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Review of the Presidential Web Sites' HTML
Crispen writes, "My dad, the Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen, recently reviewed the presidential candidates' Web sites. He didn't review their style, mind you -- he reviewed their HTML.
If you are looking for one of the most revealing (and humorous) commentaries about the current U.S. presidential race, take a look."
The entire text below this story (in the front /. page) appears in italics. How ironic, wrong HTML in a story about wrong HTML ;-)
Just to make sure no one misses it -- Harry Browne, libertarian, has the least errors reported by validator.w3.org. (Which is pretty surprizing -- it's hard to make a site that ugly validate).
If this is what he understands as open source then I'm voting for perot.
"Thanks for checking out our source code! I plan to use this space to post
special messages to those who are helping to improve our web site -- by making
our source code the best it can be. The fact that you are peeking behind the
scenes at our site means you can make an important difference to this Internet
effort. I'm grateful for your help and support in this campaign. Now let's
keep working to build the 21st Century of our dreams!
Al Gore"
I was snickering into my tie.
Why was Yu Suzuki not included in this list? This tragic exclusion will cause many people to overlook a candidate who, while technically not running for president, could do many great things for our country. Just look what he did with Shen Mue!
Harry Browne has the fewest errors because, like a good libertarian, he knows to COMPLY with DA LAW! Read the Libertarian Party Platform and you will see that this is a party which knows that the way to run the world is through compliance with free market fucken standards, enforced, of course, by alliance with the iron fucken hand hand of the civil lawsuit.
You can't sue someone right now for having non-compliant HTML, but the day can't be far off. And why shouldn't you? If your browser can't digest someone's crappy, non-compliant page, then that person has wasted your time. If they've wasted your time, then they've stolen from you. They've effectively, made you work as their slave for the five minutes you struggle to make their crappy fucken web page work. It's tha moral equivalent of liberalism.
Under a Libertarian government, this truth would be recognised. Until then, these bums will continue to nickel and dime us to death, and we can't even sue for it!
As a professional trial lawyer, I'm voting for the candidate who knows that the basis of all justice is the civil lawsuit, and that those who do not step outside the fucken rules, do not get sued. Libertarian 2000!
John Saul Montoya, IP lawyer and white collar thug
It's nice to see the campaign web pages taking a cue from the best porn pages with the pop up windows. George w Bush's popup takes you straight to a secure server for your $$$.
Its an interesting concept; this HTML, are we the only people who go sifting through the source; just for the hell of it?
:)
At the end of the day, if its readable with the browser; thats all it ever needed to be - is there any real need to go nit-picking?
On the other hand it can only ever be good nettiquet to, if you find unworkable HTML, inform the webmaster so he make his page available to everyone.......
If you really want to generate your own unspeakably bad HTML, go to this page and look for information on this little companys' HTML editor, you'll probably (not) be surprised at how much you have to pay for it
Please do not check my HTML cos i've already checked it and it is definately cr*p
Ripping an new rectum in the fabric of spacetime.
Looks like Roblimo wants to be considered as a potential president!
Drag n' Drop DVD Recommendations
...at all, if you're running Netscape 4.08 on Solaris. Page fails to render at all. Gotta love it.
--Remove SPAM from my address to mail me
I've never actually been to the US though.
Nevertheless, I can write adequate HTML so I suggest you start campaigning for foreigners to be able to run for President.
Official political party sites
Democratic National Committee
Democratic Socialists of America
Green Parties of North America
Labor Party
Libertarian Party
Natural Law Party
Reform Party
Republican National Committee
Socialist Party USA
Workers Party
Official candidate sites
Gary Bauer
Bill Bradley
Pat Buchanan
George W. Bush
Steve Forbes
Al Gore
Orrin Hatch
Alan Keyes
John McCain
Donald Trump
Btw, not everyone's still running. Get involved in politics. Change the course of history. Can anyone get a candidates position of support or non-support concerning the DeCSS-DVD-MPAA issue? Interesting to see Gore running Linux, and Bradley and him using Apache. And though McCain may not be on MS, he does have some skeletons in the proverbial web-closet: McCain pay-chat a Microsoft affair
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He lives in a world where those who do not run the client software of the omnipresent meme are unacceptable.
How about a /. poll on politics? ie favoured presidential candidates? Or has there already been one?
Looks like slashdot has quite a few errors , Click here to check it out
Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the subject.
Yeah, and dont forget that he invented the Internet!
/Dervak
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Everyone always sights that pages don't work with Lynx but i have to ask, does anyone really still use it?
While I believe that ALT tags should be mandatory for other reasons (ie the blind or just when you don't want to wait for images) we are going to hold back advances and slow development time if we keep catering for _very_ old browsers. Especially if this is only for a very small % of users.
Lynx had it's day but do we really have to keep supporting it?
"Do you think we could wipe out world hunger forever if scientists figured out how to make AOL's Free CD's edible?"-
But what gets me is how many of them are in the commercial comain, .com Does that mean you can buy them? 'Hi, I'm Al Gore, and I'm
running this candidacy as a commercial operation...'I'm old enough to remember when discussions on Slashdot were well informed.
:) great... vote it!
I've seen a rapid increase in sites that assume that shockwave plugins are available for Lynx.
No joke. Often, I like using a simple browser to cut through the fancy schmancy graphics and get down to the text message. Its what humans speak.
Many times I surf the int-r-net from a Wyse-60 terminal under lynx and appreciate getting just the facts. A little formatting is nice and a bit of confusion is expected, but what I saw on georgewbush.com was jibberish that only Ronald Regan could mumble off:
[nav_shadow_rt_mid.gif]
[nav_shadow_left_mid.gif] [ISMAP:nav_youth.gif]-[USEMAP:nav_youth.gif]
[nav_shadow_rt_mid.gif]
[nav_shadow_left_mid.gif]btn_red_2.gif (60 bytes) btn_red_2.gif (60 bytes) btn_red_2.gif (60 bytes)
What is his message? Between all that I can see a secret message in there. He wants money.
Hmmm. He seems to like assuming that all HTML on the web is done in some sort of HTML Editor, like FrontPage, Netscape, etc. What about hand written. There is at least one page there that looks very hand written to me, and I would even take it that others (with no DTD) are also hand written. I know I'm constantly leaving out the DTD when I'm writing a page, and I always capitalise my tags, and use indentation.
If anyone would like to review my code, please take a look at the website I manage...
Artane Senior Band web page
T.
To quote Anthrax, "The Devil lives in California".
Californians are evil hypocrites. There are three major populations in California: Homosexuals ("Gays"), Vegans, and Mexicans. Let's discuss each one, and how they contribute to the hypocrisy that is "California".
Homosexuals love California. Hell, it's got "fornicate" right in the name! Well, sort of. Anyway, Californians battle for gay rights, which pretty much means the right to bugger your fellow man, then stick your tongue up his ass and lick out the semen.
Vegans are yuppies that wish they were hippies that wish they had jobs. They fight to keep animals (which eat other animals) from being eaten by an animal, called the human being.
Mexicans come from Mexico, a heathen nation to our south. They are part of a communist plot to take jobs away from good heterosexual, meat-eating Americans.
Now let's talk about the hypocrisy. Vegans are allied with the Gays. Vegans say that people shouldn't eat meat, but also say that Gays should be able to stick their meat wherever they like. Ahem. Gays eat meat on a regular basis, but there are Vegan Gays! It starts to get confusing. It's the hypocrisy, stupid.
I'm not sure where the Mexicans fit in exactly, but I do know that Gay Mexicans fit into each other quite nicely.
When I am elected President, I will hit the Calfornia state line with enough nukes so that the wasteland of Gay Vegan Mexicans breaks off and floats out into the Pacific. We will tow Hawaii over and staple it in California's place. Don't worry, folks; although similar in appearance to a Mexican, the Hawaiian is actually a cross-breed Asian, guaranteed to fuel America's much needed Technical and Convenience Store industries! And as demonstrated by the tradtional "luau", Hawaiians love to eat meat. So it all works out in the end!
Thanks for your time.
God Bless,
Al Gore
Inventor of the Internet
God Bless,
Al Gore
Inventor of the Internet
Father of our Country
Remember, Al-Gorithms drive the net...perhaps there is more to his claim of creation than meets the eye...
rootrot
....FrontPage? FrontPage extensions on a *NIX ? Do these guys want to get defaced or something?
My code in't perfect, but it's all hand-made, and I try really hard to stick to the guidelines. These guys (and their site developers) don't have a clue.
On the other hand, I have to concede that we've come to expect that our politicians will all be incompetent, so it's no surprise that they hire incompetent staff....
Who am I?
Why am here?
Where is the chocolate?
What is your Slash Rating?
So I feel I am speaking from a position of authority when I say screw valiadation. IE4 is the only test that matters.
Apologies for the strong language, but sometimes this is the only way of getting my point across to the Linux zealots.
IE4 is the de-facto standard HTML browser. It is installed on over 99.7% of the world's PC desktops, in over 99.4% of Fortune 500 corporations. Do the math !
When my agency publishes a web site, we test it on the following platforms for viewability: IE3, IE4, and IE5. So we know we are providing a truly cross-platform solution to our clients.
If you can view our sites in Netscape Communicator or Lynx or Opera, well done, we're happy for you. But the fact remains, the only platforms we care about are those with a SIGNIFICANT market share. Today that means IE3, IE4 and IE5.
To pretend otherwise is to waste valuable development time pandering to those users who refuse to conform to standards (IE4) for whatever reasons.
Funnily enough, we find the demographic of the non-IE user is of no interest to our marketing department, since it seems to be comprised of rather low-spending left-wing linux advocates. So we are very happy to continue all our web development utilizing a (de-facto) standards-based apparoach.
dmg
Your page is missing some stuff. Mostly some type declarations and an alt tag, but there's no reason to be sloppy.
"If one is really a superior person, the fact is likely to leak out without too much assistance" -- John Andrew Holmes
I've never actually seen the point of having the name of the image in the alt tags. Why do some web design tools do this? [nav_shadow_left_mid.gif] isn't really any more descriptive than [IMAGE]
When people use sensible HTML, Lynx is a very impressive web browser.
Your page needs a little help yet.
"If one is really a superior person, the fact is likely to leak out without too much assistance" -- John Andrew Holmes
McCains site had perl, know who I am voting for..
The only web page editor I can think of that's that horrible is... but wait -- what's this? --
<FONT face="verdana,tahoma,geneva,arial" size=1 color="#ffcc66">
All Microsoft fonts. Could this be evidence of a cover-up?
Geneva is not a Microsoft font. It's an Apple font.WTF is this?? can you say shameless plug?
Like his platform? Nope.
;-)
Man of strong character? Nope.
Runs his website on Linux? THATS MY MAN
Maybe voters should do what they did last time and vote for the cute guy
For the forward-looking:
The W3C's XHTML 1.0 spec states in part:
This is a troll. Somebody obviously does not like VA Linux, and is doing a kind of proxy smear campaign to make it look like they VA is a crass bunch of suits devoid of any clues.
However much their OS & web daemon choices pain me, I have to vote for the good of the country.
I'm guessing their choices are not all the candidates doing...
Don't vote based on a single issue unless it's importance dwarfs the rest.
later everybody...
I didn't know that so many candidates were actually standing in the US.
;-)
I'm surprised the commies weren't hung, drawn and quatered
Doesn't it require a lot of cash to stand in a US election? How many votes do the minority parties get?
Internic doesn't have any restrictions on these. So it's not even like these candidates are "breaking the rules".
.com. And the last thing the candidates need is to add more confusion.
The fact is, a majority of the electorate gets confused when they see an address that ISN'T
And it's followed by what may be the single longest table in captivity. So you sit there for hours (it seems) waiting for anything but a white screen to show up.
Has this guy done a review of Slashdot's scandalous HTML recently? Particularly the tables that put Bush's baby almost-tables under the table?
I am, therefore you think.
While the article was funny, at one point he says something stupid about albore's choice of Raven over mod_ssl.
;-).
It's quite simple--Albore lives in the USSA, where RSA is patented and mod_ssl is illegal to use for commercial purposes (such as campaign fund-raising). Raven comes with a commercial RSA license, which you can never buy alone (trust me, I've tried).
What I generally do for normal commercial sites I set up in the USSA is use mod_ssl and have a shiny shrink-wrapped copy of Red Hat's Secure Web Server with it and hope that, if busted, I can claim the RSA license in the RH Server covers the RSA in the mod_ssl (I use RH because it *is* mod_ssl and because it's cheaper
I wouldn't dream of doing that for a presidential campaign web site though--the bad press if we were charged and lost would be hard to deal with.
You missed Jello Biafra's official campaign web site.
He's on the Green party ticket, with Mumia Abu-Jamal as his running mate, in at least one state primary.
"What would Jello do?"
Yes
I can also say Troll.
I can also say "Haven't you seen identical postsall over the place. Its just a wind up."
There isn't a Slashdot Giveaway
This is a bored individual who enjoys misleading people and generating unnecessary email.
Official VA promotions will always be posted on the VA Linux website.
Sorry for the confusion that has been created.
--Kit
Former Inmate, VA Linux Sanitarium
You gotta love how he rips on every candidate that's not using Linux at the bottom of the page.
What a loser.
Anyway,
IGGY POP FOR PRESIDENT! (about as good a choice as any)
Glückwünsche, haben Sie Slashdot ermordet, indem Sie zum korporativen Druck beugten und Subskriptionen einlei
The simplicity of the Libertarian page is not out of lack of ambition, but it is a metaphorical display of the simplicity of their platform.
;-)
WOO! Go Libertarians! 7 Errors! How many do you think that they would make as president? And BSD! At least if Browne starts sleeping around and we have a nice little scandal, we'll know that he's better in bed than those NT candidates
Eh...
...Strategic Affairs Delegation (DAS), a french intelligence agency, ...
French intelligence? What an oxymoron...
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Don't lead me into temptation... I can find it myself.
Actually, when I saw the notice that entries were going to be received by email with no visible means of verifying their origin, that was clue enough that it was bogus. Even so, I would like to suggest a third prize category: a life-size likeness of JonKatz modeled in hot grits, or a DeCSS T-shirt worn once by Natalie Portman.
Lyndon LaRouche
Actually it used to, in an earlier iteration of the site (6-12 months ago, if I remember).
At the time, that message said something to the effect of
Thanks for checking out our source code! We believe in community participation in making our HTML code better -- it's OPEN SOURCE -- yadda yadda...
That's very paraphrased, but I did find it funny that the statement really did have "OPEN SOURCE" in all caps, like it was specifically targeted to get the attention of the geek community. Eventually, somebody probably told Gore or his webmaster that the concept of "open source HTML" doesn't make much sense.
-CausticPuppy "Of all the people I know, you're certainly one of them." -Somebody I don't know
Al Gore Apache/1.3.9 (Unix) secured_by_Raven/1.4.2 PHP/4.0b3 Linux
Al is the only one using Linux and Apache (SSL/PHP EVEN!)
Also he (or more likely one of this web designers hide some stuff in the html source, now that is just fun for everyone.
Al Gore also invented the Internet, making all this possiable, as for me I am putting my vote on the Gore man. Geek vote counts, vote Al Gore because Al Gore voted Linux (in his choice of web server).
"`Ford, you're turning into a penguin. Stop it.'" -THHGTTG
H. Ross Perot, for the Reform Party, got eight million votes, Ralph Nader, for the Green Party, got about two-thirds of a million votes including mine (I just couldn't pull the lever for that worm Clinton a second time), Harry Browne of the Libertarian Party got about a half-million votes, and Earl F. Dodge of the Prohibition Party got 1,298 votes.
See http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/summ.htm for exact figures.
Yours WDK - WKiernan@concentric.net
Didn't you read last Friday's /. interview with Gore's webmaster? According to one of the questions, algore2000 began its life all-Microsoft. It was converted to Linux as a cost saving measure at the same time they were moving their campaign headquarters, also to save costs. He went into some detail about how the ASPs were moved to PHP.
It's probably fair to say that some of this cruft is an artifact of platform conversion, some due to the original composition software, and of course, the author. But they did solicit feedback. Have you sent any?
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
(Score: 4)?!?!
I've heard of high karma, but really this goes too far.
This is the second time, at least, that I've seen this user get a default score of +4.
What gives, rob, the crew? Is this a bug, or a "feature" for Kit Cosper?
Just curious...
-ed fisher.
this
Bush lays his use of Front Page out there and says, so what? -- and that who-cares attitude is also reflected in his web page which sets a new standard for user-unfriendliness. Even on a SPARC with the entire page in cache, it still takes over 20 seconds for Netscape to show you anything but a blank white page.
I can't believe the guy has the gall to blame the suckiness of Netscape on the web site. Particularly Netscape under Unix, which is god-awful slow on every web site.
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Al Gore is the only president that really is a true winner for OPEN SOURCE. He uses Linux and PHP. The reason for him to use Raven instead of mod_ssl is because he doesn't want to be sued by RSA. He abides by the law
My vote to Al Gore! Al Gore's father has a big contribution in encouraging the development of the Internet. If you do your research you should know he passed several laws building the infrastructure for the Internet.
Looks like Harry Browne's page uses xhtml transitional - with all the lowercase tags. That would make him by far the best, as that's now the official w3c recommendation.
Incidentally, anyone know where a good comprehensive xhtml tutorial would be? Or a good xhtml WYSIWYG editor?
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grappler
Vidi, Vici, Veni
Check this link out:
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This is just too funny.
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www.nader.org also runs apache on linux. run ralph run!
NT 4.0 comes with IE 2. This version can't access www.microsoft.com. No alternate page, nothing. Just a message like "You don't have permission to list the virtual directory /". In order to download IE, the easiest thing to do is to get Netscape (any old one will do) then go back to the Microsoft website with Netscape, wade through the ActiveXisms and get an IE.
I'm no zealot. I use Linux/Netscape for most things, but I think IE 5 is one of the best graphical browsers for stability and speed on any platform. However, the fact that 2.0 can't access www.microsoft.com suggests some serious issues on both ends.
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"L'IT c'est moi!"
Shouldn't slashdot be a big enough tent to hold HTML bigots and HTML slackers? ;-)
Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen
The validated page is nothing but a frameset. The frames should be a clue that this guy and his staff are totally clueless about the Internet.
Speaking of frames, I was mailing each of the frame-using candidates to complain about that (and about McCain's use of a pop-up window), and I noticed Bradley's people went out of their way to avoid being contacted by users. No email address, and standard addresses like webmaster@ bounce.
"And though McCain may not be on MS, he does have some skeletons in the proverbial web-closet: " That's because he's a tele-com company whore!!!
There's currently a feature request in BugZilla regarding a page validation feature. This is designed to replace the old "JavaScript Error" popups with a general mechanism that includes HTML errors, etc. Basically, if you visit a tag soup site written by some clueless idiot or someone using Microsoft Frontpage, you'll see a message on one of the tool bars along the lines of "This page contains errors!" with an option to view a full list.
If you want to see this make it into the earliest possible version of Mozilla, view it at this location and click on "vote for this bug".
iCab, a great little alternative browser for Mac OS, already has a built in HTML validator. It displays a little happy or sad face depending on whether the HTML is valid, and face can be clicked for a list of errors. I haven't found a single web page that's actually fully compliment, with the exception of the pages on the iCab site. It's amazing how crappy the HTML on even large commercial sites is. There are several dozen errors on the Yahoo index page, for example.
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This space unintentionally left unblank.
It is worth noting that the Bush site is the only major canditate running his site on NT. It is also the only site that got defaced. weld@l0pht.com
Thus, smaller HTML files! :-)
cpeterso
Personally, I think that what OS and server software that the candidates are running is much more interesting than how good their HTML is.
Note: George W. Bush, Pat Buchanan, and this "Erik Thompson" are all running IIS on NT4.
Chris Hagar
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson
George W Bush's site crashed Netscape. Although it's not hard to do, he's obviously not too interested in votes from Linux users. We can't even look at his site!
I should think you're all going to vote for Duke (if you don't know, you don't read Doonsebury.) His site runs (at least according to NetCraft):
www.duke2000.com is running Apache/1.3.3 (Unix) (Red Hat/Linux) on Linux
Go duke!
"The romance of Silicon Valley was about money - excuse me, about changing the world, one million dollars at a time."
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Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
The code, IMHO is good clean code. The site has been kept current and up to date for the past few months, and the numbers for what matters to these guys are good: fundraising. Bradley's site has raised the second largest online contribution base (behind McCain's) and with the idea of selling campaign stuff like bumper stickers and signs before they give it out free in that area is good. Think about it. Resources are committed to Washington this week: you live in Florida and realy want a Bradley sign in your yard. Pay for the sign, help the candidate and keep those freebie where they are needed most: the site of this weeks primary. George W's site is Front Page, and it shows. Then again, he's only raised like $400,000 online. Whens the last time you saw a URL behind Junior during a press briefing or town hall meeting? McCain's Website PR is slick. He mentions the URL in every debate when Internet Taxes are brought up, and that stays in the sound bite. Gore's URL is splashed behind him some (like in NH durring his victory speech) but what Net Savy person gives the "father of the internet" the time of day? What will be interesting to see is what Hillary's site will be like, esp. in the biography section. BTW - if you wanna look at my code, go ahead. http://www.listen.to/9412 http://www.agfamonotype.com http://studio.agfamonotype.com (going thru redesign) Chris J. Popp Webmaster Agfa Monotype Corp.
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>Al Gore also invented the Internet, making all
>this possiable,
I've seen this so many times and I still don't believe anyone would be stupid enough to make this claim in this manner. So how about some facts... what were his exact words? In what context? Since Arpanet was moved into public space by polititions is this what he was talking about? (ex: "I was instrumental in making the internet what it is today.")
I don't believe he ever said that he invented the internet and I want some facts.
Anybody?
'Intellectual Properties' are uncontrollable in the wild. To base an economy on them is just stupid.
Some serious problems with Rev. Bob HTML:
Rev. Bob is a big hypocrite, and slashdot shouldn't have lowered itself to publishing a story about it.
-- Abigail
[Anonymous, because I'm tired of hate mail. :(]
"yeah, right, like he wrote it"
He just might have. Al Gore actually knows how to use a computer; in 1982 he arranged computer training for the House. And he was on the right committee to have funded the creation of the NSFnet, which was the start of the civilian internet; the details are buried in committee minutes which I don't want to spend the time digging into. In the Senate he sponsored the Internet II bill--that I can find on-line.
I think Gore's a real honest-to-god nerd. He has difficulty in public speaking and an interest in technical matters; he seems to be one of the few politicians who actually understands science, and has concerned himself with scientific issues throughout his political career.
It's kind of a shame that his comments about the internet got spun so badly. But then, many nerds I know don't like other nerds very much. :(
Man, if the geek vote is entirely based on the internet and shit like DeCSS, i'm moving to the Netherlands!!
-FluX
if you reply to this with, "no...it's also about open source" then i'm puting a contract out on your head.
-FluX
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"It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -David Hume
Hi all,
We released our report on the candidates' sites on December 9. The Associated Press picked it up, but also not Slashdot! We updated it a month later.
For a more comprehensive accessibility report than Dad's, check here: http://orbitaccess.com/presidential/
Dennis
Forbes withdrew just a few days ago according to NPR.
"Reactionaries must be deprived of the right to voice their opinions; only the people have that right." - Mao
It was probably because I didn't see that the NZ First party had their server hosted in Australia.
He never actucally said he invented the Internet, he was a strong player in Washington pushing and advocating the Internet and he made claims of his work in this area helped (in some way) the Internet to grow.
He never claimed the entire thing, but a small part (especailly in schools)that he had some part of this (more than most suits in Washington) and this is what he claimed. Some people took the way he "worded" it wrong and over time it morphed into this urban legend of sorts where he said he invented it (not true).
Like if some suit in Washington says "I enjoy my backpain medicine, it helps me sleep at night" over time it would be morph by hear say to "Senator so-so dopes up on morph, he got addicted in WW II when he broken his spinal colum"
The American public hears what they want to hear, and when there is nothing intersting to hear they change it a little to make it more intersting...
Al Gore never claimed that, but it has be like a urban legend going around America (almost like a joke). The above statement I was making in the earlier post wasn't serious, it was a joke, it was intented as a humorous comment.
"`Ford, you're turning into a penguin. Stop it.'" -THHGTTG
Peer review doesn't work when people get self-conscious about errors in their own work. If the list of people who could participate in open source projects were limited to those who had never written a logic error, or misplaced a semi-colon, or otherwise erred themselves, there wouldn't be open source software.
So it is with webs - the central fact is that help is better than no help, and heads>=2 is always better than heads<=1.
Whether or not Rev. Bob admits his own fallibilities as a HTML jockey is less important than whether or not he is right about his criticisms. That he does in fact admit that he's not perfect (either) is good enough for most serious web designers.
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The antidote to bad speech is not censorship, but more speech.