I will tell you what bothers them. They do not want to pay for commercial license and still be able to develop software and financially benefit from that. " I can do that but if troll want's to do that - uhrrdd, greedy bastards" - this kind of mentality I am talking about.
Yep. GTK is being advertised as something so great, people seem to forget that what we have here is another C based toolkit ( hello, it is fucking 2000 not 1988) that tries to accomplish something that is given for free in C++. What kind of logic is that ?
By the way, most of the "software" written in GTK is bunch of 200 line frontends to varius command line tools.
However, your compain about QT having "restrictive" license is , excuse me, complete bullshit !
Lest's take a look:
- you can develop free software , right ? - can have source code ( perfect when trying to implement your own widget ) !
No, but you want to develop commercial software and benefit out of it but you deny the same right to Troll. What the fuck is that ?? How the hell they are suppose to stay in business ?
I am absolutely sure that the they QT license is modified to allow free commercial usage, Troll people will have to start looking for other jobs ( which by the way woudn't be big deal for them as they are excelent professionals)
I am truly amazed at the number of people who dismiss anything that looks even remotely like windows. GTK in default style is butt-ugly !!Looks like some bad mix of Motif and Windows...
But hell, what else you can expect from UNIX type of crowd who came up wiht original Athena stuff..
There is not much you can do here. It is X server issue - most likely in something like 486 you have rather slow video card and this + the fact the generally XFree drivers are not up to level of their windows counterpairs should explain why it seems so slow. You might want to try AcceleratedX - it is truly at least 40% faster than XFree.
But I completely agree with your comment about QT. It is the best toolkit available for UNIX period.
Your comment clearly shows that you have never worked on sizable GUI based program using C. But you will learn, it will hurt but eventually you will learn... (hint.. QT )
Dude, you list requirements that of all mentioned toolkits are best served by QT and then you dismiss it with couple sentences. GTK C++ bindings cool ?? Better then QT ?? Have you actually tried QT ?? I doubt that.
You sound like somebody who mentions C++ simply because it is cool and hip but really at heart is a C programmer.
Not true../ is an implementation of competing technology ( and a very visible one at that) and consequently frequent downtime does not reflect good on OS this site is using.
Don't you think conclusion like that could be made ?
Yeah.. We get similar crap quite often here on/. the diffrence being that/. doesn't even give you Internal Error" - it simply times-out. I don't know which is worse...
Women for the most part don't like technology. It is true and you know it. How many female friends you have that share the same interest in computers as you do ?
Sun is really afraid of Linux. Not for their high end products but rather for middle-range ISP type stuff. Think about this: there are lot of shops with aging SUN boxes and being UNIX shops they are much more likely replace these boxes with Linux or SUN and not NT . So SUN has new competition in the market where they didn't have one before...
Microsoft is not scared of Linux taking over workstation market. That won't happen anytime soon for the simple reason that Linux is complete mess on that level. MS is little bit scared of Linux competing against NT but it is SUN who really should prepare for onslaught of both NT and Linux pressing into markets previously claimed by SUN.
It is not StarOffice fault... It is whole X thing being much slower than Win GUI subsystem. Have anyone ever seen software size of MS Office running fast under X ??? It can't be programmers fault, there are smart programmers outside of MS after all , so the only explanation is : they have to work with what they have which right now means X. Results are quite obvious.
I am not sure BeOS users want to end up in the mess that Linux X users are in right now ( 20 different GUI toolkits ranging from something as shity as Athen to very nice stuff like QT )
There is something fishy about this survey. I think lots of people who have no clue about development showed up. How else do you explain that they would like to use GTK to develop on KDE... hmm
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Beatiful?
I think it looks crappy as compared to look of native BeOS toolkit...
Really , people, don't you see that default GTK is butt-ugly ??
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I will tell you what bothers them. They do not want to pay for commercial license and still be able to develop software and financially benefit from that. " I can do that but if troll want's to do that - uhrrdd, greedy bastards" - this kind of mentality I am talking about.
and then require user who want's to use one app to install whole shitload of libraries ?
No thank you..
Yep. GTK is being advertised as something so great, people seem to forget that what we have here is another C based toolkit ( hello, it is fucking 2000 not 1988) that tries to accomplish something that is given for free in C++. What kind of logic is that ?
By the way, most of the "software" written in GTK is bunch of 200 line frontends to varius command line tools.
I agree , QT is way to go.
However, your compain about QT having "restrictive" license is , excuse me, complete bullshit !
Lest's take a look:
- you can develop free software , right ?
- can have source code ( perfect when trying to implement your own widget ) !
No, but you want to develop commercial software and benefit out of it but you deny the same right to Troll. What the fuck is that ?? How the hell they are suppose to stay in business ?
I am absolutely sure that the they QT license is modified to allow free commercial usage, Troll people will have to start looking for other jobs ( which by the way woudn't be big deal for them as they are excelent professionals)
TCL is ugly like hell. It is like design straight from the hell ...
I am truly amazed at the number of people who dismiss anything that looks even remotely like windows. GTK in default style is butt-ugly !!Looks like some bad mix of Motif and Windows ...
But hell, what else you can expect from UNIX type of crowd who came up wiht original Athena stuff..
I think QT actually looks best of all the toolkits out here ...
Bad things about "keywords" ?? There is nothing bad about it... Really, you should try it just like you tried GTK.
There is not much you can do here. It is X server issue - most likely in something like 486 you have rather slow video card and this + the fact the generally XFree drivers are not up to level of their windows counterpairs should explain why it seems so slow.
You might want to try AcceleratedX - it is truly at least 40% faster than XFree.
But I completely agree with your comment about QT.
It is the best toolkit available for UNIX period.
Your comment clearly shows that you have never worked on sizable GUI based program using C. ... .. QT )
But you will learn, it will hurt but eventually you will learn
(hint
Dude, you list requirements that of all mentioned toolkits are best served by QT and then you dismiss it with couple sentences.
GTK C++ bindings cool ?? Better then QT ??
Have you actually tried QT ?? I doubt that.
You sound like somebody who mentions C++ simply because it is cool and hip but really at heart is a C programmer.
Not true. ./ is an implementation of competing technology ( and a very visible one at that) and consequently frequent downtime does not reflect good on OS this site is using.
Don't you think conclusion like that could be made ?
But somewhere along the way GEM disappeard and Windows is still with us ...
Yeah .. We get similar crap quite often here on /. /. doesn't even give you ...
the diffrence being that
Internal Error" - it simply times-out. I don't know which is worse
You need to reevaluate your NT related knowledge of you have problems keeping NT box up more than two days...
bullshit !
Women for the most part don't like technology.
It is true and you know it. How many female friends you have that share the same interest in computers as you do ?
BeOS offers great fundation but somebody has to create products - without them, it will be very hard to sell anything ...
No. You are not being paranoid.
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Sun is really afraid of Linux. Not for their high end products but rather for middle-range ISP type stuff. Think about this: there are lot of shops with aging SUN boxes and being UNIX shops they are much more likely replace these boxes with Linux or SUN and not NT . So SUN has new competition in the market where they didn't have one before
Microsoft is not scared of Linux taking over workstation market. That won't happen anytime soon for the simple reason that Linux is complete mess on that level. MS is little bit scared of Linux competing against NT but it is SUN who really should prepare for onslaught of both NT and Linux pressing into markets previously claimed by SUN.
It is not StarOffice fault ... It is whole X thing being much slower than Win GUI subsystem.
Have anyone ever seen software size of MS Office running fast under X ???
It can't be programmers fault, there are smart programmers outside of MS after all , so the only explanation is : they have to work with what they have which right now means X. Results are quite obvious.
No. Unixland is more like : startx, xterm,xterm,xterm,xterm, netscape ( wait 5 minuts),kill netscape(DNS lookup hanged again),
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xterm"
That's pretty much it
But this is not The Register , is it ?
What's going with /.
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For a while I was getting broken HTML ( basically HEAD and TITLE tag and not much more
This site is quickly becoming one of the last stable ones on the net.
I am not sure BeOS users want to end up in the mess that Linux X users are in right now ( 20 different GUI toolkits ranging from something as shity as Athen to very nice stuff like QT )
I got notice from Watcom - Watcom C++ is no more ...
They stop any development with this product.
How about asking them to release the source code ?
There is something fishy about this survey. I think lots of people who have no clue about development showed up. How else do you explain that they would like to use GTK to develop on KDE...
hmm
Beatiful?
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I think it looks crappy as compared to look of native BeOS toolkit
Really , people, don't you see that default GTK is butt-ugly ??