Re:You brainless parrott . . . C has lasted, idiot
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You're full of vitriol aren't you? Once you lose your virginity this will all pass.
Think about the fact that C is extremely close to perl in many ways - both are paradigm-agnostic, and both implement a struct/pointer model as the highest abstraction for user types. Perl's object model is completely is nothing more than references and packages, which is completely analogous to the C model, only at a slightly higher level.
C and Perl have nothing to do with Java in any way that is meaningful. Java is a single paradigm language.
Ooops - precompiler error - you had no valid points.
Re:A point ignored is a point conceded.
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So let's discuss the points of his that you ignored, like for example the fact that Perl zealots like you are mindless flamers
I don't respond to meaningless trolls. Its called "taking the high ground".
With the exception of the loathsome and brainless Tom Christiansen ... This is because it is a worthless language ... you're a mindless moron yammering
Nice trolls. Actually, they aren't really imaginative or even amusing.
If I don't like "Gosling and Co." dictating style, then is it ok for ANSI to do it?
They might be slow as molasses, but they certainly have made more mature design decisions than you-know-who.
By the way, how is that ANSI-standard Perl coming?
The fact that it is open source obviates the need for an ANSI standard - the reference is the implementation, which is open, and your ability to deviate from this reference is clearly spelled out in the Artistic license.
Re:Perl is obsolete, among other things
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you will realise that theoretically sound languages such as Modula-3 and Smalltalk are the wave of the future.
M3's only claim to fame is to be part of the FreeBSD base install. Smalltalk? It had its day in the sun, and now its gone. You can "squeak" about is supposed resugence all you want (pun intended), but the truth of the matter is that its all but disappeared from the radar.
LISP is the only "theorectically clean" language to survive over the long haul, and even it is considered fringe thesedays. Bottom line - languages that make you think like a computer don't stand the test of time.
but what I find more worrying is the underlying agenda of moral relativism implicit in...more blah blah blah intellectual masturbation.
Its fun to refute garbage like this
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Perl reflects this attitude: it encourages lax syntax
"There's more than one way to do it" should not be confused with "lax" in the negative sense - to most of us who scoff at "bondage" languages like Java, this flexibility is key.
which in turn encourages programmers to use poor algorithims and data structures.
Uh-huh. Besides the fact that sorting and hashes are built-in and their implementations obscured?
It is in fact impossible to write structured code in Perl
Don't project your coding inadequacies onto us. If you'd prefer Gosling and Co. to dictate style to you, enjoy. Some of us like freedom.
Quite frankly, the best solution to the problem of Perl (and worse, Perl progammers) is to simply ban it
blah blah blah...and off into troll country you go. Thanks for playing.
Re:What is an "IT Professional"? Answer this first
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I think your point illustrate a noble goal, but is slightly naive.
Senior people in their fields rarely bother learning about distinct aspects of IT outside their own domain. The lead database architect at Oracle most liklely knows nothing of VHDL nor does he/she need or want to. The lead chip designer at Intel likely knows little about implementing terabyte databases.
Because these people are unlikely to cross over into each other's fields, they do not represent one labor market.
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Is there a shortage of VHDL folks? Web programmers? Sys admins? Support workers? C Programmers? Database designers? Database Admins?
The point is, people in these fields rarely cross over to other fields. You need to tell me about shortages in these various fields. If you tell me there is no shortage of Cobol programmers, thats meaningless to me.
This article, like all articles on IT workers, lumps us all into one group.
Authors of these articles need to break down the market to the same degree we do. That means people who work on databases aren't likely to become VHDL designiers, and operating system folks aren't going to become games programmers.
In web programming, the stats may not reflect a shortage, but we can't fill our recs here at work even by half (and we're in the heart of Santa Clara, with good stock options), so my anecdotal evidence doesn't jive with the author's claims.
I have tried stints of up to one week of working from home through a DSL line.
While I was able to get a great deal of work done, there was the feeling that things were happening in the office that I wasn't party to. The social nuances of having a physical presence should not be underestimated. Its almost impossible to exert a meaningful influence over serious decisions remotely. That said, if you really want to "climb" in your organization, a physical presence at work is probably mandatory. If you're a contractor or simply don't care that much about advancement, telecommuting rocks.
So, for example, I could randomly burn a bunch of transistors onto a wafer of silicon and have a better CPU than the computer I'm writing this on
You are presuming that the layout of the brain is a random collection of neurons, when we know conclusively that this is not true. We know different parts of the brain are responsible for different aspects of cognition.
Thanks dude - stuff like this really goes over well with luddite lawmakers already looking for a reason to make you put your life history on government servers.
Crap like this slowly but surely kills slashdot more every day. Thanks!
At its peak in the 1920's, there were over three hundred automobile manufacturers. Over time, the market shook out, leaving a few consolidated players.
This market is no different, and its a healthy process.
As it stands, AOL and Yahoo are flush with cash, hence they stand poised to be the consolidators, not the consolidatees.
Firstly, tech workers are, by a considerable morgin, the best compensated group of workers in the market right now. If you're a tech worker in Silicon Valley, you most likely make more than your accoutant and lawyer.
I have zero pity for you if you can't negotiate a salary to your advantage. There's a word for your kind - its not geek - its chump.
Don't blame society because you took the first number they put on the table.
It doesn't even sound like you enjoy programming. If this is the case - quit. When you're sitting on your deathbed, you're going to regret not taking charge of your life.
The mozilla builds I have been playing with are still nowhere near stable enough to approach a full release, even if the code is labelled "beta". You'd think after the v 4 debacle of point releases, Netscape would be a little more cautious about releases.
Unless Mozilla improves vastly in a month, expect Netscape 6 to get trashed by the press.
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Think about the fact that C is extremely close to perl in many ways - both are paradigm-agnostic, and both implement a struct/pointer model as the highest abstraction for user types. Perl's object model is completely is nothing more than references and packages, which is completely analogous to the C model, only at a slightly higher level.
C and Perl have nothing to do with Java in any way that is meaningful. Java is a single paradigm language.
Uh-huh. I can keep trolling as long as you can.
Don't flatter yourself - this troll war isn't hurting anyone's pride, least of which mine.
Ooops - precompiler error - you had no valid points.
I don't respond to meaningless trolls. Its called "taking the high ground".
With the exception of the loathsome and brainless Tom Christiansen
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This is because it is a worthless language
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you're a mindless moron yammering
Nice trolls. Actually, they aren't really imaginative or even amusing.
No, perl's license and source are open. Java's source and license are not.
Given the drivel in the rest of your post, its amusing how you rant about "the downfall of slashdot".
C's flexibility comes from the fact that its so darn small. You're free to implement C in any number of paradigms you see fit, from functional to OO.
They might be slow as molasses, but they certainly have made more mature design decisions than you-know-who.
By the way, how is that ANSI-standard Perl coming?
The fact that it is open source obviates the need for an ANSI standard - the reference is the implementation, which is open, and your ability to deviate from this reference is clearly spelled out in the Artistic license.
M3's only claim to fame is to be part of the FreeBSD base install. Smalltalk? It had its day in the sun, and now its gone. You can "squeak" about is supposed resugence all you want (pun intended), but the truth of the matter is that its all but disappeared from the radar.
LISP is the only "theorectically clean" language to survive over the long haul, and even it is considered fringe thesedays. Bottom line - languages that make you think like a computer don't stand the test of time.
but what I find more worrying is the underlying agenda of moral relativism implicit in...more blah blah blah intellectual masturbation.
"There's more than one way to do it" should not be confused with "lax" in the negative sense - to most of us who scoff at "bondage" languages like Java, this flexibility is key.
which in turn encourages programmers to use poor algorithims and data structures.
Uh-huh. Besides the fact that sorting and hashes are built-in and their implementations obscured?
It is in fact impossible to write structured code in Perl
Don't project your coding inadequacies onto us. If you'd prefer Gosling and Co. to dictate style to you, enjoy. Some of us like freedom.
Quite frankly, the best solution to the problem of Perl (and worse, Perl progammers) is to simply ban it
blah blah blah...and off into troll country you go. Thanks for playing.
Senior people in their fields rarely bother learning about distinct aspects of IT outside their own domain. The lead database architect at Oracle most liklely knows nothing of VHDL nor does he/she need or want to. The lead chip designer at Intel likely knows little about implementing terabyte databases.
Because these people are unlikely to cross over into each other's fields, they do not represent one labor market.
The point is, people in these fields rarely cross over to other fields. You need to tell me about shortages in these various fields. If you tell me there is no shortage of Cobol programmers, thats meaningless to me.
Authors of these articles need to break down the market to the same degree we do. That means people who work on databases aren't likely to become VHDL designiers, and operating system folks aren't going to become games programmers.
In web programming, the stats may not reflect a shortage, but we can't fill our recs here at work even by half (and we're in the heart of Santa Clara, with good stock options), so my anecdotal evidence doesn't jive with the author's claims.
While I was able to get a great deal of work done, there was the feeling that things were happening in the office that I wasn't party to. The social nuances of having a physical presence should not be underestimated. Its almost impossible to exert a meaningful influence over serious decisions remotely. That said, if you really want to "climb" in your organization, a physical presence at work is probably mandatory. If you're a contractor or simply don't care that much about advancement, telecommuting rocks.
You are presuming that the layout of the brain is a random collection of neurons, when we know conclusively that this is not true. We know different parts of the brain are responsible for different aspects of cognition.
Yet these mutations are as often detrimental as they are beneficial, and they often don't translate into any useful cognitive functions.
How about the human's brain's ability to remap itself to learn new skills, to form abstractions
Thats "software". The number and capabilities of individual neurons isn't changing through these processes.
One transistor == one neuron. Its a fairly common assumption that is most likely valid.
Crap like this slowly but surely kills slashdot more every day. Thanks!
After that, presuming Moore's law holds, the human brain falls radically behind in just a few years following.
This market is no different, and its a healthy process.
As it stands, AOL and Yahoo are flush with cash, hence they stand poised to be the consolidators, not the consolidatees.
I have zero pity for you if you can't negotiate a salary to your advantage. There's a word for your kind - its not geek - its chump.
Don't blame society because you took the first number they put on the table.
It doesn't even sound like you enjoy programming. If this is the case - quit. When you're sitting on your deathbed, you're going to regret not taking charge of your life.
You're smoking crack again. Never have I claimed to be an MS employee - why would I?
Get your facts straight.
Because I stick to my guns?
My opinions have been consistent thourghout my posts -
How on earth does that make me a troll?
Being impartial has little to do with trolling.
Unless Mozilla improves vastly in a month, expect Netscape 6 to get trashed by the press.