When we speak of government and id issuance, should we talk about the incredible ease of hacking the RFID chips in the new passports? The push for national ID cards?
Security online is simply a fallacy. DVDJon cracked 'the uncrackable' and just posted it online and now how many DVD ripper programs are there? They even make the DVD players now so they will play burned discs. The idea that they can some how eliminate intrusions in to SSL or prevent media copying with DRM is absurd. And then trying to heap creating this movable Potemkin Village on to the government's plate just means that they will lose focus on what they are really supposed to be doing.
Plus the closer they get to this Internet- the worse it gets.
Is 2009 going to finally be the end of all bogus customer facing 'care' that people (not just MS) pass off good?
Like the poor saps on the phone who are given a script and parrot out "First, sir let me apologize...". I always ask if they were responsible in some way directly for my 'issue'. Obviously they never are and I give back a "You didn't do it, so please don't apologize for it. If you want to give me to someone that actually made such and such a rule or designed the Xbox 360 to overheat and have them apologize to me- then we've go something. Till then tell your supervisor I am insulted by you being forced to apologize."
Because I am lazy- you know if I can dual boot the PS3? Then what I might do is install MythTV and XBMC... jitterbugging with excitement... thanks you very much.
I have a Halo 2 disc that would completely disagree with you. That drive door left a nice circular grove in that disc rendering it unplayable. Orientation has always been vertical. That and the RROD adventure, twice, led me to the slot loading pannini maker PS3. Now if someone could just write a decent Media Center hack for it like the old XBOX...
And yes, biased toward familiarity and experience. But how would one make a decision without that kind bias?
Or is this too existential for this thread?
I understand bias implies a lack of objectivity- but at this stage with both technologies being (fundamentally) mature and capable of doing (nearly) the same thing, shouldn't I have an judgement based on previous interaction?
No sarcasm intended here- I am really happy to see these things get discussed intelligently. Maye some day we will get a fully platform independent, robust development language... thanks to all for a good talk.
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"And I've had wonderful, painless experiences with both technologies in equal measure with the miserable, agonizing experiences."
Agreed. Completely. Perhaps I am just at a stage of being 'over' Java after its changing so many times at really fundamental levels.
I like that there is only VS. I like that there is only IIS and only one (fundamental).NET config. I like easy delegates...
If I am biased, it's toward easy as opposed to 'for' M$.
That's where I am now. Who is to say that will not change when the Evil Empire decides that Dictionaries are being deprecated and forget to tell anyone?
And the price thing- it is much easier to write hideous Java code and put it on a poorly config-ed Tomcat than that is to do with.NET. That turns in to a price the user has to pay. And sometimes, especially with free(beer) software, the tools can be a bit busted. Tomcat/Apache is definitely a welcome exception to that.
But in the end, realistically, yes, both can lead to bad stuff. Again, I agree with you.
The stupid file types and not mentioning Java in the same sentence made me giggle- then appending the code being spread out over 'who knows where' made me erupt in cacophony of coffee spits and deep satisfaction(yes I emanate loud noises when deeply satisfied) that I gave up on Java the second time around for swing.
WebSphere is a joy too isn't it?
There is always only one place to look for code in C#/.NET.
I don't think I missed that at all. I'd say if I had to choose an aspect of.NET that was it's weakest it would not be that. If I do a web app all of the worry about platform disappears- for the consumer.
My consumer should not pay the price of having to consume Java, my coders should not have to pay the price of having to write for it and my sysadmins should not have to pay the price of having to maintain it. I would make the argument that the 'peace of mind' is specifically for me- the developer.
And yes, Mono (works nicely, yes) is going to be a big nullifier in the development platform argument. So now(sooner) you have a strongly typed, modern language that can do what is needed very well, and yes, one way.
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You know, after having had a go at scripting languages (Ruby, Python, PHP) etc. and trying to weed through the morass of Java libraries and excessively complicated deployment and Flex being a fscking joke-.Net/C# comes out the winner.
It's tight, it's typed and cake to deploy. LINQ has potential for low memory use(fast) queries and Sliverlight seems to be much better than AS3/Flash because you get the cheat of direct access to WPF.
eh. Not much of a zealot for any tech here- I would use Smalltalk if it would get the job done. Just a review and some thoughts.
They ran tests on the machines and were able to hack them while standing in the booth to vote. With that hack it was imperceptible to the logs that anything was amiss... the safeguards were circumvented.
"The California reports said the scientists, acting at the stateâ(TM)s request, had hacked into systems from three of the four largest companies in the business: Diebold Election Systems, Hart InterCivic and Sequoia Voting Systems.
Thousands of their machines in varying setups are in use.
The reports said the investigators had created situations for each system âoein which these weaknesses could be exploited to affect the correct recording, reporting and tallying of votes.â
Paper, pencil. Hand count. Done. quis custodiet ipsos custodes
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When we speak of government and id issuance, should we talk about the incredible ease of hacking the RFID chips in the new passports? The push for national ID cards?
Security online is simply a fallacy. DVDJon cracked 'the uncrackable' and just posted it online and now how many DVD ripper programs are there? They even make the DVD players now so they will play burned discs. The idea that they can some how eliminate intrusions in to SSL or prevent media copying with DRM is absurd. And then trying to heap creating this movable Potemkin Village on to the government's plate just means that they will lose focus on what they are really supposed to be doing.
Plus the closer they get to this Internet- the worse it gets.
"... may experience issues ..."
Is 2009 going to finally be the end of all bogus customer facing 'care' that people (not just MS) pass off good?
Like the poor saps on the phone who are given a script and parrot out "First, sir let me apologize...". I always ask if they were responsible in some way directly for my 'issue'. Obviously they never are and I give back a "You didn't do it, so please don't apologize for it. If you want to give me to someone that actually made such and such a rule or designed the Xbox 360 to overheat and have them apologize to me- then we've go something. Till then tell your supervisor I am insulted by you being forced to apologize."
Because I am lazy- you know if I can dual boot the PS3? Then what I might do is install MythTV and XBMC... jitterbugging with excitement... thanks you very much.
I have a Halo 2 disc that would completely disagree with you. That drive door left a nice circular grove in that disc rendering it unplayable. Orientation has always been vertical. That and the RROD adventure, twice, led me to the slot loading pannini maker PS3. Now if someone could just write a decent Media Center hack for it like the old XBOX...
Going forward, if we could go ahead and disambiguate by not using the word solution incorrectly, that'd be great.
Thaanks.
And, yeah, we're gonna need you to go ahead and come in on Sunday too.
Perhaps the person preparing the pudding should wash their hands.
Ha. Temper tantrums. Yes.
And yes, biased toward familiarity and experience. But how would one make a decision without that kind bias?
Or is this too existential for this thread?
I understand bias implies a lack of objectivity- but at this stage with both technologies being (fundamentally) mature and capable of doing (nearly) the same thing, shouldn't I have an judgement based on previous interaction?
This is too existential for this thread.
No sarcasm intended here- I am really happy to see these things get discussed intelligently. Maye some day we will get a fully platform independent, robust development language... thanks to all for a good talk.
"And I've had wonderful, painless experiences with both technologies in equal measure with the miserable, agonizing experiences."
Agreed. Completely. Perhaps I am just at a stage of being 'over' Java after its changing so many times at really fundamental levels.
I like that there is only VS. I like that there is only IIS and only one (fundamental) .NET config. I like easy delegates...
If I am biased, it's toward easy as opposed to 'for' M$.
That's where I am now. Who is to say that will not change when the Evil Empire decides that Dictionaries are being deprecated and forget to tell anyone?
And the price thing- it is much easier to write hideous Java code and put it on a poorly config-ed Tomcat than that is to do with .NET. That turns in to a price the user has to pay. And sometimes, especially with free(beer) software, the tools can be a bit busted. Tomcat/Apache is definitely a welcome exception to that.
But in the end, realistically, yes, both can lead to bad stuff. Again, I agree with you.
The stupid file types and not mentioning Java in the same sentence made me giggle- then appending the code being spread out over 'who knows where' made me erupt in cacophony of coffee spits and deep satisfaction(yes I emanate loud noises when deeply satisfied) that I gave up on Java the second time around for swing.
WebSphere is a joy too isn't it?
There is always only one place to look for code in C#/.NET.
I highly recommend:
http://www.charlespetzold.com/dotnet/
I don't think I missed that at all. I'd say if I had to choose an aspect of .NET that was it's weakest it would not be that. If I do a web app all of the worry about platform disappears- for the consumer.
My consumer should not pay the price of having to consume Java, my coders should not have to pay the price of having to write for it and my sysadmins should not have to pay the price of having to maintain it. I would make the argument that the 'peace of mind' is specifically for me- the developer.
And yes, Mono (works nicely, yes) is going to be a big nullifier in the development platform argument. So now(sooner) you have a strongly typed, modern language that can do what is needed very well, and yes, one way.
You know, after having had a go at scripting languages (Ruby, Python, PHP) etc. and trying to weed through the morass of Java libraries and excessively complicated deployment and Flex being a fscking joke- .Net/C# comes out the winner.
It's tight, it's typed and cake to deploy. LINQ has potential for low memory use(fast) queries and Sliverlight seems to be much better than AS3/Flash because you get the cheat of direct access to WPF.
eh. Not much of a zealot for any tech here- I would use Smalltalk if it would get the job done. Just a review and some thoughts.
Was Stevens the Al Gore of the deep space magento-net?
They ran tests on the machines and were able to hack them while standing in the booth to vote. With that hack it was imperceptible to the logs that anything was amiss... the safeguards were circumvented.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/28/us/28vote.html
"The California reports said the scientists, acting at the stateâ(TM)s request, had hacked into systems from three of the four largest companies in the business: Diebold Election Systems, Hart InterCivic and Sequoia Voting Systems.
Thousands of their machines in varying setups are in use.
The reports said the investigators had created situations for each system âoein which these weaknesses could be exploited to affect the correct recording, reporting and tallying of votes.â
Paper, pencil. Hand count. Done.
quis custodiet ipsos custodes