While important, neither of those teach deep thinking, and alternative outcomes. And, Chess teaches algorithms and how t apply them. Granted they are called maneuvers.
ProTip: Don't grab a random quote from wikipedia. I have a copy of it right here, and he says(Sir Friderick) :..." the mean is more commendable then the excellence." Meaning one should learn it, but to be the best he views it is the waste of time of the local courtiers. It based on observation of the Sapinish courtiers. Later he goes on and talking about game besides chess(chestes) are there just for the common person to marvel at.
You really should try to understand what the fuck you are quoting from,, you look like an idiot.
You think teaching chess is punishment? You are seriously stupid. Kids grab onto chess at a really early age. Not all of them will continue, but they enjoy the basic learning, and it's a cheap, and easy way to each them how to think.
" I can't remember playing a single game of chess. " You're loss. It teach better long term straevy, tactice then any game you mentioned., and it has a way to progress, should you choose, in a measurable way. I've play all the game listed. Nothing is as pure for reasoning and strategy then chess.
"highschool geek back when the term meant something." ah, scotsman fallacy coupled with ignorance, well done. Chess also teaches taking pride in thinking deeply. Based on you post, you could of used a few games of chess.
You are essentially saying "I've never played chess seriously, therefor it's not as good as these other game I played". Stupid.
Since you seem to value this sort of thing I"m going to say it seen thought its not actually data: I've been playing strategy games since 1972, and I still do. A few times a year me and about 14 friends rent a house and play games for 4 days. I played chess in school pretty seriously, for a while. did well, but I never liked competing seriously as a child.
Because chess is cheaper? more easily accessible? doesn't encourage bulling? create a civilized event? Are we seriously at a point where on a nerd site, chess is being compared to hockey? WTF, has the world gone mad? Hockey has all the worse elements of society in it, Chess has all the best.
" Why spend time learning to play chess when I can write a program that will beat most humans? " To develop thinking skills. Planning, changing, thinking many steps ahead.
Everything you learn from chess would make you a better computer programmer.
Also, I doubt you can right an algorithm that will beat most mediocre chess players. Try it some time.
Yes, you said most humans. If you literally meant most humans, well then duh. Most human don't know how to play. "Even a novice programmer could create a very strong chess AI using information that's publicly available." ah, you are a C&P programmer. Great. Like we need more of those.
"but it's largely a solved problem now, " I don't think you know what that means, becasue it is not largely solved. Checkers is largely solved.. Of course what does largely solved mean? When speaking of an algorithm, either it's solved not or it's not.
YOu mean when an issue came to light the immediately started working on it to see that it's fixed?
Yes, that is government system at work,
Why do idiots like you thing privatized health care doesn't have incidents? oh right, because private companies can hush it up where as government entities have to be far more open.
Had this been private company, do you think you would have heard of it?
"that the huge explosion in Tunguska back in 1908 was caused by Tesla trying to build a time machine. you're an idiot. In fact, that so idiotic I think it rippled back in time and cause bigfoot's head to explode and THAT'S what caused Tunguska. That is just a plausible as your statement.
There used to be a saying the all Jr.s Senator were told: "If you can't take their money, drink their liquor, fuck their women and still vote against them, you don't belong in politics."
You could have just said "I'm, a pretensions audiophile!'* Unless you have a high end speaker and map system, yes on board IS good enough. Also, I high end system needs a game that uses it as well.
Lowered the bar. Intelligent people know that progress is made with many small steps. So the lowered the bar to see if it could pass. Next time the bar will be raised a little more. You'll never have a person run a 6 minute mile if you don't have measurable competitions to motivate runners.
No, cleverbot did not do a better job and would have done worse on this test.
The test has real, applicable and logical reason for the way the measured it.
You seem to be comparing the actual test to what the media claims it was, and then blaming the test for not being what the media misrepresented. You're right about the media, but the media is always wrong about science.
It's actual happened a lot, it's called 'emergent behavior'. The paper is old, poorly thought out, and written by people who want other people to think that are smart, but aren't actually smart enough to do science, you know: philosophers.
remember kids: philosophers are to science what homeopaths are to medicine.
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.except everyone understands that a "high fashion counterfeit" is usually of inferior quality to the original.
except that's not true.
It varies from instance to instance.
If you only use the computer for that, and only do it once, then you have a point. For all practical standpoints, you just sound like an idiot.
to answer you question: 2 a week would break even.
"like algorithms or biology"
While important, neither of those teach deep thinking, and alternative outcomes.
And, Chess teaches algorithms and how t apply them. Granted they are called maneuvers.
HAHA, hoisted by your own petard.
ProTip: Don't grab a random quote from wikipedia. ..." the mean is more commendable then the excellence."
I have a copy of it right here, and he says(Sir Friderick) :
Meaning one should learn it, but to be the best he views it is the waste of time of the local courtiers. It based on observation of the Sapinish courtiers.
Later he goes on and talking about game besides chess(chestes) are there just for the common person to marvel at.
You really should try to understand what the fuck you are quoting from,, you look like an idiot.
You think teaching chess is punishment?
You are seriously stupid. Kids grab onto chess at a really early age. Not all of them will continue, but they enjoy the basic learning, and it's a cheap, and easy way to each them how to think.
" I can't remember playing a single game of chess. "
You're loss. It teach better long term straevy, tactice then any game you mentioned., and it has a way to progress, should you choose, in a measurable way.
I've play all the game listed. Nothing is as pure for reasoning and strategy then chess.
"highschool geek back when the term meant something."
ah, scotsman fallacy coupled with ignorance, well done. Chess also teaches taking pride in thinking deeply. Based on you post, you could of used a few games of chess.
You are essentially saying "I've never played chess seriously, therefor it's not as good as these other game I played".
Stupid.
Since you seem to value this sort of thing I"m going to say it seen thought its not actually data:
I've been playing strategy games since 1972, and I still do. A few times a year me and about 14 friends rent a house and play games for 4 days.
I played chess in school pretty seriously, for a while. did well, but I never liked competing seriously as a child.
Because chess is cheaper? more easily accessible? doesn't encourage bulling? create a civilized event?
Are we seriously at a point where on a nerd site, chess is being compared to hockey?
WTF, has the world gone mad?
Hockey has all the worse elements of society in it, Chess has all the best.
" Why spend time learning to play chess when I can write a program that will beat most humans? "
To develop thinking skills. Planning, changing, thinking many steps ahead.
Everything you learn from chess would make you a better computer programmer.
Also, I doubt you can right an algorithm that will beat most mediocre chess players. Try it some time.
Yes, you said most humans. If you literally meant most humans, well then duh. Most human don't know how to play.
"Even a novice programmer could create a very strong chess AI using information that's publicly available."
ah, you are a C&P programmer. Great. Like we need more of those.
"but it's largely a solved problem now, "
I don't think you know what that means, becasue it is not largely solved. Checkers is largely solved..
Of course what does largely solved mean? When speaking of an algorithm, either it's solved not or it's not.
YOu mean when an issue came to light the immediately started working on it to see that it's fixed?
Yes, that is government system at work,
Why do idiots like you thing privatized health care doesn't have incidents? oh right, because private companies can hush it up where as government entities have to be far more open.
Had this been private company, do you think you would have heard of it?
For what?
" Now you're just sounding like an undiscerning fanboy instead of a thoughtful admirer."
Just like Inman.
"that the huge explosion in Tunguska back in 1908 was caused by Tesla trying to build a time machine.
you're an idiot. In fact, that so idiotic I think it rippled back in time and cause bigfoot's head to explode and THAT'S what caused Tunguska. That is just a plausible as your statement.
Lots?
There used to be a saying the all Jr.s Senator were told:
"If you can't take their money, drink their liquor, fuck their women and still vote against them, you don't belong in politics."
I don't think he cares.
https://www.opensecrets.org/po...
That would have my vote.
OTOH, I think they might be better in the house.
I use a 12.4 channel Obecalp System with moon rock cables!
If you want to be serious with gaming, you need clear speakers. Have a dedicated channel to the spy cloaking sound is awesome.
You could have just said "I'm, a pretensions audiophile!'*
Unless you have a high end speaker and map system, yes on board IS good enough.
Also, I high end system needs a game that uses it as well.
*I know, it's redundant.
On one hand a FACT based science museum for Tesla is cool. OTOH Inman a rude asshat when you point out some of what he says about Tesla is false.
Turing would consider many of today's systems AI.
Rigged isn't the correct word here.
Lowered the bar. Intelligent people know that progress is made with many small steps. So the lowered the bar to see if it could pass.
Next time the bar will be raised a little more.
You'll never have a person run a 6 minute mile if you don't have measurable competitions to motivate runners.
No, cleverbot did not do a better job and would have done worse on this test.
The test has real, applicable and logical reason for the way the measured it.
You seem to be comparing the actual test to what the media claims it was, and then blaming the test for not being what the media misrepresented.
You're right about the media, but the media is always wrong about science.
Peopel who aren't aware they are in a test can easily be fooled by a computer today.
Did you know she was going to go to school for computer science? Because if you know that, the joke is even funnier.
Tragically, she was in an accident and then ended up with an abuses person who forced her to do porn.
I am a fan of putting a tilda after non serious comment, but it was a pretty obvious joke.
It's actual happened a lot, it's called 'emergent behavior'. The paper is old, poorly thought out, and written by people who want other people to think that are smart, but aren't actually smart enough to do science, you know: philosophers.
remember kids: philosophers are to science what homeopaths are to medicine.
A computer infected with a work and a virus led to them combining into a new program.
It was better and unique.