See? This is what eldavojohn was talking about. You make a baseless assertion that the 'global warming nuts' have no evidence. Well, you are wrong. In fact, the amount of comprehensive, cohesive evidence supporting global warming is astounding. Why do you say it isn't? You obviously have no idea how much evidence is out there and you haven't read any of it. In fact, the evidence is so great, the burden of proof is now on those who deny global warming. So, where's your proof that this literal mountain of evidence is either wrong, or does not exist?
Personally, I think conservatives find the very idea of a publicly owned broadcast system communistic and repugnant.
How is that a jab at all? It is not negative. Is it even untrue? Have conservatives embraced communism while I wasn't looking? Is it bad to say they don't like it? Do they not look at PBS that way? Maybe they don't, but stating that I think they do is hardly negative. I bet conservatives don't like terrorists, either. Is that insulting to conservatives?
Seriously, if conservatives find what I just said insulting, that certainly explains why they don't like PBS: because they take offense at hallucinatory insults. There, do you see? That was slightly insulting to conservatives, implying they take offense at completely non-offensive things. Do you see the difference?
I keep hearing, even from liberals, that PBS 'leans a little to the left.' I'm not saying it doesn't, but I'm still curious what people are basing that on.
Personally, I think conservatives find the very idea of a publicly owned broadcast system communistic and repugnant.
Uh... Not everyone. I think PBS is a waste of money. It was originally sold to the congress as an alternative to the 3 TV networks. There are now hundreds of alternatives so the tax dollars still being paid to PBS are a legacy to a problem which was fixed long ago.
No, because we need a non-commercial voice on the public airwaves. We've essentially given away our public bandwidth to big corporations. We should maintain at least one commerce-free public station. Corporate interests are not our interests.
They actually did know what it meant. "Teabag those liberals in Congress" being just one of the prominent signs displayed on that first major tax day protest. And one of the organizers exhorted those in attendance to "Teabag them before they teabag us." They knew what teabagging was, and thought it would be hilarious to imply that they would be dipping their balls into the mouths of liberals. Is it any wonder that it was turned back on them?
And just to be clear, I have zero respect for most so called teabaggers. I am outright stating that my use of the term is pejorative. Perhaps it is only a few bad apples that make the group look crazy, but any group that lets its craziest members speak for it, that in fact encourages the crazies, deserves no respect.
If you don't like people calling you a fucking cretin, I suggest you refrain from discussing your politics online, or stick to the right wing echo chambers where your views will be encouraged.
It's an insult not a fallacy. Like when right wingers claim we aren't real Americans. Saying Obamabots are no true liberals is primarily a way of insulting them, rather than saying that we, the liberals who are pissed at Obama, are the true liberals.
The political spectrum is a spectrum, not a series of boxes. You ask a dozen people what it means to be liberal or conservative, you'll get a dozen answers. You ask a Scotsman what it means to be a Scotsman, you'll likely get broad agreement that residing in or hailing from Scotland is at least a prerequisite.
I don't have anything against the original tea party, and I refrain from calling them teabaggers. The majority of the wingnuts now associated with the term? I have no respect for them. None. They are spoiled, bratty, racist children and I will treat them as such.
If name calling is the last refuge of the scoundrel, then according to your first point, all groups, including any and all groups you belong to, are scoundrels. Glad we got that cleared up.
That whole thing makes me sad. If its true. There doesn't seem to be a lot of evidence. Tipper and Al seemed the perfect couple. It's always a little disconcerting when a couple that's been together for many decades splits up. Something must have happened, even if it wasn't groping a woman in Portland.
As for the gay thing, I find it astonishing that that much utter hypocrisy and self loathing can exit inside one person's head. You never saw Gore preaching for monogamy, right? If he fondled this gal, he's a cad, but at least he isn't a hypocrite. Fighting tooth and nail against gay rights while nailing gays in bathroom stalls is pretty sick.
Hahaha, good one. The economy was in the shitter before the Dems took congress. What exactly did the Dems do to make it worse, hmmmm? Got anything concrete? No? Thought not.
Yeah, I should have been more clear: the people who started using that term against the liberals knew what it meant. Which is really what makes it completely fair to turn it against them. The majority of teabaggers, being little old white men, had no idea what it meant.
Conservatives love to whine that they are not being respected, all the while disrespecting their opponents. Which was my point: conservatives started it. It is par for the conservative hypocrisy course.
To have an antithesis, conservatism would need a thesis. The only coherent conservative thesis now is 'Obama must fail so we can win,' and I guess in that regard, you are correct. Obama is your antithesis.
As DJRumpy has also schooled you regarding the origins of the teabagger term, I won't repeat myself. I'll just add that no one on the left is afraid of the tea party. It's hard to be afraid while you're laughing.
The tea partiers thought it would be funny to say they would dip their balls in Democratic faces, but when the term they started using is turned on them, they whine like a little princess. If they don't want derogatory terms being used, they shouldn't have started using them in the first place, don't you agree? Or does 'justice' mean 'just us?'
Oh, puh-lease. You guys have no fucking chance. Puff and strut now, big boy, but know going into this election cycle your team's major talking points are cutting off unemployment benefits and gutting social security. That's going to play well in this economy, don't you think?
Idiots like you blame the Democrats, but the real Americans know who got them in this mess, and who is trying to keep them there to score points against 'the other guys.' It won't work, in fact, this next election is going to be a slaughter. The southern regional minority party of hate and fear is dead. Its corpse is still shambling around looking for brains, but we'll put it down soon, don't you fear.
The ones using the phrase knew what it meant and wanted to imply they would be dipping their balls in Democratic faces. And then, when the phrase was turned on them, they cried little hurt princess tears.
But I will also add this caveat. The Tea Party movement was around well before Fox News launched it into the national consciousness on a wave of coverage and outright sponsorship. From what I've read, the original movement was not so crazy. Maybe not what I agree with, but nothing worthy of ridicule. So, I will allow for 'original tea partiers' and 'the rest of those crazy teabaggers.'
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See? This is what eldavojohn was talking about. You make a baseless assertion that the 'global warming nuts' have no evidence. Well, you are wrong. In fact, the amount of comprehensive, cohesive evidence supporting global warming is astounding. Why do you say it isn't? You obviously have no idea how much evidence is out there and you haven't read any of it. In fact, the evidence is so great, the burden of proof is now on those who deny global warming. So, where's your proof that this literal mountain of evidence is either wrong, or does not exist?
Oh, and an off-hand jab? This?
Personally, I think conservatives find the very idea of a publicly owned broadcast system communistic and repugnant.
How is that a jab at all? It is not negative. Is it even untrue? Have conservatives embraced communism while I wasn't looking? Is it bad to say they don't like it? Do they not look at PBS that way? Maybe they don't, but stating that I think they do is hardly negative. I bet conservatives don't like terrorists, either. Is that insulting to conservatives?
Seriously, if conservatives find what I just said insulting, that certainly explains why they don't like PBS: because they take offense at hallucinatory insults. There, do you see? That was slightly insulting to conservatives, implying they take offense at completely non-offensive things. Do you see the difference?
Examples?
I keep hearing, even from liberals, that PBS 'leans a little to the left.' I'm not saying it doesn't, but I'm still curious what people are basing that on.
Personally, I think conservatives find the very idea of a publicly owned broadcast system communistic and repugnant.
And how, exactly, is PBS not neutral?
Uh... Not everyone. I think PBS is a waste of money. It was originally sold to the congress as an alternative to the 3 TV networks. There are now hundreds of alternatives so the tax dollars still being paid to PBS are a legacy to a problem which was fixed long ago.
No, because we need a non-commercial voice on the public airwaves. We've essentially given away our public bandwidth to big corporations. We should maintain at least one commerce-free public station. Corporate interests are not our interests.
They actually did know what it meant. "Teabag those liberals in Congress" being just one of the prominent signs displayed on that first major tax day protest. And one of the organizers exhorted those in attendance to "Teabag them before they teabag us." They knew what teabagging was, and thought it would be hilarious to imply that they would be dipping their balls into the mouths of liberals. Is it any wonder that it was turned back on them?
And just to be clear, I have zero respect for most so called teabaggers. I am outright stating that my use of the term is pejorative. Perhaps it is only a few bad apples that make the group look crazy, but any group that lets its craziest members speak for it, that in fact encourages the crazies, deserves no respect.
If you don't like people calling you a fucking cretin, I suggest you refrain from discussing your politics online, or stick to the right wing echo chambers where your views will be encouraged.
It's an insult not a fallacy. Like when right wingers claim we aren't real Americans. Saying Obamabots are no true liberals is primarily a way of insulting them, rather than saying that we, the liberals who are pissed at Obama, are the true liberals.
The political spectrum is a spectrum, not a series of boxes. You ask a dozen people what it means to be liberal or conservative, you'll get a dozen answers. You ask a Scotsman what it means to be a Scotsman, you'll likely get broad agreement that residing in or hailing from Scotland is at least a prerequisite.
As you say, you see it on the left too. "Bush planned 9/11!" Thanks buddy, we really needed you to say that...
I don't have anything against the original tea party, and I refrain from calling them teabaggers. The majority of the wingnuts now associated with the term? I have no respect for them. None. They are spoiled, bratty, racist children and I will treat them as such.
If name calling is the last refuge of the scoundrel, then according to your first point, all groups, including any and all groups you belong to, are scoundrels. Glad we got that cleared up.
That whole thing makes me sad. If its true. There doesn't seem to be a lot of evidence. Tipper and Al seemed the perfect couple. It's always a little disconcerting when a couple that's been together for many decades splits up. Something must have happened, even if it wasn't groping a woman in Portland.
As for the gay thing, I find it astonishing that that much utter hypocrisy and self loathing can exit inside one person's head. You never saw Gore preaching for monogamy, right? If he fondled this gal, he's a cad, but at least he isn't a hypocrite. Fighting tooth and nail against gay rights while nailing gays in bathroom stalls is pretty sick.
Hahaha, good one. The economy was in the shitter before the Dems took congress. What exactly did the Dems do to make it worse, hmmmm? Got anything concrete? No? Thought not.
Yeah, I should have been more clear: the people who started using that term against the liberals knew what it meant. Which is really what makes it completely fair to turn it against them. The majority of teabaggers, being little old white men, had no idea what it meant.
Exactly like that. Except it isn't a fallacy.
When they started gaining traction, the Republicans, fresh off their '08 defeats, succeeded in co-opting the movement.
FTFY
I wish there were enough people like you to make a difference, I really do.
At least we can commiserate about how much our respective political options suck right about now.
Conservatives love to whine that they are not being respected, all the while disrespecting their opponents. Which was my point: conservatives started it. It is par for the conservative hypocrisy course.
To have an antithesis, conservatism would need a thesis. The only coherent conservative thesis now is 'Obama must fail so we can win,' and I guess in that regard, you are correct. Obama is your antithesis.
As DJRumpy has also schooled you regarding the origins of the teabagger term, I won't repeat myself. I'll just add that no one on the left is afraid of the tea party. It's hard to be afraid while you're laughing.
The Tea Party, pre-Faux News takeover, was a different thing entirely. What the 'progenitor' says about it now is moot.
The tea partiers thought it would be funny to say they would dip their balls in Democratic faces, but when the term they started using is turned on them, they whine like a little princess. If they don't want derogatory terms being used, they shouldn't have started using them in the first place, don't you agree? Or does 'justice' mean 'just us?'
Oh, puh-lease. You guys have no fucking chance. Puff and strut now, big boy, but know going into this election cycle your team's major talking points are cutting off unemployment benefits and gutting social security. That's going to play well in this economy, don't you think?
Idiots like you blame the Democrats, but the real Americans know who got them in this mess, and who is trying to keep them there to score points against 'the other guys.' It won't work, in fact, this next election is going to be a slaughter. The southern regional minority party of hate and fear is dead. Its corpse is still shambling around looking for brains, but we'll put it down soon, don't you fear.
The ones using the phrase knew what it meant and wanted to imply they would be dipping their balls in Democratic faces. And then, when the phrase was turned on them, they cried little hurt princess tears.
But I will also add this caveat. The Tea Party movement was around well before Fox News launched it into the national consciousness on a wave of coverage and outright sponsorship. From what I've read, the original movement was not so crazy. Maybe not what I agree with, but nothing worthy of ridicule. So, I will allow for 'original tea partiers' and 'the rest of those crazy teabaggers.'