in laymans terms.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying I like access (far from it)
The simple fact remains though, that if it is as much work to move away from the way things currently work as it is (re-writing all our reporting applications in a different language), it simply isnt very likely to happen.
Given the chance to start from scratch, I'd jump to postgresql + php + web interface in a heartbeat (I've been using Linux and associated free software in an ISP environment since '96 at my previous job) - however decisions were made long before I got here that are pretty difficult to change.
That was the point of my statement... not that there aren't alternatives, but simply that switching to them is too much work to convince people to do, when the solution they already have "works" (for fairly non-strict definitions of "works").
What the Linux community really needs is a single office suite standard, eliminating the compatibility issues. Then we can work on competition.
What the open-source community needs, is an MS-Access clone. I'm sure I'm not alone in the fact that the company I work for has a large number of Access 97 databases that are used for the sole purpose of reporting on information stored in our unix-based accounting package (pronto).
When there is an office suite that has a ODBC-enabled, visual design capable database package, we will be able to quite happily sever all ties to MS office. Until then, people are too dependant on their pretty (and easily created) reports to give up office...
> But even further: Just look at the whole vi/emacs war. All the vi
> people simply refuse to bend to emacs (LOL, obviously they don't
> know lisp!) and the emacs people generally ignore the vi people
> (which isn't all together unwarrented - just rude). This isn't helping
> anyone. All the vi people should start putting work into Emacs, maybe
> making a compatibility mode, so we could have one large, perfect
> piece of software, instead of two half-assed implementations.
When you can fit EMACS on a useful root floppy, let me know.
I believe there is an option (squid -d) to disable initial DNS tests. I think this is turned on by default in the debian package these days, though I could be wrong.
When squid starts, it by default tries to look up a couple of sites to check that DNS works - microsoft.com and netscape.com are a couple of them I believe.
No idea what the idea behind the initial tests are, but I'm assuming the developers behind squid havea much better idea about these things than me...
Of course they can build a version of Windows without IE.
Its called Windows 95A (originally, IE was an add-on for win95).
I'm sure they can get the Windows NT kernel, and port the Windows 95 UI to it without a problem. Unless they don't have the source code to Win95 anymore (yeah right).
OR, if thats too hard, they could simply back-port the non-IE APIs (such as directX) to NT 3.51 and go that way.
There is NO technical reason why they *cant* do it, and anyone who says otherwise is a liar. It may be some work, but fuck... this is *supposed* to be a punishment...
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Possibly this is what was happening.
Not sure why this is the case, but unless told to round in a particular direction (up or down) this is how we were taught where I went to school (in Australia).
Personally, I usually round to the worst case scenario (ie, up on my tax, down on my available funds, etc ;)
smash
smash(nitpick ;)
Thanks heaps, I was wanting to confirm - still new to freebsd (used linux heaps) and wanted to make sure its not just my box being broken ;)
:)
This machine hasn't actually been comissioned yet, so I think I'll just cvsup ports again tomorrow and it should most likely be sweet
Thanks again...
Semi relevant.... upgrading my freebsd 4.6 box to apache 2.0.39 of course required recompiling php.
/usr/ports/www/mod_php4/work / hp-4.2.1/libtool --silent --mode=compile cc -I. -I/usr/ports/www/mod_php4/work/php-4.2.p ache2filter -I/usr/ports/www/mod_php4/work/php-4.2.1/main -I/usr/ports/www/mod_php4/work/php-4.2.1 -I/usr/local/inclul /expat -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/ports/www/mod_php4/work/php-4.2.1/TSRM -I/usr/local/incl
;)
installing php 4.2.1 from ports again, it dies with:
Making all in apache2filter
/bin/sh
1/sapi/a
de/apache2 -I/usr/ports/www/mod_php4/work/php-4.2.1/Zend -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/mysql -I/usr/ports/www/mod_
php4/work/php-4.2.1/ext/xm
ude/pth -O -pipe -march=pentiumpro -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/pgsql -pthread -DZTS -prefer-pic -c php_function
s.c
php_functions.c:93: syntax error
*** Error code 1
Anyone else have the problem?
thanks in advance
smash.
If the company/person in question has spent the time/effort required to implement said features, then the have a right to charge for their work. Whether or not people are willing to pay for it or not is dependent on what they offer. If they don't offer anything useful, people won't bother.
The BSD license is about giving people the freedom to use code as they see fit. Trying to control derivitive works (the GNU way) is akin to your university lecturer (or even your primay school teacher) claiming credit for any future works that you may publish.
smash
I don't quite think so ;p
This is another reason I prefer the BSDs. If the GNU people were truly in support of freedom to use software as you please, they'd follow a similar license.
So what if someone forks their own version and closes the source? The open version is still out there, and if the closed version is so much better then maybe the people in question deserve the right to charge money for it if thats what they want.
smash (just my 2c)
Actually... your round-trip will be 41 years there, and 41 years back, which is 82 years ;)
smash
smash.
I'm sorry but this is the biggest crock of shit I have ever read.
The reason America got planes smashed into her buildings (not that I condone the methods) is that you refuse to keep your big fscking noses out of shit that just doesn't concern you.
I'm not talking about spying so much - I'm referring to the annoying american practice of sending the military off to "settle" regional disputes, in the interests of having another little country to roll over when asked.
Some of the things America does just make me sick.
The fact that your president acts so self righteous while doing so just makes it even more sickening.
That is what sept 11 was all about. The fact that america has not changed foreign policy, and just sent the military off to play is just SO not going to resolve the issue.
Thats my 2c.
smash(dons flame retardant underwear)
Fun with 'rm' ...
While I agree that I totally hate the state of the SCO filesystem and its symlinks everywhere, that very quirk saved my ass a couple of months ago.
I was trying to delete a bunch of spool files with awk and rm I believe, and the statement somehow climbed up into the / directory.
I caught it before it removed much, but it had removed the kernel (or so I thought).
After a fairly worried call to a knowledgable SCO guy, he told me that it was just a symlink, and to simply relink it to wherever the hell it was. I was worried I'd have to break out the install CD and start copying stuff ;)
I still hate SCO tho....
smash
smash
Same deal... just yesterday I ordered -
Athlon XP 1800+, Geforce 4 ti4200, 512mb ddr sdram, msi kt3 mobo
ah well.
thems the brakes.
Was considering an intel system, but to get better performance, you need RDRAM + RDRAM mobo, which will cost a fair bit more.
smash(either system will comprehensively shit on my P3-700 on abit BH6 anyway :)
Given that most people who buy these cards don't give a crap about windowed performance (ie, they just play games), the window content copying isn't so important (those who are, are more likely to be getting a professional card). Also, the time spent doing a copy of a windowfull of data is likely insignificant when stacked against the GPU cycles spent rendering. (4-8meg copy at 7gig/sec .. oh no :P)
I think part of the reason the quake3/etc benchmarks are used is because Joe Gamer can easily relate to them, and they're a "real world" application that is close to what he will use the card for.
Anyway, interesting point, but I think its just a case of using a benchmark that Joe gamer will understand..
smash
I'm currently working on setting up a local community wireless network (in Western Australia, where we have been paying for bandwidth for years). Each node is going to have a BSD/Linux box running squid proxies (of at least a few gig each) in sibling configuration, allowing hit-only access to each other.
If your cache contains something your peers want, they get it from you, at no cost (you downloaded it already). If not, they fetch it directly out of their own bandwidth, and it is stored in their proxy for other wireless users.
This sort of setup will be attractive even for dialup users in our area - if stuff is in someone's wireless cache, they get it at wireless speeds.
The other use is of course online gaming ;)
Given that a node can be set up for the cost of an old Pentium PC and a few hundred dollars in wireless gear, I think it should be fairly cost-effective.
smash (squid is funky)
Not necessarily. This is an assumption, and we all know what happens when people make assumptions about their safety and become complacent.
smash
This is in contrast to the AMD-64 bit architecture in that the AMD cpus retain the full IA32 register/instruction set, and simply add new instructions and a few 64 bit registers.
This means the AMD cpus run IA32 code much quicker, but the intel 64 bit cpus are quicker when running native code.
At least thats how I understand it, in laymans terms.
smash.
this doesn't leave any of the craft in the water.
thats how I understand it anyway...
smash
anything with a height more than that is pretty easily visible on the ocean...
smash(just my 2 cents)
The simple fact remains though, that if it is as much work to move away from the way things currently work as it is (re-writing all our reporting applications in a different language), it simply isnt very likely to happen.
Given the chance to start from scratch, I'd jump to postgresql + php + web interface in a heartbeat (I've been using Linux and associated free software in an ISP environment since '96 at my previous job) - however decisions were made long before I got here that are pretty difficult to change.
That was the point of my statement ... not that there aren't alternatives, but simply that switching to them is too much work to convince people to do, when the solution they already have "works" (for fairly non-strict definitions of "works").
smash
What the open-source community needs, is an MS-Access clone. I'm sure I'm not alone in the fact that the company I work for has a large number of Access 97 databases that are used for the sole purpose of reporting on information stored in our unix-based accounting package (pronto).
When there is an office suite that has a ODBC-enabled, visual design capable database package, we will be able to quite happily sever all ties to MS office. Until then, people are too dependant on their pretty (and easily created) reports to give up office...
smash
> But even further: Just look at the whole vi/emacs war. All the vi > people simply refuse to bend to emacs (LOL, obviously they don't > know lisp!) and the emacs people generally ignore the vi people > (which isn't all together unwarrented - just rude). This isn't helping > anyone. All the vi people should start putting work into Emacs, maybe > making a compatibility mode, so we could have one large, perfect > piece of software, instead of two half-assed implementations.
When you can fit EMACS on a useful root floppy, let me know.
smash
When squid starts, it by default tries to look up a couple of sites to check that DNS works - microsoft.com and netscape.com are a couple of them I believe.
No idea what the idea behind the initial tests are, but I'm assuming the developers behind squid havea much better idea about these things than me...
smash
Sanders is just confusing MS with the whole software industry - they're a certified monopoly after all :)
Its called Windows 95A (originally, IE was an add-on for win95).
I'm sure they can get the Windows NT kernel, and port the Windows 95 UI to it without a problem. Unless they don't have the source code to Win95 anymore (yeah right).
OR, if thats too hard, they could simply back-port the non-IE APIs (such as directX) to NT 3.51 and go that way.
There is NO technical reason why they *cant* do it, and anyone who says otherwise is a liar. It may be some work, but fuck... this is *supposed* to be a punishment...
smash
You have the option of a default policy and a list of exceptions - Ie, you can disable javascript, except for a few particular URLs.
Unfortunately, I do not know of any browser for Windows that can do that.
smash