When I got to OpenBSD, Nope.. No ISO. When I asked (in what I believe to be a polite manner) I was told basically to stick it that if I wanted a CD, I had to purchase it becuase creating an ISO would cause his sales on CD's to go to nothing (Really ? Tell this to RedHat, FreeBSD, NetBSD, etc.) Sorry, with opensource I try before I buy..
I doubt the problem was your level of "politeness". The problem was that you are about the ten-thousandth person to ask "Where's the ISO?" They don't provide ISOs. Even a cursory glance through the mailing list would determine that. It's probably in the FAQ.
The surest way to piss Theo (and a lot of other people) off is to ask the same question over and over again.
In short, before anybody complains "Theo was a dick to me!", ask yourself "Did I actually attempt to find the answer myself, or just waste other people's time reasking a FAQ?"
> Why was Kerberos not GPL'd? So that Kerberos may be included in any software without requiring that software to be GPL'd (virus effect).
Many people view the widespread dissemination of security software to be a *good* thing.
> Why did the dev team trust Microsoft?
They didn't. Not any more than they trust you or me. "Coding against Microsoft" wasn't an issue until recent years. As another example, Microsoft is perfectly free to incorporate the X11R6 code into Windows. They choose not to.
The BSD-style licenses just figure that good code weeds out bad code, and that helps everybody.
He has been successful at winning programmers as converts to the free software community. But he has also had success in garnering corporate support.
That's called "marketing". It consists of getting people to believe what you say. RMS chooses to conduct his business in hippie-chic rather than Armani, but it's still all about mindshare...
On a side note, I've always wished the mouse cursor could be controlled by arrow keys when a mouse isn't detected. I'd love it. Oh well, I'll just have to do it myself someday I guess.
Well, if you *really* want it, ye olde FVWM2 will let you bind mouse cursor movement to keys. You'll need to use a modifier key, or every other app will flip out, but those are just details...
Enjoy.
(holy crap, I just recommended someone use fvwm... what the hell am I smokin'?)
Well, it isn't splintered much more than "Trusted Solaris" is splintered from Solaris. In fact most commercial Unices ship a "trusted" version.
The reason this work isn't being done to an existing BSD release is that B1 security brings a lot of hassle that isn't appropriate for many (or most) sites.
The different BSDs exist for different goals, and until now B1 security hasn't been one of them.
This is a perfect place to fork, since if you need B1 security, you can't do without it. If you aren't sure you need it, you probably don't want it.
The HOWTO's aren't supplimentry anymore, they are *standard* documentation. Only when "standard" means often outdated, scattered across a thousand websites, and lacking real detail on anything but the common case.
OpenBSD docs used to be spotty, but they made a real effort to bring them up to speed, and keep them there.
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When I got to OpenBSD, Nope.. No ISO. When I asked (in what I believe to be a polite manner) I was told basically to stick it that if I wanted a CD, I had to purchase it becuase creating an ISO would cause his sales on CD's to go to nothing (Really ? Tell this to RedHat, FreeBSD, NetBSD, etc.) Sorry, with opensource I try before I buy..
I doubt the problem was your level of "politeness". The problem was that you are about the ten-thousandth person to ask "Where's the ISO?" They don't provide ISOs. Even a cursory glance through the mailing list would determine that. It's probably in the FAQ.
The surest way to piss Theo (and a lot of other people) off is to ask the same question over and over again.
In short, before anybody complains "Theo was a dick to me!", ask yourself "Did I actually attempt to find the answer myself, or just waste other people's time reasking a FAQ?"
> Why was Kerberos not GPL'd? So that Kerberos may be included in any software without requiring that software to be GPL'd (virus effect).
Many people view the widespread dissemination of security software to be a *good* thing.
> Why did the dev team trust Microsoft?
They didn't. Not any more than they trust you or me. "Coding against Microsoft" wasn't an issue until recent years. As another example, Microsoft is perfectly free to incorporate the X11R6 code into Windows. They choose not to.
The BSD-style licenses just figure that good code weeds out bad code, and that helps everybody.
When you care enough to steal the very best...
He has been successful at winning programmers as converts to the free software community. But he has also had success in garnering corporate support.
That's called "marketing". It consists of getting people to believe what you say. RMS chooses to conduct his business in hippie-chic rather than Armani, but it's still all about mindshare...
RMS even has his own catchy jingle...
Saying "information wants to be free" is like saying "density wants to pretty".
On a side note, I've always wished the mouse cursor could be controlled by arrow keys when a mouse isn't detected. I'd love it. Oh well, I'll just have to do it myself someday I guess.
Well, if you *really* want it, ye olde FVWM2 will let you bind mouse cursor movement to keys.
You'll need to use a modifier key, or every other app will flip out, but those are just details...
Enjoy.
(holy crap, I just recommended someone use fvwm... what the hell am I smokin'?)
You'll never see "Linux" there.
Security ratings are assigned based on the various components of the OS, and the kernel is just one of those.
You may see "Red Hat Trusted Linux 17.23" there, or [Free|Open|somenew]BSD, but not "Linux".
You could see "MumbleBSD x.x" listed because they each have a single distribution. If they felt like coughing up the dough for testing, that is...
Well, it isn't splintered much more than "Trusted Solaris" is splintered from Solaris. In fact most commercial Unices ship a "trusted" version.
The reason this work isn't being done to an existing BSD release is that B1 security brings a lot of hassle that isn't appropriate for many (or most) sites.
The different BSDs exist for different goals, and until now B1 security hasn't been one of them.
This is a perfect place to fork, since if you need B1 security, you can't do without it. If you aren't sure you need it, you probably don't want it.
Some moderator has a *great* sense of humor...
I don't feel like being informative, so I will just flame you.
Score: 2 (Informative)
Trolls have nothing on this moderator. I salute you..
Manual pages just aren't enough.
They can be, when they're good. For cases when they aren't the OpenBSD FAQ and the mailing list archive will solve nearly any problem.
And, they're all located at one place: http://www.openbsd.org
The HOWTO's aren't supplimentry anymore, they are *standard* documentation.
Only when "standard" means often outdated, scattered across a thousand websites, and lacking real detail on anything but the common case.
OpenBSD docs used to be spotty, but they made a real effort to bring them up to speed, and keep them there.
The Linux community has yet to make this effort.