And how much does SCSI-160 cost; how big, cubersome, and inconvenient are the connectors; how short do the connections have to be; how few devices are allowed per bus? Answer these questions and more, then you will see there really is no comparison to FireWire. So, does 400 Mbit/sec really bother you that much? For which applications does this limit you? Not too many with today's technology.
Read the list again: Epson Stylus Color 900G FireWire printer, Epson Expression 1600 and Umax PowerLook 1100 FireWire scanners. There are also FireWire CD-R/RW drives, an ORB drive, analog-to-digital video converters, synthesizers, mixers, VCRs, HDTVs, network storage, DAT, DVD-RAM, DVD changer, video editors, camcorders, and data analyzers. RePlayTV even uses FireWire.
Philips recently demoed a wireless FireWire network, fast enough for real-time audio- and video-streaming at 46-Mbit/sec at distances far exceeding 10 meters (BlueTooth maxes at 1-Mbit/s, HomeRF at 1.6 Mbit/s, and IEEE 802.11 at 11-Mbit/s). Check out Wi-LAN, the self-proclaimed future of high-speed wireless, for more info.
No, FireWire is not for regular modems. But USB does not work for Cable and DSL modems, either. FireWire could substitute for the Ethernet port in broadband application. USB cannot.
You are lying. Multiple companies own the patents on IEEE 1394 technology. Licensing is $0.25 per a device with FireWire. You can have as many ports on a device as you like. The licensing is still twenty-five cents. A huge number of vendors do implement firewire. See my posts above.
Huh? Please explain how I am working for VA Linux or Red Hat. I am not, anymore than I'm working for plants by breathing out carbon dioxide which they thrive on.
I agree, though I do understand it may seem silly to hook up a keyboard or mouse to a computer via firewire; easily done, but it kind of seems a waste of bandwidth (not that that really matters).
For trolling you get paid negatively: people hate you. Strangely trolls go on. Perhaps trolls like hate. Maybe a world can exist in which people have different, conflicting, or even diametrically opposed value systems. Maybe the capitalist sees Open Source as money leaking out of the nice neat boundary walls it was once kept in. Maybe Open Source developers are not all capitalist and do what they do out of enjoyment & knowlege that their work makes the world a truly better place.
Let's DeCSS this thing. As in, let's get some copies of it out there propagating.
Another thing to do is start a central repository of open USB information, like open-usb.org (not taken yet). Keep it out of country (ie, out of US) to avoid the copyright police.
I agree with burris. Hating hate is hate. This ADL stuff is crap. Censorship is censorship. Let us ban ADL sites from the web. They promote hate and I hate that.
Kind of scanned over what you said, but I'm here listening to streamed MP3 free. None of commercial on this station (afaik). F the radio. Chuck it out the window (smash those windows too). http://129.174.182.219/ is where my program says it's coming from. Ice & shout cast. It works. Me bed now apology. http://www.icecast.org/ equals open source streaming audio, so says the title... Boycott (corporate) radio! So'ze in generally boycott radio (got to figure out the car thing -- maybe da wireless Internet will help d'ere) Who the hell wants to be an audiophile? I just want to listen to music.
It means that people without money cannot go to court to enforce their rights. Sad state, but most governments could give two shits about individuals' rights. U.S. a not perfect, but most of the trouble is via corps & police statesmen (ie, the religious fractions of Christianity mostly). Individuals rights in the U.S. are amazing. You often will have to go to court to get them. Silly, huh? Poor people sometimes get to have rights too here cause we're allowed to litigate on contingency. Oh no, too many cases in the courts. That's horrible. What a sad corrupt sorry state of affairs. Not good at all.
Microsoft may seem, from the article, to be an okay place to work (why not work where all the money is), however, Microsoft's business practices do not change. The two articles below outline (1) price gouging and (2) low-quality product release, both in reference to Windows 2000. Bill Gates is responsible for the software which comes out of MS. If he had not used a slew of anti-competitive and anti-consumer practices to force his OS onto 90% plus of desktop computers, we would not have to deal with his sub-standard products, since real competition would have ousted him and his company years ago. Do not claim to know what other people do and do not realize.
Microsoft's new corporate operating system could force many businesses to pay thousands of dollars in additional licensing fees, a research firm said today.
...charges built into how Microsoft sells its software would affect a large percentage of companies upgrading to Windows 2000... Many of these fees are not up-front, said analyst Michael Gartenberg.
Windows 2000 is aimed at the suits. Twenty-four hours after the rollout of the new OS, Microsoft issues a compatibility patch that lists 45 popular games. Can you say productivity decrease? By Andy Patrizio.
For good measure, here's an article on the Anti-trust Trial set to resume today. It supports the reality of MS's practice. Read carefully.
WASHINGTON--The Microsoft trial resumes tomorrow with arguments before a federal judge to help him decide whether the abuse of monopoly power he found in November amounts to a violation of the nation's antitrust laws.
But seriously, I raised the question simply to get a better understanding of the candidates. I highly doubt any of them can comment since the issue places them squarely between big business & individual rights. Better to abstain during an election year.
The Internet & shit like DeCSS are very important, though there are thousands of other issues to consider when evaluating a candidate and making one's decision to vote. You know how complex it is. Seeing as we are on a geek board here at/. it would be nice though to get some info specifically relating to candidates' positions on the Internet & shit like DeCSS. Open source in and of itself is not a very big issue (in the political realm), but the auxiliary issues of software patents and over-extended copyright nuisance acting against fair use do make a big impact.
They do seem a bit strict on adherence to the law, at least from their website. I clicked the Register Domain button & up popped a username/pass box so I clicked Cancel & got this:
SECURITY WARNING
Our server has detected an error which could be seen as a possible security breach. If you just made an error then do not panic - you need do nothing (see FAQs Question 1.1 for more information). However it could also be due to diliberate misuse.
Attempts to access any information without permission are a clear breach of the Computer Misuse Act 1990. If you have just attempted an illegal access you should disconnect immediately. It is the policy of the owners of this server to report any unauthorised accesses or attempts at access to the police and ISPs.
The following information has been gathered to aid in any criminal prosecution arising from any criminal act discovered:
Your IP Address: xxx.xx.xxx.xxx (fx98104-c.maui.hi.rr.com)
Time: 13:09 Feb 21 2000 GMT
Browser and operating system: Mozilla/4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC)
Nah, I'm not in Hawaii. I wonder if they've had any trouble in the past?
If you are referring to me, I was refuting the AC's arguments so that others would not have to waste their time on it. He did have a good start, but there was so much more potential if he had laid off the profanity and used available facts, like Intel confirms problem with chip sets and Taiwan VIA hits back against Intel's patent claims. I didn't even have to leave/. to demonstrate the weaknesses in what AC wrote. Not exactly a bravo performance.
Btw, not everyone's still running. Get involved in politics. Change the course of history. Can anyone get a candidates position of support or non-support concerning the DeCSS-DVD-MPAA issue? Interesting to see Gore running Linux, and Bradley and him using Apache. And though McCain may not be on MS, he does have some skeletons in the proverbial web-closet: McCain pay-chat a Microsoft affair
I don't see how anything you've described will lead to a lawsuit. Can you cite your examples? I'm not on the inside track of IP and trade restriction issues with respect to microprocessors, but the size of the chip seems doubtful as being restricted by EU import restrictions. Why would it be? Second, why would the EPA care about extra pipelines in a chip design? Is this an energy issue? How? Last, the issue of barratry, which as some of us probably don't know means "The offense of persistently instigating lawsuits, typically groundless ones." It sounds as though your argument is that Willamette will cause lawsuits because it causes lawsuits. Seems a bit circular, no? So, again, give us some hard evidence of Intel's non-compliance issues (the two you give do not seem very convincing). Then let us go about in peace (ie, stop with the profanity already). And if I'm wrong, I'm sorry. Your post just seems like a psychology experiment.
I'm reading it and I got to say that it sounds like a bunch of marketing hype for Intel (well it is their show). I hear nine MPEG-1 movies and think 'wow', but there's no explanation of how much to attribute to Willamette and how much to attribute to the video card (and the T&L problems). Try some MPEG-4 movies to impress and let us know what the chip's doing (real numbers).
So looks like Will'll be out in Q3 of 2000 and probably called Pentium IV. And then there's Rambus:
Not only was RAMBUS a 'Gold Sponsor' (that means they're in bed with Intel) at this year's IDF but did anyone notice their stock soar earlier this week (up over 50%!)? We met with RAMBUS' Steven Woo, who explained the sharp rise in stock being due to Intel's announcements that the Willamette, Tehama and Timna platforms will only run with RDRAM.
Do we really want to pay 3x the price for RAM?
Fortunately, there's AMD, who was "showing off a very impressive 1.1Ghz Athlon with the new "Thunderbird" core (on-die L2 cache)."
Talk about power of 10! I think I'll be going with AMD from now on.//end rant [tired,sleep]
Yes, you are mistaken. But if you are so sure, in the future, use the Search function and find the/. article/story and include the URL. Otherwise, you are just wasting our time.
LonelyNet by our lovely JonKatz from this past Thursday has about 350 comments. It's about the same topic, but it is not the same story. Scroll down to post #8 on this (today's) article to see one of the major differences (not that the other one wasn't really a joke either, it just wasn't intended to be).
Seek help first. I have in the past been in such a state of mind. I never thought the possibility existed that I might come into a different state of mind where things would be even a little bit more tolerable. I did not believe those who said you will someday be able to tolerate living.
I am here now, though. It is many years later and it took a long time, but my life has become tolerable. I enjoy living. I'm not sure about whether those who told me to keep up hope were right or not, I just know that I am here now and living life is not that bad. Before I thought I could not go on and that things could not change. Instead I am here okay now today. Keep yourself alive, out of all the things you do. That is the first and most important step. If you feel unsafe, let somebody around you know. Allow others to help you if you will not be able to help yourself.
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Prices taken directly from Adaptec's website:
PowerDomain 39160 (Mac) -- $480.00
APD-29160N (Mac) -- $349.00
Prices from Buy.com (since the Adaptec site webstore doesn't list the Ultra 160 PC cards):
SCSI Card 29160 -- $411.82
SCSI Card 39160 -- $466.10
Average price: $426.73.
So I guestimated & was a little high, but not by much.
In comparison I can get a 6 port PCI FireWire host adapter card for $99.95 at FireWire Direct. None of the above Ultra 160 SCSI cards exceed 2 ports.
The Ultra 160 ribbon connector cable alone costs $94.95 at Buy.com.
Why wait for Fibre Channel? You can have your FireWire today for half the price and twice the convenience.
As I'm sure most people on this board know there are 8 bits to a byte. So, for your edification, here are the revised specs in byte metric.
The path of FireWire (IEEE 1394):
100 MB/s this year
200 MB/s in 2001
400 MB/s in 2002
Average price of Ultra160 SCSI PCI card: $450.
Average price for FireWire PCI card: $120.
You decide.
And how much does SCSI-160 cost; how big, cubersome, and inconvenient are the connectors; how short do the connections have to be; how few devices are allowed per bus? Answer these questions and more, then you will see there really is no comparison to FireWire. So, does 400 Mbit/sec really bother you that much? For which applications does this limit you? Not too many with today's technology.
Read the list again: Epson Stylus Color 900G FireWire printer, Epson Expression 1600 and Umax PowerLook 1100 FireWire scanners. There are also FireWire CD-R/RW drives, an ORB drive, analog-to-digital video converters, synthesizers, mixers, VCRs, HDTVs, network storage, DAT, DVD-RAM, DVD changer, video editors, camcorders, and data analyzers. RePlayTV even uses FireWire.
Philips recently demoed a wireless FireWire network, fast enough for real-time audio- and video-streaming at 46-Mbit/sec at distances far exceeding 10 meters (BlueTooth maxes at 1-Mbit/s, HomeRF at 1.6 Mbit/s, and IEEE 802.11 at 11-Mbit/s). Check out Wi-LAN, the self-proclaimed future of high-speed wireless, for more info.
Here's another list of FireWire products.
No, FireWire is not for regular modems. But USB does not work for Cable and DSL modems, either. FireWire could substitute for the Ethernet port in broadband application. USB cannot.
You are lying. Multiple companies own the patents on IEEE 1394 technology. Licensing is $0.25 per a device with FireWire. You can have as many ports on a device as you like. The licensing is still twenty-five cents. A huge number of vendors do implement firewire. See my posts above.
Huh? Please explain how I am working for VA Linux or Red Hat. I am not, anymore than I'm working for plants by breathing out carbon dioxide which they thrive on.
There are a huge number of FireWire devices.
Here's a short list (not for 28K modems).
Some related articles/sites:
The GNU/Linux IEEE 1394 Development Project
FireWire: The Fast, Easy to Use, Multimedia Interconnect Standard
IEEE 1394, the A/V Digital Interface of Choice
FireWire -- For Footage That Flies
Papers on IEEE 1394 Technology
Texas Instruments Interface Products
I agree, though I do understand it may seem silly to hook up a keyboard or mouse to a computer via firewire; easily done, but it kind of seems a waste of bandwidth (not that that really matters).
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On the topic of FireWire, I just read this:
http://www.Chipcenter.com/networking/ieee1394/pag
Page 2 is really interesting. It looks like FireWire is following this path:
800 Mbit/sec this year
1.6 Gbit/sec in 2001
h 3.2 Gbit/sec for 2002
The P1394B (Gigabit 1394) page has some good content too.
For trolling you get paid negatively: people hate you. Strangely trolls go on. Perhaps trolls like hate. Maybe a world can exist in which people have different, conflicting, or even diametrically opposed value systems. Maybe the capitalist sees Open Source as money leaking out of the nice neat boundary walls it was once kept in. Maybe Open Source developers are not all capitalist and do what they do out of enjoyment & knowlege that their work makes the world a truly better place.
Let's DeCSS this thing. As in, let's get some copies of it out there propagating.
Another thing to do is start a central repository of open USB information, like open-usb.org (not taken yet). Keep it out of country (ie, out of US) to avoid the copyright police.
I agree with burris. Hating hate is hate. This ADL stuff is crap. Censorship is censorship. Let us ban ADL sites from the web. They promote hate and I hate that.
Kind of scanned over what you said, but I'm here listening to streamed MP3 free. None of commercial on this station (afaik). F the radio. Chuck it out the window (smash those windows too). http://129.174.182.219/ is where my program says it's coming from. Ice & shout cast. It works. Me bed now apology. http://www.icecast.org/ equals open source streaming audio, so says the title... Boycott (corporate) radio! So'ze in generally boycott radio (got to figure out the car thing -- maybe da wireless Internet will help d'ere) Who the hell wants to be an audiophile? I just want to listen to music.
It means that people without money cannot go to court to enforce their rights. Sad state, but most governments could give two shits about individuals' rights. U.S. a not perfect, but most of the trouble is via corps & police statesmen (ie, the religious fractions of Christianity mostly). Individuals rights in the U.S. are amazing. You often will have to go to court to get them. Silly, huh? Poor people sometimes get to have rights too here cause we're allowed to litigate on contingency. Oh no, too many cases in the courts. That's horrible. What a sad corrupt sorry state of affairs. Not good at all.
Microsoft may seem, from the article, to be an okay place to work (why not work where all the money is), however, Microsoft's business practices do not change. The two articles below outline (1) price gouging and (2) low-quality product release, both in reference to Windows 2000. Bill Gates is responsible for the software which comes out of MS. If he had not used a slew of anti-competitive and anti-consumer practices to force his OS onto 90% plus of desktop computers, we would not have to deal with his sub-standard products, since real competition would have ousted him and his company years ago. Do not claim to know what other people do and do not realize.
...charges built into how Microsoft sells its software would affect a large percentage of companies upgrading to Windows 2000 ... Many of these fees are not up-front, said analyst Michael Gartenberg.
Licensing fees a feature of Windows 2000, researcher says
Microsoft's new corporate operating system could force many businesses to pay thousands of dollars in additional licensing fees, a research firm said today.
First Win2000 Fix Out
Windows 2000 is aimed at the suits. Twenty-four hours after the rollout of the new OS, Microsoft issues a compatibility patch that lists 45 popular games. Can you say productivity decrease? By Andy Patrizio.
For good measure, here's an article on the Anti-trust Trial set to resume today. It supports the reality of MS's practice. Read carefully.
Microsoft trial set to resume
WASHINGTON--The Microsoft trial resumes tomorrow with arguments before a federal judge to help him decide whether the abuse of monopoly power he found in November amounts to a violation of the nation's antitrust laws.
"no...it's also about open source"
/. it would be nice though to get some info specifically relating to candidates' positions on the Internet & shit like DeCSS. Open source in and of itself is not a very big issue (in the political realm), but the auxiliary issues of software patents and over-extended copyright nuisance acting against fair use do make a big impact.
But seriously, I raised the question simply to get a better understanding of the candidates. I highly doubt any of them can comment since the issue places them squarely between big business & individual rights. Better to abstain during an election year.
The Internet & shit like DeCSS are very important, though there are thousands of other issues to consider when evaluating a candidate and making one's decision to vote. You know how complex it is. Seeing as we are on a geek board here at
Why not move to the Netherlands?
They do seem a bit strict on adherence to the law, at least from their website. I clicked the Register Domain button & up popped a username/pass box so I clicked Cancel & got this:
SECURITY WARNING
Our server has detected an error which could be seen as a possible security breach. If you just made an error then do not panic - you need do nothing (see FAQs Question 1.1 for more information). However it could also be due to diliberate misuse.
Attempts to access any information without permission are a clear breach of the Computer Misuse Act 1990. If you have just attempted an illegal access you should disconnect immediately. It is the policy of the owners of this server to report any unauthorised accesses or attempts at access to the police and ISPs.
The following information has been gathered to aid in any criminal prosecution arising from any criminal act discovered:
Your IP Address: xxx.xx.xxx.xxx (fx98104-c.maui.hi.rr.com)
Time: 13:09 Feb 21 2000 GMT
Browser and operating system: Mozilla/4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC)
Nah, I'm not in Hawaii. I wonder if they've had any trouble in the past?
Well, couldn't sleep, so here's some links I found over at ZDNet on the IDF:
It's all about the Pentiums, baby! that is, the Willamette and Timna at IDF.
AMD crashes Intel's desert chip-fest with its 1.1 GHz (1.116 MHz to be exact) Athlon demo.
If you are referring to me, I was refuting the AC's arguments so that others would not have to waste their time on it. He did have a good start, but there was so much more potential if he had laid off the profanity and used available facts, like Intel confirms problem with chip sets and Taiwan VIA hits back against Intel's patent claims. I didn't even have to leave /. to demonstrate the weaknesses in what AC wrote. Not exactly a bravo performance.
Official political party sites
Democratic National Committee
Democratic Socialists of America
Green Parties of North America
Labor Party
Libertarian Party
Natural Law Party
Reform Party
Republican National Committee
Socialist Party USA
Workers Party
Official candidate sites
Gary Bauer
Bill Bradley
Pat Buchanan
George W. Bush
Steve Forbes
Al Gore
Orrin Hatch
Alan Keyes
John McCain
Donald Trump
Btw, not everyone's still running. Get involved in politics. Change the course of history. Can anyone get a candidates position of support or non-support concerning the DeCSS-DVD-MPAA issue? Interesting to see Gore running Linux, and Bradley and him using Apache. And though McCain may not be on MS, he does have some skeletons in the proverbial web-closet: McCain pay-chat a Microsoft affair
I don't see how anything you've described will lead to a lawsuit. Can you cite your examples? I'm not on the inside track of IP and trade restriction issues with respect to microprocessors, but the size of the chip seems doubtful as being restricted by EU import restrictions. Why would it be? Second, why would the EPA care about extra pipelines in a chip design? Is this an energy issue? How? Last, the issue of barratry, which as some of us probably don't know means "The offense of persistently instigating lawsuits, typically groundless ones." It sounds as though your argument is that Willamette will cause lawsuits because it causes lawsuits. Seems a bit circular, no? So, again, give us some hard evidence of Intel's non-compliance issues (the two you give do not seem very convincing). Then let us go about in peace (ie, stop with the profanity already). And if I'm wrong, I'm sorry. Your post just seems like a psychology experiment.
I'm reading it and I got to say that it sounds like a bunch of marketing hype for Intel (well it is their show). I hear nine MPEG-1 movies and think 'wow', but there's no explanation of how much to attribute to Willamette and how much to attribute to the video card (and the T&L problems). Try some MPEG-4 movies to impress and let us know what the chip's doing (real numbers).
//end rant [tired,sleep]
So looks like Will'll be out in Q3 of 2000 and probably called Pentium IV. And then there's Rambus:
Not only was RAMBUS a 'Gold Sponsor' (that means they're in bed with Intel) at this year's IDF but did anyone notice their stock soar earlier this week (up over 50%!)? We met with RAMBUS' Steven Woo, who explained the sharp rise in stock being due to Intel's announcements that the Willamette, Tehama and Timna platforms will only run with RDRAM.
Do we really want to pay 3x the price for RAM?
Fortunately, there's AMD, who was "showing off a very impressive 1.1Ghz Athlon with the new "Thunderbird" core (on-die L2 cache)."
Talk about power of 10! I think I'll be going with AMD from now on.
Yes, you are mistaken. But if you are so sure, in the future, use the Search function and find the /. article/story and include the URL. Otherwise, you are just wasting our time.
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I'll do it for you this time:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/02/16/20212
LonelyNet by our lovely JonKatz from this past Thursday has about 350 comments. It's about the same topic, but it is not the same story. Scroll down to post #8 on this (today's) article to see one of the major differences (not that the other one wasn't really a joke either, it just wasn't intended to be).
http://mosr.net/
'nuff said
xmen = ex men;
ex men = chinese unix;
So xmen = chinese unix;
line + unix = linux;
linux = functionality;
So line + unix = functionality;
Thus unix = functionality - line;
And, therefore, xmen = chinese (functionality - line);
Not really sure what that means. (Except that I'm up too late.)
True, true, true.
Seek help first. I have in the past been in such a state of mind. I never thought the possibility existed that I might come into a different state of mind where things would be even a little bit more tolerable. I did not believe those who said you will someday be able to tolerate living.
I am here now, though. It is many years later and it took a long time, but my life has become tolerable. I enjoy living. I'm not sure about whether those who told me to keep up hope were right or not, I just know that I am here now and living life is not that bad. Before I thought I could not go on and that things could not change. Instead I am here okay now today. Keep yourself alive, out of all the things you do. That is the first and most important step. If you feel unsafe, let somebody around you know. Allow others to help you if you will not be able to help yourself.