I am running Office 97, VS 6.0 and IE 5 ( it is my developent machine - server cause I need to test stuff with MS SQL 6.5 - which by the wy is installed too - and all of this in the IBM thinkpad -128 MB ram ) So far works perfectly...
It is your opinion and you are in minority. I like Windows interface, never used SGI but for example I found Mac to be very unfriendly. When I moved from Amiga to Win 3.11 it was sort of let down but Windows 95 has very good interface (save for couple problems like unresizable file dialogs.) Every Unix I used has shity GUI ( KDE is nice but due to X slowness is half the speed of Windows 95 GUI)
DDD is nice. A bit on the slow side but quite nice. It is lacking in area of integration with another tools ( or maybe it is my problem of not knowing how to set it up properly).
And how exactly working with NT makes one loose his integrity ?
Those are computers we are taking about, computers...
If you step back you will realizez than Linux is riding on hype more than on anything else... At this point it is definately worse OS than Solaris and probably most of the commercial unices.
I am not saying that Linux is worthless but you need to keep things in perspective...
You need to learn more. It will come with the age. Moc is not a hack,gtk C++ wrapper is wrapper around C which in turn tries to wrap Xlib and Win32 code. It is ugly and makes your fucking life miserable when things start getting out of hand ( it is generally around 10 000 line of code)
You are studying CS.. hmm, that explains your fascinatin with C. Once you are forced to implement something larger than CS asignements you will recognize the truth. You will..
I don't understand C ?? I spent 5 years doing C and only recently moved to C++ - and you know what ? For GUI work , I would never ever go back to C.. it is not the best tool for this kind of work - simple as that.
GTK+ is not an instance of evil , yeah, it is simply another boring C based toolkit.
C++ is not equivalent with OOP but what what do you call something written in C that tries very hard to emulate C++ with bunch of terribly unreadable code ?
Yeah. Suse should do it. However, no matter how good Troll developers are ( and they are really good !) Qt is not a recipe to beat MS on the dekstop. Qt can be only as fast as underlying graphics architecture allows it to be and right now XFree still can't come even close to performance offered by profesionally written graphic card drivers on Win platform.
I completely agree with you. Windows GUI is by far the best GUi available out there. Troll made very smart move leveraging existing reserach that MS put into its widget set.
Thats their stuff . They casn do whatever they won't - this fucking "free free free or bust" mentality is driving me nuts. Linux is doomed if the likes of RMS take over. The only reason Linux is gaining in the market right know is because commercial products like Sybase, Oracle etc are slowly being ported to the OS. Without that is nothing !
Yeah. And why development tools should be free ? And for that matter why anything should be free ? I agree, I need source code most of the time but I don't mind paying for stuff. That's how market works you know... you like to merchandise you pay. Of course you can create your own but you what happens most of the time - you end up with shity, half working imitation of the real thing.
You want free... hmm , everything must be free.. And how the hell Troll is supossed to make money ? If they go out of business that's it. The best GUI lib is gone and you guys are free to play with GTK and various frontends to whois etc.. ( seems like that's what GTK is being mostly used for)
Yeah. Win API is kinda klunky and rather not that pleasant to code but on the other hand is extremely powerfull. You can do just about anything ( GUI stuff )
As to the 70 lines - it is true if you want to have real window and set up message loop. On the other hand once you have this the rest is much more lean...
You are avid C++ coder and using GTK ?? Never tried QT ? QT is C++ dream. It is soooo much more pleasant to code in than anything C based it is hard to describe. You have to try it to belive. I am being serious - I can understand people who are afraid of C+ and would rather stay with what they know best, but since you already know C++ I cannot understand why did you decide to settle on something like GTK ( which tries to be object oriented using C... uhhh)
I used Win32 API, MFC, MOtif and EZWGL and nothing comes even close to Qt...
Don't be scared, try it and you will recognize what I am talking about.
Have you ever tried C++? From my experience somebody who develops GUI based software and proclaims that is a mainly C coder, has never tried C++ and simply doesn't realize how easy is to do stuff using properly created C++ GUI API ( Qt comes to mind.)
C is perfect for some things but if you claim that one of them is GUI development then your are using wrong tool for the job. Try it...
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And also Linux on another partition - works fine too with exception that video drivers were so painfully slow I had to get AcceleratedX...
I am running Office 97, VS 6.0 and IE 5 ( it is my developent machine - server cause I need to test stuff with MS SQL 6.5 - which by the wy is installed too - and all of this in the IBM thinkpad -128 MB ram ) So far works perfectly ...
That might be true in some cases but for 90 % of users is simply another obstacle ...
That's bullshit. I just did install of NT server 4 and aplied SP5 and works perfectly. You are spreading FUD my friend...
It is your opinion and you are in minority. I like Windows interface, never used SGI but for example I found Mac to be very unfriendly.
When I moved from Amiga to Win 3.11 it was sort of let down but Windows 95 has very good interface (save for couple problems like unresizable file dialogs.)
Every Unix I used has shity GUI ( KDE is nice but due to X slowness is half the speed of Windows 95 GUI)
Branded UNIX possibly, but Linux has much more security issues than NT. Simply pout, Linux is _less_ secure than NT.
DDD is nice. A bit on the slow side but quite nice. It is lacking in area of integration with another tools ( or maybe it is my problem of not knowing how to set it up properly).
Stop lying !
IE5 is much much more stable than any version of netscape ever was ( specially Unix versions)
Try to be objective for once !!!
Yeah, the only way is to abandon this madness and move to US. ( think about how much you would save on your taxes !)
Of course it shows he is American ...
What's wrong with that ?
You have a problem with USA ?
And how exactly working with NT makes one loose his integrity ?
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Those are computers we are taking about, computers...
If you step back you will realizez than Linux is riding on hype more than on anything else
At this point it is definately worse OS than Solaris and probably most of the commercial unices.
I am not saying that Linux is worthless but you need to keep things in perspective
You need to learn more. It will come with the age. ,gtk C++ wrapper is wrapper around C which in turn tries to wrap Xlib and Win32 code. It is ugly and makes your fucking life miserable when things start getting out of hand ( it is generally around 10 000 line of code)
Moc is not a hack
You are studying CS .. hmm, that explains your fascinatin with C. Once you are forced to implement something larger than CS asignements you will recognize the truth. You will ..
I don't understand C ?? I spent 5 years doing C and only recently moved to C++ - and you know what ? For GUI work , I would never ever go back to C .. it is not the best tool for this kind of work - simple as that.
This is the price you pay for living in socialy "advanced" state like Canada.
GTK+ is not an instance of evil , yeah, it is simply another boring C based toolkit.
C++ is not equivalent with OOP but what what do you call something written in C that tries very hard to emulate C++ with bunch of terribly unreadable code ?
Yeah. Suse should do it.
However, no matter how good Troll developers are ( and they are really good !) Qt is not a recipe to beat MS on the dekstop. Qt can be only as fast as underlying graphics architecture allows it to be and right now XFree still can't come even close to performance offered by profesionally written graphic card drivers on Win platform.
No.
You know C++ then why are you asking about C toolkit ?
I completely agree with you. Windows GUI is by far the best GUi available out there.
Troll made very smart move leveraging existing reserach that MS put into its widget set.
Thats their stuff . They casn do whatever they won't - this fucking "free free free or bust" mentality is driving me nuts. Linux is doomed if the likes of RMS take over.
The only reason Linux is gaining in the market right know is because commercial products like Sybase, Oracle etc are slowly being ported to the OS.
Without that is nothing !
Yeah. And why development tools should be free ? ... you like to merchandise you pay.
And for that matter why anything should be free ?
I agree, I need source code most of the time but I don't mind paying for stuff. That's how market works you know
Of course you can create your own but you what happens most of the time - you end up with shity, half working imitation of the real thing.
You want free ... hmm , everything must be free ..
And how the hell Troll is supossed to make money ?
If they go out of business that's it. The best GUI lib is gone and you guys are free to play with GTK and various frontends to whois etc.. ( seems like that's what GTK is being mostly used for)
Yeah. Win API is kinda klunky and rather not that pleasant to code but on the other hand is extremely powerfull. You can do just about anything ( GUI stuff )
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As to the 70 lines - it is true if you want to have real window and set up message loop. On the other hand once you have this the rest is much more lean
You are avid C++ coder and using GTK ?? Never tried QT ? ... uhhh)
QT is C++ dream. It is soooo much more pleasant to code in than anything C based it is hard to describe. You have to try it to belive. I am being serious - I can understand people who are afraid of C+ and would rather stay with what they know best, but since you already know C++ I cannot understand why did you decide to settle on something like GTK ( which tries to be object oriented using C
I used Win32 API, MFC, MOtif and EZWGL and nothing comes even close to Qt...
Don't be scared, try it and you will recognize what I am talking about.
Have you ever tried C++?
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From my experience somebody who develops GUI based software and proclaims that is a mainly C coder, has never tried C++ and simply doesn't realize how easy is to do stuff using properly created C++ GUI API ( Qt comes to mind.)
C is perfect for some things but if you claim that one of them is GUI development then your are using wrong tool for the job.
Try it