As we have a Novell Netware contract (which isn't going away), we get about 60 Linux licenses for free, so, no. Not going to Red Hat. Not that I think it's any better anyway. I like SuSE. I'd prefer something Debian based if I was going to switch.
The broken time synch is a kernel timekeeping issue, you can change the Mhz setting for interrupts to something around 100 instead of 250 or 1000. This allows the simulated clock hardware to keep up. The newer kernels use different timekeeping methods and should not have the same problem.
We are on version 4, and I can state with certainty the tools will not compile and work correctly. While the new open source VMware tools will work slightly better, they still do not function correctly.
As we are a state agency, our upgrade time tables are a little slow. We're testing SP3 now. We had to upgrade a test server to VMWare 4.1 to get the tools to work, the downloadable open source tools package for SP3 does not work as advertised, and the tools available on VSphere 4 do not work at all. If you see that the paravirtualized scsi driver does not compile, there will be other, more severe problems as well. The vmxnet3 driver won't work either, and that is a deal breaker for us.
While I think you are right, and this does happen on occasion, nothing in the experiments I've seen demonstrates that kind of behavior. Of course, in the simplified world of these games, fairness and unfairness are pretty clear cut.
Another interesting finding of these experiments is that some small percentage of people will always act selfishly, but another, slightly larger group will always act fairly, despite what others are doing. Perhaps what you are seeing is the rationalization of the small group of sociopaths and narcissists who will always try to screw over others.
Or perhaps I am wrong and people are mean spirited, vicious creatures and everyone who succeeds deserves their success, while everyone who complains is just jealous. But honestly, I think that idea is just a rationalization people use to justify their own actions.
We upgraded all our SLES 9 to SLES 10 a few years ago and have been pretty happy with it.
As for the tools, ah, have you tried it? The tools they provide for 11 are the new, mostly untested and unfinished open source tools. They don't work right for me, vmxnet3 is broken and the tools come up as 'unmanaged' in VSphere Center. Time synch seems broken, too, but that may be a different problem. In any case, they seem like open beta quality, not production ready. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad VMWare is open sourcing their tools, but I don't want to play beta tester with our production servers.
Hmph. Thanks for making me look like an amateur, buddy.:P
I meant that the HA in 11 is not drop in compatible with 10. I thought it was a proprietary package, glad it isn't.
And the vmware tools don't work 'out of the box,' like you point out, you have to go download them. And have you looked at them? Tried using them? Those are the new open source vmware tools, they will compile, yes, but they have not worked correctly with Vsphere center, at least not for me. The tools still come up as 'unmanaged' in the summary, and the network drivers don't work correctly with the vmxnet3 flexible adapter.
We haven't had any hardware problems on 10sp2, on IBM blades running VSphere. In any case, our upgrade path looks like vmware->4.1, then SLES 10sp3, THEN 11. We're a state agency, so, you know, we don't exactly move at the speed of light.
More importantly, now I've met another Slashdotter that uses SLES, which is cool. We are a Netware shop, and that led to SLES Linux, which led to management witnessing open source 'just work,' which led to our replacing a lot of closed source systems with open source. Which has saved the sate, by my estimation, over $200,000 per year so far. After we replace Sybase, it will be even more.
All that goes to show that, despite any negative connotations I may have conveyed earlier, I absolutely love SLES and Novell.
If your definition of libertarian or conservative were more widely accepted, I would have no problem identifying as such. And I don't have an answer either. IMHO, there are no easy answers. The only real answer is, as always, "live the change you want to see in the world." But that technique takes thousands of years to actually work. I won't see the results in my lifetime. The upside is that unintended consequences are less likely to turn your ideals on their head and your work into a parody. Quick fixes almost never work.
We are not a predatorial, combative species. We're more like the Bonobos (pygmy chimps) than chimps. They screw each other silly at the drop of a hat to smooth over social tensions. The traits you describe are a consequence of developing agriculture and a surplus, and then experiencing famine. Instead of moving on to more fertile grounds, we stayed until the surplus was exhausted, then used our newly developed societal organization to wage war on our neighbors. This resulted in a whole generation of brain damaged children (starvation does that) being raised by a whole generation of PTSD damaged (war does that) adults. Our selfish side was locked in culturally.
This is why you don't see walled cities before a certain point in history. No weapons exclusive to killing other humans as opposed to hunting, either. No mass graves, not until the time period when the Sahara dried up.
Science has shown that your view of human nature is fundamentally incorrect. Please see my post above yours for citations. It is human nature to be more concerned about fairness and reciprocity than self interest. But the opposite view excuses all sorts of unfair and non-reciprocal behaviors, and so it is still immensely popular with a certain set of privileged people, despite the evidence against it.
Are you seriously using 11 on production servers? We've yet to upgrade to SP3 of 10. 11 breaks a lot of things. Where did HA go? Replaced by some proprietary package. Will VMware tools work with the 11 kernel? Nope, sorry. Does it add anything in the way of security or stability? Ah, not so much.
Not a troll. "What could possibly go wrong" is a common meme used here at Slashdot for any sort of experiment with even the slightest possibility of catastrophic, world ending consequences. We've all seen the movies where the genetically engineered thingy eats everyone, so it's funny, not a troll. It does not generally indicate that the writer even believes something will go wrong.
Now, that being said, selective breeding is not the same thing as genetic engineering. Not that I really think this sort of work will cause problems, but that is because I generally trust these scientists to know a bit more about the real dangers than we do, not because genetic engineering is anything like selective breeding or unsupervised evolution. A beaver damn is like hoover damn, but I don't think the first is as potentially dangerous as the second if they both sprung a leak.
Please learn to read and use logic before attempting to reply. Please explain how you see any logical contradiction between my two statements, "I have no feelings about this news," and "I hate undeserved success." I never said I don't feel emotion, but I have no horses in this race. I neither hate nor like Facebook. It's existence is absolutely irrelevant to me.
I gave evidence that my claims are true, sound sociological and anthropological principles, now widely accepted in their field. You have not. And while I admire engineers, builders, innovators, and inventors ('captains of industry' do not drive innovation, they stifle it to protect their profits) I did not feel that those professions were good examples of the general population loving success, as I couldn't think of any that get enough publicity to qualify. But sure, we can use them too. Anyone hate Stephen Hawking? No? What about Einstein? No? Weird, huh?
Oh, and highly successful business ventures success almost always comes about from extra-market coercion, outright fraud, and human rights violations. But when it does not, I am incredibly grateful and happy. For instance, Ben and Jerry's ice cream used to be a great success. The Newman's Own company is another example. And while I loathe their coffee, Starbucks is an example of another big corporation that does not feel the need to rape its employees, suppliers, and the environment.
But the biggest success that I love the most would have to be the Mondragon Cooperative. A Spanish priest and an engineer took a poor region of Spain and turned it into an industrial powerhouse in under fifty years. Using socialism and cooperatives. Maybe you should look it up. Or not, I imagine knowing too much about it would destroy your carefully protected world view.
Haha, oh my. Greece isn't socialist. I've lived in Greece. Trust me, they are not socialist at all.
Socialism is not ensuring everyone has everything. It is ensuring everyone has the basic necessities of food, water, shelter, and medical care. And that everyone has equal opportunity to succeed.
Nope, that would be the economy we used to have, one of strong manufacturing. What we have now is a Conservative creation. You see, we kicked the fascists calling themselves liberals out of our party. They then joined the conservatives and called themselves 'neo-cons.'
I don't have an emotional reaction to this news, sorry. And you'll have to do a better job of convincing me that humans hate success. Why do we idolize the rich? Why do we love celebrities, sports stars, great artists, and musicians? I just don't see it, and I think perhaps YOU hate success, and are justifying it with the 'everybody does it' line.
Modern games theory experiments have shown that people will accept harm to themselves in order to punish unfairness and reward reciprocity. We are not selfish actors, we are social beings. Only when everyone around them is acting unfairly, and they have no opportunity to punish unfairness, will most people act selfishly.
At least Clinton wasn't a hypocrite. Why would he cooperate, that whole trumped up, overblown 'scandal' was nothing more than a Republican hit piece, meanwhile, the hypocritical fuckers were doing the same shit as Clinton, screwing around.
Humans do not hate success. Humans love a winner. We love deserved success, success that comes from hard work, determination, and smarts. We hate undeserved success, that comes from taking advantage of others. We are social animals, born with an innate sense of fairness. We don't hate success, we hate injustice and unfairness.
Oh my God! The world is ending. I state senator spent $4,000 from his state senate account to pay for two polls.
Seriously, that is the best you could do? While I agree that this is bad, look at the reaction. He manned up and took responsibility for his actions. Not one Democrat defended him. Here's a quote from an article:
On a second potential violation — soliciting lobbyists for campaign donations during this year’s legislation session — the commission determined on a 6-3 vote that there was insufficient evidence that Steineger had “knowingly” sought the contributions.
In a statement, Steineger said he had paid the fine and accepted full responsibility.
When Republicans do something like this, they circle that wagons to protect the wrongdoer. Not Democrats, though. We take personal responsibility for our actions.
Thanks for that clarification. Always nice conversing with an educated individual. I needed a little palette cleansing after the "discussion" I've been having...
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I've traveled all over, and seen this trait everywhere. Definitely universal.
As we have a Novell Netware contract (which isn't going away), we get about 60 Linux licenses for free, so, no. Not going to Red Hat. Not that I think it's any better anyway. I like SuSE. I'd prefer something Debian based if I was going to switch.
The broken time synch is a kernel timekeeping issue, you can change the Mhz setting for interrupts to something around 100 instead of 250 or 1000. This allows the simulated clock hardware to keep up. The newer kernels use different timekeeping methods and should not have the same problem.
We are on version 4, and I can state with certainty the tools will not compile and work correctly. While the new open source VMware tools will work slightly better, they still do not function correctly.
As we are a state agency, our upgrade time tables are a little slow. We're testing SP3 now. We had to upgrade a test server to VMWare 4.1 to get the tools to work, the downloadable open source tools package for SP3 does not work as advertised, and the tools available on VSphere 4 do not work at all. If you see that the paravirtualized scsi driver does not compile, there will be other, more severe problems as well. The vmxnet3 driver won't work either, and that is a deal breaker for us.
While I think you are right, and this does happen on occasion, nothing in the experiments I've seen demonstrates that kind of behavior. Of course, in the simplified world of these games, fairness and unfairness are pretty clear cut.
Another interesting finding of these experiments is that some small percentage of people will always act selfishly, but another, slightly larger group will always act fairly, despite what others are doing. Perhaps what you are seeing is the rationalization of the small group of sociopaths and narcissists who will always try to screw over others.
Or perhaps I am wrong and people are mean spirited, vicious creatures and everyone who succeeds deserves their success, while everyone who complains is just jealous. But honestly, I think that idea is just a rationalization people use to justify their own actions.
We upgraded all our SLES 9 to SLES 10 a few years ago and have been pretty happy with it.
As for the tools, ah, have you tried it? The tools they provide for 11 are the new, mostly untested and unfinished open source tools. They don't work right for me, vmxnet3 is broken and the tools come up as 'unmanaged' in VSphere Center. Time synch seems broken, too, but that may be a different problem. In any case, they seem like open beta quality, not production ready. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad VMWare is open sourcing their tools, but I don't want to play beta tester with our production servers.
Hmph. Thanks for making me look like an amateur, buddy. :P
I meant that the HA in 11 is not drop in compatible with 10. I thought it was a proprietary package, glad it isn't.
And the vmware tools don't work 'out of the box,' like you point out, you have to go download them. And have you looked at them? Tried using them? Those are the new open source vmware tools, they will compile, yes, but they have not worked correctly with Vsphere center, at least not for me. The tools still come up as 'unmanaged' in the summary, and the network drivers don't work correctly with the vmxnet3 flexible adapter.
We haven't had any hardware problems on 10sp2, on IBM blades running VSphere. In any case, our upgrade path looks like vmware->4.1, then SLES 10sp3, THEN 11. We're a state agency, so, you know, we don't exactly move at the speed of light.
More importantly, now I've met another Slashdotter that uses SLES, which is cool. We are a Netware shop, and that led to SLES Linux, which led to management witnessing open source 'just work,' which led to our replacing a lot of closed source systems with open source. Which has saved the sate, by my estimation, over $200,000 per year so far. After we replace Sybase, it will be even more.
All that goes to show that, despite any negative connotations I may have conveyed earlier, I absolutely love SLES and Novell.
If your definition of libertarian or conservative were more widely accepted, I would have no problem identifying as such. And I don't have an answer either. IMHO, there are no easy answers. The only real answer is, as always, "live the change you want to see in the world." But that technique takes thousands of years to actually work. I won't see the results in my lifetime. The upside is that unintended consequences are less likely to turn your ideals on their head and your work into a parody. Quick fixes almost never work.
We are not a predatorial, combative species. We're more like the Bonobos (pygmy chimps) than chimps. They screw each other silly at the drop of a hat to smooth over social tensions. The traits you describe are a consequence of developing agriculture and a surplus, and then experiencing famine. Instead of moving on to more fertile grounds, we stayed until the surplus was exhausted, then used our newly developed societal organization to wage war on our neighbors. This resulted in a whole generation of brain damaged children (starvation does that) being raised by a whole generation of PTSD damaged (war does that) adults. Our selfish side was locked in culturally.
This is why you don't see walled cities before a certain point in history. No weapons exclusive to killing other humans as opposed to hunting, either. No mass graves, not until the time period when the Sahara dried up.
Science has shown that your view of human nature is fundamentally incorrect. Please see my post above yours for citations. It is human nature to be more concerned about fairness and reciprocity than self interest. But the opposite view excuses all sorts of unfair and non-reciprocal behaviors, and so it is still immensely popular with a certain set of privileged people, despite the evidence against it.
Are you seriously using 11 on production servers? We've yet to upgrade to SP3 of 10. 11 breaks a lot of things. Where did HA go? Replaced by some proprietary package. Will VMware tools work with the 11 kernel? Nope, sorry. Does it add anything in the way of security or stability? Ah, not so much.
Not a troll. "What could possibly go wrong" is a common meme used here at Slashdot for any sort of experiment with even the slightest possibility of catastrophic, world ending consequences. We've all seen the movies where the genetically engineered thingy eats everyone, so it's funny, not a troll. It does not generally indicate that the writer even believes something will go wrong.
Now, that being said, selective breeding is not the same thing as genetic engineering. Not that I really think this sort of work will cause problems, but that is because I generally trust these scientists to know a bit more about the real dangers than we do, not because genetic engineering is anything like selective breeding or unsupervised evolution. A beaver damn is like hoover damn, but I don't think the first is as potentially dangerous as the second if they both sprung a leak.
Please learn to read and use logic before attempting to reply. Please explain how you see any logical contradiction between my two statements, "I have no feelings about this news," and "I hate undeserved success." I never said I don't feel emotion, but I have no horses in this race. I neither hate nor like Facebook. It's existence is absolutely irrelevant to me.
I gave evidence that my claims are true, sound sociological and anthropological principles, now widely accepted in their field. You have not. And while I admire engineers, builders, innovators, and inventors ('captains of industry' do not drive innovation, they stifle it to protect their profits) I did not feel that those professions were good examples of the general population loving success, as I couldn't think of any that get enough publicity to qualify. But sure, we can use them too. Anyone hate Stephen Hawking? No? What about Einstein? No? Weird, huh?
Oh, and highly successful business ventures success almost always comes about from extra-market coercion, outright fraud, and human rights violations. But when it does not, I am incredibly grateful and happy. For instance, Ben and Jerry's ice cream used to be a great success. The Newman's Own company is another example. And while I loathe their coffee, Starbucks is an example of another big corporation that does not feel the need to rape its employees, suppliers, and the environment.
But the biggest success that I love the most would have to be the Mondragon Cooperative. A Spanish priest and an engineer took a poor region of Spain and turned it into an industrial powerhouse in under fifty years. Using socialism and cooperatives. Maybe you should look it up. Or not, I imagine knowing too much about it would destroy your carefully protected world view.
Right, when celebrities and the rich prove to us that their success is undeserved, we tear them down. Your examples only prove my point.
Haha, oh my. Greece isn't socialist. I've lived in Greece. Trust me, they are not socialist at all.
Socialism is not ensuring everyone has everything. It is ensuring everyone has the basic necessities of food, water, shelter, and medical care. And that everyone has equal opportunity to succeed.
Can you point out where the socialists have screwed up?
Clinton never said "Don't screw around on your wife."
Wiki is always a good place to start, but check the references given on the pages, of course.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Games_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictator_game
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimatum_game
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_goods_game
Nope, that would be the economy we used to have, one of strong manufacturing. What we have now is a Conservative creation. You see, we kicked the fascists calling themselves liberals out of our party. They then joined the conservatives and called themselves 'neo-cons.'
I don't have an emotional reaction to this news, sorry. And you'll have to do a better job of convincing me that humans hate success. Why do we idolize the rich? Why do we love celebrities, sports stars, great artists, and musicians? I just don't see it, and I think perhaps YOU hate success, and are justifying it with the 'everybody does it' line.
Modern games theory experiments have shown that people will accept harm to themselves in order to punish unfairness and reward reciprocity. We are not selfish actors, we are social beings. Only when everyone around them is acting unfairly, and they have no opportunity to punish unfairness, will most people act selfishly.
I had cockles: in my heart, too, but once daily Valtrex cleared that right up.
At least Clinton wasn't a hypocrite. Why would he cooperate, that whole trumped up, overblown 'scandal' was nothing more than a Republican hit piece, meanwhile, the hypocritical fuckers were doing the same shit as Clinton, screwing around.
Humans do not hate success. Humans love a winner. We love deserved success, success that comes from hard work, determination, and smarts. We hate undeserved success, that comes from taking advantage of others. We are social animals, born with an innate sense of fairness. We don't hate success, we hate injustice and unfairness.
Oh my God! The world is ending. I state senator spent $4,000 from his state senate account to pay for two polls.
Seriously, that is the best you could do? While I agree that this is bad, look at the reaction. He manned up and took responsibility for his actions. Not one Democrat defended him. Here's a quote from an article:
On a second potential violation — soliciting lobbyists for campaign donations during this year’s legislation session — the commission determined on a 6-3 vote that there was insufficient evidence that Steineger had “knowingly” sought the contributions.
In a statement, Steineger said he had paid the fine and accepted full responsibility.
When Republicans do something like this, they circle that wagons to protect the wrongdoer. Not Democrats, though. We take personal responsibility for our actions.
Thanks for that clarification. Always nice conversing with an educated individual. I needed a little palette cleansing after the "discussion" I've been having...