So people know what we're talking about. And people should really read the linked documents in the story, and respond to the facts, rather than the implications.
As I mentioned elsewhere, and others elaborated on in a thread down the page a bit, our ability to conduct international aid is less constrained than our ability to conduct internal aid. Posse Comitatus. The armed forces can't help as freely, and that makes a big difference, but it is still the right way to do it.
But yes. You are of course completely right about Katrina, even given the constraints mentioned above. But I don't want to be like them, you dig?;) Some people still point fingers back at Clinton. We all know Bush fucked up. Let's try to fix it and move on. Any idea, has NO gotten it's fair share of stimulus funds, and then some? I hope so.
Banning of the website is not an appropriate response in the case you present. The appropriate course of action is to prosecute those directly involved in those activities for the appropriate laws that are already on the books. IMHO.
People can be held for liable if the prosecution can prove they knowingly spread a falsehood, causing the victim damages. That is the law on the US books right now, I believe.
Ah, sorry, I was misinformed. It looks like the Comfort can require up to five days for activation. Here's hoping they get it underway quicker than that, if possible. It can do, what? 17 knots? It will still take 3-4 days to sail down to Haiti after it leaves Baltimore.
Excuse? No! Screw that, man. It's bad. But I wanted to correct any misconceptions the article may have caused. It IS NOT as bad as COINTELPRO. Not by a long shot. I have family who were impacted by COINTELPRO, and I can tell you, that was horrendous. This is merely wrong, as opposed to evil.
Just to be clear: the idea of banning any website, even Nazi or KKK websites, is wrong. So is requiring 'fairness' for websites. The Fairness Doctrine is appropriate for the public airwaves, a shared resource, but not for privately held resources like websites.
So the government is joining conspiracy theory groups, posing as ordinary citizens, winning their trust, and then debunking their theories. This is bad, but again, nothing like COINTELPRO, which encouraged illegal behavior, spread gossip to break groups apart, even stooping so low as to have their agents have affairs to break apart groups.
Well, the colonial period of Europe may have ended long ago, but the US has continued it's own imperial goals in this hemisphere right up to the present day. I think if we just got out of the way, and stopped installing puppet tyrants, the people of Central and South America, and the Caribbean, would do just fine.
I want to stress that I do not hate America. We are a great country, and capable of great good. But first, we must learn to do no harm.
Is that what these reports say? Or do they simply advocate countering free speech with *GASP* more free speech? It sounds like propaganda, which is bad, but nothing like COINTELPRO.
Not only are streets blocked by rubble, but where they aren't, they are blocked by desperate people afraid to enter any buildings. Adding to this, there was very little in the way of heavy equipment available in Haiti even before this earthquake. It needs to be shipped or airlifted in, and then used to cut a path to the worst hit areas.
Why do universities need to be promoting the Kindle at all? Why specifically the Kindle? Why should they spend ANY money to promote a corporation's products? I agree that e-books are superior to paper books (I remember the back aches from carrying 50 lbs of books in college) but why a DRM encumbered, non ADA compliant piece of crap like the Kindle? And given the ease and reasonableness of their request, why shouldn't they refrain from sending business to Amazon until Amazon does the right thing?
Nobody is denying the sighted any freedoms. No poor, innocent sighted students are being oppressed. And yet, people leap to defend these poor, sighted students from, well, what exactly?
Digicel has also donated $5,000,000 in cash to Haiti. To put that in perspective, Chase Manhattan donated $1,000,000, less than a single one of their executives made in bonuses this year.
I'm studiously NOT saying one party is better than another. I'm saying, make sure whatever party you DO support, supports USAID. Don't let anyone try to tell you it's a waste of money.
I've donated $100 already, and am researching which charities to give more to.
A survey team and several hundred water purification kits were on board.
Good job, getting people out of the rubble is obviously first priority, but many thousands more will die unless clean water is provided within a few days.
Although I'm agnostic myself, I have to commend the Christians of the world for their quick response. Except for Pat Robertson, who's quick response was, 'Haiti made a pact with the devil when they revolted against French rule, therefore, this is God's punishment." But then, that's what he always says, isn't it?
I just want as much help there as fast as it can get there so try and show us up.
Sure, as do I. But it is important to note that there are other avenues of diplomacy than guns. If you want to get as much help there (and to the next place) as fast as possible, support a political party that actually funds the USAID. It will do more for our national security than any amount of purely military funding.
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I fully support his right to say that. We need a good laugh after such a tragedy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine
So people know what we're talking about. And people should really read the linked documents in the story, and respond to the facts, rather than the implications.
Maybe that's just what they want us to think. Who says your not one of them!?
After so many years of accusing others of being one of them, I myself am now accused of being one of them. My life is fnord complete.
As a counterargument, propaganda is bad because the method is dishonest, not because the content may or may not be.
As I mentioned elsewhere, and others elaborated on in a thread down the page a bit, our ability to conduct international aid is less constrained than our ability to conduct internal aid. Posse Comitatus. The armed forces can't help as freely, and that makes a big difference, but it is still the right way to do it.
But yes. You are of course completely right about Katrina, even given the constraints mentioned above. But I don't want to be like them, you dig? ;) Some people still point fingers back at Clinton. We all know Bush fucked up. Let's try to fix it and move on. Any idea, has NO gotten it's fair share of stimulus funds, and then some? I hope so.
Banning of the website is not an appropriate response in the case you present. The appropriate course of action is to prosecute those directly involved in those activities for the appropriate laws that are already on the books. IMHO.
People can be held for liable if the prosecution can prove they knowingly spread a falsehood, causing the victim damages. That is the law on the US books right now, I believe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine
Just so people know what we're talking about. There's a lot of misinformation out there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine
You really don't know what the Doctrine is, do you?
Ah, sorry, I was misinformed. It looks like the Comfort can require up to five days for activation. Here's hoping they get it underway quicker than that, if possible. It can do, what? 17 knots? It will still take 3-4 days to sail down to Haiti after it leaves Baltimore.
Excuse? No! Screw that, man. It's bad. But I wanted to correct any misconceptions the article may have caused. It IS NOT as bad as COINTELPRO. Not by a long shot. I have family who were impacted by COINTELPRO, and I can tell you, that was horrendous. This is merely wrong, as opposed to evil.
Just to be clear: the idea of banning any website, even Nazi or KKK websites, is wrong. So is requiring 'fairness' for websites. The Fairness Doctrine is appropriate for the public airwaves, a shared resource, but not for privately held resources like websites.
So the government is joining conspiracy theory groups, posing as ordinary citizens, winning their trust, and then debunking their theories. This is bad, but again, nothing like COINTELPRO, which encouraged illegal behavior, spread gossip to break groups apart, even stooping so low as to have their agents have affairs to break apart groups.
Well, the colonial period of Europe may have ended long ago, but the US has continued it's own imperial goals in this hemisphere right up to the present day. I think if we just got out of the way, and stopped installing puppet tyrants, the people of Central and South America, and the Caribbean, would do just fine.
I want to stress that I do not hate America. We are a great country, and capable of great good. But first, we must learn to do no harm.
Is that what these reports say? Or do they simply advocate countering free speech with *GASP* more free speech? It sounds like propaganda, which is bad, but nothing like COINTELPRO.
Not only are streets blocked by rubble, but where they aren't, they are blocked by desperate people afraid to enter any buildings. Adding to this, there was very little in the way of heavy equipment available in Haiti even before this earthquake. It needs to be shipped or airlifted in, and then used to cut a path to the worst hit areas.
Admit defeat if you like, everyone can plainly see that I'm not wrong.
Bullshit.
Nope. Not bullshit at all, sadly.
Perhaps you meant we can't do better in the future? Or were you saying that we can change the past?
Why do universities need to be promoting the Kindle at all? Why specifically the Kindle? Why should they spend ANY money to promote a corporation's products? I agree that e-books are superior to paper books (I remember the back aches from carrying 50 lbs of books in college) but why a DRM encumbered, non ADA compliant piece of crap like the Kindle? And given the ease and reasonableness of their request, why shouldn't they refrain from sending business to Amazon until Amazon does the right thing?
Nobody is denying the sighted any freedoms. No poor, innocent sighted students are being oppressed. And yet, people leap to defend these poor, sighted students from, well, what exactly?
Digicel has also donated $5,000,000 in cash to Haiti. To put that in perspective, Chase Manhattan donated $1,000,000, less than a single one of their executives made in bonuses this year.
"Yo, Haiti, I'm hella sad for you, and Ima let you finish, but Indonesia had one of the worst disasters of all time. Of all time!" --Kanye West
I'm sure a lot of people don't realize just how culpable we are in Haiti's misery. We can't change the past, but we can do better in the future.
I'm studiously NOT saying one party is better than another. I'm saying, make sure whatever party you DO support, supports USAID. Don't let anyone try to tell you it's a waste of money.
I've donated $100 already, and am researching which charities to give more to.
From the link:
A survey team and several hundred water purification kits were on board.
Good job, getting people out of the rubble is obviously first priority, but many thousands more will die unless clean water is provided within a few days.
Although I'm agnostic myself, I have to commend the Christians of the world for their quick response. Except for Pat Robertson, who's quick response was, 'Haiti made a pact with the devil when they revolted against French rule, therefore, this is God's punishment." But then, that's what he always says, isn't it?
Prove it.
Look one post above your first one, idiot.
Let's show the world what the US can do when disaster strikes.
Yes.. let's
disaster - result
disaster - result
disaster - result? Still waitin' on that one.
As for Haiti? Look at who's been meddling all this time.
Us. We've been meddling, and not in a good way. We can't change the past, all we can do is try harder to do the right thing in the future.
I just want as much help there as fast as it can get there so try and show us up.
Sure, as do I. But it is important to note that there are other avenues of diplomacy than guns. If you want to get as much help there (and to the next place) as fast as possible, support a political party that actually funds the USAID. It will do more for our national security than any amount of purely military funding.